Just When You Thought It Couldn't Get Any Weirder
We have been covering some rather odd viewpoints here on Screw Loose Change, and I thought I had pretty much heard it all, but this one is definitely out there. General conspiracy nutbar Jim Fetzer is interviewing a man named Tim White on what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, on the basis that he installs kitchen cabinets in the Denver area. Stick with me, it kind of makes sense, eventually.
Mr. White, is apparently worried about the New World Order at the 15:54 mark:
Tim White: Well, it is even a whole lot worse than that because, what we were dealing with, what we were just mentioning there, that scenario ties back to agenda 21, the World Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. this ties in with the UN Treaty on Biodiversity. All the provisions on the implementation of all of these various agendas, sub-agendas. That are all under the umbrella of the main agenda, bringing about total world domination by the oligarchs that have been in control. This goes back to the various factions of the European black nobilities. This goes back to the Vatican. All roads lead back to Rome! And it all goes back to the Vatican. Which is the most powerful entity; it is the oldest, must powerful, wealthiest entity on the planet. But we are not talking about the Vatican, as most people realize it to be. Or see it in public, out in the open, we’re going right back to the Jesuits. We’re going back to an agenda which has been in progress for a better part of 500 years, ever since the days of Ignatius Loyola.Well at least he was original enough not to blame the Jews. Anyway, after rambling on forever Fetzer tries to get him to the subject of the Pentagon, unsuccessfully at first, at the 23:30 mark:
Fetzer: Now Tim, in the next 4 minutes, what I would like you to do is tell us, what you have learned about 9/11, and particularly at the Pentagon. And then after you give us that overview, we are going to take a break, and then come back and talk about these things in detail. Can you do that for us?YES!! My man Karl is back. I was worried he was going to leave the scene after I heard he might get cut from Loose Change V3.0.
Tim White: Yes, I think I can. The information I have learned about the Pentagon deals with things I learned here in Denver, at the home of a person, that has been a long time CIA operative. I won’t mention his real name on air, but I will mention his code name on air, his code name is “the mechanic”.
This person came into my life in the summer of 1995 as a quote-unquote person "calling from the Yellow Pages looking for countertops for his kitchen". But in conversations with him, I don’t want to deal with 1995, or the years subsequent to June of 2002 when I was at his home, when he started telling me information regarding the 9/11 operation, and specifically the codename of the person, who was handed the $1 billion fee, free and clear to plan the 9/11 operation. That codename is “tango dancer”.
That’s the first time I ever heard that name, was at the home of the mechanic. In Littleton, Colorado, he lives approximately 2 miles south of Columbine High School. And that afternoon when I was over at his house for about 2 hours, and I believe that he was open with me, specifically because he thought that whatever I was being told, I wasn’t going to be around much longer to talk about it, because at that very same time, during the same time period, the first week of June 2002, there was a quote-unquote “offer on the table” that was being presented to me. It was already well known, many years before that, that I am a loose cannon, with far too much information, of a sensitive nature. Information that is absolutely life threatening to know.
Fetzer: Now Tim, I want you to get into a description into what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.
Tim: What I was told by “the mechanic” was that the plan that was put out by “Tango Dancer” was that the World Trade Center had been wired up, and preplanted explosives had been put in over a period of 6 to 8 months, that the crew of so called maintenance people was a crew of at least 12, possibly upwards of 20 that were being used to wire up the building, to plant the explosive charges. That the crew posing as maintenance people, once they had finished their job, once they had all the connections in place, that they were eliminated to make sure that none of them would be talking. And also, that the Pentagon, was not part of the original plan. And some of this information also links in, from June of 2002 to contact that I started having with Karl Schwarz at the end of August of 2004.
And I just have one question, if they are going to eliminate the people who planted the explosives to keep them from talking, are they going to eliminate the people who eliminated the people who planted the explosives? Then are they going to eliminate those people? Oh nevermind... back to Karl:
Fetzer: Now Karl Schwarz of course is a congressman?Hey, give Karl time, and he will be a congressman.
