Response to Dylan
Over at his blog he asks:
Hey, Screw Loose Change, have you got anything to say to the rescue workers who believe 9/11 was an inside job? It's astounding how quickly people can throw insults and conjecture from behind a monitor, but when it comes to face to face confrontation, these same people back down from any opportunity.
Go to any of the NYC 9/11 Truth meetings. Meet Craig Bartmer, David Miller, Kevin McPadden, Mike McCormick, tell any of those four people to their face that they're "kook Liberal conspiracy nutjobs"
Tell Willie Rodriguez he didn't hear explosions in the basement of the North Tower prior to the plane's impact. Tell Jose Sanchez, his co-worker, that he just imagined the entire thing and was confused.
I live in Phoenix, so going to a NYC 9/11 Truth meeting is not exactly in the cards, although I hope to make it to Ground Zero over the holidays.
As I have said several times, if Dylan and company were dedicated to proving that the government lied about the air quality after 9-11, they might find me on their side. I have not looked into this extensively but I did start a thread over at the JREF forums specifically to request information on this topic and am posting stories on that issue there as I find them. There is ample reason to believe that the air quality was unhealthy, even if you don't believe in the rest of 9-11 Denial. Now, it is also an open question as to what percentage of the first responders would have worked on the pile had the government admitted it was hazardous. I suspect the number would be high.
As for the first responders who believe 9-11 was an inside job, I suspect that's a very small percentage of the total. Dylan mentions four such people. The bit about us calling them "kook liberal conspiracy nutjobs" is a red herring; we never accuse people of being liberals for believing in 9-11 Denial. Kooks and conspiracy nutjobs? Sure. Willie Rodriguez is just plain wrong about his claim of bombs in the basement; why is he the only person to remember this? As the Popular Mechanics editors pointed out the person Willie described with skin hanging off, sounded more like he/she had been hit by a fireball than by an explosion.
posted by Pat @ 4:32 PM
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One witness says he heard explosions before the planes hit. Is everybody who didn't hear an explosion lying?
Is it possible Rodriguez actually just heard the plane hitting and got the timeline wrong because it was a traumatic experience?
More confirmation bias from the truthers.
I live in Phoenix
Best weather anywhere in the world right now.
No man, it makes WAY more sense for the government to start blowing up bombs before the plane even hits. Or at random intervals after they hit. Because, like, they WANTED people not to believe in the real story. That's the REAL coverup.
I don't know why these CT numbskulls can't get it through their heads that, if you wanted to use bombs, the only logical way would be to detonate them at the exact moment of impact. Either that or all at once when you wanted to initiate the collapse. No, the twoofers seem to think it's perfectly logical that some 4 year old kid got hold of the remote controls and started pushing the big red buttons at random.
Ask Mr. Rodriguez if he smelled jet feul, Dylan. I dare ya.
He'll say "no". At first I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, figuring maybe he was just confused about what happened. However, once he started claiming that the government offered him money in order to shut him up....yeah. Guy's a twoofer through and through.
tell any of those four people to their face that they're "kook Liberal conspiracy nutjobs
Gladly. Although I'd much rather go the South park route, and simply say "what are you, retarded?"
Some of you are SO CLOSE...
Have a look at this:
http://newtruth911.blogspot.com/
Dylan Avery is a gigantic douchebag. A 5 foot 7 pile of steaming horse shit.
What else can be said?
Signs his forum over to a bunch of 11-year olds to run it like it's the Italian Government, and then shuts the fucking thing down because he doesn't like to be criticized.
5,000 members (granted, 3,000 trolls) contributions deleted because his pussified ego can't handle the fact that his half a dozen retarded wannabe mod followers won't tow his line of shit.
Dylan you're a whiney little shit and your 15 minutes of fame are about over. Get fucked, Loser.
Roger, I assume you were close to what happened. tell us the real deal on what went on. I think it is a shame, even as a debunker, if Dylan simply deleted all those posts, and all that evidence. I would guess he had it backed up, and if not, i am sure the server/board host did.
It sure was interesting to watch the house of cards that Dylan built fall apart.
TAM
Awesome parody Farnsworth :)
"I'd love to see you take on Mark Roberts in a debate, Dylan.
