Friday, August 11, 2006

In Which I Agree and Disagree With Dylan

Without getting personal.

Dylan posts several pictures here about the horrors of increased security at US airports in the wake of the arrest of the plotters in England.

What he misses is that most people see that kind of security as reassuring in the wake of the tragedy that Islamofascists had in mind for next Wednesday. Most people see those National Guardsmen with relief, not dread.

That said, he does make a good point here:

I think even in terms of the "War on Terror", you have to draw the line at a senior citizen with lip balm.

Real terrorist profiling would not concentrate on Grandma Chapstick.

44 Comments:

At 11 August, 2006 18:56, Blogger shawn said...

I'm getting sick of the scare quotes around War on Terror (hell, technically speaking it's the Global War on Terrorism).

 
At 11 August, 2006 19:01, Blogger default.xbe said...

people say world war 3 is coming, i think it could be argued WW3 has been going on for 5 years and the destruction of the world trade center was the proverbial "shot heard around the world"

 
At 11 August, 2006 19:32, Blogger James B. said...

His title makes no sense.

I think we should give up liberty for freedom. Wait a second...


Uhh, liberty and freedom are synonyms. I think you meant to say "liberty for safety" to paraphrase the famous Benjamin Franklin quote.

 
At 11 August, 2006 19:38, Blogger shawn said...

Uhh, liberty and freedom are synonyms. I think you meant to say "liberty for safety" to paraphrase the famous Benjamin Franklin quote.

This is from the kid (Why do I call him "kid"? He's a couple years older than me.) who confused Hilary Swank with Hilary Duff.

 
At 11 August, 2006 19:48, Blogger BoggleHead said...

"liberty for freedom" is a quote from a witness to the London Bombings in Terrorstorm

Alex Jones and one of the Watson brothers proceeds to deride it as doublethink, which it arguably is

 
At 11 August, 2006 20:02, Blogger James B. said...

It is not doublespeak, it just makes no sense.

 
At 11 August, 2006 20:11, Blogger shawn said...

Alex Jones and one of the Watson brothers proceeds to deride it as doublethink, which it arguably is

I don't see how it's doublethink. Doublethink would be saying "freedom and despotism are the same". What that person said just makes no sense.

 
At 11 August, 2006 20:11, Blogger shawn said...

Although doublethink itself makes no sense.

 
At 11 August, 2006 20:27, Blogger boinky said...

My husband's classmate flew in to Manila from Bohol, and said that she had to check her purse.
So, at least in Manila you are safe from 81 year old Catholic grandmothers.
But the dirty little secret is that bribery would get a bomb on a plane... something that NWA has figured out (My cousin told me they park their planes overnight in Taiwan not Manila...don't know if it's still true).

 
At 11 August, 2006 22:11, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Doublethink would be saying "freedom and despotism are the same".

Well the argument's being implicitly or even explicitly made that that's what she's saying.

She's saying she thinks we may need to sacrifice liberty for freedom.

This isn't that far a cry from the direct quote "Freedom is Slavery" and "Ignorance is Strength" doesn't appear to be far behind, is I think what they're saying.

 
At 11 August, 2006 22:34, Blogger Dog Town said...

How the hell do you know what's under grammies Burka?
Gucci?????

 
At 12 August, 2006 00:04, Blogger nesNYC said...

What he misses is that most people see that kind of security as reassuring in the wake of the tragedy that Islamofascists had in mind for next Wednesday.

You should put Islamofascists in quotes since they really don't exist, well, at least at your local airport.

On another note, no, people do not feel reassured. A lot of us can see the framework for the rise of the police state right in front of us. That being said, do you really think assault rifles are going to stop liquid nitroglycerine bottles from a "terrorist" sneaking them on board? Who is this show of force really targeted at? You're correct in that some people feel safer but all in all this is just more priming of the public to accept unconstitutional searches and, mark my words, extrajudicial killings by the homeland security goon squads.

What's this all about anyway? What you guys are not aware of is that either the bottom is going to come off of the economy or we will get hit with another massive "terrorist" Al-CIA-duh strike which in turn will kill the economy and even you guys will join the ranks of the "terrorists" when you loose you homes and livelihoods. Know your enemy!

 
At 12 August, 2006 02:18, Blogger Billythekid said...

Korey Rowe on his critics (Loose Change blog): How do you explain the viewers guides? I say, "have you read them?" These guides are fact-less, minus the errors that we publicly retracted and that have now been fixed in the second edition re-cut that we just put up on Google video, ONCE AGAIN FOR FUCKING FREE! They attack our character. You know, fine, I’m not Jesus, I’m not perfect, no one is. I have made mistakes, I am human. My biggest mistake was not being able to see the truth before I went to Iraq and killed people for a lie."