Tim: No, Karl Schwarz has been heavily involved in the investigation of 9/11. He was working very very closely with Jimmy Walter. And to develop the information through sources, though people on the scene, through inside contacts, FDNY, NYPD, the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs of Staff, whether we are talking about retired military officers, active duty military officers, officers from, probably primarily the Air Force, Army and Navy branches, probably Marine branches also. But I was told in June of 2002, that the Pentagon was not part of the original plan.
Fetzer: So why was the Pentagon brought into it?
Tim: This ties in with information that I was getting from Karl Schwarz, when he was giving me information. I was giving him information, and he was putting out through channels and everything. The code name “Tango Dancer” was proved to be accurate and the reason that the Pentagon was struck, was because information that I have gotten from 2 or 3 different sources, and confirmed in one way, through Karl Schwarz, was that ONI Office of Naval Intelligence, what we have to understand here is we’re dealing with various factions. Factions 1, factions 2, we’re dealing with more than 2 factions. Factions within the above ground US government. Factions within the secret shadow government which is primarily all underground, so we are dealing with factions that are fighting with each other, but also at the same time part of the structure that is governed by the major agenda of New World Order. And so ONI became aware of the upcoming ONI attacks. This was the early part of 1999, possibly before that.
OK, so after rambling on forever, Tim still has not addressed what happened at the Pentagon, so Fetzer tries once again to get him back on topic at the 39:50 mark:
Fetzer: Tim could you pick up here, and piece these things together from your various sources as to what actually happened at the Pentagon as no Boeing 757 appears to have been involved?I am getting tired of typing so I will summarize the next several minutes. Tim then goes on to explain some secret operation to tap into underseas communication cables which is how ONI found out about 9/11, then other factions found out ONI knew, and all the data is transferred through nearby Buckley Air Force Base. Conveniently everything that happened on 9/11 is connected with the Denver Metropolitan area, mostly by people who he installed kitchen cabinets for.
Tim: Well when we went to commercial break, I was just mentioning ONI, Office of Naval Intelligence had become aware of the upcoming 9/11 operation. This was possibly before the calendar turned to 1999, but my understanding, and Karl Schwarz mentioned this, and this tied into the stuff that I was getting bits and pieces of in various conversations with “the mechanic” at his home, and over the phone, and a couple of times when we met for lunch. And “the mechanic” was a long time CIA asset, he had worked for this “Tango Dancer” for more than 20 years. Uhh, let’s just say there is a reason for that code name “the mechanic”. He goes out and fixes things, and he fixes them permanently. He gets rid of people.
Fetzer: That’s very good. Now tell us what happened at the Pentagon from what you have been able to piece together from your multiple sources. What happened at the Pentagon?
Tim: ONI, as I said, had become aware of the upcoming operation, so what they did, and there was only a few people in the pipeline at ONI offices.
At the 43:30 mark, Fetzer tries yet again to get him back on topic:
Fetzer: But I am asking you, if it was not hit by a Boeing 757 what was it hit by?
Tim: This started coming together when Karl Schwarz, and people working with Karl Schwarz, when Karl first posted the article regarding the A3 Skywarrior, a modified Skywarrior, and this plane was apparently owned by Raytheon as a test aircraft for various weapons systems so this aircraft was taken out, apparently with a sister aircraft to be used as a backup. OK? Now when Karl Schwarz came out with that article. I read that, and I immediately knew what was going on.
He then describes how the A3 was modified, conveniently, at the nearby Ft. Collins airport.
Now finally, after 45 minutes we actually get to hear what the point of the interview was. Now Fetzer talks about his theory.