You game?
Of course not. You're a coward."
Damn chf I was gonna say that. Great point though. Mr. Roberts has made it pretty clear that he will debate any of those turds and they always talk like they're up for the challenge, but the bottom line is that we're not seeing any debates here. Usual hypocritical truther bullshit.
Phoenix huh? I'm in Glendale. If there's ever a LC or Twoofer rally in the valley I'd be more than happy to come out and do the counter-idiot thing.
4 of the rescue workeres huh? Hell Steven Jones showed us that even physics professors can be wrong.
As long as they're good at being first responders I really don't care what they believe in their off time.
I always think of things too late. I'm sure someone would be more than happy to address Mr. Avery's group. Then I'm sure he'd be willing to return the favor by addressing the American Society of Civil Engineer's annual conference.
This is all in the spirit of the open exchange of ideas of course.
How do we know these people are actually part of the conspiracy movement and not just quote mining victims?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ive been banned from JREF.
???
There's no 'banned' statement next to your name. There's no announcement in the Public Announcement folders that you have been banned.
that PROVES i u lot couldnt handle me.
The only thing it proves is that you lie.
I totally destroyed you.
More lies.
but dont the clowns realise ill just re apply inder a different name and therefore be in an even better position to surrupticiously get quotes.
1) you are emotionally incapable of hiding your posting style.
2) You are lying as your original account was not banned.
3) JREF has had folks try that before. Look up 'Lucianarchy'.
Why are you lying to us?
odd for you to banned from JREF unless you broke one of the Rules of the forum. Certainly it wasnt for your opinion.
As for joining again, if you have been banned, it wouldn't be wise.
Too bad you couldnt simply follow the rules.
TAM
T.A.M., there's no notice of him being banned in the Public Announcements section and the word 'Banned' does not appear as his title.
He's lying.
telescope r u mental? i tried to log in and a window came up saying that i was either banned or suspended and if i disagreed i should click the link so i did and wrote a comment complaining. i have not told u cretins a single lie
Liar.
http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=12339
Your account is good standing.
"Banned from where? He's not been banned from here" -Darat, JREF administrator.
Its a bug. Get over yourself.
"Possible Log-In Bug: If you are auto-logged out you may see a message saying that your account has been suspended or banned. If this happens please try to log in again at: http://forums.randi.org/forumindex.php. I am attempting to locate the bug."
You had a big bowl of drama-flakes there, didn't you?
Talk about being clueless....
This is the kind of idiot who calls tech support during a power outage, screaming about his computer not working.
so will u please apologise for calling me a liar
i didnt lie, i had no reason to think a bug could do that
Two seconds of research would have revealed the problem.
You didn't even bother to find out the banning procedure, the rules, or anything. Otherwise you would have learned that JREF gives warnings and suspensions before banning and they announce them in the Public Announcements section.
You couldn't be bothered.
You preferred to ham it up and play the 'I was banned' victim card, then speculate like a nutcase about 'reasons' you were banned. All of them were untrue.
Then their is William Rodriguez, a worker at the towers. He now says he heard explosions in the basement but that's not what he said before he became a media star and sued the government.
William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building.
"We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off."
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/new.york.terror/
Here he is describing something very different than an explosion. The change in his story came after he became a media star and plaintiff.
Conspiracy theorists take quotes out of context in order to sell the idea. An example of just how easy it is to take ear witness accounts out of context is below...
William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building.
"We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off."
Rodriguez, who had keys to the elevators, began climbing the upper levels of the tower with a police officer to help trapped people. He saw firefighters weighted with rescue equipment catching their breath on the 39th floor.
Rodriguez escaped and said he later saw people who had jumped or fallen from the building embedded in the sidewalk. "There was a woman that looked like she had melted into the cement," he said.
1)wheres ur evidence?
Rodriguez describes a person with severe burns. He says something akin to their skin nearly falling off from the burnt flesh.
Explosive charges do not burn victims. They tear them apart.
QED.
not true, o'reilly had someone else arrested, falsely of course
Evidence?
i didnt lie, i had no reason to think a bug could do that
Where's the "any" key?
Follow the link
Heck, if he actually did a movie based on the air quality and suggested that the government should take responsibility for it, I would be on the bastard's side.
