Saturday, June 24, 2006

More On Those Shoulder Launched Cruise Missiles

Earlier, both Pat and I, posted on the rather bizarre segment where Loose Change talks about a cruise missile attack on the Pentagon (when they are not talking about an A3 Skywarrior attack) while at the same time showing a test firing of a shoulder launched anti-tank weapon.








The Loosers here indignantly complained that we were just nitpicking, and they never actually said a shoulder launched missile was used, but rather that was just the video they happened to have for this segment.

Well, the Loose Change boys, who thankfully show no end to their stupidity, thus providing us plenty of material to write about, have in fact provided us proof that they had actually considered the possibility of a shoulder launched missile being used in the attack on the Pentagon, while being interviewed on the Fred McChesney Show on Air America (H/T Loose Change Creators Speak):

Tim in Tempe: The presumption is that possibly a missile hit the Pentagon. It would have had to come from either a ship or a plane, correct?

Rowe: Or ground. Actually, it could have been a Javelin round, which is a two-man team can carry a Javelin round. It costs upwards to around $750,000 for the equipment for one round to actually have the piece that locks whatever you are shooting from. I mean, you could shoot it…

Caller: And it could cause the damage that was shown…

Rowe: I mean, if the missile inside and it can be modified .Yes, it could do that, but it would have to be significantly modified. But I mean, I would lean closer to a missile being shot by an airplane.

Yeah, OK. Obviously Specialist Rowe didn't learn anything when he was assaulting with the first wave into Afghanistan. A Javelin, which looks even less like a Boeing 767 than a cruise missile does, has a shaped charge warhead of all of 8.5KG, and would not punch a 90 foot wide hole in the side of the Pentagon, and continue through 3 rings of the Pentagon while dispersing airplane parts, much less cause a huge fireball billowing into the air.









Once again, you must be careful not to underestimate the stupidity of the Loose Change creators.

19 Comments:

At 24 June, 2006 21:58, Blogger default.xbe said...

Actually, it could have been a Javelin round, which is a two-man team can carry a Javelin round.

is that even a sentence?

 
At 24 June, 2006 22:07, Blogger James B. said...

LOL That is what he said as best as I could make out, I had to listen to it 3 times to try and get it right. I finally gave up since it was giving me a headache. I suppose I should put a comma in there to try and make some sense of it.

It is at the 13:30 mark of the second hour if you want to listen to it.

 
At 24 June, 2006 22:32, Blogger shawn said...

Yes, it could do that, but it would have to be significantly modified. But I mean, I would lean closer to a missile being shot by an airplane.

Wow, that makes sense. Instead of just suiciding a plane into a building like you already did twice, you have a plane fire a tiny Javelin round into the largest office building on the planet.

 
At 25 June, 2006 02:01, Blogger nesNYC said...

This is like re-runs on TV. They just keep comin' back..

 
At 25 June, 2006 02:03, Blogger nesNYC said...

BTW, this still does not take away from the fact that there were no 19 "hijackers." Why don't you do a thread on how there are no pictures of them boarding the planes instead of rehashing topics you already covered?

 
At 25 June, 2006 04:17, Blogger MarkyX said...

A JAVELIN!?

That is an ANTI-TANK missile! It wouldn't have done squat to the pentagon!

 
At 25 June, 2006 04:31, Blogger Alex said...

It would have done some damage. They do a good job on tanks, blow them apart quite spectacularily. But specialist rowe obviously didn't learn much during his time in the military. Are we sure this guy ever actually deployed anywhere?

 
At 25 June, 2006 06:14, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Just to keep this straight: I am sure that none of us who disagree with you are "indignant." We appreciate you putting up this blog and, IMO, no one is even trying to change your minds. We're just speaking our own.

 
At 25 June, 2006 06:29, Blogger MarkyX said...

We have no problems with people speaking their minds. We just have a problem with people who blab bullshit like Loose Change where a simple fact like the A-3 Skywarrior using JT8D can easily be countered by looking into google.

And these same people expect the media to be serious about their "research"

 
At 25 June, 2006 06:40, Blogger apathoid said...

What a dork. He's just trying to sound intelligent and well researched by narrowing his choice of projectile down to one that few people have heard of. Anyone know what his MOS was?? I'm thinking he was a REMF.

 
At 25 June, 2006 07:18, Blogger Falco98 said...

Why don't you do a thread on how there are no pictures of them boarding the planes

no pictures doesn't make them "not real", no matter how many times you assert this. there are no pictures of Abe Lincoln being shot, so is THAT now untrue?

 
At 25 June, 2006 08:43, Blogger Alex said...

no pictures doesn't make them "not real", no matter how many times you assert this. there are no pictures of Abe Lincoln being shot, so is THAT now untrue?

Yeah, he was actualy strangled by a moassad agent working with the CIA. "That's fact well established."

 
At 25 June, 2006 09:39, Blogger James B. said...

There are pictures of some of them at the airport. What were they there for, the duty free shop?

 
At 25 June, 2006 11:51, Blogger shawn said...

Why don't you do a thread on how there are no pictures of them boarding the planes instead of rehashing topics you already covered?

You do realize this is a nonpoint, right? They don't take pictures of people boarding planes. I explained this to you.

 
At 25 June, 2006 13:05, Blogger apathoid said...

You do realize this is a nonpoint, right? They don't take pictures of people boarding planes. I explained this to you.

Nessie thinks we live in a police state and cameras are recording everyones every move. Even if such videos or photos existed, he'd say they were staged or holograms or some crap.

Thats the beauty of being a CT, you can never be proven wrong. As for skeptics, all it takes is a few(actual) whistleblowers(like demolitionists coming forward) and BAM we're proven wrong!
Is it nice to never be wrong, nesnyc??

 
At 26 June, 2006 09:45, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Absolutely no photographs or videos exist of Washington crossing the Delaware river. Ergo, it must be untrue. In fact, if you check any American phone directory in a major city, you will see that George Washington is STILL ALIVE!!! COOOOOOOONSPIIIIIIIRAAAAAACEEEEEEEEE!!!!

 
At 26 June, 2006 10:08, Blogger James B. said...

In fact there is a town named George, Washington. This proves it, he was never an actual person, just a town!

 
At 26 June, 2006 10:51, Blogger CHF said...

CTers would be wise to invest in a few military books.

Nothing fancy: they have jet/tank/missile guides for like $15 at any major book store.

It'll save you the embarassment of thinking Javelins can travel through 3 think layers of wall, that A3 jets have a wingspan compatable with a "16 foot" hole, or that Scuds are made in America.

And you wonder why the media STILL doesn't take you seriously? 90% of what you claim can be debunked on the spot!

 
At 28 June, 2006 03:29, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Hell they don't even need to spend a dime. All they need to do is check Wikipedia or FAS.org

 

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