Fetzer: You're suggesting that there was a substitution made, that flight 77, which I have already explained, went off the radar screen in the Kentucky Ohio border, there appears to be a disconnect there, and a substitution was made, with what appears to be an A3 Skywarrior, probably painted up to resemble and American Airlines 757. The Skywarrior is about 60% of the size of a 757. But if anyone wants to know what it would look like, or how it would take in bystanders go to ST911.org and scroll down into the audio video files, look at Jack White’s “photo studies of 9/11". Go into his photo studies, Jack White’s photo studies, and go into the Pentagon. You’ll see, that Jack White has arrived at a very similar conclusion that an A3 Skywarrior was probably the plane that was used to hit the Pentagon. An A3 Skywarrior that was made up to look like an American Airlines plane.
And Tim, may I infer, as I have from seeing the footage that the Pentagon has released, which of course is extremely sketchy, and obviously does not show any Boeing 757, that it may be the case, that the A3 Skywarrior fired a missile at the building, before it impacted with it?
Tim: Well yeah, that would be something that would be used as a breaching charge to allow entry of the aircraft, so the aircraft wouldn’t just disintegrate on the outside wall of the Pentagon. So their had to be something used, because you could see the flash, pure white and that could only happen with something that is going to explode with great heat, great shock, something that is obviously not a fuel fire.
Unbelievable. And this is just the first hour...
Update: Pat points me to this movie. I can't believe I missed the movie reference.
Update:
True lies?
posted by James B. @ 9:17 AM
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at the Pentagon as no Boeing 757 appears to have been involved
It only appears that way if you're blind and deaf.
Or an utter fool.
You’ll see, that Jack White has arrived at a very similar conclusion that an A3 Skywarrior was probably the plane that was used to hit the Pentagon. An A3 Skywarrior that was made up to look like an American Airlines plane.
Except it doesn't physically resemble an airliner (even at its speed you could tell the difference) and no parts consistent with a Skywarrior were found at the site.
No, he's absolutely right. I know "the plumber" and he's constantly in touch with "the mechanic". He tells me that "dirty dancer" was in charge of the opperation, and "exotic dancer" provided most of the funding.
It's proven fact!
Well at least he was original enough not to blame the Jews. Anyway, after rambling on forever Fetzer tries to get him to the subject of the Pentagon, unsuccessfully at first, at the 23:30 mark:
"Black Nobility" intermarried with the Jews in Medieval days especially so in the Mercantile class in the UK. These inbreed families are linked through blood and comprise the ruling oligarchy that has the world in their grips today. While not specifically mentioning "Jews" if you look at the history of the Black Nobles, you'll see they have a heavy Jewish influence intertwined in their heritage.
Nesnyc, use a good source for once. A guy who rants about how the Bible is true and "Jew-baiting" isn't a person you should be linking to.
from 911blogger.com:
NIST says "NO" to debate
Change in Venue or Date will not Alter Decision ...After three separate mailings of hard copy invitations to the NIST scientists, on June 8, 2006 the Muckraker Report received e-mail from NIST that said, "The project leaders of the NIST World Trade Center investigation team respectfully decline your invitations to participate in the National 9/11 Debate on September 16, 2006.”
Not to be deterred, on June 20, 2006 the Muckraker Report e-mailed Michael E. Newman, NIST Director of Media Relations, and asked if there was a better date, time, and location for NIST to participate in the National 9/11 Debate.
On June 25, 2006, NIST Director of Media Relations, Michael E. Newman responded:
The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision.
How lame is that?
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On June 25, 2006, NIST Director of Media Relations, Michael E. Newman responded:
The members of the NIST WTC Investigation Team has [sic] respectfully declined your invitation to participate in the National 9/11 Debate. A change in venue or date will not alter that decision.
How lame is that?
Not lame at all. I wouldn't want to step into that vipers' den, either.
I can just imagine the line of thought that lead to THAT decision:
"Hrm, yes, as a respected structural engineer, I want nothing more than to spend a couple days being yelled at by people who think the Jews are paying me to lie about my part in covering up the killing of 3,000 Americans. What could be more fun than that?"