It is exactly and precisely because Dylan, Pdo and their fellow terrorist supporters have ginned up so much attention to his lying bullshit that legitimate complaints like that of air quality, post-disaster health tracking and engineering and operational changes to high-rise buildings does not get the attention it deserves.
anyway, if u are next to bomb it will blow you apart but if you are say 50 ft from a small bomb it is feasible u could just be burnt
I have no intention of actually debating anything with this idiot, but I can't let patently false statements like this one go unchallenged. Too many people read this blog, I'd rather not have them walking away with the wrong information. So here goes: explosives do not burn people. Take that as a statement of authority from someone with 9 years service in the combat arms. If you're unsure, ask any soldier. The holywood myth of giant flaming fireballs being created by C4 or grenades is just silly. Explosives kill and damage through concussion, not fire. Anyone who's ever worked with them would know this, and since P'doh over there claims he's used explosives before, this is just another example of him being a bold-faced liar.
Playdoh, is that 76 in your name indicative of the year you were born?
'Cause to be honest with you, if it is, your actions and tone here belie your age. I suggest changing it to 92 in order to more accurate reflect your teenage personality.
You would think someone with a fake degree would use better grammar.
Sigh....
Along with better spelling, better logic, better research skills, better critical thinking skills, and better data analysis skills.
In other words, you'd expect him not to be such a retard.
On the other hand, all we have to do is look at Fetzer, Jones, and the Kibbler Tree Lady, and we realize that having a diploma really doesn't guarantee much.
i guess im just a fun guy
You just insulted mushrooms.
Manny, that was just horrible :)
how bout u brave boys come to a truth event and call everyone a retard?
answer: fear
Listen Retard,
I will gladly call you many many names in person, and I'll happily fight you or any one of your ilk, no holds barred.
Come to my dojo, we'll gladly get it on.
You'll need to sign a waiver so when you are hospitalized you can't sue me, but thats just a legal technicality.
Although the comments have drifted from the original post, I'd like to comment here.
There have been three separate "I Hate Abby Scott" threads on the lc message board. One of which encouraged by Dylan Avery. The third Vanity video from 9/9 begins with people complaining about me. I have received snarky emails from Dylan Avery.
I was right there on 9/9. He could have said anything he wanted to to me. But he chose to do it behind a monitor and through video.
The hypocrisy is palpable.
Oh, and pdoherty? Please do not take those statements as me hitting on you. I know that you are unused to women and that any woman talking seems as if she's trying to be sexual, but I assure you that is not the case.
grow up tosser, id break u in half
Please, come prove it. Anytime.
I live right near NYC, so when you come to GZ for your trutherfest I'll gladly meet you.
You are a pussy.
And its Jujitsu, not karate. Thats where I got my screen name. But I guess you are too stupid to know that.
Seriously, anytime. Come on down. You are personally invited to try to "break me in half".
It would make my year to beat the living crap out of a truther. We can even get the special olympics to sanction it, so I don't get in trouble for beating up the retarded (thats sarcasm you moron).
Like I said, all you have to do is show up and sign a waiver.
Not that you will, you don't live here, I know. But I do travel to the UK and have friends with dojo's in London. Maybe we could arrange something on my next trip?
Or are you just a big talking pussy?
But actually i was just arrested 2 weeks ago for kicking the crap out of one of you pricks passing out literature just outside of UT's campus.
That's pretty much why I don't go. I have a career to protect. As much fun as it would be to physically drag one of these bastards into Ten House it's not worth losing my job over.
Stop feeding the troll gents. At least (and I can;t believe I'm saying this) NaziNYC didn't lie intentionally, and had a decent air of composure about him most of the time. This new lunatic truly needs to be put out of his misery. Can't let him pollute the gene pool. In the meantime though, there's no need to let him pollute the comments section too. Stop responding and he'll disappear. It's that simple.
That's pretty much why I don't go. I have a career to protect.
Me too. I wouldn't be able to hold back.
But if they would come to my dojo, and sign a waiver. Well, then maybe we could even sell tickets.
The only problem I forsee is my guilt after crippling the mentally challenged.
