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Looks like we're getting under Dylan's skin.
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If you click on "assinine websites" (sic) you'll come right here to Screw Loose Change.
Dylan says: If you guys really knew what went on behind the scenes 24-7, and if you actually took the time to meet us in person before drawing conclusions about us or our work, then your assinine websites and your "Viewer Guides" would drop off the radar pretty damn quick.
Funny thing, Dylan, but in the adult world your work is supposed to stand on its own.
Note as well that the Loosers have to close their comments because they can't handle the "Truth". We've kept our comments open despite the fact that a lot of our comments are from 9-11 conspiracists linking to the craziest stuff. Go over to the forums he says?
DOH!
I also note that Dylan has yet to acknowledge Bin Laden's statement yesterday. Hiding your head in the sand?
On the Screw Loose Change Nutbar-o-Meter, Dylan rings the bell:
posted by Pat @ 10:21 AM
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33 Comments:
Interesting recent analysis of Pentagon events from this French dude:
Pierre-Henri Bunel is a graduate of the Ecole Militaire de Saint-Cyr (the French officers’ academy) and a former artillery officer, whose expertise is recognized in the following fields: the effects of explosives on humans and buildings, the effects of anillery weapons on personnel and buildings, firefighting for specific types of fire, wrecks and remains of destroyed airplanes. He participated notably in the Gulf War, at the side of Generals Schwartzkopf and Roquejoffre.
Interesting analysis of Pentagon explosion from France by Pierre-Henri Bunel.
Funny thing, Dylan, but in the adult world your work is supposed to stand on its own.
His work does stand on it's own, blogs like this are proof and prove the point that most Americans are truly ignorant about the issues. I mean look at the terms used to ridicule people with dissenting viewpoints and the cartoon like (and homeland security inspired) 'Nutbar-o-meter.' When the haters come out of the woodworks to attack the messenger instead of the message, you know something is being done right.
Nesnyc
Well said....
No stinky cheese....
but more from France...
In The Pentagate, Thierry Meyssan and his team focus on the attack that was aimed at the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001
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That's another fallacy. Attacking "the messenger" does not exclude "attacking the message". In fact, this blog started off as a way to debunk the many misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and logical fallacies in "Loose Change". It was only after a handfull of idiots decided to display their total ignorance that we started to "attack the messenger". Why? Because, no matter how many times we tell you what's wrong with your "message", you refuse to throw the fucking thing in the shredder. After a while, disputing your points becomes useless, and pointing out your many personal flaws becomes much more entertaining.
MarkyX said...
Yep, I would love to comfront with their theories, but as you can see from my article, I was banned.
I've got to respect a Community that knows how to keep the riff-raff out.
When the haters come out of the woodworks to attack the messenger instead of the message, you know something is being done right.
Ummm, I believe this website HAS attacked the message, you douche.
I've got to respect a Community that knows how to keep the riff-raff out.
And yet what would you say if you crazies were banned from this site?
And are you suggesting we deport you to the Middle East? I'm sure you guys have nothing to fear there.
undense said...
Is that the very same Pierre-Henri Bunel
Do you really want to get into a disucssion of the morality of NATO's involvment in the so-called war? Do you remember when George "W" spoke out against our involvment in this?
Do you really think we'll find that Bunel was not taking steps to prevent innocent lives being lost?
link here for context for text below:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BUN502A.html
E: Does such an opinion prevail in the French Army, which has been present in Bosnia more than a decade?
"During my trial, a French General, who was quoted in the indictment, appeared as a witness and defended me before the military court. That man, who commanded a multinational division in Sarajevo, said: 'During the year when I was a commander there, we never had any problems with the Serb authorities or the Serb Army. The Serbs respected the agreement signed. I cannot say the same thing for the other groups. The [Bosnian] Muslims were the worst.'"
E: Can we expect a change in the conduct of the Western countries in their explanation of the causes of war?
"Yes, but not before the politicians, who were accomplices in these crimes, leave. Some of the French newspapers have already made a move. Some of them, like Marianne, have published how they were manipulated by NATO spokesperson Jamie Shea during the strikes on Yugoslavia. Though, the newspapers prefer to remain silent on the fact that the information released over several years was mere propaganda."
I've got to respect a Community that knows how to keep the riff-raff out.
Don't tempt me.
Chad,
Now that I realise that you are immune to reason on 9/11, and overall not that much fun to chat with (deport me???), just say whatever you darn well please, but don't expect me to take you seriously.
This guy is more fun to follow than "Big Foot"!
Bin Laden on the Move; New Sightings in Pakistan
Pat,
I enjoy being here. I'm not trying to get tossed.
However, it's not that big of a deal one way or another.
BG just gave himself away. Obviously he doesn't mind an anti-muslim bias, as long as the person spouting it is also being critical of the US. In other words, BG's only real agenda is to demonize the US government, and any and all actions by US administrations past and present.
undense,
btw, do you buy his theories on Islamism and the attempt by Muslims to re-erect the Global Islamic Caliphate? Or, in your eyes, is he only right about the Pentagon and a fruit loop about everything else he claims?
Undense,
I take you question to heart. It is fair, interesting, related to the topic.
Perhaps I should compose an answer and create a link to it, because it requires more space than I think people would like to wade though here....
