Conspiracy Theory Cat Fights
On yesterday's broadcast radio host John Stadtmiller discusses the ongoing internal fights between members of the 9/11 "truth" movement, particularly Eric Hufschmidt (previously discussed here) who gets in a serious tizzy because he doesn't believe the movement is sufficiently anti-Zionist enough. He particularly is upset because the Loose Change boys get more press then he does.
Stadtmiller starts out with an impassioned defense of Karl Schwarz, in which among other things, he explains the reason that the headquarters for Patmos Nanotechnology is nothing more than Karl Schwarz's cell phone, because Karl is too busy running around Europe (apparently in Budapest) selling his technology. OK, apparently all those hundreds of researchers are living in Karl's phone too. He then goes on to defend Schwarz's A-3 Skywarrior theory, based on an article in some far right newspaper called the Idaho Observer.
Then when Hufschmidt comes on he accuses the Loose Change boys of being supported by some shadowy organization, possibly connected to 9/11 Commission member Lee Hamilton or international financier Karl Schwarz.
If you would like to listen yourself, the yelling between Eric and Dylan begins at the 50 minute mark of the first hour. Jason Bermas comes on at the 8 minute mark of the second hour.
At the 17th minute of the second hour Stadtmiller gets in a big argument with a caller named Walt over whether the Jews or the Vatican (or both) control the world, and whether Stalin was a Roman Catholic or a Jew (neither, he studied for the seminary at a Russian Orthodox institution). Wow, what an intellectual conversation.
Then Bermas and him start arguing over the religion of various powerful people, showing once again that the "researcher" of Loose Change buys into just about every theory out there:
Bermas: Let me just say this, I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Bush and his father, although figureheads and middlemen, you know, attend Bohemian Grove and do occult ritual, so that’s all I need to know that they are not Christian.Well at least he admits he can't prove the child sacrificing theory. Once again, if the 9/11 "truth" movement supposedly has the facts on their side, then why is it just about everyone connected to the movement is a lying paranoid nutjob? Is this all just an amazing coincidence?
Walt: You also have guys that are doing child sacrificing in the basement of the Vatican.
John: OK Walt, hold on here a second.
Bermas: Well, I can’t prove that.
posted by James B. @ 9:53 AM
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20 Comments:
If it weren't so pathetic, and their movement so dangerous to our society as a whole, I would be on the floor laughing at them.
I will say this. It is not hard to laugh at D.A. and the crowd. Their film is so heavily filled with misquotes, misfacts, speculation and conjecture, that I swear a politician had to write the script for them. If it weren't for the 14y old dialect used in the narration, I'd be convinced it was written by a group of publicists.
Someone needs to put together an independent video that puts forth the reems of real evidence in a clear and concise format, on video...
You are probably right, although most of the people in the debunking camp have very little to do with the Feds or any affiliation with the "Neo-Cons". I for one am a canadian, who actually voted NDP (our left wing party) in the last election.
As for why the 9/11 CTs act the way they do, I blame some of it on our "Sound Byte" generation. We are the children who grew up on MTV, Headline News, Jerry Springer, and other mind numbing and dumb downing tv shows. D.A. and the crowd are younger still. So they have grown up seeing "cherry picked" bits of info on all topics, and obviously think this is the way facts are to be told.
I feel sad for them actually. Even more, I feel sad for the victims of 9/11 who they will likely taunt, irritate, and annoy at the memorials this year.
You get people fighting over which fantasy is the best.
"My karma ran over your dogma".
Connect the dots
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/smoking%20gun
read definition of "Smoking Gun". I have, and Now I am off to read you rlist of 200 of them to see all this "indisputable proof" (see dictionary def.)you have.
Killtown doesn't understand Occam's Razor or smoking gun.
I have gone through about half of them. I went so quickly, because most them I have already read adequate debunking material on. Of those that were new to me, there were some strange co-incidences, but certainly none by themselves were anywhere close to a "smoking Gun". Even the "Lone Gunmen" pilot is a strange and unfortunate foreshadow. Unless, you are insinuating that hollywood is involved in the Grand Royal Conspiracy as well.
Or did the govt or the terrorists just simply borrow the idea and carry it out 5 months later (giving them just enough time to start planting the demolition explosives in the wtc by most experts calculations).