Nesnyc, use a good source for once. A guy who rants about how the Bible is true and "Jew-baiting" isn't a person you should be linking to.
Why do you make it personal? Check out his facts. See if they are true or not. Simple.
ive heard about jesuit conspiracies before from some crazy protestants, apparently they have a "black pope" who really runs the catholic church, and the "white popes" never die, they are always killed by the jesuits
Here's the guy passing that around:
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
Although a lot of what he says could make sense if the church was in its heyday, the truth is that the Catholic Church is a decaying institution. Also, he is VERY pro Zionist and many people have concluded his position is generated to derail the anti-Zionist stand.
Not lame at all. I wouldn't want to step into that vipers' den, either.
Correct. Lies are harder to pass when you are facing people you are lying to.
regarding Fetzer....
I'm going to wave raw meat for you lions.
If you were in my shoes, wanting more official investigation of 9/11, which of the following actions would you recommend:
1) Call for Jim Fetzer's resignation from ST911
2) Call for the dissolution of ST911
3) stop caring and get a life
4) all of the above?
Correct. Lies are harder to pass when you are facing people you are lying to.
Heh. That calls for a minute of remembrance for one of my personal heroes, Buzz Aldrin.
"Bart Sibrel, a conspiracy theorist who believes that NASA faked the moon landing, confronted retired astronaut Buzz Aldrin on September 9, 2002.
"You're a coward," he exclaimed, "and a liar, ..."
At that point, Aldrin (age 72) landed a spirited punch to Sibrel's jaw.
The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office has declined to file charges."
The Video
Correct. Lies are harder to pass when you are facing people you are lying to.
Nesnyc, could you quit the irony for at least a day?
Henri Paul (driver of the car that crashed in Paris, killing Princess Diana) worked for the French Secret Service and controlled 14 bank accounts all over Europe that added up to more than 100,000 pounds and this information just came out this year.
It's a conspiracy!
For almost 10 years, the mainstream media has pooh-poohed the possibility that something other/more than drunk driving was involved in that crash and look at this:
Actually, they also say papparazi might be to blame.
hahah alex I met Buzz Aldrin after that incident and personally thanked him.
If you were in my shoes, wanting more official investigation of 9/11, which of the following actions would you recommend:
1) Call for Jim Fetzer's resignation from ST911
That one.
Fetzer kind of flamed me on the journal forum, so I sent him an e-mail. He actually replied, although he completely misunderstood the point I was trying to make and started going off on JFK assassination theories.
I sent him some clarifying points and the Charles Bronson picture, asking him if next week he is going to delve into the secret world of Jason Bourne.
Nesnyc, could you quit the irony for at least a day?
The irony is NIST is so confident in its "work" they refuse to meet with folks who think otherwise.
At that point, Aldrin (age 72) landed a spirited punch to Sibrel's jaw.
That just proves liars, like most criminals, have a short fuse.
BG, as tempting as #3 and #4 are, if you want more investigation, getting a life won't do it. I can't tell at this point if all the Scholars for 9-11 Truth are as completely bonkers as Fetzer and Judy Wood, so I'm not sure #2 works.
By default, then, #1 is the answer.
Alex, loved that Aldrin clip, not surprised he was not charged, the CT nut who confronted him had clearly uttered "fighting words".
That just proves liars, like most criminals, have a short fuse.
Now he believes the Apollo moon hoax, which has even less evidence (surprisingly possible) than the 9/11 or JFK conspiracies.
If I had been the second man on an extraterrestrial surface and some asshole badgered me about it being fake, I would sock him, too.
To be perfectly honest, I'd love to beat the shit out of every one of you, but I can live with destroying you on intellectual plane.
The irony is NIST is so confident in its "work" they refuse to meet with folks who think otherwise.
Wrong.
You morons don't seem to get that your side doesn't win the argument just because the other side doesn't enter in. By joining the so-called debate, the NIST folks grant at least the pretense of legitimacy to the 9/11 nutjobs.
