Follow the Money
An interesting little bit on Loose Change, from some on-line newspaper in Singapore.
Added Mr Haverkamp: 'The most revealing page on the producers' website is the 'Loose Change store', which lets you order their DVDs and T-shirts.
'Instead of investigating 9/11, perhaps someone should look into how much money these guys will make.
'Conspiracy sells.'
In the US, online activists at www.911myths.com have slammed what they consider Loose Change's 'distorted claims' and 'factual errors'. There's even a website called Loose Trains which mocks the entire video.
posted by James B. @ 7:58 PM
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I always just assumed that al Qaeda was banking them directly. If they make enough to give Osama a return on his investment that would just be a bonus.
ReOpen 9/11, an online grassroots movement, calls Loose Change 'the best video on 9/11', while a team of mostly US journalists and researchers under the banner name 'WantToKnow.info' say the documentary is 'incredibly powerful' and 'reliable'.
These people don't have much going for them if Loose change is the "best video" and "reliable".
Like, Hey man, everybody wants a shirt, I mean can't you see the memorial, in September when we have shirts, I mean, everywhere in the crowd, I mean, what better way to show that I mean, there was Controlled Demolition, and I mean, Marvin Bush did it - all the cameras will be on me, I mean us, and the trooth movement.
Me and Jason were gonna make like hats, but I mean, we got into a fight, trying to decide if the words go on the front or the back, and then I said, it should I mean, go on the front, and like we need to include instructions with the hat so they know I mean, which way to wear them.
I mean, those mourning people at the memorial are gonna be so impressed, they'll demand that the commission be reopened.
shawn, have you ordered your loose change t-shirt?
Who hasn't?
Can you believe they banned me for not being islamic enough?
I'm sure they did.
Like, hey, Joan, like, I mean, how does LC3 turn out?
Roger, you will get no sympathy from me, they banned me the second day I was on their forum for no reason at all, and I only came on there because they were talking about this site.
Remember, they are just asking questions and want a free exchange of ideas.
And you wonder why noone replies to your posts.....
The best part is he at least tried to paint himself as a rational person in his first posts. He filled them with a lot of smart-sounding words and didn't make any judgments on he evidence (or so he said).
When the new Loose Change 3 comes out, I'll buy one copy from Louder than Words on-line and then the other copies I buy I'll buy for $1.99 on e-bay.
Well it's nice to know they still have theire disciples.
great comments, booglehead
you need to answer both those questions before it becomes a meaningful point, and yet you dodge these questions at every turn
I think he'll stick with making an insinuation without buttressing any points, he's done a good job of it thus far.
So your proof is that the informant lied to the FBI? How does that support your belief in a conspiracy in any way?
Pay no attention to the words behind the 28 page black curtain.
Kinda like how they black out pages in UFO documents. So what you're saying is the government actually has UFOs.
Also, I think you're on to something here with the Saudis funding terrorism. I don't think anyone has ever thought of that. What with Osama being a Saudi, and most of the hijackers being from Saudi Arabia, it's weird that you're the only one to think of this.
Oh...wait.
It's been discovered that the blame really lies with everyone
Well adults blame whoever committed an act. Children (and leftists and extreme rightists) blame everyone but the perpetrators. It's society! It's the government!
I don't blame the US for dropping the ball on Pearl Harbor, I blame the Japanese.
US-Saudi drug trafficking was not a theory?
It is a theory, not a very good one, but you're right, it is a theory.
Why did they leave it to their landlord? Nobody does that, do they?
Until they went to the great beyond, I'd have said "nobody thinks a comet means a UFO is coming to bring us to space and thus we have to chop off our whangs, dress in identical clothing, and overdose to kill ourselves."
Did it occur to you that both the hijackers on 9/11 and the Heaven's Gate cultists might have been subjected to.....
brainwashing?
Were some folks brainwashed by Applewhite? Certainly. But all of them? Doubtful, some people are kooks to begin with and need no urging.
I think it's a very fearful way to go about the world thinking that any people who do something so monstrous were insane/brainwashed/etc. It speaks of a general ignorance of the worst parts of humankind that the greatest architects of terror throughout history can just be brushed away as nuts. Is it possible the al-Qaeda hijackers were brainwashed? Yes. Do I find it probable? Not for all of them. All cults (and al-Qaeda is one, it is the spiritual successor to the Assassins) have at least some aspect of mind-control, using some type of religious zealotry. Their recruits come to them or are already of the mind to join the cause.
I only ask because half the people will say it's obvious and half the people will say it's a....
"conspiracy theory"
Half will say it's obvious? It'd be sad if so. It's much easier to write off evil as brainwashing.
which mocks the entire video.
When one lacks the ammo, the absurd definitely makes more sense.
When one lacks the ammo, the absurd definitely makes more sense.
Nesnyc, do you even understand irony?
...let's just say instead that MK-Ultra is not so much a conspiracy theory as a conspiracy near-certainty.
Well MKULTRA actually existed. There's no evidence the project continued after the 60s.
what about the fact that two of the hijackers lived with an FBI informant in counter-terrorism?
Bogglehead, you're spamming. Makes me think that you don't care about people answering direct points. You just want justification for "grinz".
Also, you and I have been over the above many times. And I am completely justified in saying "so what."
Before you jump to radical conclusions because one hijacker was seen in a casino in the same state in which a member of government owned a different casino, find out some things on your own. What is the FBI's typical MO? What other things could contribute to mistakes made?
You are pulling many connections out of the air and looking only to skeptics to follow up on them. What is your goal? A new investigation or to win an arguement by spamming?
Motive, means and opportunity do no even begin to suggest how you could figure things out beyond a reasonable doubt.
I had the motive, means, AND opportunity to rob a bank. In your world, I'm now guilty untill proven innocent.
An informant lying?! Well, I never!
Shawn, tell me about Omar al Bayoumi and how he had no role in September 11.
There we go with proving negatives again.
The claim that I never proved Bayoumi's involvement in 9/11 is a negative?
No, you told me to prove he wasn't part of 9/11. I cannot do that. You have to prove he was involved, and you have yet to do that. You don't seem to get that contact with someone does not actually make you party to their misdeeds.
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