Morgan Reynolds, Another "Scholar" for Truth
Here's his web page on 9-11, which is a treasure trove of 9-11 nuttery. Reynolds is off the deep end in conspiracy theory never never land; he buys into the possibility of no planes at all:
Some readers might object that critical examination of the official airplane stories is silly because everybody saw a plane hit the WTC south tower that morning. But that was only one of four events and seeing is not believing in a world of special effects. Something fantastic shown on TV is not the end of a criminal investigation but the beginning. Any important proposition delivered by the media must be established by evidence independent of their sleight-of-hand. They have been repeatedly exposed as liars, usually on behalf of the social apparatus of compulsion they must appease daily to continue their high-revenue businesses over the public airwaves. The media are not so much “embedded” with the U.S. government and military as “in bed” with them. Even if you reject this “echo chamber” view, there is no doubt that the technology exists to insert prepared images into pixels in real time and make the images prepared in advance look (mostly) real. The first-down stripe inserted in NFL telecasts is an example. Some analysts argue that the WTC crashes were little more than Tuesday-morning cartoons. Whether or not such a conclusion is warranted, any proposed theory of what happened must be consistent with physical evidence and conform to the principles of physics, the official conspiracy theory included. We should put aside preconceptions based on pixels and evaluate the physical evidence anew.
This is the sort of stuff that even Dylan Avery considers nutty.
I noticed one other thing I'll hit on now. Reynolds notes:
In a violent encounter between an aluminum plane weighing nearly 140 tons and a steel tower weighing 500,000 tons, the plane, of course, would be crushed. Aluminum has lower yield and failure strengths than steel and a Boeing 767 mass was a minuscule—to use Hoffman’s term—three hundredths of one percent of each tower’s mass. "The impact did nothing," as UC Berkeley structural engineer A. Astaneh-Asl said, "the airplane did not do much damage."
First of all, it should be obvious that the relative weights of the buildings and the planes have very little to do with what happened. The planes did not collide with the entire buildings, they collided with 3-4 stories of those buildings.
But second, here's a Scholar for 9-11 Truth citing a structural engineer! Could it be that we've finally found the Truther with the background to comment with authority that the buildings could not have come down the way the official story tells us?
Uh, no. If you go to the article that Reynolds links, it's pretty obvious that UC Berkeley structural engineer A. Astaneh-Asl believes in the official story:
A structural engineer examining the twisted bones of the World Trade Center said Friday he has tentatively concluded the towers collapsed because of intense fires fanned by jet fuel.
The interior steel remained supportive after the crash, only buckling when the fire exceeded 1,000 degrees, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl said.
“The impact did nothing,” Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl said, pointing to a massive interior column from the south tower that he believes remained standing even after three-quarters of it was sliced away by a jet part.
He expects that research will examine whether a tougher skin for future skyscrapers might be useful in deterring similar assaults. A steel-concrete composite exterior, for example, might crumple a plane and keep more fuel outside, he suggested.
“This building could not fight. It was just innocently standing there and somebody shot it,” said Astaneh-Asl, a professor of structural engineering at University of California-Berkeley.
Pieces of one of the planes — the largest the size of a business envelope — were found imbedded in steel facade columns of one tower on the opposite side from where they entered, Astaneh-Asl said.
Reading the article, it's pretty clear that this was written in the first few weeks after the attacks. I don't know if Astaneh-Asl has changed his mind about the damage done by the planes themselves. But it's quite clear that he's not in the camp of the controlled demolitionists, let alone the nutty no-planers like Morgan Reynolds.
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Just to add to this. They are always trying to portray Reynolds as a Bush insider, because he worked in the Labor department. It is a bit of an exaggeration. He was an academic assistant to Labor Secretary Elaine Chao for all of 16 months. He primarily helped compile the monthly statistical reports such as the unemployment rate. He had a grand total of two people working for him
James,
As much as you and I disagree, I have to express my compliments on your work ethic. I'm kind of amazed that you've gone to the trouble that you have in transcribing audio, etc.
If I had the same work ethic on as you on this, I would do a long write-up on why the "no planers" (or perhaps it would be more clear in my opinion to say "not the specific alleged passenger airliners crashing") are describing the truth.
I understand this idea of doubting the existence of the planes appears so far out of the bounds of reality, this most of you here just write it off as desperation and delusion of those of us who can't just accept the official story.
For what it's worth it was probably last last year (2005) before I wanted to even begin to go this direction with the WTC. Before that, I also want to say that it took 2 years of review before I would begin to doubt the Pentagon airliner crash.
For those of you who simply roll your eyes, I honestly respect where you are coming from. The only way that you are going to understand why otherwise sane individuals could believe such a thing as this theory is by looking at the video evidence, including stills extracted.
The number of "videos" of the "2nd hit" that claim to be authentic are up into the high 20's, maybe 29?
Originally Nico Haupt claimed that all live TV of the 2nd hit was based on a CNN feed, but he has since updated that to say there was a FOX News feed from a 2nd vantage point.
For most of us (who believe this theory), it's actually the Naudet Bros video of the 1st hit that provides the foundation of the belief that the video of the "planes" and the "crash" into the WTC is a "cartoon" or manipulation of some sort.
With respect to both WTC hits, I acknownledge that many people heard and saw something like a plane. I respect that some eyewitness accounts provided fairly precise details that match the alleged flights. I don't have an explanation for this.
