Friday, February 09, 2007

Alex Jones Picks Up On NJ EMT Story

And claims he's got lots of backup for the controlled demolition assertion.

Indira Singh was a volunteer civilian Emergency Medical Technician at the World Trade Center on September 11th. She was a Senior Consultant for JP Morgan Chase in Information Technology and Risk Management. Singh was responsible for setting up triage sites for the seriously injured and walking wounded. These sites were closed down and consolidated one by one as the day wore on. Appearing on the Pacifica show Guns and Butter, Singh describes her experience to host Bonnie Faulkner. Click here to listen with commentary by Alex Jones.

SINGH: "After midday on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much just flames everywhere and smoke - it is entirely possible - I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage. That I don't know I can't attest to the validity of that all I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we need to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down."

HOST: "Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?"

SINGH: "The fire department. And they did use the words 'we're gonna have to bring it down' and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility, given the subsequent controversy over it I don't know."


No mention of the 20-second countdown, or the men with the bullhorns.

McPADDEN: "They said you know you've got to stay behind this line because they're thinking about taking this building down, they're not sure if it's stable or not, so they were holding a line off because they had knowledge that something was gonna happen. Well, they pushed us back a little bit....a couple of minutes later they started coming down....people started coming back out to the street, I watched five New York City buses jam packed with people wanting to do search and rescue head down there towards Building 7 - people walk out into the middle of the street to see these people off, like bon voyage and right then Building 7 came down."

McPadden then describes the scene as a "stampede" as people ran over each other in their attempts to flee.


Jones also repeats the ridiculous charge about Silverstein making money on Building 7:

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building's collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.


Actually, of course, the payout was $861 million. The arguable "profit" was about $500 million. But it's not hard to see that this was not a windfall to Silverstein. Over the years the building had increased in value. Suppose you bought your home in 1999 for $140,000 and because real estate values rose in your area, it is now worth $300,000. Being a cautious person, you have increased your homeowners' insurance to $300,000. If the house burns down did you suddenly make a profit of $160,000? No, the profit came during the intervening years. It didn't matter if you sold the building or had a fire. The same with Silverstein; if he sold the building or if it burned down, the value increase had happened before the 9-11 attacks.

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24 Comments:

At 09 February, 2007 12:27, Blogger Von Mises said...

Conspiracy economics is even funnier than conspiracy engineering.

Let's apply some basic math to this story ... according to Jones' own words Silverstein received $861 million. To find the "profits" he made let's subtract the estimated investment also cited by Jones ($386 million.); that leaves us with US$475 million in "profits" if, and only if, Silverstein took that money and stashed it in a bank. But he didn't do that, he rebuilt the 7WTC building at a cost of approximately $700 million.

Subtracting this amount from the alleged "profits" gives us a negative number: US$ -225 million ... that's a loss, in case any of the "truthers" is reading this and didn't get it right away.

 
At 09 February, 2007 12:38, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NSA-Urantia ny911Gate: Jamieson escapes from TV Debate, expells Foti, Haupt, "Geo"...
http://www.911researchers.com/node/194
February 9, 2007

 
At 09 February, 2007 14:36, Blogger ewing2001 said...

Urantia limited hangout truthers do no tolerate
http://www.911researchers.com/node/194

 
At 09 February, 2007 15:44, Blogger Jay said...

There is somethign strange about this Indira Singh tbh. She was a "Whistleblower" for Ptech in 2004, but she never mentiones anything about being around building 7 that time, and a year later in 2005 she gave that interview where she tells about building 7... Sounds strange to me that she didnt mention this before, being a whistleblower and all.

Just look for Indira Singh on Google, you can find lots of stuff on her.

 
At 09 February, 2007 15:50, Blogger Jay said...

Here is a videoclip from her, and here is a voiceclip from her on the Butter show. She sounds like the same one to me anyway.

 
At 09 February, 2007 15:56, Blogger Jay said...

Nothing in here about building 7 to.

 
At 09 February, 2007 15:58, Blogger Jay said...

Or in here.

 
At 09 February, 2007 19:28, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

That I don't know I can't attest to the validity of that all I can attest to...

I drunk she is think.

I don't know if I can attest to what I don't know, but if I can attest to what I do know we might know what I can attest to, since I can't attest to what I don't know and don't know what I can't attest to.

Translation?

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Blah blah.

 
At 09 February, 2007 22:16, Blogger Alex said...

jay:

I KNEW that name sounded familiar! Can you confirm that this is the same Indira Singh?

 
At 10 February, 2007 05:12, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

You guys are comical. 6 billion people and your relying on an audio recording to match identities.

While your trying to debunk her, here is another one for you to work on too.

Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden traveled to ground zero completely of his own accord and spent the next four days searching through the rubble and nearby buildings for survivors.

On September 9 2006, McPadden told an audience at the Community Church in New York City how while he was stationed in a Red Cross operations center, he was told that Building 7 was going to be brought down. Click here for the audio.

