Well, Is the 9-11 Denial Movement Being Infiltrated?
No, I'm not talking about our reptilian overlords here; of course they've infliltrated the movement. But you know the old joke, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that somebody isn't trying to kill you.
Here's an extremely paranoid post from Nico Haupt (yes, I know that's redundant) on the 9-11 movement that makes me wonder. It's hard to follow, but the essential point he's making here is that the 9-11 Denial Movement is being infiltrated by people with different agendas than their supposed commitment to 9-11 Denial.
Now before you all roll your eyes, would we agree that Holocaust Deniers and "Anti-Zionists" have jumped on the 9-11 Denial bandwagon for purposes of their own?
Haupt says:
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| I consider the 9/11 Truth Movement as a CULT. We're all currently 'victims' of this cult concept, among them honest and once respected 9/11 Researchers plus former members of the 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance (2002-2006). |
As some 9-11 Truthers already know. Bob Bowman, who's one of the "faces" of 9-11 Truth, is not only a failed congressional candidate (and apparently a planned 9-11 Truth Party Presidential contender), but he's the head of his own branch of the Catholic Church. Webster Tarpley's a former spokesman for Lyndon LaRouche. And we all noticed the theologians among the "Scholars" for 9-11 "Truth"--David Ray Griffin's just the high priest.
9-11 Denial is a big business right now. Many factors have resulted in this happening, but the point is there's a significant market for this crap, and there's quite a fight over who's going to get the market share. We look at things like "Star Wars Beam" and shake our heads, but it's going to sell DVDs, especially when Bob "I ran Star Wars under Carter and Ford" Bowman endorses it.
But on the other side of the equation are the True Believers. This is the side of 9-11 Denial that we only see when a kamikaze comes over here and pledges to demolish us all with their amazing 9-11 conspiracy proof. I agree with Gravy for the most part on this. The vast majority of Deniers, including probably Avery and Bermas, really believe what they say, although (as we have seen) they are willing to lie to get across the thin ice of their theories.
Of course, the post by Haupt is entertaining as heck to read, because he's knocking all the "plane-huggers" and even some of his fellow no-planers. And us, of course. William Rodriguez comes in for some attention in that regard (in part II of this post, found here):
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| Rodriguez' former mentor is ironically James Randi. His forum is organizing since months flagwavers to infiltrate 911blogger.com, together with shill associates from screwloosechange blog or ConspiracySmasher. ConspSmash also works with other shills like "Skyking@scientist.com", a clear US Intelligence Daisy Committee, currently distracting with trollery on conventional controlled demolition, keeping less 'woken up' 9/11 Truthlings and flagwaver dupes busy with old school science or junk science, to distract from 9/11 TV fakery (months ago) and now ExoW. |
ExoW means Exotic Weapons, aka Star Wars Beam from Space. Note that Nico is not quite ready to throw out Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, since they are apparently no-planers.
My only complaint is that we should be considered flagwaver dupes and not shill associates. But despite the temptation to laugh this all off, I want to say here that I strongly suspect that Nico is right about the infiltration of 9-11 Denial.
posted by Pat @ 8:38 PM
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47 Comments:
I'm initiating formal coverage on my blog of Alex Jones. My first installment is here: Alex Jones Watch: Installment #1
It is about Alex getting the Seattle Xmas Tree story wrong on his radio broadcast.
I don't believe Avery believes the inside job nonsense, but Bermas almost certainly does.
default.xbe said...
I support the tenor of you comments.
I would offer these thoughts:
The no-planers, which may include people like David Shaylor and Morgan Reynolds, are a tiny group of people. Nico has been active and capable. The number of individuals who are "inflitrators" has been extensive enough to encourage infighting or "civil war" within the movement.
I am sympathetic to the no-planers, in their claim that the evidence points to something other than impact of the towers by Commercial Jetliners. I think Nico hangs his hat on saying that the 2nd impact (Tower #2) was a "inject" video of the plane on live TV and has a specific theory that explains how it was done.
