Do-Over Boy Looking for Help
Dylan puts out a plea for assistance:
As you may or may not be aware, the legendary Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada will be imploded at approximately 2:30 AM on Tuesday, March 13th. The nearby main road is being closed off between midnight and 4:00 A.M, and all signs nail the demolition at 2:30 AM.
The more steady, descriptive shots the better. We'll do whatever we can to compensate those that shoot footage. If you happen to get some coverage of it, please let us know.
Also, Professor Steven Jones is requesting dust samples. Anyone who can help us both out wiil be thanked extensively. In fact, anyone who helps us will get a special credit in the Final Cut.
Of course, Dylan provided plenty of advance notice on this; he posted his request at 7:30 last night, about 7 hours before the building came down (yep, it's too late to get your name in Dylan's cruddy movie).
Here's a video of what the Stardust looked like about a month ago; amazing how much stuff they cleared out, unlike in that WTC job a few years back. This also reveals how goofy Steven Jones' request for dust is; let me guess, he's going to use this to prove that the sulfur at the WTC didn't come from drywall?
Video of the implosion here.
Update: Here's a YouTube Video:
Leave it to Las Vegas to turn it into a production number. Unfortunately, you can't actually see the building come down; you get a better view here:
posted by Pat @ 9:26 AM
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43 Comments:
"Of course, Dylan provided plenty of advance notice on this; he posted his request at 7:30 last night, about 7 hours before the building came down (yep, it's too late to get your name in Dylan's cruddy movie)."
Hey, that's not bad for a guy who uses a calendar as a stopwatch.
Like hey man, the demolition guys were in on it.
I mean, like they must have known it was going to happen, even if I just found out.
They did this in Vegas, I mean like what are the odds on that?
Now the demo guys are in on it
LOL
Troy,
Did you get to help out on this job?
Cool Reason Always Convinces 'Em
Also, Professor Steven Jones is requesting dust samples.
Heh.
I saw the final few seconds or so of countdown plus a few seconds of the collapse this morning on the 6 am Eastern news. I was impressed at how clean the collapse was, and how everything fell into itself. There was no audio of the explosion, because the news presenters were talking.
lol. Dylan's gonna have a fit when he realizes that this demo looked absolutely nothing like WTC7.
Dylan's first thought upon seeing a video of this is that he's going to have to play some background music real loud to cover over the sound of those explosive charges.
OMG! You could totally c teh super-duper thermite going off!!!!!11
Oh Jeez, after looking at your blogroll, it is obvious that this blog is driven by politics and not facts. "Moonbat" monitor? And the Pablum spewing Little Green Footballs?
Oh yeah, no Political Agenda here.
I see, delete what you don't want other to see.
The Stardust and Blg 7 were of dissimalar construction. Both demolitions are dissimilar because of that and the intent of both purpose driven events.
'Course facts are your strong point. Personal attacks are.
Peace.
The Stardust and Blg 7 were of dissimalar construction. Both demolitions are dissimilar because of that and the intent of both purpose driven events.
Also, 7 World Trade Center didn't have a huge honkin' neon countdown across the entire height of the building. So why do you suppose Do-Over is so hot to get some footage and some dust? Relatedly, why hasn't he previously collected dust and/or footage in all the years he's been "researching." It's not like these things are rare.
In other news, pablum doesn't mean what I think you think it means.
The Stardust and Blg 7 were of dissimalar construction. Both demolitions are dissimilar because of that and the intent of both purpose driven events.
So why is Dylan trying to use it as evidence? Could it be because he's an untrained halfwit with no idea about building construction and a standard of evidence that would make a Flat Earther blush? All signs point to: yes!
And I always love it when a Truther says the "method" or "purpose" of the WTC 'demolitions' were different from a standard demolition. Yeah, so dissimilar that every trained expert thinks it looks nothing like a controlled demolition. They set off a bunch of near-silent explosives in the basement to facilitate a top-down collapse after hitting the buildings with a plane which somehow didn't disrupt the cables, etc needed to perform the demolition. Ingenious!