McPADDEN: "They said you know you've got to stay behind this line because they're thinking about taking this building down, they're not sure if it's stable or not, so they were holding a line off because they had knowledge that something was gonna happen. Well, they pushed us back a little bit....a couple of minutes later they started coming down....people started coming back out to the street, I watched five New York City buses jam packed with people wanting to do search and rescue head down there towards Building 7 - people walk out into the middle of the street to see these people off, like bon voyage and right then Building 7 came down."

McPadden then describes the scene as a "stampede" as people ran over each other in their attempts to flee.
http://prisonplanet.com/audio/
090207groundzero2.mp3
The commentary by AJ isn't the important, but McPadden is very relevant.
The testimony of these individuals meshes with others in confirming that Building 7 was deliberately brought down on the day of 9/11, a fact that eviscerates official investigations into Building 7 as nothing more than part of an orchestrated cover-up.

Now you guys either need to face the facts or give up on trying to attack the character of all these people. There really isn't any debate anymore about the CD of wtc 7.

 
At 10 February, 2007 06:25, Blogger Unknown said...

Typ toofer logic. 100 or so people say including CD pros their was no CD and explain why in great detail. 1 or 2 non qualified people say there was CD and give no hard proof, quote audio recordings with out someone to rebut and take things out of context so the toofers go with the 1 or 2.

What a load of tapdance, BS. This is a perfece example of how these conspiracy theorists have taken fact out of context and turned it to fiction, they have carefully selected random clippings which were the extreme end of the spectrum not the mean average of the time, meaning it is a very skewed view of what we saw and heard during our present period
Not a single Institute of Civil Engineers on the Planet agrees with the controlled demolition theory.

Not a single of Institute Structural Engineers on the Planet agree with the controlled demolition theory.

Not a single Institute of Fire and Safety Engineers on the Planet agree with the controlled demolition theory.

Not a single Institute of Demolition Engineers on the Planet agrees with the controlled demolition theory.

Not a single Institute of Architects on the Planet agrees with the controlled demolition theory.

Not a single Institute of Engineers in any field on the Planet agrees with the controlled demolition theory.

Nobody, not a single institute of engineers in the world agrees with the controlled demolition theory, Every single professional institute of Engineers from everywhere, including Russia, China, Germany, the rest of Europe, the entire planet agree with NIST.

You have yet to explain how the demolition could be done and nobody notice, all we get is some fantisy about radio controlled explosives.

Do you know how these charges must be placed and why?

Where was the detonator, in or close to the buildings outside?
How would they hide the primacord so they would be at a safe distance?

With all the traffic in the lower floors, how did they manage to wire it?

When did they wire it?

There are well over 300 qualified experts in the relative fields that have proven all this whaks claims to be 100% bogus, every real scientific, engineering and architectural publication agrees with the current findings, only the unqualified whaks do not believe

Where is a detailed explaination to back up your claims and back it up with real experts and scientific evidence that is equal to what has been put fourth by the real experts?

When are you clowns going to give reports by qualified people to back up your claims?

 
At 10 February, 2007 07:04, Blogger Jay said...

Yeh its the same Indira Singh Alex. Just look at her credentials.

 
At 10 February, 2007 07:13, Blogger Jay said...

This is from the interview on Alex Jones his site.

Indira Singh was a volunteer civilian Emergency Medical Technician at the World Trade Center on September 11th. She was a Senior Consultant for JP Morgan Chase in Information Technology and Risk Management. Singh was responsible for setting up triage sites for the seriously injured and walking wounded.


This from a site where she talks about Ptech.

In October 2001, Ptech insiders attempted to warn the FBI that suspected terrorist financier Yassin al-Qadi had funded Ptech (see Shortly After October 12, 2001). Then Indira Singh, an employee at JP Morgan Chase bank, develops her own suspicions about Ptech after her bank assigned her to investigate Ptech for a potential business deal.

So yes, she is the same one Alex.

 
At 10 February, 2007 07:57, Blogger Unknown said...

Yeah, buildings fall down like that all the time.

 
At 10 February, 2007 11:46, Blogger Alex said...

Steve, even that guy didn't say they were demolished. He states:

They said you know you've got to stay behind this line because they're thinking about taking this building down, they're not sure if it's stable or not....a couple of minutes later they started coming down.

So this guy claims that they were THINKING about "taking this building down", and then a few minutes later the building collapsed. Now, the guy probably just misheard or misinterpreted what was being said to him, but even assuming that he's absolutely correct, this would leave a grand total of "a couple minutes" for "them" to wire up the building. Maybe superman could have done it, but the FDNY would have taken a little longer. You find this man and ask him what he thinks happened, and I will bet you any amount of money you want that he won't say the building was demolished. It's just another case of twoofers misrepresenting someones statements.