But I'll get over it.
im not a homosexual but those loose change boys arent bad lookin
bet they get a lot of girls, what with them being famous filmmakers
what a life! and to think that they know ur all watching them, and ur all waiting for their next video for you to debunk
i swear thats why they do it
Exactly!
This was NEVER about truth or justice to a kid like Avery. It's about attention. It's about being a rockstar to thousands of people.
That's what's so appalling. He's basically taking advantage of people who are naive, just looking for answers to the most surreal day of their lives, or just plain stupid.
If the evidence holds up, take it to court. Take it to the proper authorities. Do something.
Don't just try to garble up as much press coverage as possible.
Nobody who seriously cared about the truth movement and isn't retarded would've been happy by being called a retard multiple times on South Park by extension.....
And I'm making the assumption that he isn't retarded because Loose Change actually is a well made film. The way evidence and footage is cherrypicked is spliced together takes an enormous amount of time and ability.
The fact that they're claiming deliberate errors were put in to encourage research and their behavior after the fact is proof positive that Dylan Avery doesn't give a fuck about the rescue workers he's naming in his blog. They're just fucking props to him and it's sickening.
Nobody who truly cares about truth is so resistant to any challenging of his claims and dismisses evidence so easily out of hand.
People who actually give a shit about the truth constantly challenge every belief they hold.
Anyone who doesn't do the proper non-filtered reading of info on 9/11 (and reviews both sides, while keeping in mind any obvious agendas) is full of shit if they claim to just want answers or the truth. All they want is stuff that supports the "truth" they already believe and won't bend on.
I don't know how much attention the loosers would get from the fairer sex. After all, Michael Moore is even more famous, but he probably hasn't touched a woman in a decade without having to pay for it. I don't care how famour Bermas gets, he'll always be one truly UGLY bastard.
Such an interesting world PuD lives in:
If we confront troother: We are dangerous stalkers.
If we do not confront troothers: We are cowards.
so why are u giving him that attention tym?
Because what he's saying is egregiously wrong, it can not be said without someone stepping up and calling "bullshit" on it.
Ignoring conspiracy theories doesn't work. You have to shine a light on em and point out every lie, half-truth, distortion, bias, and crap in them and counteract their lies with actual facts.
Ignoring this shit is the reason stuff like Loose Change got as big as it is now.
I work as an admin on a board with roughly 50,000 members. If I didn't have to see a topic or debate on this stuff at least once a week, I would be more than content to not waste so much time reading everything I can find just so I can be that much more efficient in refuting it.
A blog like SLC does a valuable service by keeping tabs on these shitheads and keeping a record of the bullshit claims they make on a near daily basis.
Technically,
One poster admitted to violence, and a couple of others (myself included) would love love love to beat the crap out of you, but won't unless you agree to a fair fight and sign a waiver.
Thats hardly "lots"
pdoherty76
You answered one of my simple questions now how about the others? They are very simple. The reason I ask is so I can get an Idea if you really know what you are talking about or just blowing smoke like all the toofers. It is simply about your credibility. Many people talk the talk like you do but I really dought that you can walk the walk. You have yet to address anything I have posted or anyone else for that matter. Everything has been explained in great detail. You have yet to give the same explaination of your theories, all we get from you is opinion, conjecture and speculation.
Give us your qualifications for anaylsis?
Tell us about all your mechanical design experience
Tell us about all your mechanical design experience with Structrial Dynamics
Tell us about all your experience with aircraft investigators.
Which crashes did you investigate?
Tell us about all your mechanical design experience with airplanes. Which ones have you worked on?
Tell us about all your experience with building design
Tell us about all your mechanical design experience with missles. which one have you designed?
telescope look a few posts above...lots of u admitting to violence, their words not mine
Once again, your inept interpetation skills are showing.
fair fight? yeah dead fair when ur the karate kid and im not
You are the one who started with all the big talk. Don't go crying now. None of us mentioned anything physical until you started in with calling us cowards and worse. Now your blubbery, lazy ass got called out and you are crying a river. boo-hoo.
so why do u object to my blog, it keeps tabs on the shite u lot swew
Who has even mentioned your blog? Besides you trying to pimp it like a cheap hooker, that is.
