Friday, February 16, 2007

The Dancing Jews Redux

Justin Retardo couldn't resist the new CounterPunch article giving him a hook to republish his crap about the five dancing Jews and the Israeli art students.

The story of how this line of investigation was suppressed, both in the law enforcement community and in the media, is a saga in itself. I know that Ketcham worked on this story long and hard, and had supposedly firm commitments from both Salon.com and The Nation to publish his work. Both projects were killed at the last minute, in one case an hour before it was scheduled to run. What’s particularly stupid, in the case of Salon, is that they ran his previous piece, on the "Israeli Art Student Mystery," years ago – and now refuse to follow up their own story.


And the reason for this mysterious refusal? It's because Ketcham is just recycling the same old story, with no new revelations.

As usual, Retardo takes basic facts--that five Israelis were jailed on 9-11 for suspicious behavior, that some Israeli art students were trying to infiltrate the Drug Enforcement Adminstration--and tries to weave it into Israeli foreknowledge of 9-11. But of course, the weak link is always this last part.

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the "urban mover" Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.


Oooooh, they lived within a six-mile radius of the hijackers on Flight 77! Now, as it happens, I grew up in Bergen County, New Jersey. According to the Census Bureau, Bergen County had a population density of 3,774 persons per square mile in 2000. A circle with a radius of 6 miles has an area of 113 square miles. Thus on average, there are approximately 425,000 people in a 6-mile radius in Bergen County, and that increases as you get closer to New York City, where the population is even denser.

Retardo isn't above patting himself on the back for his bravery in covering this story:

I have to tell you that it hasn’t been easy following this story over the years. I was told in the beginning, and in no uncertain terms, that this line of investigation is forbidden, that it’s "too hot to handle," and, implicitly, that the truth and the facts have to take second place to political correctness. To even mention this story, in certain quarters, is considered prima facie evidence of anti-Semitism. Case closed.


But hey, he's a tough guy and can handle the pressure; we can tell by that cigarette drooping from his lower lip.

Look, do I buy the notion that the Israelis may have been spying on the US, or on radical Muslim groups in New Jersey? Sure. Do I buy the possibility that the five dancing Jews may have insensitively celebrated the attacks because they saw it as waking up America to the dangers of terrorism? Sure. But do I buy that Raimondo and Ketcham have proven that Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks? Nope.

Update: For an exercise, check out the laughable comments on this story over at 9-11 Blogger. Remember, many of the Deniers don't believe that the hijackers existed and the rest think they were just "patsies", so Raimondo's claim that the Israelis were shadowing them causes quite a bit of cognitive dissonance, although of course many of them want to believe the Jews were responsible. When John Albanese rightly points out how hard it is to fit this into the rest of the conspiracy theory, they promptly vote his comment down three points. LOL!

They don't care if it fits any theory, it's just an opportunity to say, "Woo!"

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15 Comments:

At 16 February, 2007 08:19, Blogger Unknown said...

This is NOT just Justin R's story.

The fact that you focus on Justin shows a technique which is your stock in trade here at SLC Blog.

You start with details that have be published and substantiated in the MSM. You link someone that you want to smear who has voice an opinion or written on those details. You point out how outrageous that person's assertions are in the way they present or amplify those details. (You may be 100% on target on your criticism of your straw man).

You avoid the essential unanswered questions for further investigation that the original details raise.

 
At 16 February, 2007 09:41, Blogger Pat said...

BG, it was investigated. The five dancing Jews were imprisoned for 71 days, as even Raimondo's article states. Only in the fevered minds (using the term loosely) of the CTers does this imply that somehow it wasn't investigated.

 
At 16 February, 2007 10:06, Blogger Pat said...

The money is not all that significant, and the box cutters? They worked for a moving company!

 
At 16 February, 2007 10:37, Blogger Unknown said...

Pat,

As I expected, having seen your approach to every other 9/11 issue, your willingness to accept a clearly incomplete official story makes any debate we could have fruitless.

I find your approach disgraceful.

 
At 16 February, 2007 11:28, Blogger Alex said...

I find your existence distasteful.

 
At 16 February, 2007 11:44, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

The author may have not proven it to you, Pat, but has the MSM?