'Course facts are your strong point.
Glad to see you came round to our way of thinking eventually...
Der Bruno Stroszek
Proves the point with his childish insults.
I'm not defending Avery. In fact it is a film I do not recommend and I am on record stating that.
Why is it all the people who believe and strongly defend the Government's 911 Conspiracy Theory are also Bush supporters?
Because for them to think otherwise, would question the validity of their core beliefs.
Nice. Changing the comments to fit the agenda.
When ya want to keep your minions believing your bs, Delete, Edit and lie.
manny- Pablum is what the babies here and at LGF spew and you swallow.
changing the comments? buddy, please. just because you're a conspiracy nut, doesn't mean you have to extend you conspiracies to include pat and james.
Why is it all the people who believe and strongly defend the Government's 911 Conspiracy Theory are also Bush supporters?
Hahahahahaha! My favourite Twoofer argumentative fallacy pops up again. As I've pointed out repeatedly in these comments, I'm nowhere near a Bush supporter. But you went ahead and assumed I was without having any evidence for it. Now isn't it interesting how Truthers keep arguing like this? If they want it to be true, then dammit, it is true! Stop spoiling our fun with your facts and logic!
human said:
"Why is it all the people who believe and strongly defend the Government's 911 Conspiracy Theory are also Bush supporters?"
Does the name "Perry Logan" ring a bell?
Gosh, nothing against the stellar work done here by a couple of rare conservatives, (I think?) but some of the most widely read and viewed, effective and vicious hits against the "truth" movement have come from the left-wing media and figures on the left. In many cases, HARD left.
BBC (recent expose')
Counterpunch (Cockburn)
In These Times (Terry Allen)
Guardian (Monbiot)
Chomsky
Salon
many more...
In addition to that, the relative silence by the major media, which is basically left-leaning, surely can't be viewed as supportive of the "truth" movement. In fact whenever they do discuss it, it's done from the standpoint of ridicule and/or disgust.
CNN....Paula Zahn, the whole anti-semite thing?
Truthers in reality have few supporters outside of their own kooky kult.
And the Pablum spewing Little Green Footballs?
Oh noes! Pointing out radical Islam is pap!
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
Human wrote: "I see, delete what you don't want other to see."
Actually, troy's a debunker... more or less. He's just awfully offensive, apparently.
You should at least familiarize yourself with a new environment if you plan on spouting off as if you know anything.
Just to clarify, Troy posted a cellphone number that he claimed to belong to Korey Rowe. I deleted the phone number because a) I don't know it's really Korey's phone, and b) this thing is not about harassing people. I support 100000% Korey's right to believe what he wants to believe and to say it. He's earned that right doubly with me as a US military veteran. But I still have the right to criticize his opinions as bunk, as he does towards mine.
He's earned that right doubly with me as a US military veteran.
No.
In fact it's quite the opposite. 9-11 conspiracy theory is more than just wrong on every single factual claim, it is also a lie wich can only embolden the enemy and demoralize US and allied troops. His actions since 9-11 border on open treason (the only debate is wich side of that border he is on).
Furthermore, as you and James reported previously on this blog, Rowe has lied about various aspects of his service. So his alleged veterancy is highly doubtable.
That being said, you did the right thing to protect yourselves from legal repercussions should an overzealous debunker attempted to harrass the modern-day "Lord Haw-Haw".
SoT, his service at least shows that at some point in his life, he cared about standing up for his nation, and knew the difference between right and wrong. The fact that he has turned into a lunatic since then is unfortunate, but I still respect him for his service. There are many Vietnam vets today who are penniless alcoholics, or are certifiably insane, but those things in no way invalidate their service.
So, send the damned dust. Even you atheists can't be against that. Have the damned dust tested. Who cares? What will it hurt. If you want to, say testing the dust is proof of holocaust denial via James B.' propaganda.
Alex - I have the deepest respect and sympathy for homeless veterans as well as those afflicted by disability or illness related to their service.