I consider myself someone who has followed his argument closely and who tenatively rejects it.
I don't expect my comments here to impress most people (maybe not any) here, because your take on 9/11 is that there are no huge anomolies that need to be explained for the issue to be put to bed.
I think it's safe to say that most "no planers" have many more issues with the behavior of the 9/11 Truth leadership beyond the plane / no plane issue.
Shawn, I'm pretty sure all the Loose Change crew are legit in their general belief in 9-11 Denial. The problem is that they're willing to lie in support of a "higher truth", which is what makes it appear that they don't legitimately believe in it and are snake-oil salesmen.
I think this is another area where the lack of a unified theory hurts the 9-11 Truth movement.
Without any mean to deviate from, it's difficult for an outsider to tell the sincere believers in the movement from those who would co-opt it to their own selfish ends.
In other words, how exactly would you identify an infiltrator?
Let me get this straight: the best you can come up with to debunk Bob Bowman is ".. he's the head of his own branch of the Catholic Church." You've got to do WAY better than that.. Good for for him for rejecting the corruption of the Catholic Church, why would you imply that it's somehow a bad thing? Sounds like you're clutching at straws to me.. Attempts to smear Bowman aren't going to work with anybody who's actually informed about him.
Here's a note about he religious activities: "Dr. Bowman has preached at the National Cathedral and at churches of many faiths, including Roman Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, and Orthodox Christian Churches, Jewish synagogues, and a Muslim mosque. He has been keynote speaker for religious and clergy conferences nationwide and has spoken at theological seminaries and at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. He has appeared on many Christian radio and TV talk shows, including the 700 Club, and three times had his own radio talk show."
Being the head of the Star Wars program under presidents Ford and Carter and being an established old-school insider makes his allegations credible..
Here's some credentials: "Col. Bowman was Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the Air Force Space Division. In that capacity, he controlled about half a billion dollars worth of space programs, including the "Star Wars" programs, the existence of which was (at that time) secret. Dr. Bowman taught at five colleges and universities, serving as Associate Professor, Department Head, and Assistant Dean. From 1971 to 1974, Dr. Bowman was responsible for Air Force and NASA contracts in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Southern Asia. In 1969 and 1970, Col. Bowman flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is active in national and international professional societies and chaired eight major conferences. His PhD is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. Dr. Bowman has lectured at the National War College, the United Nations, Congressional Caucuses, the Academies of Science of six nations, and the House of Lords."
Here's a great audio interview with him, if you click on the link it will open right in your media player such as iTunes:
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/audio/alexJones/alexJones_colRobertBowman_01.m3u
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=2325
December 13, 2006
Steven "Los Alamos" Jones biggest Traitor of U.S. since George Westinghouse (1880)
By ewing2001
Steven "Los Alamos" Jones biggest Traitor of U.S. since George Westinghouse (1880)
911bloglines editorial
by Nico Haupt
December 13, 2006
In the 1880s George Westinghouse and Thomas Edison turned into Energy Traitors by becoming adversaries due to Edison's promotion of direct current (DC) for electric power distribution.
Nicola Tesla devised at the same time a system for generation, transmission, and use of AC power.
First he partnered with George Westinghouse.
But only a few years later they sabotaged Tesla by supporting the AC project or Thomas Edison.
Eventually, Edison's General Electric company converted to the AC system and began manufacture of AC machines...
In 1989 the U.S. was betrayed again by the U.S. Department of Energy, with the help of Steven E. Jones ("Heavywatergate"), by blocking a free energy project, Cold Fusion.
Silently however, inner U.S. Military circles developed a military arm of it.
(Photo: Cold fusion cell at the US Navy Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center San Diego (2005), which is a big network hub contractor of SAIC, also supporting their
Naval Warfare Systems.
