Who Are the Truthlings?
Our buddy Nico Haupt likes to use this phrase a lot, but I confess, I didn't know much about it until today. Here's a discussion from 9-11 Denier Gerard Holmgren.
What is a "truthling"?
A truthling is a person who subscribes to a strange religious cult calling itself the "911 truth movement".
Of course, it's chock full of nuttiness, but it also contains some elements of real truth, as in his discussion of Karl Schwarz.
posted by Pat @ 11:30 AM
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48 Comments:
I guess he missed that Truthers is already the preferred nomenclature.
Look Ma, No Spam!
Thanks for posting this, Pat.
Sorry to go BG style here, but i was wondering if you guys had already seen this from the scholar wars.
Here's startling news. If your mission is to destroy any honest questioning of the official story of 9/11, the "pirate" is providing video to help your cause.
By the way, you only need to watch the intro to see the disinfo.
When you get to Alex Jones, you need watch no further.
Sorry, wrong link above.
Feb. 2006, Charlie Rose, AN UPDATE ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM
If any of this BS? Is all of it BS?
For you truthers reading this: This needs voting up!!!
James/Pat,
Why don't you guys do Polls?
Were the phone calls from the planes real or
faked?
Results from 911 Blogger
Supporters of Israel cannot hide their racism
Destroying World Order: Analysing the war In Iraq and the middle east with Dr Franics A Boyle
Do you guys know David Wong? He's whipping up on Loose Change real good.
Wow, pro-Israel people are racist?
Might wanna check out the anti-Israel crowd. I've almost thrown up from the racism I see at protests against the Jewish state.
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There is no color in crimes and crimes come from all society, how is israel any different?
How moronic are you?
Israel is singled out for outrage (mock outrage really) by the world community while they ignore North Korean starving to death in prison camps and Chinese executing political dissidents. It is antisemitic to single out the state with one of the best human rights records (better than America, France, Russia, and Britain) and somehow make it seem so evil.
If an alien came to Earth he'd think Israel was an evil, oppressive nation and that China does nothing wrong and is a free and open society. If you can't see that, you're retarded.
Always remember this, Zionism is anti-semitism.
No it isn't.
Zionism is the belief that the JEwish people have a right to self-termination.
Only an idiot could believe that is racist.
Flashback to 2004, when Counterpunch was on the right track:
A Review of "The New Pearl
Harbor"
By MARC ESTRIN
Throwing the misguided Zionists a bone: One surefire way to avert a nuclear holocaust.
Self-termination? Shawn,man, you really gotta be more careful when you type :)
What a fucker. I tried to go spam Bill's blog the way he's doing here, but the little coward has enabled comment moderation.
Ah well, I guess I'll just have to focus on google bombing him instead:
Newsflash: Bill Giltner is a retarded spammer!
Anyone who wants to help, feel free to post the following code on the websites of any deniers who engage in spamming:
<A HREF="http://dileas.freehostia.com/bg.html">Newsflash: Bill Giltner is a retarded spammer!</A>
That way one of these days you'll be able to type "bill giltner" into google, and get an accurate description.
Alex,
This action can continue for as long as the SLC Blog is on the wrong side of the 9/11 issue, and certain individuals find it more interesting to make ad hominem arguments rather than stick to the logic of the issue.
Or, of course until the powers that be blog powers shut me down.
I think LD was pushing for reporting me to Google. For Pete's sake, why do you think Google gives blogger moderation tools to begin with.
Also, LD seems to imply I was taunting Pat, James.
There's no taunting of Pat/James intended in my comments. I respect the work that Pat/James do here.
This action can continue for as long as the SLC Blog is on the wrong side of the 9/11 issue
My appologiez Mein Fuhrer. Zis vill NOT happen again, I ashoor you. Se responsible partiez vill be shot IMMIDIETLY!
I respect the work that Pat/James do here.
So you show your respect by turning their comments section into your own private version of the National Enquirer. Good job. What do you do for an encore? Piss in their soup?
Now I realize why the Troother Movement ("moobment") is full of shit.
The whole "movement" is chock full of psychos and nuts.
"Always remember this, Zionism is anti-semitism."
That is full-on horseshit and you know it.
Zionism is the movement for a Jewish state enunciated by Theodr Herzl in the last decade of the 19th century. He realized that the anti-Semitism of Europe would never go away (and 100 years later he has been proven right), and that the Jewish people of the world needed one homeland, Eretz Yisrael, which the Arabs (there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" except people who once lived in what was once called "Palestine") had turned into a desert.
To say that "Zionism is anti-Semitism" is pure naivete.
Zionism is the right of the Jewish people to have one state of their own, run by them and not by pogrom-loving Europeans.
You sound like you have been listening to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a little too much.
Simon, Shawn... I agree with you guys, but I think you missed what Coverup really said. I think we just saw another case of a 9-11 twoofer accidentally saying too much.
Zionism is Anti-semitism
War is peace.
Slavery is freedom
Lies are "Truth".
Yeah, I was watching a certain film (one that should be pretty obvious) and typed "termination" instead of "determination".
anyone else find it ironic that BG opens with "look ma, no spam!" then procedes to spam not 1, but 10 links over the next few hours?
Yeah, like the stereotypical child sex offender who, while seeking approval, proudly tells his parole officer he hasn't looked at any children at his first check-in a week after release. But at his next appointment two weeks later...
I know some may think it's unfair to compare someone who is "just an ethno-religious hate-monger" to a child rapist. But I've never heard of a nation run by pedophiles lining up six million children outside "economy sized" gas chambers or having mobile kiddie extermination units scouring the countryside.
And at the end of the day, racists and religious bigots have a much better track record in reforming thier anti-social behaviors. BG can choose to be different.
