The Band Was Playing Hava Nagila...
The Dancing Jews return along with the Israeli art students courtesy of Counterpunch, which uses up the accumulated goodwill gathered during its 9-11 Debunking series a few months ago.
But how many Deniers caught this bit near the end:
JUAN GONZALEZ: And I’d like to ask Marc Perelman, were you surprised when the 9/11 Commission Report came out that there was no mention of -- at all in the reports of possible knowledge by Israeli agents in this country of the attacks or tracking of some of these suspects?
MARC PERELMAN: Yes and no. I mean, I was surprised, because, since there have been questions that are still being asked now, that at least the commission would address the issue, even to debunk it. That being said, my reporting was narrow, was about those movers and what were they doing. And the conclusion was that they were essentially spying on radical activists in the region, and that they had been let go, because the American authorities had determined that they did not have foreknowledge of the attacks, which is different than what the article says, because it implies that they were essentially shipped to Israel because of the Israel lobby, and because they knew, whereas what I have been able to find out is that they were sent home because they did something they were not supposed to do and without the knowledge of the American government, which is an issue, obviously, that should be discussed publicly.
AMY GOODMAN: That the Israelis were spying on US soil.
MARC PERELMAN: Right, without the approval of the US authorities. Sometimes friendly governments have agreements, where they can kind of like spy together. Apparently, this was a case where it was not happening.
Labels: 9-11, Counterpunch, Israel, Israeli Art Students
posted by Pat @ 8:52 PM
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The Israeli spies as I said before, were divided into art students and movers. The art students were the majority and they were the ones who had the DEA report comment on their suspicious activities around government buildings. The movers were the ones that were doing all the spying on the terror cells (including hijackers).
It's been covered a thousand times and this article brought nothing new.
Why do you have to assume that? It's an unfortunte fact that countries spy on other countries. What was Israel's role on 9/11? What was Burkina Faso's role? Must we assume Israel was involved in 9/11?
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The Girl in Grey said...
and everyone
In terms of proving the nature of the involvement of Israel (or anyone really), I agree that we ordinary citizens are not in a position to prove much of anything.
For me (and I think this is true of any open-minded observer), the issue is a matter of an expectation that there would be reasonable follow-up, which hasn't happened (or if it has, it hasn't been made public).
Those who want to paint any conspiracy theory, other than the the govt. conspiracy theory as unworthy, use the idea that the reason that the 9/11 Commission (and other investigations) failed so miserably has to do with strong interests entrenched within the US Govt. not wanting their incompetence exposed.
This kind of explanation becomes further and further from matching the facts as one begins to lay them out for all to review.
For example, with it comes to the flight path of alleged flight 77, how can one square the fact that the 9/11 Commission released flight path information which is materially contradicted by the later release of flight data from the NTSB, under the FBI investigation.
I think this evidence shows several things:
1) The organizational corruption, or inside job nature of 9/11, if it exists, is not absolute. I make this statement based on the fact that in a perfectly rigged system, the NTSB's data release would have been falsified to match the 9/11 Commission.
2) The mass media, who most of us consider to be capable of playing a watch dog role to investigate and expose corruption, have been clearly shown to have been compromised with respect to 9/11. A specific example of this was the Fox News airing of a series of installments attempting to address AMDOCS, Israeli spying, etc. which was partially aired, and canceled mid-stream.
3) Rather than deal rationally with the real concerns, there are obvious efforts to derail the discussion. This can be witnessed when some of you have tired to label me or others as racists, or when the SLC Blog decides to spend huge amounts of blog posting on Holocaust denial and deniers.
Here is a little more on the spy ring...
This is the entire cached story saved before it was Orwelled.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
spyring.html
Swing Dangler, why in the Hell don't you learn to use the anchor tag? It's not rocket science, you know, even BG can do it.
Click here for what purports to be the Counterpunch article. I can't tell if it's supposed to be a cut-and-paste job or a transcription. There are a lot of errors.
Read it very carefully and see if there is anything new or interesting about the "dancing" Israelis. Clue: there isn't. It's all poorly sourced speculation, rumor, gossip, and innuendo.
And even if it's all true about the Israelis spying on Islamic terrorists inside the US, it provides absolutely no evidence whatsoever that "911 was an inside job." Indeed, if it's all true, it tends to disprove it.
Rather than deal rationally with the real concerns, there are obvious efforts to derail the discussion. This can be witnessed when some of you have tired to label me or others as racists,
The palestinians are lying, but the jews are still guilty.
It wasn't us who labelled you.
The writers of Counterpunch did a good job dismantling the 9/11 myths.
That never changed the fact they have a pathologic hatred for Israel.
pathological*
The substance of this story may be true but it hardly proves any conspiracy. I wonder about the "celebrating" part of the story but Israel certainly has spies in the U.S. and I don't doubt they track Islamists. As for the Israeli reaction to 9/11, I don't doubt some Israelis may have felt 9/11 was a wake up call to Americans, I remember an Op-Ed piece in the Wall Street Journal shortly after 9/11 that said, in so many words, Americans would now understand what Israel faces regarding terrorism.
I have no love for Israel, but this by itself doesn't prove one of the twoofer assertions, that Israel was somehow involved in perpetrating 9/11.
Does anyone actually think the US DOESN'T have spies in Israel?
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