Guest Post On Mineta and Cheney
(Disclaimer: I am posting this article by Adam in the interests of presenting both sides of the story, and because it is well-written and extensively researched. As I mentioned to Adam in an email, this is the essence of good investigative blogging; taking online resources and comparing them to other resources available off-line. Neither James nor I endorse the contents of this post.)
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Norman Mineta, the acting Secretary of Transportation on 9/11, testified before the 9/11 Commission in a public hearing that he entered the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) at 9:20 a.m. where Vice President Dick Cheney was in charge. In his testimony, Mineta explained that “probably about five or six minutes” after he entered the PEOC, he observed a conversation between Dick Cheney and a young aide.
“… during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"”
Mineta's Testimony [VIDEO] (00:03:54)
This testimony contradicts the findings in the 9/11 Commission Report because according to its revised version of events, Cheney did not enter the PEOC until 9:58. Accounts by Richard Clark, a White House photographer, ABC News and Cheney himself, all place Cheney in the PEOC long before the Pentagon was struck. The 9/11 Commission Report explains that F-16 fighter jets were not attempting to shoot down the plane that hit the Pentagon, as previous sources state, but were instead chasing a phantom aircraft. The military was not notified at 9:24 about the plane approaching the Pentagon (as previous public records and testimony showed), but instead claims that the military only learned, by chance, that AA 77 was lost at 9:34, minutes prior to the impact. Mineta’s testimony proves that Cheney knew about the incoming aircraft with sufficient time to intercept and shoot it down, thereby saving the 125 victims who died at the Pentagon. The orders that the young man was referring to when he asked if “the orders still stand” must have been orders to stand down and allow the aircraft to hit the Pentagon. This proves that 9/11 was an inside job.
Three Questions for Supporters of the Official Story:
Question 1: Did Mineta witness a conversation between a "young man" and Dick Cheney where the "young man" said "the plane is 50 miles out"? (Yes/No)
Supporter of the Official Story Answers: Yes
Question 2: Did Mineta witness this conversation before or after the Pentagon was hit? (Before/After)
Supporter of the Official Story Answers: After
Question 3: If this conversation occurred after the Pentagon was hit, why would Mineta think that the young man and Cheney were discussing the plane approaching the Pentagon?
Supporter of the Official Story Answers: Due to the confusion of the day, Mineta was mistaken about the time this conversation occurred and based on this; he incorrectly assumed it was the flight that struck the Pentagon. This conversation occurred sometime after 9:58 and therefore could not have been concerning the plane that struck the Pentagon.
But what if I could prove to you that Norman Mineta was not confused about the time he entered the PEOC? What if I could prove that Mineta did witness this conversation before the Pentagon was struck? What if I could prove that Dick Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:58? What if i could prove Cheney was in the PEOC even before 9:20? Would you conclude that Mineta’s testimony is accurate and that Cheney did know about the plane approaching the Pentagon? Would you conclude that the 9/11 commission report covered this up and that we need a new investigation?
Mineta testified that he “met briefly with Richard Clark[e]” and was then escorted down to the PEOC. It was after this that he stated that the plane crashed into the Pentagon.
Richard Clarke described in his book “Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror” his account of the events in the White House. Since he was the man in charge on 9/11, I could not imagine a more credible source. Richard Clarke confirms Mineta’s timeline of when he arrived in the PEOC and when Cheney was in the PEOC. He directly contradicts the 9/11 commission report in many areas. He clearly explains that Cheney would have definitely been in the PEOC before 9:28. He also states that his brief meeting with Mineta also occurred before 9:28 and that Mineta also joined the Vice President in the PEOC before 9:28. Richard Clarke could not possibly be confused about his timeline, as further evident by his notice of when the President made his address on CNN and when the Pentagon was struck.