These guides are fact-less? Since when?

 
At 12 August, 2006 06:19, Blogger parke said...

What is the meaning of an "Islamofascist"?

 
At 12 August, 2006 06:52, Blogger MarkyX said...

parke, just do some research or watch "Obsession".

Radical Islam has more connections to Nazism then people are willing to admit (when they are too busy comparing Bush to Hitler)

Hence, Islamofascism.

I don't see how this posts supports that 9/11 was a coverup though. Yes, the Bush Adminstration is tripping over their own two legs way too many times, but they didn't pull off 9/11.

 
At 12 August, 2006 08:15, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

"Islamofascism" is just an idiotic term meant to conjure up images of WWII. There is no monolithic Islam, nor are Islamic fundamentalists in ideological lock-step, there have always been overriding tribal or ethnic issues, sectarian violence, etc.

It is accurate to point out connections between the Islamic world and the Third Reich, but what bearing does that have today? The Third Reich courted a number of peoples that were living in the empires of their enemies(Britain and France). In other words, one can find Indian connections to the Third Reich, American connections(German American Bund), English connections, French, Polish, Russian, Japanese, Tibetan, Portugese, etc.

In other words, its irrelevant. For example, the Western Media has been largely sympathetic to the Chechen rebellion, despite the fact that the Chechen's were deported in 1944 for collaboration with the enemy(this was true). Likewise, the Western media and governments took the side of the Albanians, Croats, and Bosnian Muslims despite their ties to the Nazi regime.

Personally I don't think that alone should condemn any nationality because the history of collaboration is found in so many ethnic and religious groups worldwide.

 
At 12 August, 2006 08:44, Blogger parke said...

jpslovjanski, thank you for the perspective. The term Islamofascist always struck me as more demonizing than descriptive.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:03, Blogger Tempestuous said...

Islamofascism is a brilliant word conjured up by some ass in the administration to inflame the masses. It is idiotic, but Johnny Nascar and Joe Sixpack eat it right up.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:14, Blogger shawn said...

Personally I don't think that alone should condemn any nationality because the history of collaboration is found in so many ethnic and religious groups worldwide.

I don't think the term (stupid sounding as it is) has anything to do with every Muslim. When I hear the term I think of the Islamists and takfiri, not the majority of Muslims who aren't murderous bastards.

Islamofascism is a brilliant word conjured up by some ass in the administration to inflame the masses

Wrong. It was either coined in the Independent or the Washington Times.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:37, Blogger dylan avery said...

ah, yes, i confused hillary swank with hillary duff, and that invalidates my intellect.

or maybe i just don't give a shit about pop culture.

A or B, folks. pick one. :D

and yes, I was quoting Terrorstorm in the blog headline. good catch.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:44, Blogger shawn said...

ah, yes, i confused hillary swank with hillary duff, and that invalidates my intellect.

I've never seen a movie or show with either actress and I can easily tell the difference. I don't go out of my way to "learn" pop culture, we're inundated.

and yes, I was quoting Terrorstorm in the blog headline. good catch.

Nice, too bad the quote in question made no sense. Next time try to pick something that isn't stupid.

How's Final Edition coming? Read the Viewer's Guide and fix all of Second Edition's mistakes?

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:45, Blogger shawn said...

Oh, and Dylan it said "HILARY SWANK" on the Vanity Fair you put on your post. Perhaps you don't know Swank and Duff are different names.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:49, Blogger shawn said...

Dylan, tell Korey not to lie on your blog. He said the viewer's guides are factless. Perhaps he got them confused with your videos.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:59, Blogger Manny said...

Dylan, tell Korey not to lie on your blog.

Dylan, for all his pretensions to play nice in the thread about the flight recorders (where he proved himself once again physiologically incapable of doing even the most basic research), is still lying himself. His latest is claiming that he did not dispute the airphone calls, when he did.

He is a terror supporter whom I hope gets stomach cancer and he will never, ever stop lying.

 
At 12 August, 2006 09:59, Blogger CHF said...

jp,

I've heard that the Chechen deportations were more the product of Stalin's madness than actual collaboration with the Nazis. Among those deported were hundreds of Chechens who had been honoured as 'heros' of the USSR in the fight against Hitler.

In fact, as I recall, the Nazis' southern front never made it far beyond Rostov.

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:04, Blogger CHF said...

Wow, it's the great Dylan Avery.

