Wednesday, September 13, 2006

The Progressive Pans the Deniers

Always a pleasure to see liberals and leftists debunking the 9-11 Deniers:

I’m amazed at how many people give credence to these theories. Everyone’s an engineer. People who never even took one college science course can now hold forth at great length on how the buildings at the World Trade Center could not possibly have collapsed in the way they did and why the Pentagon could not have been struck by that American Airlines jet.

Problem is, some of the best engineers in the country have studied these questions and come up with perfectly logical, scientific explanations for what happened.


He brings up a good point that I haven't heard before:

First, Osama bin Laden has already claimed responsibility for the attack several times and boasted of the prowess of the suicide bombers who hijacked those planes. Why not take him at his word? And if bin Laden were working in cahoots with the Bush Administration, why was the President warned on August 6, 2001, in a Presidential daily briefing that Osama bin Laden was about to attack the United States? Wouldn’t that risk exposing the conspiracy?

21 Comments:

At 13 September, 2006 10:24, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

The Progressive is a great magazine and I am not at all suprised that they would come out against the Tin Foil Hatters.

Dylan and the Stooges are to the left what abortion clinic bombers are to the right.

 
At 13 September, 2006 10:55, Blogger CHF said...

Only the Bush regime would warn THEMSELVES of their OWN plan!

Rather illogical I'd say.

I guess this is just another one of those "let's make this thing waaaay more complaicated than needed" things.

 
At 13 September, 2006 15:23, Blogger default.xbe said...

Why not take him at his word?

OBL is only trustworthy when he says he was not involved in the attacks or that his kidneys are bad

 
At 13 September, 2006 15:27, Blogger Dog Town said...

Dylan and the Stooges are to the left what abortion clinic bombers are to the right.

They already have ALF and ELF damn!

 
At 13 September, 2006 15:34, Blogger PopPop said...

Osama's a patsy...obviously they are going to leak documents that clearly tell us all that he is going to do exactly what happened. Are you guys really that dense? Is that really over your heads?

It's kinda like the Israeli's that were arrested in NJ. Do you remember hearing about a phone call to 911 saying "There are some PALESTINIANS jumping around and celebrating" As if anyone there would know that they were Palestinians.

Do you guys know who those Israeli's were? They were Israeli Mossad - that moving van that they were in led to an empty warehouse in NJ - their company was a front for the Mossad. Their van had traces of explosives in it. Oh, and this was the same (fake)company that was hired by Securacom when the unprecendented WTC shutdown occurred the weeked before 9/11. You truthers at least know about the shutdown right?

They said these PALESTINIANS were heading for the Holland Tunnel, and then they actually went to the GWB, thinking they would get away...but FBI had all points bloacked that day...Those Israeli Mossad, the ones who blew up the towers, DID actually get arrested that day. They were detained for a few months, BUT the gov't arrested about 1000 Arabs over the next few months for various MINOR things, until our Mossad agents blended in nicely, when some very upper level DoD types eventually got them out and back to Israel.

But you guys continue making your jokes and believing that some dude in a cave and 19 Saudis were able to bring those towers down in 7-10 seconds. Oh yes, but the towers had isolated fires and SMOKED for 50 minutes...that must have done it.

You guys are so oblivious but you don't even know it. Even alot of these CTs like Dylan are completely oblivious - they can see the gov'ts official story is BS - but they really have no idea either. The media won't tell you a goddamned thing. Would it matter though? If I could prove what I'm saying, would it change your minds? Of course not...that's why nobody wants to talk about this stuff, nobody wants it on CNN...because you guys can't defend yourselves in a debate - all you can do is crack jokes.

Do you guys know about the forged Niger documents? Do you know Israel was spying on us? Do you guys know anything at all? Unfortunately not. America is the most blissfully ignorant country in the world.

 
At 13 September, 2006 16:48, Blogger Elmondohummus said...

He wasn't "some dude in a cave" at the time, genius. That was after the invasion of Afghanistan. Neither were the hijackers; most of them were getting or partially completed college educations at the time and were living in and used to the technology in the West.

Plus, why don't people believe some folks can buy airplane tickets, sneak box cutters on board, then threaten violence? I didn't think it took too much sophistication to do that.

And why do you think the Mossad blew up the towers? You have proof? Video? Or just more secondhand hearsay?

And what's this about the "government" and the "media" telling anyone anything? Who needs them to do it? The NIST report is viewable online. So's scads of other info; you just have to wade through the BS you conspiracy fantasists insist on spreading.