NORADs responsibilities prior to 9/11 were to detect and try to resolve any airbourne threat to N.America from outside its borders. Certainly, the drills they would run would include, among other things, using planes as weapons to crash into landmarks, or heavily populated ares (stadiums, skyscrapers).
I understand that if you "Cherry Pick" things out all the things that went on in the last few years, you can create a picture that looks like a govt plot, but the flaw is in the "Cherry Picking", and then placing these unrelated items together.
As well, many of the dots, contradict or fly in the face of other dots. You can't have dot "A" if makes Dot "H" impossible.
Even the "Lone Gunmen" pilot is a strange and unfortunate foreshadow.
When I was fiften (a year or so before 9/11) I wrote a short story (really a novella) that started with several planes being hijacked. A nuclear bomb was then detonated from a container in New York Harbor (the hijackings being a distraction). The president then used this to attack (which is attributed to al-Qaeda) several Middle Eastern countries, but it turned out the government perpetrated the entire thing. The main character figures it out and tries to alert the populace, but is eliminated at the end of the story.
So I guess I predicted 9/11 and Dylan Avery!
Not to mention in Stephen King's novel The Running Man, a man hijacks a plane and crashes it into a skyscraper.
Like, hey man, I mean, look at me, just a few years ago I was cleanin up at Friendly's, and look at who I am today:
Al Quaida's alibi!
Bin Ladin's Bitch!
I mean, try and top that!
Nothing to it
LoL!
"You don't have a shred of evidence!"
"That's not evidence!"
"Get some real evidence!"
You OCTs are an amusing bunch. If 9/11 ever gets out this it was an inside job, how will you guys be able to live with yourselves?
I tell you what, why don't you guys call for an independent investigation that is actually independent and actually investigates and if they don't find any evidence of an inside job, then you guys win.
Deal?
Oh and about the Lincoln/Kennedy stuff, what would the conspiracy in that be?
Those look more like just a long list of similarities to me.
You OCTs are an amusing bunch. If 9/11 ever gets out this it was an inside job, how will you guys be able to live with yourselves?
Followed by:
Those look more like just a long list of similarities to me.
Oh, and to answer this question:
If 9/11 ever gets out this it was an inside job, how will you guys be able to live with yourselves?
How can you go on living in a fantasy world with zero evidence? The sad thing is, you will continue to mock the dead because nothing will make you realize the truth.
And don't pay the "I won't ever believe?" card. I know nothing will ever get you to know what's real. You're a creationist, nothing more.
I don't think anyone here would disagree with an Independent investigation. The trouble is, all of the CTs will still be whining and annoyed, because a truely INDEPENDENT investigation, would have to consist of those who are without agenda or bias, so that would count out Jones, Jones, Avery, Bermas, Griffith, and vertually all of the "truth" movement, as they clearly have an agenda and bias.
Killtown, as all of us know (and I think even you, in your heart of hearts, know), a truly independant investigation would come to the same conclusion the government did.
Hey, didn't the first edition of Loose Change talk about pods and lionize the members of Flight 93?
What happened to all that?
In the version of "The Truth", D.A. and the boys have decided they didn't like the people of Flight 93 going down (shot down or otherwise), and the pod idea got laughed out by their own people, so...they CHANGED THE TRUTH.
Now, I love this, now the people from all four flights are placed on the same airplane, flight 93, and are wisked a way to beautiful Cleveland, where they are treated to a brief debriefing, and then are taken away somewhere, never to see their families or friends again...
And with respect to the "Connect The Dots List", If you are going to propose that 9/11 was an inside job, and the Government planned it, then you can't have points 116-135. Those points go on to propose the theory that the Government knew the TERRORISTS were going to commit 9/11, but chose to let it happen. Why would they be concerned about TERRORIST Plots related to 9/11, if they were orchestrating it anyway.
If you want to keep 116-135, then you will lose all the points that say the government PLANNED 9/11 itself.
This stuff is brilliant.
I like the way the "connect the dots" starts with the Unocal pipeline... notes that Unocal drops out... and then keeps going. As if to say "We went to all this trouble, were not going to stop claiming it as evidence just because the entire premise behind it disintegrated".
Yes, its the conspiracy that if anyone builds a pipeline in Afghanistan to anwhere, ever, that proves a conspiracy! Why? Because!
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