SAIC is furthermore strongly connected with NSA and listed among its largest contracts one called "Trailblazer Technical Development Program, (globalfreepress reported in 2004)" which happened to be part of the very same StarWars/Directed Energy Program, which existence is currently oppressed from the leadership of the 9/11 Truth Movement (Bowman, Jones, Hoffman, all three themselves basically linked to StarWars, with the Hoffman Family even receiving a pre-911 Trailblazer Contract as well!)
Furthermore since the 1990s, at least 2 U.S. Patents on behalf of the Cold Fusion Research of once sabotaged Pons/Fleischman were approved, the latest only 3 months before 9/11, as seen below.
More bizarre, right after 9/11, forme director of 911truth.org, David Kubiak, is working
with another defense associate, Russ George, in Japan on Cold Fusion Projects, while the chinese
version is sponsored by the James Baker Institute, onc again with the help of Westinghouse...
picked up at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
"...Cold fusion was brought into popular consciousness by the controversy surrounding the Fleischmann-Pons experiment in March 1989...
...A panel organized by the U.S. Department of Energy concluded there was no convincing evidence that useful sources of energy would result from the phenomena attributed to cold fusion...
The US Patent Office accepted a patent in cold fusion in 2001.[8]
... US patent 6,248,221, cited by Infinite energy
Posted on: Wed, Dec 13 2006
edward35, Triterope,
I would submit:
that the measure of an infiltrator or a disinfo agent isn't a function of
a) truthers having a unified story /front
b) certain agents discrediting or contradicting that unified story.
Rather, the issue is more about whether certain players practice the following:
a) obtain speaking platforms or leadership positions only to push mass action of the group into unproductive or discrediting projects.
Les Jamison supporting an event where Ward Churchill is a featured speaker would be a perfect example.
The issue that Les isn't supporting the correct alternative theory. The issue is that he is supporting an extremely discrediting public person who is completely antithetical to any cogent alternative theory of 9/11. Churchill says something along the lines that the Islanic Fundies did it, but they had a right to.
With respect to Bowman, I agree that the branch of the Catholic Church thing, in itself, does not discredit. I've got alarm bells that go off with Bowman. They mainly have to do with his lack of focus and specificity in the way he talks about 9/11. I'm not pushing the idea that he is an infiltrator.
For those of you who would say that given most any group or movement, that disention is just par for the course.... that there doesn't have to be infiltrators to explain some dysfuntional dynamics of human groups.... I would grant that explanation as a possibilty as well.
Nico,
Among other things, the David Kubiak info that you mention is certainly interesting.
Pat I think edward just handed you your rear regarding Bowman.
I'm not sure why Nico thinks he is an inflitrator. I've spoken with the leadership of Scholars on several occasions. They have no idea why Fetzer has done the things he has but the feeling is a power grab by Fetzer. No ulterior motive can be deduced. There is going to be two Scholar groups. One behind Fetzer and one behind Jones. The group behind Jones doens't lend any support to the beam weapon theory.
The split and lack of a unified theory simply makes it much easier for a disinfo agent to enter the ranks. That is of course a common tactic of the state with historical examples.
However, I completely agree with your analysis, BG. Just because there is divsion in a particular movement doens't mean an disinfo agent has gone to work so to speak.
My take: what has happened is the Truth Movement has gained quite a bit of crediblity and popularity in the mainstream. As a result we have seen the influx of money into the movement to purchase said products. Money equates to power, without control there is no power. So you see certain invididuals pushing for control in order to get a hand in the cookie jar. Fetzer is moving in that direction with the 1st scholars group by examining non-profit incorporation. I believe Fetzer also has a 'big head' so to speak in regards to conspiracy fame and would like to keep that badge of honor by being the voice of Scholars.
The splinter group is moving in the direction of hard science to support particluar theories versus the beam weapon theory.
In regards to Nico, that is perhaps some of the most confusing blabbering I've ever read.