The questions you all ask are answered in the NIST reports, and in the PopMech book. And no, they haven't been debunked; they've been disagreed with, rather weakly to boot. Instead of criticising the NIST findings, maybe some of you all should actually read it instead of depending on secondary sources and faux experts.

 
At 13 September, 2006 16:54, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

The bigger question, Poppop, Is do I give a rats ass about that shaite?

TAM

 
At 13 September, 2006 17:30, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Yes, theres never been a good explanation for those Israelis celebrating on the roof top and all the Israeli "art students" who got into DEA facilities. It just went down the memory hole like the anthrax attacks.

Articles like this one from the Progressive are shallow arguments that amount to "Don't bother me." Why were the Bukharis initially fingered as suspects? Why were they ever in the mix at all? One of them was dead on 9/11/2001. Google Bukharis and 9/11 and ask why they would ever have been in the mix unless someone was collecting Arab identities.

 
At 13 September, 2006 18:03, Blogger CHF said...

Yes joan,

Israeli agents are gonna carry out an attack and then get on top of a van and dance.

Are you daft?

 
At 13 September, 2006 19:10, Blogger Alex said...


Israeli agents are gonna carry out an attack and then get on top of a van and dance.

Are you daft?


Heh. Tha's one of them "rhetorical questions", isn't it?

I guess the Mossad too are briliant and idiotic at the same time. And here I thought only the Bush admin got accused of that.

 
At 13 September, 2006 20:26, Blogger AbrashTX said...

JoanBasil: what the hell are you talking about? Has it ever occurred to you that you've been duped by anti-Semites like our drooling buddy Nesnyc?

http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf

I have no idea what the hell Bukharis are and it really doesn't matter. There is overwhelming historical data from a multitude of sources linking the al Qaeda hijackers to training camps in Afghanistan. One poorly sourced news story means zilch.

If you think Al Qaeda wasn't involved, make sure you let Juan Cole know, OK? He's gonna be pissed that he wasted time translated all their documents into English.

 
At 13 September, 2006 20:56, Blogger shawn said...

The Mossad, a group that tracked down and killed the organizers and financiers of the Munich Massacre (well at least the ones that didn't go running behind the Iron Curtain), orchestrated 9/11 then danced in plain view while filming the burning towers.

 
At 13 September, 2006 20:58, Blogger shawn said...

Juan Cole

Wow, he did something besides complain about Israel on his blog (and godDAMN what kind of asshole names his blog "Informed Comment")?

 
At 14 September, 2006 05:48, Blogger JoanBasil said...

No answer to why the Bukharis were ever in the mix of 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameer_Bukhari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Bukhari

 
At 14 September, 2006 08:29, Blogger Alex said...

I'm gonna call you red herring from now on. Red for short.

 
At 14 September, 2006 12:16, Blogger Thomas said...

If I could prove what I'm saying, would it change your minds?

Possibly. Alas, the problem is, that you can't prove what you are saying, which is why you are trying to disguise it through writing long-winded posts with antisemitic drivel.

I'd say back to YOUR cave. There, on the right side. The brown one.

 
At 14 September, 2006 23:49, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I find it ironic that Mohammed Atta himself would have been more capable of speaking about the cause of the WTC collapse than the Twufers, seeing that Atta went to college to be an architect.

 
At 15 September, 2006 16:07, Blogger beervolcano said...

If you believe Webster Tarpley, Bush was a hostage to the plot. While he was in the air in AF1, he was supposedly phoned and told that AF1 would be next and a nuclear war would be started with Russia if Bush didn't play along.

The only time I've ever seen OBL claiming responsibility was in the fake Osama tape where it clearly isn't Osama. Also, if OBL confessed to being involved in 9/11, why doesn't the FBI use this as evidence enough to list it on his Most Wanted poster? I've seen videos of OBL denying involvement, not confessing.

 
At 15 September, 2006 18:54, Blogger Alex said...

The only time I've ever seen OBL claiming responsibility was in the fake Osama tape where it clearly isn't Osama.

Stretch it verticaly.

 
At 15 September, 2006 20:07, Blogger shawn said...

I've seen videos of OBL denying involvement

And while he was doing that al-Qaeda building had pictures of the Nineteen hung up.

 
At 16 September, 2006 06:01, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I haven't heard it but Bin Laden's "denial" is probably more of a clarification that he didn't personally plan or order the attacks because that's not really how Al Qaeda works anyway.

 

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