September 11, 2001: Five Israelis Arrested for Puzzling Behavior near WTC

The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.Five Israelis are arrested around 4:30 pm for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks: filming the burning WTC from the roof of their company’s building near Liberty State Park, New Jersey,so movers cary video cameras as SOP? Riight. then shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. A neighbor spotted them and called the police and the FBI. The police tracked them down in a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side. [Bergen Record, 9/12/2001; Ha'aretz, 9/17/2001] One man was found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another had two passports on him, and a box cutter was found in the van. [ABC News, 6/21/2002] Investigators say that “[t]here are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted... It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.” [Bergen Record, 9/12/2001] One of these Israelis later says, “our purpose was to document the event.” [ABC News, 6/21/2002] The FBI later concludes at least two are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [Forward, 3/15/2002] They are held on immigration violation charges, but are released 71 days later. [ABC News, 6/21/2002] Their names are later identified as Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. [Forward, 3/15/2002]

Israel knew it was coming. If you look at the number of warnings they issued there is not doubt they knew something was coming. The problem is when some try to link Israel to involvement.

September 4, 2001: Israeli Company Moves Out of WTC

The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. [Virginian-Pilot, 9/4/2001] Zim announced the move and its date six months earlier. [Virginian-Pilot, 4/3/2001] More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about ten are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/2001; Journal of Commerce, 10/18/2001] The move leaves only one Israeli company, ClearForest, with 18 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. The four or five employees in the building at the time manage to escape. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/2001] One year later, a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel. [Agence France-Presse, 3/29/2002]

I suppose one could speculate because the govt. of Israel issued many warnings to the US govt then a company partially owned by the Israeli govt. moves out of the WTC then perhaps they had specific knowledge of the target. If you wanted to speculate even further you could suggest that workers for the Zim company were the ones who rigged the buildings. Of course that doesn't jell with the State's warnings to the U.S. unless Mossad was working outside of the control of the state. Pure speculation of course.



Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001: Were they part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers and knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA?

Odigo says workers were warned of attack: Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen.

Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack: Officials at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks.

Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks: ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

Mossad warned CIA of attacks - report: Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday.

Fox News Series on Israeli Spying in the US: In mid December, Fox News Channel ran a blockbuster series on Israeli spying in the US contending that Israeli intelligence had advanced information about the Sept. 11 attacks before the fact.

Massive Spy Ring Linked to Sept. 11: Some people thought they had buried the story of Israeli foreknowledge of the impending 9-11 terrorist attacks, but now that story is taking on a new life of its own.

Report: U.S. Breaks Up Major Israeli Spy Ring; Speculation: Mossad Was Aware of Sept. 11 Preparations: Authorities in the United States have broken up a network of Israeli spies living in the US who were burrowing into the justice and defense departments, a French website specializing in intelligence matters reported Monday.

Report details US 'intelligence failures': The paper has uncovered details of a major Israeli spy ring involving some a 120 agents for the intelligence service Mossad operating across America and some masquerading as arts students.

 
At 16 February, 2007 12:06, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

BG, great points!

 
At 16 February, 2007 12:36, Blogger What Would Grape Ape Do? said...

Why don't you two get a room?

 
At 16 February, 2007 12:38, Blogger Alex said...

They wouldn't know what to do in it.

 
At 16 February, 2007 12:44, Blogger Unknown said...

alex and dean,

Great debating points you are making!

 
At 16 February, 2007 13:41, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

Why don't you two get a room?

For some reason this reminds me of Pat, James and Nico...Hmmm, if they're all hot boys, I'll watch!

 
At 16 February, 2007 16:01, Blogger Alex said...

How would you know, Bill? You can't tell a debate from a playground fight, but you feel you can tell whether a debate is good or bad? Please. The best thing you could do at this point is never open your mouth again. You know what they say: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

 
At 17 February, 2007 11:22, Blogger Unknown said...

Alex said...

Alex,

It is you who have discredited yourself with your multitude of ad hominem attacks.

 
At 17 February, 2007 11:32, Blogger Alex said...

Calling you an idiot is not ad-hominem, it's a statement of fact.

 
At 17 February, 2007 21:13, Blogger Critical_Thinker said...

Do I buy the possibility that the five dancing Jews may have insensitively celebrated the attacks because they saw it as waking up America to the dangers of terrorism? Sure.


Sad and funny at the same time.

 

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