Weiss said he and seven other rabbis from the Neturei Karta sect attended President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's huddle in Tehran last month to reach out to the Iranians.
"We tried to appease them," he told The News. "We explained how the Holocaust is used to intimidate people who want to speak against the unjust Zionist regime."
Newsflash: Bill Giltner is a retarded spammer!
The Zionist Agenda As Observed
More Insults About The
'North American Conspiracy'
By Jerome R. Corsi
1-6-7
The Likud Criminal Gang
Behind 911 &
The 'War On Terror'
By Christopher Bollyn
12-23-6
Newsflash: Bill Giltner is a retarded spammer!
Military Intel: Telling It Like It Is
NeoCon Elliott Abrams doesn't respect the Constitution
BG, if you are so bored, why don't you write some nice story on your blog instead of spamming the shit out of here. You are only doing this to piss people of. And its getting boring dude. I thought you were a mature man, but the way you are acting now is like a five year old.
I disagree with this guy's understanding of 9/11, but his analysis of US/Israel actions are on the money.
Journalistic Malpractice: Iraq 9/11 and US support of Israel
Jay,
What topic wouldn't be boring to you?
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I propose that since the original hasn't darkened this blog with his violent sociopathic mentally masturbatory musings in months, that we christen BG the new "NESnyc".
All in favor, please spam this or other threads with hysterical anti-semitic hate site links.
It is obvious to me that BG is trying to derail the entire SLC blog by hijacking every single thread. We can't even discuss blog topics anymore, because by the time anybody reads them, the comments are neck-deep in BG's random junk, and reactions to same.
I know the mods want to be even-handed towards CTs who wish to post, and I agree with that stance. But is clear to me that BG's intent is not to participate in discussion of Loose Change and 9/11 conspiracy theory, but to subvert discussion of it. He needs to be shown the door.
BG if you think everything is boring around here, why do you even come here? Why don't you spam the 911blogger with your stuff, i bet they find it all real interesting what you have to spam.
I like how BG quotes the radical, tiny sect of anti-Zionist Jews to prove his point.
Quoting nutjobs doesn't help you.
That might be easier said than done though. They'd likely just create a new account here, and continue spamming.
I was thinking more along the lines of the mods deleting his posts.
He's not competent enough to have pulled off any major crimes. He might have TP'd Gravey's house, but that's about it.
I really think the following movie and website needs to be debunked. We need to get on this!
The movie "9/11: Press for Truth" should be debunked.
View the trailer for the movie at the following website:
( Running Time: 2 min. 13 sec.)
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
Watch the entire film at Google Video:
( Running Time: 1 hr. 24 min. 21 sec. )
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=9%2F11%3A+Press+for+Truth
The Complete 9/11 Timeline at the Center for Cooperative Research website needs to be debunked as well:
Complete 9/11 Timeline:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Patriots Question 9/11 website needs to be dubunked as well:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
LET'S GET ON IT!
well, if its the "same shit" as you call it, then it should be easy to "debunk" it , dont you think??
A letter from Michael Moore
Dear Mr. President,
Thanks for your address to the nation. It's good to know you still want to talk to us after how we behaved in November.
Listen, can I be frank? Sending in 20,000 more troops just ain't gonna do the job. That will only bring the troop level back up to what it was last year. And we were losing the war last year! We've already had over a million troops serve some time in Iraq since 2003. Another few thousand is simply not enough to find those weapons of mass destruction! Er, I mean... bringing those responsible for 9/11 to justice! Um, scratch that. Try this -- BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE MIDDLE EAST! YES!!!
You've got to show some courage, dude! You've got to win this one! C'mon, you got Saddam! You hung 'im high! I loved watching the video of that -- just like the old wild west! The bad guy wore black! The hangmen were as crazy as the hangee! Lynch mobs rule!!!
Look, I have to admit I feel very sorry for the predicament you're in. As Ricky Bobby said, "If you're not first, you're last." And you being humiliated in front of the whole world does NONE of us Americans any good.
Sir, listen to me. You have to send in MILLIONS of troops to Iraq, not thousands! The only way to lick this thing now is to flood Iraq with millions of us! I know that you're out of combat-ready soldiers -- so you have to look elsewhere! The only way you are going to beat a nation of 27 million -- Iraq -- is to send in at least 28 million! Here's how it would work:
The first 27 million Americans go in and kill one Iraqi each. That will quickly take care of any insurgency. The other one million of us will stay and rebuild the country. Simple.
Now, I know you're saying, where will I find 28 million Americans to go to Iraq? Here are some suggestions:
1. More than 62,000,000 Americans voted for you in the last election (the one that took place a year and half into a war we already knew we were losing). I am confident that at least a third of them would want to put their body where there vote was and sign up to volunteer. I know many of these people and, while we may disagree politically, I know that they don't believe someone else should have to go and fight their fight for them -- while they hide here in America.
2. Start a "Kill an Iraqi" Meet-Up group in cities across the country. I know this idea is so early-21st century, but I once went to a Lou Dobbs Meet-Up and, I swear, some of the best ideas happen after the third mojito. I'm sure you'll get another five million or so enlistees from this effort.
3. Send over all members of the mainstream media. After all, they were your collaborators in bringing us this war -- and many of them are already trained from having been "embedded!" If that doesn't bring the total to 28 million, then draft all viewers of the FOX News channel.
Mr. Bush, do not give up! Now is not the time to pull your punch! Don't be a weenie by sending in a few over-tired troops. Get your people behind you and YOU lead them in like a true commander in chief! Leave no conservative behind! Full speed ahead!
We promise to write. Go get 'em W!
Yours,
Michael Moore
Gee, Michael Moore being an idiot.
In other news, the moon continues to remain in it's orbit.
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