The answer is yes. But what's disappointing (but not surprising) is that the rank and file is welcoming the infiltration and many of the leaders are at least OK with it. It's not a hostile takeover like the one the animal-rights and anti-immigration groups tried on the Sierra Club.
Of course the twoofers have always been associated with Holocaust deniers and their ilk, along with the usual crew of America haters -- AFP is not new to the twoofers, for example. Roxdog, for another, is an anti-income tax nutjob. The twoofers were very much on the Cindy Sheehan bandwagon. &ct, &ct. That's why it's not surprising to me and it shouldn't be surprising to them. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
of course the twoofers have always been associated with Holocaust deniers and their ilk, along with the usual crew of America haters
Well perhaps some, but not all.
Personally, I love America. I have problems with the indidviduals in the government who use my government for political/personal/corporate gain either here or abroad. I have issues with government corrpution and crime at all levels.
Sorry to get off topic, but..
*sigh*
Anyone want to explain to Swing Wanker exactly why the Generals explanation and the NYT article are not contradictory? I don't have the strength for it right now...his current level of stupidity is making my head hurt...
Alex, on your previous post you screamed for help but alas, none arrived because they are not contradictory. If they were, your pleas would have been answered asap. Accept as fact that the General lied for whatever reason. Now explain to me the level of stupidity you were referring to.
The point about Bowman is that he is used to leading a small cult. It's as simple as that.
Alex, on your previous post you screamed for help but alas, none arrived because they are not contradictory. If they were, your pleas would have been answered asap.
No, it's just that your stupidity is making everyone else's heads hurt too. It takes a lot of effort to talk down to your level.
That is what I thought Alex. Typical OS response.
Dr. Bowman taught at five colleges and universities, serving as Associate Professor, Department Head, and Assistant Dean. From 1971 to 1974,
He has? Which ones? Why was it not listed in his biography when he ran for congress? The only thing I could find that he did since retiring from the Air Force is running a non-existent corporation that can't even afford to maintain its website.
Bored today James?
I'm not sure these people would endorse him if he were a fraud now would they?
"I think you're the most courageous person working in this field today."
-- Gerard C. Smith, Chief Negotiator SALT I and ABM Treaties
"You never cease to amaze me... You honor us by serving on the Peace Commission of our diocese."
-- Canon Charles Martin, Chairman Washington Cathedral
"On behalf of Peace Works, thank you for coming to Orlando. You light up the stage. Everyone came away educated and energized."
-- Mary Bray Mosquera, Winter Park, Florida
"Bowman is a threat to the Pentagon's space weapons program because he not only knows what he is talking about, he talks persuasively to audiences of middle Americans."
-- Timothy Lange, Colorado Daily
"Bob Bowman has been an invaluable resource to me. There seems to be no limit to the depth of his knowledge of space weapons. Even more important is the quality of his thinking."
-- Congressman Tom Downey
"In language understandable to any of us, Dr. Bowman makes clear the folly and the danger of Star Wars. I am commending his book to the members of my Diocese and indeed to all who would seek to be informed."
-- Bishop John Walker
"The publication of Star Wars: Defense or Death Star? is a public service of the highest order. Robert Bowman knows more than the right answers; he knows the right questions and the ability to share them with his reader gives this book the status of a national asset at a difficult time."
-- Norman Cousins
"Robert Bowman is probably the best public speaker in the country today."
-- Robert Sheer, Los Angeles Times
"It's been a pleasure for me to see you on television. I think it was the MacNeil/Lehrer Show, making such extraordinarily sensible statements about Star Wars and ABM. I would have expected nothing less from a Caltech Ph.D.
"I was particularly impressed by the clarity and compelling logic of your article in the December 14th issue of the New York Times. I just hope that somebody is listening to you in the White House."
-- Marvin L Goldberger, California Institute of Technology
New visitors, be sure to follow the intel on Dr. Bowman and the resulting information posted about his character. That is the typical tactic of some who blog regularly here,
Y
eah just another tin hatter eh?
