Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Free At Last!

Okay, looks like Knudson knuckled under and removed some of the confirmed "no-shows" for the 9-11 Accountability Conference in Chandler. Local ACLU head Alessandra Soler Meetze, the Looser than Words crew and Alex Jones have all been dropped from the program. Eric Williams is still mentioned on the Vendors' Page, however.

BTW, a little bird told me that I may be "challenged" to appear at the Accountability Conference myself, to which I reply that there's an email addy over at the right where challenges may be sent. Air America Phoenix/Nova M Radio has been running ads for the conference mentioning something about a "dialogue with debunkers" and I was actually cited over the air during Saturday's "Truth to Power Hour" on that station. Send me an email guys, I won't bite your heads off, and I'll let you make your pitch.

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At 14 February, 2007 20:58, Blogger Dog Town said...

Down goes Fazier...down goes...
Not that they are the Big F, but you understand! Nice job guy's you made this happen! Tip O' the Sword!

At 14 February, 2007 23:18, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

Send me an email guys, I won't bite your heads off, and I'll let you make your pitch.

You must really want to speak to Jew haters, Holocaust deniers, and plain straight-up fruitpies from the Left.

I, for one, would rather that they just get some social disease and fade away.

At 15 February, 2007 00:42, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

It's like the debate over whether evolutionary biologists should debate with creationists - doesn't it just give them a legitimacy they don't deserve? A lot of Intelligent Design advocates post news that they've been invited to speak with real scientists as a victory - it doesn't matter whether they win the debate or not, the fact that they're speaking on equal terms with professionals is enough of a victory for them.

Of course, if you don't agree to debate them, they take this to mean you don't have sufficient evidence to challenge their ideas, so it's a case of heads I win, tails you lose (classic conspiracy logic). Personally, I'd rather risk granting them a little legitimacy and debate them, and then there's at least an outside chance that some CT'ers might hear a bit of common sense and realise how ridiculous their ideas are.

At 15 February, 2007 07:29, Blogger Pat said...

Simon, I didn't say I'd go, I said I'd listen to their pitch. I am probably going to attend the press conference with some handouts to emphasize that these are not harmless cranks, but I don't see much to be gained by engaging in a dialogue with them.

At 15 February, 2007 10:39, Blogger BG said...

Make some noise, people?

What's up?

At 15 February, 2007 15:02, Blogger Pepik said...

I'd say go for it.

What's the point of all this debunking if you won't do it in person? Why is blogging it OK but not doing it in person?

At 15 February, 2007 15:20, Blogger Manny said...

Also, you can't share a beer with your fellow debunkers over a blog. Make a day out of it. Gather up others from the area, pass out the fliers and then go consume some microbrews.

But yeah, don't get on a stage with them at one of their events. I think after the Gravy/Pomeroo thrashing of them debunkers should only meet with them directly if they manage to get MSM attention, like with the Beeb.

At 16 February, 2007 10:02, Blogger Pat said...

Pepik, there are a couple of issues. One, I am not convinced that Eric Williams is really out of this event; it appears that he's just been moved out of the spotlight. Second, this is not an audience of fence-sitters or 9-11 Denial curious people like we get from the Google searches; these are the true believers, folks that I have zero chance of swaying. And finally, they have not asked me, and it's now a week before the conference. My Saturday is already booked, and I have tentative plans for Sunday.

At 16 February, 2007 18:36, Blogger Col. Jenny Sparks said...

Now, Pat--none of that would have stopped Mark Roberts.

As for pepik, I respect where you're coming from. But don't wait for a "leader"--you believe in something just do it. Just remember--it's about the people and the reasons you're concerned, NOT about YOU.

We're not important, neither one of us. The ordinary people are.


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