Also, if you follow that link and watch the video clip...it's pretty funny actually. The idiotic denier claims that the video clip is "proof that the buildings were brought down" because a cop in the video clip says "get back, the building is about to blow up". Pretty stupid to begin with, but once the building collapses, a news announcer comes on and says "another building has just collapsed". So, I guess this police officer knew that the building was going to be demolished by the evil Jew and his fire-department cronies, he announced it on public television, but the reporter somehow failed to pick up on it, and instead simply believed that the building collapsed. Sure, makes perfect sense. If you're a fucking moron.

 
At 10 February, 2007 11:54, Blogger Cl1mh4224rd said...

dinsdale wrote: "Yeah, buildings fall down like that all the time."

Sarcasm. Cute. Let me try...

Yeah, and buildings hit by planes or debris and burning for nearly an hour or more can't collapse.

 
At 10 February, 2007 11:56, Blogger Alex said...

Actually, never mind about defending McFadden. If these quotes are correct, the guy's a twoofer, and a nutbag:

Medic and former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden, observes of Ground Zero, "There was so much radiant heat...that' s not jet fuel that burns off 10 hours later, it's not any kindof incendiary...nothing was burning, no combustibles. This was chemicals, this was explosives."

Ofcourse, anyone with half a functioning brain cell should be able to figure out why that one makes no sense. Airforce special ops my ass.

Mc Padden remembers taking a cigarette break after carrying three 250-pound women down 25 flights of stairs, when Mayor Bloomburg comes up to him and says, 'You know, you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth. But you look like a dirt bag.'"

Not impossible, but highly unlikely.

The guy just seems like a very bitter man, which, considering the fact that he's basically been poisoned due to government negligence I can't really blame him for. But that doesn't mean we have to swallow his lies.

The quotes are from here.

 
At 10 February, 2007 12:40, Blogger Jay said...

Mc Padden remembers taking a cigarette break after carrying three 250-pound women down 25 flights of stairs, when Mayor Bloomburg comes up to him and says, 'You know, you think you look cool with that cigarette in your mouth. But you look like a dirt bag.

I thought Bloomberg was elected Mayor in 2002.

 
At 11 February, 2007 04:22, Blogger NDB said...

I actually know Indira Singh. She was the head of the Object Developers Group in NYC that I was a part of in the mid to late 90's

I thought she was a nice woman but nuttier than a 3 dollar bill.

 
At 11 February, 2007 16:55, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Alex you truly our a sad denier.
Well you give him a pass because he is sick due to the lies of the EPA, but call him a liar in regards to the events he experienced. Truly grand.
Is that what it has come down to for you to grasp at the thin lies of the OS?? Ohhh never mind him, he is just pissed off because the feds lied to him about the air so now he is lying about his experience.

 
At 12 February, 2007 04:51, Blogger Pepik said...

So if a building has a 20 story hole torn out of it and burns uncontrolled for several hours, you don't get insurance money?

What did the insurance contract say, "only if it collapses at faster than free fall speed, otherwise fix it yourself"?

 
At 09 April, 2007 15:08, Blogger Unknown said...

1- They were "thinking of bringing the building down" were the words of a Red Cross rep about 4 block away from Building 7. Half a brain cell---
if you only had so much! All fire were put out by 10pm yet the ground was still roasting hot! Nothing was on fire yet people spoke of finding molten steel on the north side. These clues plus the fact that aside from the acidic dust, there was nitrites in the air which is increases the possibilities of explosives, Beyond that there are a myraid of factors I can't discuss because they are confidential and really could reveal flaws in our safety structure. These issues have to be handled tactfully and not with someone trying to vilifi good people. As far as my special ops experience, it is limited but there. I also worked at OK bombing
fresh out of training and I still maintain my EMT license and can test out for Paramedic at any time.
As far as the nutbag comment--- I'm sure your such a good person that your can call people names like a 5 year old. But one thing when I helped hoist the cadavers out of the pit, it should have been YOUR hide that was roasted and not Cream of my countrymen!!!! I'll gladly tell you this to your lousy face!!!
My fate is sealed is yours?

 
At 09 April, 2007 15:24, Blogger Unknown said...

Bloomberg, handed over his checkbook and facilities to the Rescue Task Force. He was patrolling in and about missions. Which is to his credit! No he was not Mayor yet. I am fond of Gulliani, however Bloomberg was doing a lot more legwork and all knew he would be Mayor. Quite the daunting task to face, it didn't seem like he was eager for the seat after that day. Dispite his comment to me outside Styvasant tower#2, he really did a lot that day! He may be a jerk, but he is a true New Yorker.
Go figure someone told me he dated Diana Ross --- hmmm.. the Queen of Disco.. What happened?

 
At 10 April, 2007 09:52, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm not apologizing for the last yesterdays posting but, it was unprofessional and beneath me.
I would not wish any of it on anyone, not even a germ like yourself!(Alex) I would attack your character, probably only to find none there!
It seems like you know everything --
I've swam in shark tanks for as long as I remember, your bullshit is chum that sinks to the bottom, left only for you to swallow!

 

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