Make sure you check out his stance on 9/11.
I'm also sure you will try your hardest to find something about his character to attack. Good luck.
So far the Dr. has been labeled a 'cult' leader and his honesty regading his teaching at Univesities.
Nevermind his expertise that might be relevant to the 9/11 issue including National Security,aero. engineering, award from the Society of Military Engineers,
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. is President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation, and retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church. He flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam and directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security. Dr. Bob was an independent candidate for President of the US in 2000, beating Pat Buchanan in Iowa, Illinois, and California. He has resided on the Space Coast for 16 years.
Sure, he's got relevant qualifications. Doesn't change the fact that he's nuts.
Avoiding the question today, huh Swing?
James Which question, bro?
Sorry James, nice try. To be honest, bro, I didn't type the University stuff.
Dr. Bowman taught at five colleges and universities, serving as Associate Professor, Department Head, and Assistant Dean. From 1971 to 1974,
I don't know where Edward got that info from. To be honest I went searching for it after I read your question and came across the info in my post from Bowman's website.
So to answer, nahhh I'm not avoiding the question or questions that you asked, just trying to find answers. ;)
Bowman interestingly enough, has never weighed in on the Star Wars Death Beam theory, although he is perhaps the one person in the movement qualified to discuss it. As a result, he is being denounced as being part of the coverup too.
You would think, James, if anyone had any hint of knowledge of a beam weapons being used, he would. And since he is a troofer, he would have brought it up unless of course he is covering for corporate interests and who knows what else.
Rather, the issue is more about whether certain players obtain speaking platforms or leadership positions only to push mass action of the group into unproductive or discrediting projects.
Well, if there's no accepted mainstream, who's to say what projects are unproductive or discrediting? What appears to you to be a valid line of inquiry may appear unproductive to someone else.
Just because there is division in a particular movement doesn't mean an disinfo agent has gone to work so to speak.
Again, how are we to tell?
Just because there is division in a particular movement doesn't mean an disinfo agent has gone to work so to speak.
Again, how are we to tell?
Great question Trite. At first glance one might say Morgan/Reynolds and eventually Fetzer becomes the disinfo agent because the postulate the beam weapon theory. Then evidence pours out the technology exists etc. but there isn't solid evidence to explain its use. But it is latched onto by enough people that it becomes an acceptable theory to investigate.
On the other hand, what kind of scientific investigation is going to be able to provide possible evidence of that kind of device?
To answer you question, Trite, I have no idea.
Here is a link to the cars and some explanation. I know not your favorite site, but it does have several of the pics.
Any idea where these shots were taken and how far away?
http://www.infowars.com/
articles/sept11/emp_at_wtc.htm
A: Unexplained spontaneous combustion toasted cars in a lot near the WTC.
Great, Swinger's swallowed the death-beam theory hook line and sinker. It's a good thing that the CT movement has such rational individuals on board, otherwise they might start to look a little silly.
Alex Jesus H. Christ, Alex. I didn't swallow that theory, in fact I don't endorse it at all. I was curious what you guys thought of it. I have no explanation, which is why I asked your opinion on the matter. Because frankly neither CD or OS can explain it, which I find a bit troubling.
Do you have an opinion on the matter or you just ad hominemmmmmm again?
Alex Jesus H. Christ, Alex. I didn't swallow that theory, in fact I don't endorse it at all.
Ah, yes, ofcourse. "Look guys! These cars were lit on fire by lasers! But I don't beleive in lasers, I'm just asking questions!"
Do you have an opinion on the matter or you just ad hominemmmmmm again?
No I have no definite explanation, and I have no interest either, because unlike you I realize that the question of burning cars has absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of the WTC. That's because I'm able to apply logic when analyzing a given scenario. You on the other hand are utterly incapable of that. Judging by the way you keep bringing up irrelevant info, you're the kind of idiot who would, while analyzing a car crash, wonder why the windshield washer fluid leaking out of one of the wrecks is pink instead of green.