I’ve quoted from his book and left “…” spaces to leave out sections that are irrelevant to this discussion. This is given in chronological order, and “…” spaces represent events occurring and the passing of time. Therefore notice that Clarke sent Mineta to the PEOC before 9:28, and Mineta’s recollection of the time of 9:20 proves to be accurate considering Clarke’s narrative. Clarke explains that Mineta called in from his car, went briefly to the Situation Room where Clarke sent Mineta to the PEOC to be with Vice President Dick Cheney. Also, Mineta was only 1.7 miles away when he left for the White House. Therefore when he called in from his car, he would have only been a few minutes away at most from the White House.
Richard Clarke’s Book:
Cheney began to gather up his papers. In his outer office the normal Secret Service presence was two agents. As I left, I counted eight, ready to move to the PEOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, a bunker in the East Wing.
“You’re going to need some decisions quickly,” Rice said off camera. “I’m going to the PEOC to be with the Vice President. Tell us what you need.”
“What I need is an open line to Cheney and you.”
Shortly thereafter, Mineta called in from his car and I asked him to come directly to the Situation Room. He had two sons who were pilots for United. He did not know where they were that day. I suggested he join the Vice President.
It was now 9:28.
The television screen in the upper left was running CNN on mute. Noticing the President coming on, Lisa turned on the volume and the crisis conference halted to listen.
Garvey read from a list: “All aircraft have been ordered to land at the nearest field. Here’s what we have as potential hijacks: Delta 1989 over West Virginia, United 93 over Pennsylvania…”
Stafford slipped me a not. “Radar shows aircraft headed this way.” Secret Service had a system that allowed them to see what FAA’s radar was seeing
Ralph Seigler stuck his head into the room, “there has been an explosion in the Pentagon parking lot, maybe a car bomb!”
Roger Cressey stepped back into the video conference and announced: “A plane just hit the Pentagon.”
“I can still see Rumsfeld on the screen,” I replied, “so the whole building didn’t get hit”.
Now, if you would like to hear the whole story from the mouth of Richard Clarke himself, he narrated his book. After listening to him read his full account, I ask you if this man seems confused about his timeline? Could there be a more credible source? Could you want any more proof that Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:58? Well, there is more proof, but the fact that Mineta’s testimony agrees with Clarke’s account is indisputable proof that Mineta and Cheney were in the PEOC before the Pentagon was struck.
Part 1 [1.3 MB] – 3min 56sec
Part 2 [1.4 MB] – 4min 04sec
Part 3 [1.7 MB] – 5min 01sec
Part 4 [1.5 MB] – 4min 30sec
And if you needed any more proof, Cheney himself admitted that he was in the PEOC with Mineta before the Pentagon was struck on Meet the Press, September 16th, 2001.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: ... Once I left that immediate shelter, after I talked to the president, urged him to stay away for now, well, I went down into what's call a PEOC, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, and there, I had Norm Mineta...
MR. RUSSERT: Secretary of Transportation.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: ...secretary of Transportation, access to the FAA. I had Condi Rice with me and several of my key staff people. We had access, secured communications with Air Force One, with the secretary of Defense over in the Pentagon. We had also the secure videoconference that ties together the White House, CIA, State, Justice, Defense--a very useful and valuable facility. We have the counterterrorism task force up on that net. And so I was in a position to be able to see all the stuff coming in, receive reports and then make decisions in terms of acting with it.
But when I arrived there within a short order, we had word the Pentagon's been hit.
Between Popular Mechanics, Debunking 9/11 Myths, Screw Loose Change, or any debunking site, no one has ever even attempted to publish an explanation for Mineta's testimony. These groups have attempted to debunked virutally every single claim made by the 9/11 truth movement except this one. Is Mineta's testimony undebunkable?
To debunk this testimony you must start with an explanation for when Cheney entered the PEOC. This is what the debate boils down too. This question must be addressed first, and any other arguments are a distraction from this central claim. Explain how Mineta and Clarke could be so mistaken, how their testimony is inaccurate, and explain why the evidence that says that Cheney entered the PEOC at 9:58 is more credible.