Let me give you this answer short answer for now:
If it is true, that the following things happened in a certain fashion (which I believe they did),
1) Pearl Harbor being allowed to happen
2) dropping the A-bombs on Japan
(just to name 2 off the top of my head)
If these can be justified (or were justified at the time) on moral grounds of serving the greater good of mankind, then,
perhaps staging 9/11 can also be justified by the fact that Islamic Fundamentalism and other powerful forces (China?) are poised to crush, not just our freedom, but our entire Western Civilization built up over the last 500 years.
I know that's less than a full answer.
I admit there may be Muslims who will, given the chance, treat us in ways of supreme inhumanity as we, in limited cases, are currently treating them.
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Alex,
If, indeed your words about me match the facts, I resolve to do better.
This is not my intention.
BG, relax, I'm just teasing you.
I find it VERY interesting that it's easier for you to accept that there's a serious muslim threat and the US admin faked 9/11 in order to be able to defend us against it than it is for you to accept that there's a serious muslim threat and that their first assault against our way of life occured on September 11th 2001. It's like you're trying to string together the pieces of a rapidly disintegrating theory. Like a drunk trying to keep the contents of his smashed whisky bottle from slipping through his fingers.
No, I'm not calling you a drunk, I just thought it was a good simile :)
Immune to reason... not fun to chat with....
A single tear rolls down my cheek BG.
And just so we're clear. I'm damn proud to be immune to anything you would call "reason".
undense,
A side comment just occured to me (related to your question about the Islamic threat).
I'm sort of playing devil's advocate, here but not really.
One of our precious national treasures is our Repubic built on representative democracy.
How precious... I don't know what to think at present.
Let's postulate that the decision makers in the Military and top echelons of our government agencies really do see clearly aspects of the future 10 years down the road. Further say they do know that unless we take definitive steps to plan for that future, there is a high probability of grave harm to our Nation.
(By the way that's what PNAC was aboute if I understand it correctly)
If this case, do we want to have a Nation vote on the topic, and trust the average American to have a clue.
Given my view of 9/11, the average American's ability to gather information, look at facts, and make logical deductions isn't worth crap.
So, getting to the point, the people behind 9/11, of which many reside in powerful positions in America and are it's sworn defenders either are:
1) magnanimous leaders who knew that there was no other way, because somehow going to the people and explaining it would never work
or
2) Serve the needs of Elites in various places who, by virtue of power and money, overrule the best interests of the common citizen.
My contention is that the only way you would want to help the cause of covering up the true facts of 9/11 is the following:
a) You believe #1 is true above
or
b) you have a way of benefiting along with the Elites.
Pat,
got it.
I will admit my fuse with Chad is worn down.
BG, in all honesty, I don't harbor any ill-will towards you personally. I honestly just cannot grasp how you believe what you believe. You obviously feel the same way about me ("immune to reason").
I would apologize for the sarcasm and snide comments that I post, but that would imply I stop using sarcasm and snide comments in the future. And where's the fun in that?
I will however make a more concerted effort to civilly debate you (but only you - as you appear to be the sanest of your crew on here) in the future.
I can't promise anything though. :)
Chad,
That seems fair. I am too damn serious, and offense too easily.
undense,
I guess having conversation is good. We continue to be so far apart on foundational information. It's not a surprise that both of might be pretty frustrated with making headwa.
If there was some artificial situation set up were somebody said:
I'm going to lock you two guys us, and neither one of you eats until you can come to agreement.
I would either:
1) throw in the towel and agree with you, cause I don't want top starve.
or
2) start at the very basics of the facts, and try to explain why I believe (and why you should believe ) the proof is already there to an enormous degree. It is so far beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind ... you just can't imagine.
This is not rocket science, nor does it take a "religious type" devotion, nor does it take an "anti-govt." stance to understand.
Yet, I would fully admit that with probably 10 hours of work that I have fazed a single person.
I love how people are allowed to spew bull here, but when people post facts there they close comments.
We know who actually believes in the freedom of speech and the truth.
Oh and his comment about having to meet him...we have to meet everyone to judge their work? that's ludicrious. Hell, Dylan, if I met you, you'd be in the hospital about five minutes later.
Hey, this post is pretty pathetic. Do you guys realize how many times I've been banned from the official story lover's and Israeli sites? LOL! I'm not crying about it. There's more where that came from.
Hey, this post is pretty pathetic. Do you guys realize how many times I've been banned from the official story lover's and Israeli sites? LOL! I'm not crying about it. There's more where that came from.
nobody was banned, they just completely censored their blog.
And they did it because the 'evidence' they give doesn't add up, and they're having it shoved in their face. You just blame the Eternal Jew for everything.
nesync, if you get banned it won't be because your persuasive arguments are threatening us, it will be because you are annoying. Can you please come up with an argument other than, "The Jews did it"? It is morally and intellectually offensive.
nesync, if you get banned it won't be because your persuasive arguments are threatening us, it will be because you are annoying. Can you please come up with an argument other than, "The Jews did it"? It is morally and intellectually offensive.
Find the post where I blame the "Jews." I bet you can't.
Find the post where I blame the "Jews." I bet you can't.
"Zionists" is your code-word (and that of your buddies). Nearly all Jews are Zionists, a heft majority (at least 60 percent) of Americans are Zionists.
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