Thanks Alex, I knew I could get an elementary example to take to share and tell.
Seriously though, you don't find the damage to those cars and their location a bit odd?
And why wouldn't you care when CD or OS doesn't account for what happened there?
And no I'm not fishing for lasers as you want to assert.
ChF Strangely enough you bring an excellent point to the table.
Now what is your thought on the car pictures?
For the same reason I wouldn't care whether the windshield washer fluid is pink or green.
You are totally hopeless, you know that? I've trained people like you before. You can tell them the same thing over, and over, and over again, and they'll never get it. I once spent 6 hours on my off time trying to explain resection to one of my students. All the other students got it in about 5 minutes, but this guy, no matter how many times I explained it, just couldn't wrap his mind around it. I tried theoretical explanations, diagrams, physical demonstrations, practical scenarios...NOTHING worked. You remind me a lot of that guy. It doesn't matter what we say to you, you simply lack the faculties to understand the information you're presented with. I'm starting to thin that even "share and tell" with a kindergarten class might be too advanced for you...
My view on the burning cars:
It must have been the thermite.
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=2329
December 13, 2006
Alex Floum aka "GeorgeWash" and John Albanese use "Ruppert Style" with Lawsuit Threats
By ewing2001
picked up at (internal story):
Alex Floum aka "GeorgeWash" and John Albanese use "Ruppert Style" with Lawsuit Threats
Wed, 12/13/2006
By Nico Haupt, 911bloglines.com
Yesterday night, Attorney Alexander Floum, in the tradition of Mike Ruppert, harrassed 9/11 researcher and - videographer Rick Siegel with the idea of a "defamation " lawsuit, by posting a link into a CC10+ group:
http://www.answers.com/defamation
Meanwhile, "shill conceptionalist" John Albanese threatened 9/11 researcher Nico Haupt as well with a lawsuit:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/4980?page=6
Wed, 12/13/2006
"...i wonder if any of this stuff is actionable in a court of law. i do have an attorney on retainer. i wonder if there is any value in going after this guy legally for slander?..."
Posted on: Wed, Dec 13 2006
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=2325
Steven "Los Alamos" Jones biggest Traitor of U.S. since George Westinghouse (1880)
By ewing2001
NOTE: Alex Floum is Top-Lapdog of biggest Traitor of U.S. since George Westinghouse (1880)
Alex, still on that personal touch thing?
Uh....what? You sure you got the right person?
Just address the question if it isn't so hard.
I did. Twice. I thought you were educated?
Regarding Bob Bowman, the Denier movement contains a number of people who were “somebody” in the past. Paul Craig Roberts is one. Robert Bowman is another (others like Alex Jones seem to have been career idiots). Many of the quotations Swing cites are quite old. Tom Downey, for example, has not been a Congressman since 1992. At some point Bowman went off the deep end and his past exploits, real or imagined, don’t make him credible today.
People here are putting way to much into this death beam thing.. Nearly everyone in the truth movement is abandoning Fetzer's ship asap. very very few people believe it.
It's unfortunate that so many people in the truth movement still even focus on the controlled demolition issue in the first place.. At this point in the game it's obvious that the issue is a stalemate.. Although there is a lot of evidence to support it, the issue always boils down to conflicting scientific analysis and conflicting recollections from that day.
There are much more important issues to focus on, such as insider trading, past examples of government sponsored terrorism, blocked investigations, prior warnings, drills on the day of the attacks, activities of key individuals on the day of the attacks, testimony by key individuals, the list goes on and on..
Here is a good website discussing a lot of these issues..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911.html
Here is another my Mark Robinowitz discussing among other issues that a plane did in fact hit the Pentagon and the pros and cons of controlled demolition..
http://www.oilempire.us/
Consdemo, please give us examples of how specifically Bowman "went off the deep end." I don't believe that you are actually familiar with him.