Of all the details of 9/11 that I like to discuss, the "no-plane" stuff is one which is almost useless to discuss on a blog like this with comments like this. The nature of the evidence is visual (video) and demands a large degree of immersion into the topic.
For anyone interested in really understanding the details and associated arugments, I suggest Nico's blog
apathoid,
With respect to the first hit, I would challenge you or anybody to find more than 20 published accounts from people who claim to have seen it clearly. And among those whose accounts been recorded, there seems to be more whose description conflicts with Flight 11 than those whose descriptions match.
CNN still has a working video link that shows the Naudet video here:
First plane hits World Trade Center
Notice how little of the plane we get to see and what limited clarity there is.
I don't know if Astaneh-Asl has changed his mind about the damage done by the planes themselves."
He hasn't, but his conclusions are not radically different from those reached by NIST. To wit: The impact of the airliners themselves was insufficient to bring down the towers AND the fires themselves were also insufficient to bring down the towers; but damage to the columns and floor trusses and (more importantly) to the fireproofing around the surviving columns and trusses which resulted from the impacts allowed the fires to do more damage than they would have otherwise and that combination brought down the buildings. One of his papers is here, from his website, here. The differences he has with NIST are, as you supposed, scientific and technical in nature and are part of an ongoing discussion about skyscraper protection. HE is an example of a guy who really is "just asking questions" -- smart questions, informed questions, sensible questions. I have no doubt whatsoever that if he's aware of it he is extremely pained to be misquoted by morons and terrorist supporters.
Oh, hey, I forgot to wonder: How did Astaneh "(point) to a massive interior column from the south tower that he believes remained standing even after three-quarters of it was sliced away by a jet part" or deduce that "(p)ieces of one of the planes — the largest the size of a business envelope — were found imbedded in steel facade columns of one tower on the opposite side from where they entered"? Wasn't all the steel spirited off by the conspirators?
You mean by debunking the morons and terrorist supporters who proffer such ridiculousness rather than forcibly sterilizing them to prevent them from breeding? Actually yes, that exact thought occurred to me when reading BG's nonsense about the not-plane I didn't not see.
I respect that some eyewitness accounts provided fairly precise details that match the alleged flights. I don't have an explanation for this.
Here's the explanation:
We saw the planes hit. ACTUAL COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS! As I have said before, I personally saw this, and it was UNMISTAKABLE! No video, no CGI, actual planes.
That is what happened, commercial airliners hit the towers.
You are a stupid and crazy shithead.
That explains everything.
A link to another Morgan Reynolds Article:
The Risk of Winning: What Happens Once the 9/11 Sewer Opens Wide?
Jujigatami,
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You are a stupid and crazy shithead."
That's it: you are off my Christmas Card list.
BG, there are many people who saw the first plane hit. My brother works in the old Pan Am building and told me that the traders on the upper floors saw the whole thing. And the second plane must have been seen live by something close to a million or more.
The "no-planes" theory is simply a reflection of the desperation by Truthers to maintain their conclusion in the face of a mountain of evidence that they are wrong. It solves one problem with the CT (how to get pilots to fly into buildings), but it creates a host of others (where are the passengers, what about the film/eyewitnesses).
It also strikes me as a perfect example of how conspiracy theories keep morphing and expanding, because let's face it, you have to keep it interesting in order to get media. But it's completely nutty.
Pat,
I appreciate the civil way you state your opinion.
I respect that you represent the opinion of a huge number of people with your remarks.
However, you aren't really confronting the the evidence in general or the specific questions and issues. No discussion is complete without a detailed analysis of the Naudet Bros footage, the forms it has taken, and what versions show. No discussion is complete without specific details of accounts that are available from ground zero.
Pat, you are glossing over way too much.
Great new MP3 (words by Steven E. Jones)
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Great new MP3 (words by Steven E. Jones)
Thank you so much BG. Thank you for making me explain to my co-workers why I my face was red and tears were welling up in my eyes.
That is by far the funniest thing I've heard in a LOOOOONG time.
Please.... Convince the scholars to have that play every time you go to their website.
From the bridge:
I keep on cryin'
People... sheeple... PLEEEAASE
Pure. Effing. Poetry.
BG, are you folks using Naudet video from the DVD, or from somebody's YouTube upload? And let's accept for grins that the North Tower wasn't hit by a plane. What about the South Tower? You can't deny that there are dozens of people who filmed it, hundreds who photographed it, and hundreds of thousands who saw it live, and tens of millions who saw it live on TV.
You know, this explains the Superbowl last year. Just because 60,000 people saw the game live, and millions of people watched on television doesn't mean the game actually was real. It was faked. The Seahawks really won! Prove otherwise.
signed,
a desperate Seahawk fan in Seattle
I would suggest you move to Cleveland and wear a Brown's helmet at all times. Nobody would suspect a Brown's fan could be smart enough to know the truth.
Hah, according to an article in the Baltimore Sun from 1996 the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, therefore they no longer exist. This is obviously part of the conspiracy too.
Ah, so James, you're a "no-Brownser"?
I sat in my history class (of all classes, huh?) that September morning and watched a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER CRASH INTO THE TOWER LIVE. I saw it with my own two fucking eyes.
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