Wednesday, February 14, 2007

More Urantia

Now some of the anti-Nico folks at the NY 9-11 Denier group have taken up the issue.

Well here it goes. This is what is going on:
1. Les Jamison has called and emailed leaders and members of national 9/11 truth movements saying I, Luke Rudkowski, and Tom Foti are infiltrators. This is because Tom has asked Les a question about his involvement in Urantia. Which he publicly lied to the group about. It should be noted, I had to find from people all over the country about Les' attempt to slander me.

All Tom did was write an email about our public meeting where we established a public policy, and suggested that you accept the invitation for a televised discussion about questions regarding your religious associations.

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16 Comments:

At 14 February, 2007 15:24, Blogger Unknown said...

Pat,

Your focus on this minutie really is below the standards that I think you and James would desire to uphold.

I know many people think I am a deranged spammer, so who am I to criticize?

But, really. Are you that lazy? Are you so sure that you don't want to discuss real debating points (such as those raised here: flight path of Flight 77) that you simply will post about squabbles among people for whom you have no respect regardless of the topic.

 
At 14 February, 2007 15:33, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

Urantia:

WHO CARES?!?

 
At 14 February, 2007 16:49, Blogger Pat said...

I'm going to agree with you two here. It's interesting to me but probably not to readers.

 
At 14 February, 2007 17:27, Blogger Unknown said...

I think its interesting because it gives a better understanding of the inner workings of the truthers.

 
At 14 February, 2007 21:09, Blogger Mark Roberts said...

My plan has worked perfectly. There will now be deniers at Ground Zero battling each other.

Bwahahaha!

 
At 15 February, 2007 00:35, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

BG, where are the "real debating points" on that page? All I can see is a load of self-promoting flannel about how great their film will be.

And what are the issues, anyway? That an out-of-context quote implies the flight path of Flight 77 would be too difficult for a novice pilot? That the local gas station hasn't turned over its video footage of the crash? These have all been discussed on this blog; for the most part, the CT'ers 'evidence' is the same as it was when this blog started. Given such a paucity of new material, it's hardly surprising that Pat would rather post about amusing but trivial events rather than rehash the same arguments for the eight thousandth time for the benefit of people who think that answers they don't like are de facto invalid.

 
At 15 February, 2007 06:52, Blogger Unknown said...

Der Bruno Stroszek said...

There's a video preview that's available of the upcoming full video.

The biggest point that Pat and James haven't addressed, mostly because there no good way to debunk it, is that the NTSB released flight path data for Flight 77:

1) varies significantly from the 9/11 Commission released data

2) doesn't indicate a flight path that passes over the downed light poles

3) doesn't indicate a stick position and control and altitude that implies the aircraft was low enough to the groud to strike the Pentagon

 
At 15 February, 2007 11:10, Blogger Alex said...

You make these statements without a shred of evidence, and then wonder why everyone thinks you're a moron.

 
At 16 February, 2007 09:48, Blogger Unknown said...

Some of the evidence is on This Page

 
At 16 February, 2007 11:38, Blogger Alex said...

Yes, I remember that page. That reminds me, when are you going to come by and let me show you how effective boxcutters are?

I asked for EVIDENCE, not some deluded asshole making arguments from personal incredulity.

 
At 16 February, 2007 13:33, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

"I asked for EVIDENCE, not some deluded asshole making arguments from personal incredulity."

I see that alot around here--on both sides. You should be used to it by now.;-P

 
At 16 February, 2007 16:08, Blogger Alex said...

Not really. Sure there's some of that on our side, but mainly because you idiots keep pushing insane ideas with zero evidence. If you actually had evidence for your claims and we STILL refused to believe because of personal incredulity, then that'd be a logical fallacy, sure. As it is, it's not an irrational response. Whereas that idiot that bill links to...well, he's RTFO, and I'd love to show him and bill just how effective boxcutters can be.

 
At 16 February, 2007 17:05, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

Whereas that idiot that bill links to...well, he's RTFO, and I'd love to show him and bill just how effective boxcutters can be.

COURAGE.COM, much?

 
At 17 February, 2007 09:29, Blogger Alex said...

huh?

 
At 20 February, 2007 01:05, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

huh?

Having a passive-agressive moment, are you, our Alex?

 
At 10 April, 2007 13:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of this started because myself and other NPSC activists started tio demand that the 9/11 truth movement democratize. When we walked out of the church a few months before all this chaos luke and his friends exposed themselves for who they are by threatening people with violence. Jamieson recognizing that Luke and his wannabe thugs could get him into trouble decided that he has to get rid of Luke. You can read the flyers I handed out for a proposed democratization of the group as well as other essays on nopolicestatecoalition.blogspot.com

 

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