If someone had a conference about how I was a liar and murderer, and had no evidence for it, but they invited me I would not go. It's the normal thing to do.
Ahh, Fetzer wouldn't address any of the points I made. What a wuss. This was my favorite line from him though:
You appear to me to be slightly off your nut, but because I have been accused of that myself, I won't hold that against you.
hahah alex I met Buzz Aldrin after that incident and personally thanked him.
I just want to shake his hand :)
Actually, I'd love to buy him a beer instead. Reminds me of some of the old WW2 veterans who still come have a beer with us at the regiment on occasion. One of them knocked out a holocaust denier about 6 or 7 years ago. It's amazing how much pride you feel watching an 80 year old hero clobbering some college-age dumbass.
The irony is NIST is so confident in its "work" they refuse to meet with folks who think otherwise.
I think you need to look up the meaning of the word "irony", since you're deffinitely mis-using it here.
You morons don't seem to get that your side doesn't win the argument just because the other side doesn't enter in. By joining the so-called debate, the NIST folks grant at least the pretense of legitimacy to the 9/11 nutjobs.
Reason why loosers don't go to JERF.
It only appears that way if you're blind and deaf.
Or an utter fool.
Or a Pentalawn "security" camera.
Just another movie reference: Tango Dancer.
In the movie "True Lies" Schwarzenegger plays a top spy who is know in his angency for dancing the Tango while on the job.
In the movie "True Lies" Schwarzenegger plays a top spy who is know in his angency for dancing the Tango while on the job.
Apparently, that's not the only thing True Lies was good for.... We musn't forget the anti-muslim propaganda.
debating with you people really is useless except for amusement.
And is why I'm here :)
debating with you people really is useless except for amusement.
And is why I'm here.
We musn't forget the anti-muslim propaganda.
Or, Zionist propaganda.
The NIST knows this and has better things to do than sit around and be accused of lying by people who refuse to accept any evidence they don't like.
Yeah, like spend that 20 million they made on that pseudo investigation. To debate CT'ers would actually require them to work to explain their lies and no one is paying this time so I see their point.
Another Fetzer lie. The A-3 is not 60% of the size of a 757. Its about 85 feet shorter and a third the weight. Its also a high wing aircraft making it impossible to confuse it with a 757.
Hey, these are the same people who think a 20 foot long cruise missile looks like a 757.
Reason why loosers don't go to JERF.
And when they do go there they get utterly demolished.
And is why I'm here.
You must be a masochist.
You must be a masochist.
No, I like seeing you guys squirm and get all hot under the collar. It's entertaining :D
No, I like seeing you guys squirm and get all hot under the collar. It's entertaining :D
It is true, too much irony can give you a headache.
Dude, you're the one probably flipping out over Israel invading Palestine to get their soldier back (although you probably think it was all staged, along with the poor young man who was kidnapped only to be murdered right afterwards).
Dude, you're the one probably flipping out over Israel invading Palestine to get their soldier back (although you probably think it was all staged, along with the poor young man who was kidnapped only to be murdered right afterwards).
LOL! The Zionists were planning that assault since before the soldier was "taken." Can we say PREDICTABLE? How do they get the soldier back by blowing up the electrical station?
What really happened is that Israel is trying to grab as much as it can since the writing is on the wall for the Iraqi war. The soldier is probably safe and sound back in Israel and just an "excuse" to move the military in as they planned. Of course, they can't just march in without it being the Palestinian's fault. So the staged kidnapping was definitely the work of the Zionists who planned the Gaza invasion long ago.
Also if you notice, they are trying to get Syria involved and trying to get as much mileage from the solider "kidnapping" as they can.
I'm not mad at what is happening, I'm not even surprised. The Zionists will not end until all the Palestinians are ethnically cleansed from their land so the Zionists can grab it up. That is the purpose of Zionism, why would it be surprising that they would do anything else?