Oh wait, Cass noted that you act like a fool looking for stuff for the blog. That's about it in this thread.
Once again, you lie. You sure do that a lot.
steven jones would dismantle your arse then hand it to u
Phtttt. Don't make me laugh. Steven Jones thinks the 2nd law of thermodynamics means 'Things topple over'.
so why do u object to my blog, it keeps tabs on the shite u lot swew
fair exchange no robbery
Who said I care about, much less object, to your blog?
I read it once.
Your inability to form a sentence and present a cohesive argument does the work for us.
And you kindof do a piss-poor job at it by cherry-picking distorting comments from here in lieu of dealing with actual rebuttals to points.
Nobody cares about you. You're not even a blip on the radar screen. Do whatever you want.
Jones is a whak job who is out of his element period. He lines to uae buzzwords and babble.
What are his qualifications in building demolitition?
Which ones has he investigated?
What are his qualifications in aircraft crashes?
Which ones has he investigated?
What are his qualifications in Structrial Dynamics?
What are his qualifications in mechanical design?
Steven E. Jones is a professor at Brigham Young University. He has created the paper which has created the ground swell around the 911 conspiracy theories. His paper was peer reviewed but not by a civil engineering journal. One would think a serious professor would get his paper peer reviewed by a scientific journal which specializes in the field they are writing the paper on.
But is Professor Jones qualified to create a paper which says the towers must have fallen due to explosives? He is a physics professor but what experience does Jones have in building collapse forensics? He has none. His other peer reviewed papers consist of cold fusion technology. He conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy. Nothing in his background would suggest he is qualified to write a civil engineering paper on the infinitely complex building collapse of the towers.
are u a professional idiot telescope? hes a professor and ur a graduate
Please. He's been dipping electroplates into heavy water for most of his career.
his problem is with the angular momentum of the top of the south tower which could not have ceased unless the centre of mass disappeared
His problem is that he assumes that the cantilever point is fixed, which is not the case. What he is seeing is not angular momentum. This has been explained in Engineer works plenty of times. For example, the diagrams done by these folks (whoa re real engineers)
http://www.luxinzheng.net/publications/english_WTC.htm
Not that it is relevant, because when he said that 'topples over' bit HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WTC7!
And its still freaking idiotic to refer to this as relating to the 2nd law of Thermodynamics!
notice how telescope runs away when i ask a hard question
Wow. It was what, 11 minutes between your 'hard question' and this?
Very sad.
fair fight? yeah dead fair when ur the karate kid and im not
So now you concede you won't "Break me in half".
Thats the first sign of intelligence you've shown.
so how did he become a proffessor by dipping plates into water?
Read up on the Cold Fusion fiasco of the late 80's sometime.
call me old fashioned but wouldnt he have to write a doctoral thesis and then do substantial work to be a professor?
Yes. I rather doubt his thesis was in structures and engineering design.
in that 11 mins telescope u didnt just search google for it did u by any chance
It was eleven minutes between your 'question' and your boasting. I was at lunch.
And no, I wasn't googling. I've had that link for ages. I keep it around since it shows that engineers outside the USA pretty much know what happened to the towers.
That it answers the Jones nonsense you promote is a bonus.
Now tell us how the 2nd law of thermodynamics means 'things topple over'.
how is cold fusion a fiasco?
You might want to read the book: Bad Science, The short life and times of Cold Fusion.
Jones is mentioned in there a lot. He was the #3 person in that whole fiasco. The only reason he wasn't completely toasted is because Pons & Fleischmann made such asses of themselves that he managed to evade serious criticism.
the guy is a nuclear physicist and yet u just disparage him
Because he is out of his field. He making idiotic statements. You claim to have a degree in Physics. Do you really think that the 2nd law of Thermodynamics says 'Things topple over'?
Answer that question.
Wow. It was what, 11 minutes between your 'hard question' and this?
Retards often have a poor sense of time. They're like puppies that way -- leave them for a second and they either forget all about your existence or whine because they think you're never coming back. You came up on the short end of those two possibilities.
wheres ur proof he said this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586
Nearly 13 minutes in:
"Not what I would expect from the law of entropy, which is, 'things topple over.' "
werent the men looking for cold fusion trying something good
What they did was end aroudn the scientific method in the name of their own self-promotion.