Here is a great audio clip of him talking about 9/11 among other issues..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/audio/alexJones/alexJones_colRobertBowman_01.m3u
I think it was a controlled demolition, but I do think that the issue comes down to conflicting scientific analysis and conflicting recollections.. It only creates arguments and one side will never convince the other.
Mostly I am saying that there are easier elements of the conspiracy to prove and people need to be informed on the big picture first and foremost.
Im not a fan of what Fetzer has been doing, if that's what you are referring to, but he's not the only one forwarding theories of controlled demolition. But anyway the evidence of inside job is airtight without the demolition issue altogether.
Here's a website speaking about a lot of issues such as past examples of government terrorism, prior warnings, drills before and during the attacks, the money trail, blocked investigations, public officials questioning 9/11, what Bush was doing on that day, ect..
http://www.newsofinterest.tv/911.html
Im not sure what you are getting at, but here is a great article comparing and contrasting the differing theories of controlled demolition, including the theory of no demolition..
http://www.oilempire.us/demolition.html
please give us examples of how specifically Bowman "went off the deep end."
Oh, how about the fact he accuses his own country of killing 3K of its own citizens on no evidence?
There have been plenty more famous people who at some point started acting like idiots. Harold Stassen, Pierre Salinger, Ramsey Clark, just to name a few.
Some contemporary (meaning within the last 20 years) observers of Bowman have a somewhat different take than those quotes from above. Some of these wanted to endorse a Democrat but couldn't stomach Bozo Bob.
FLORIDA TODAY (Brevard County, Florida)
October 22, 2006 Sunday
Final/All Edition
We recommend
BYLINE: Florida Today Editorial
SECTION: EDITORIAL; Pg. 12A
Weldon's opponent is Democrat Bob Bowman, a retired Air Force officer running hard on a standard party platform on subjects ranging from Iraq to health care that could gain some traction in the current anti-incumbent climate. But Bowman's close association with 9/11 conspiracy theorists, some of whose views he shares, irreparably damages his credibility in our view.
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Orlando Sentinel (Florida)
November 1, 2006 Wednesday
FINAL
Re-elect Dave Weldon
Our position: The Melbourne doctor is a far better fit for Congress than his opponent.
BYLINE: Sage
SECTION: EDITORIAL; FLORIDA; OPINION DECISION 2006; Pg. A12
LENGTH: 213 words
The contest in Florida's 15th Congressional District is a mismatch. Voters are much better off with Republican Dave Weldon, seeking his seventh term, than Democrat Bob Bowman....Mr. Bowman is a retired military officer and nuclear scientist, also from Melbourne. He ran for president as a Reform Party candidate in 2000. His labeling of President Bush as a "rogue cowboy" and his suggestion that the 9-11 attacks were an "inside job" are danger signals. They indicate he lacks the temperament and judgment to represent the district effectively.The Sentinel endorses Dave Weldon in the 15th Congressional District.
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November 1, 2006
Esquire Endorses America
SECTION: ESQUIRE ENDORSES AMERICA; Pg. 192 Vol. 146 No. 5
D 15 >> Dave Weldon (R) Bob Bowman (D) Worst choice of 2006! Weldon declared that by watching a video of Terri Schiavo, he could tell she was not in a vegetative state-and he's the vice-chairman of the House Science Subcommittee. His opponent, on the other hand, believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Good Lord. Esquire endorses: Write-in John Kennedy, who narrowly lost the Democratic primary.
At this point in the game it's obvious that the issue is a stalemate.
Hardly. Millions of people saw planes fly into the buildings and a short time later saw the buildings collapse. What do the Deniers have? No hard facts, just a handful of people who claim it was an “inside job”, in most cases just because it jives with their world view. Those aren’t exactly equal claims on fact. Although you are right in the sense the twoofers will not be able to convince the population at large of their claim absent some credible evidence.
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