But it really doesn't matter, "Israel" is targeted for destruction too and all anyone has to do is patiently wait and let the inevitable materialize.
Sad.
Nesnyc,
I agree with much of your discussion in terms of Zionism being a label to describe a significant power structure and Modus Operandi that is warping US policy and world events.
I also agree that Zionist-centered explanations alone do not explain all the "behind the scenes" manipulation (i.e. Israel creating it's own destruction).
The central core of what America should be about in relation to 9/11 or any crime is law enforcement. Law enforcement does not need any conspiracy theory, or over-arching idealogical claims to gather the evidence and convene a Grand Jury. Seems to me that we would all do well to identify the overt way our system has failed us with the 9/11 events, and find a way to get things back on track at the spot the train left the track. The clear failure is with the behavior of the investigating bodies who were given jurisdiction over the investigations, and the bahavior of those bodies.
Thus, while I share a huge moral indigation related to what the US is the Middle East, and I believe that there is a connection to the events of 9/11, I don't see it as that helpful to try to convince people who believe the govt. story of 9/11 by asking them to buy into the Zeitgeist arguments.
Wow, nesnyc, I don't think any person in the history of our species has ever been more wrong than you.
Wanna know why Syria is involved? THEY ARE HARBORING THE LEADERS OF HAMAS. DURRRRR.
How fucking stupid are you people? You don't go for the obvious explanation (and most usually the right one), but take some convuluted, ridiculous road to some explanation that doesn't even make sense.
LOL! The Zionists were planning that assault since before the soldier was "taken." Can we say PREDICTABLE? How do they get the soldier back by blowing up the electrical station?
Too bad your link doesn't support the statement you make.
And how tatically retarded are you? You punish your enemy until they give you want you want. They kidnapped a soldier (from Israel, might I add, not one of the territories), and refused to give him back. ISrael is completely justified in their actions.
What really happened is that Israel is trying to grab as much as it can since the writing is on the wall for the Iraqi war.
That's why they gave the Palestinians all of Gaza...how dumb are you? Honestly? Have they tested you?
The soldier is probably safe and sound back in Israel and just an "excuse" to move the military in as they planned.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You have NO evidence he's back in Israel besides your insane anti-semitic bias.
The Zionists will not end until all the Palestinians are ethnically cleansed from their land so the Zionists can grab it up.
They're doing a piss poor job since the Palestinian population has increased four hundred percent since the War of Independence. Not only that, but giving Arabs equal rights in Israel (consequently causing them to be the most free country for Arabs in the Middle East)? Christ on a cracker, they're practically Nazis!
That is the purpose of Zionism, why would it be surprising that they would do anything else?
It's actually depressing how deluded you are. Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people have a right to self-determination. You have the entire Arab-Israeli conflict backwards, it's ridiculous. The Arabs started the cycle of violence, it is their job to end it. They've refused the two state solution (Israel has endorsed it).
people who believe the govt. story of 9/11
You Orwellian nitwits need to stop saying "believe" when referring to our support of the 'official' story. A belief is based on faith, our support is based on logic, reason, and evidence.
The central core of what America should be about in relation to 9/11 or any crime is law enforcement. Law enforcement does not need any conspiracy theory, or over-arching idealogical claims to gather the evidence and convene a Grand Jury. Seems to me that we would all do well to identify the overt way our system has failed us with the 9/11 events, and find a way to get things back on track at the spot the train left the track. The clear failure is with the behavior of the investigating bodies who were given jurisdiction over the investigations, and the bahavior of those bodies.
One of the dumbest things I've read in a while.
You DO, ofcourse, realize that Law Enforcement depends on all sorts of outside experts to gather and analyze information, right?
And even if they didn't, even if the NYPD could conduct the whole investigation internaly, are you SERIOUSLY telling me you'd be more inclined to beleive them than you do FEMA or NIST?
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