That was bad enough. But then they lied and lied and lied about their results. Read 'Bad Science'.
werent the men looking for cold fusion trying something good
like steven jones.
How's the trolling today, PD? Come up with any evidence of U.S. complicity in 9/11 yet?
ok his entropy quote is insane, but why would a nuclear physicist say something so ridiculou
Do you think having a degree of any sort makes someone immune to being crazy and/or incompetent?
evening burke, uve finished wanking ove a gigabyte of porn and i was ur first thought in post orgasm bliss
im flattered
It was your mom's webcam, how could I help but think of you ;)
Now where's that evidence?
Thermite is nothing more than a buzzword for the toofer's and like Pd none will ever answer simple questions
oh look abbys run away, she must have sensed she wasnt getting any cock
You don't date much, do you.
PD, I couldn't care less if these guys didn't like me. I love the rockstar status I've gotten. I'm just commenting on the hypocrisy.
And I'm just as turned on by Jason Bermas as I am you.
PDoherty,
What have you done for the truth movement? C'mon, hero, tell us what lengths you've gone to defend the truth. Or do you feel your time is best spent doing what you are currently doing?
"All Jones basically did was toss the word "thermite" out there and the shit-for-brains twoofers have been running with it ever since without knowing the first thing about it."
Amen. These idiots take every word that Dylan and AJ say as gospel. They are retarded. I'm willing to bet that Dylan could convince one of those gullible dipshits to lick his taint. Hmmm, wonder how that would sound......
CTist:Dude, you're Dylan Avery.Like, what's up dude?You're so cool man.
DA:Yeah dude, like LC is the shit, it's uuhhh, like doin' great man. We're really pickin' up momentum here. Listen though man. Like, all it takes is a little common sense to know that you should, uuhh, like totally lick my taint. It's like seriously not gay man, and uuhhhhhh, it definitely tastes like peaches and cream.Yup. Nooooo question about it.
CT: All it takes is a little common sense? Like, I have that. I'm so smart. Peaches and cream? No question about it? Sweet dude!! Spread 'em!!
I can ask pdoherty, for the fifth or sixth time, to tell us what he finds wrong with the Popular Mechanics book, the NIST report, the Protec paper, Dr. Greening's papers, etc. etc., but we all get the picture. He will ignore me. He won't ever attempt to show us what seduced him into the Bizarro World of the conspiracy liars, for a very simple reason: He didn't require any seducing. His hatred of America placed him in the tinfoil-hat brigade right from the start.
Pdoherty pretends to follow Steven Jones's argument, but he won't address Dr. Greening's refutation of it. See 911myths.com, the section on WTC (Demolition).
pomeroo
Like all the toofers they will never address anything with facts, all they have is the same mindless babble
Good point pomeroo, only problem is that if and when they read a rebuttal to any of their bullshit, they will claim that it's not credible because whoever wrote it is a government shill, or a robot, or a sheep, or a sheeple, or whatever the fuck other words they like to say to make themselves feel cool. They are absolutely PATHETIC. Oh, and they're retarded. And gullible. And did I mention that they're retarded?
Pdoherty does a lot for the truth movement!
He makes em look even dumber by association (no small feat)
He proves the assertion that alot of twoofers are really just so caught up in their own hatred of the US government that they'll believe ANYTHING that fits into their preconceived notions (or "prejudices" if you wanna just call a spade a spade).
He also proves that when shit in the 911 Retard movement is shot down that there really isn't a very good factual basis for any counter-arguments and the subject gets changed or the question deflected.
He's invaluable to the movement. Or rather invaluable our movement. 100 of the best conspiracy-busters on the internet couldn't make Twoofers look as bad in a month as this kid does in a given day.
Also he shatters the mythe of the more intelligent and sophisticated english people.
Well said.
my main interest is not 911 truth, its the defense of free speech and i defend it by saying what the fuck i like
Please name one time where anyone here said that these people didn't have the right to say what they do. One time where I did.
Your efforts would be better served volunteering at the ACLU.
you would love to silence people
You seem to believe that the right to free speech means the right to speak without reaction.
i refer again to bill o'reilly calling on the fbi to investigate fetzer
Bill O'Reilly doesn't post here. Your efforts are wasted.
proof that o'reilly doesnt post here?