No, not knowing pop culture doesn't invalidate you intellect.

Your lying-sack-of-shit movie is what did that.

Hey, any luck finding those "still alive" hijackers? An interview with them would, I mean, totally destroy the official story. So might a few structural engineers or whistleblowers.

Good luck on both fronts, dude. Fight the power.

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:09, Blogger Manny said...

Islamofascism is a brilliant word conjured up by some ass in the administration to inflame the masses. It is idiotic...

In fact, it is entirely descripive of much of the forces waging war against us. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Ba'athist parties of Iraq and Syria, for example, have direct historical ties back to the European fascist movements, and Hezbollah takes its inspiration from those same movements. Wahhibism and it's spiritual children such as al Qaeda do not have a direct connection to the original fascists but share the same philosophy of government and many of the same tactics, such as terrorism. The mullahs in Iran are not fascists in the classical sense, but frankly calling them fascists is an insult to actual fascists, not to the mullahs.

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:13, Blogger shawn said...

Hezbollah takes its inspiration from those same movements.

Hmmm their salute looks awfully familiar...

Where have I seen it before?

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:34, Blogger Alex said...

Didn't the romans use the same salute? Anyway, that's hardly a relevant factor when considering how closely they may resemble Nazi faschism. A more relevant fact may be that Mein Kampf is a best seller in most of the muslim world.

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:48, Blogger shawn said...

Didn't the romans use the same salute?

It was also the American civilian salute prior to the war.

 
At 12 August, 2006 10:48, Blogger shawn said...

A more relevant fact may be that Mein Kampf is a best seller in most of the muslim world.

And like the Nazis (as with any antisemite worth his salt), they all buy the proved frogery the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an historical document.

 
At 12 August, 2006 12:05, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Dylan sticks his head in, leaves a pearl (not of wisdom) and then ducks out...lol

 
At 12 August, 2006 13:15, Blogger Smilodon said...

"ah, yes, i confused hillary swank with hillary duff, and that invalidates my intellect."

FWIW, the relevant Loose Change blog entry still says "Hillary Duff". This was originally posted on July 7.

 
At 12 August, 2006 20:26, Blogger parke2 said...

"First they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win"

Dylan, it seems you're at level two.

 
At 12 August, 2006 21:28, Blogger shawn said...

The quote is actually: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win."

Comparing Dylan to Gandhi is disgusting.

 
At 12 August, 2006 23:42, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

In which case, he is simultaneously in 2 and 3 right now. He will likely win, but not in the way his apostles think he will...he will sign a deal, make a "Real movie" because of his "fame", and then the cause, and his 5,000 diciples will be forgotten...

and my comparision is sarcastic...

 
At 13 August, 2006 06:59, Blogger JoanBasil said...

And it doesn't make sense. If they're REALLY worried about someone having liquids that could mix together and make a bomb, why would they be throwing the stuff together into the same trashcan - where it might mix together? Why wouldn't they be doing any kind of preliminary examination of the liquids so that if there was someone with a possible bomb-making substance they could take that person aside?

Its on the news this morning that "an attack was not imminent . . . the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452/

It makes no sense that people were put through this misery at the airports.

 
At 13 August, 2006 11:31, Blogger Safe-Keeper said...

In Dylan's case: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you lose.". Now you know:D!

Once upon a time in Norway, this elderly couple was passing through airport security when a narcotics/bomb dog "marked" them. The security team would never even have consider searching them if it was not for the dog, but it did turn out they were carrying narcotics.

And either way, who's to say 80-year olds can't be suicide hijackers? Is it really more unlikely that he/she would kill herself than that a 20-year old with the whole life ahead of him would? Elderly women can be just as hateful and crazy as us youngsters, you know.

I don't get it.

 
At 13 August, 2006 14:12, Blogger shawn said...

why would they be throwing the stuff together into the same trashcan - where it might mix together

Ever heard of a catalyst?

 
At 13 August, 2006 15:23, Blogger parke2 said...

Sorry for missing the laugh phase.... he's at level 3, hence the existence of this site.

 
At 13 August, 2006 15:38, Blogger parke2 said...

Sorry for missing the laugh phase.... he's at level 3, hence the existence of this site.

 
At 13 August, 2006 16:10, Blogger shawn said...

Sorry for missing the laugh phase.... he's at level 3, hence the existence of this site.

Yes, this site exists solely to attack Dylan Avery.

/sarcasm

 
At 13 August, 2006 16:23, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

well some of us are still laughing at his foolish video, so technically he is in both 2 and 3, as I said earlier.

 
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