How did these guy survive past birth?
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I believe Bill said "IF", big difference
"my main interest is not 911 truth, its the defense of free speech and i defend it by saying what the fuck i like"
If your interest is not 9/11 truth then what the fuck are you doing here every day? There's gotta be a free speech forum out there somewhere. And all you assholes ever wanna talk about anymore is free speech, and fascism, and our rights being taken away, but have you ever noticed that on the truther forum anyone who disagrees is banned? Talk about being blackballed and ridiculed. Dylan dipshit wouldn't know the first thing about it, but he sure as hell likes to preach about it and expects morons to buy into it, and act like everybody treats them like shit for being morons, but the real truth is that there are a shitload of countries where you would be either be dead or in jail by now for the shit you say about the government. Believe it or not, free speech is still alive.Maybe not thriving, but alive. Truthers are a perfect example of hypocrisy at it's absolute worst.
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"im getting sick of being called a terrorist supporter just because i dont accept what the government spoon feeds me"
If the truthers don't want to be called terrorists, they need to stop saying that Bush is a terrorist, and that all of us "Bush apologists" are terrorists for not believing all of their bullshit. Sorry that we rely on evidence before we jump to conclusions. And the only real evidence contradicts basically every claim from LC. Also, why would any of you be offended by being called on as it seems that none of you believe that Islamic extremists exist. After all, OBL said it himself..It was planned by people for personal reasons....He lives in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and the current leader does not allow such operations. The worst part might be that people have actually posted on this blog that we know he didn't do it because the quote from LC said so. How retarded do you have to be to actaully think that quote has an ounce of credibility?
proof that o'reilly doesnt post here?
i have been called a terrorist supporter here, if u dont condemn that abby then in my humble opinion ur a disgrace
And this comment wasn't disgraceful?
oh look abbys run away, she must have sensed she wasnt getting any cock
You are a hypocrite. Worse, you believe you are fighting the good fight by the insults. And are taking no action whatsoever.
I think if your issue is with Bill O'Reilly, you would be better served contacting him. My guess is that you have not. You are just another internet coward.
Damn that last post gave me a raging clue. The truthers apparently all buy into that quote from OBL, which is pathetic enough.Not like we need more evidence to prove that the CTists are retards, but don't they claim that Bin Laden was in Pakistan when the attacks happened? How can he be in two places at once you morons? It's either one or the other, which is it? And don't start another conspiracy theory, just say where he was. I have to go change my pants now, I got clue goo everywhere.
pdoherty76 said...
"wrong, bill has already got someone arrested by the fbi
it was a threat"
Hey Doherty you moron someone already asked you who he got arrested. Wierd you haven't answered yet. Oh wait, no it isn't. You can't even come up with an answer for a claim that you made. And if you do have an answer then put it out there. If he got someone arrested, what is his/her name? All we want is the name, and if you can't provide it, then you are in essence admitting that you are full of shit, and that you are so desperate that you will make something up to make yourself look right. And I know you're gonna read this because you attached it to the stupid post that you wrote about how everyone here is a potential murderer because of John Lennon. Are you retarded?
Famous people are stalked all the time dipshit. Nobody here is stalking Dylan Avery. He is a useless human being. He doesn't have to be useless, but he, as well as all of you conspiracy theorists, chooses to be by wasting time spreading factual fallacies all over the place, and ignoring the real terrorists. You know, those Islamic extremists.
And even if somebody here wanted to off Dylan, which nobody does(just cause you guys are retarded and we all know you are, doesn't mean we encourage your death), it wouldn't matter. In fact with all of the infighting going on with you morons, I wouldn't be surprised if some truthers want him gone right now. We know old Phil does.
If anyone has a Problem with Dylan, then you have a problem with me first. That goes for Kor, and J. Fuck with them, you fuck with me. Don't fuck with me. Seriously just don't!!!!
If anyone has a problem with Dylan then you have a problem with me first. That goes for Jason, and Kor. Fuck with them, you fuck with me. Don't Fuck with me, Seriously just Don't!!!!
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