Korey Rowe, on the other hand, has no excuses. When not advocating the enemies position, he is assaulting the honor of the men and women of NORAD. He accuses these servicemen from both the US and Canada of participating in and covering up the murders of those they swore to protect.
Korey Rowe accuses Chief Petty Officer Bernard Brown Sr. USN, of murdering his own son and walking away from his post at the pentagon knowing it was about to be attacked abandoning his comrades to their fate.
Benedict Arnold was a hero of the American War of Independence before he tried to sellout West Point to the British. Today, Arnolds name is synonymous with traitor. Rowe has turned against his country and its allies and has more than blotted out whatever minor contribution he made before then.
It has been said that "every man has his price", that anyone would sell their honor if offered enough. I like to think that is not true, that there are those who would never sell out. But in the case of Korey Rowe, we know his price.
It's 17.95 per dvd.
You have a point.
Test the damned dust and compare it to existing sa,ples from the WTC. I am curious. Even atheists would be curious as it would silence all inquiries regarding logical fallacies. Compare and contrast my friends. Or just say nutbar, twoofer, etc., and convince your atheist selves that that is productive.
Testing the dust from a CD would just backfire in their face. I'm sure that the samples would probably contain trace amounts of nitrates or other explosive compounds. These where not found in the WTC "dust" so that would totally go against their "it was a classic CD" BS argument.
So, as an inquisitive atheist, you are against testing this damned dust? Even famous atheist Joe Nickel would be willing to test the dust. Even Skeptic Magazine (your humanist bible) would be willing to test the dust.
It's not that richard is saying they shouldn't test the dust, he's saying that it would be completely pointless and likely not come back with the result they so clearly want. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can see that's what he's saying; you, however, are a swivel-eyed obsessive fundamentalist nutcase with the intelligence of a house plant and a list of psychotic disorders the length of War and Peace, so it's not surprising that you can't.
How did you get out of my post that I didn't want the dust sampled? You really are dense. Yes I want the dust tested, for several reasons actually.
1. Scientifically speaking I'm curious as to what can be found in the dust of a building that was CD'ed.
2. I'm 100% sure that if dust was sampled it would further add to the evidence that there was no demolition of any kind on 9/11. As a skeptic that kinda fits into the general point I'm trying to make.
So to answer a question that should have never been asked, yes I want the stupid dust analyzed.
OK, atheist Richard. I laud you answer. The dust shall be tested and the comparison results published. Thank you. I don't care, I just think we should test the crap.
Thank you. I don't care, I just think we should test the crap.
So you honestly think that the government killed 3,000 of its own citizens but you don't care if the dust is tested? How bad to do want the "truth"?
So you think that I "think" the government (which government) killed 3 thousand of it's own citizens?
You guys are pretty good. But the arguments are growing thin. have a meeting or something.
Growing thin? Deniers can't even come up with a unified idea of what happened on 9/11, and it's been over 5 years. Maybe you guys should set up a meeting. Just make sure not to include prominent holocaust deniers at it.
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Just make sure not to include prominent holocaust deniers at it.
You do a disservice to all the soldiers, including my relatives who fought and were cut down while attempting to liberate those camps, Mr. brainstem. Dragging the holocaust into this discussion is a cowardly act, soldier--your atheist self is really showing now.
Yes, everyone, be sure not to tell Holocaust deniers that they're Holocaust deniers! Doing so is an insult to the troops who liberated Dachau, according to our resident psychotic.
You do a disservice to all the soldiers, including my relatives who fought and were cut down while attempting to liberate those camps, Mr. brainstem. Dragging the holocaust into this discussion is a cowardly act, soldier--your atheist self is really showing now.
Maybe in your messed up world but this is Earth. Holocaust deniers do a disservice to veterans because they dismiss what they saw. You do a disservice to those who were liberated and those who liberated because you fail to point out how terrible the holocaust deniers are within the ranks of the truthers. I have not heard or seen one iota of evidence that shows your dedication to stopping them. Your a coward, not I. Your attitude towards myself, CENTCOM and the milblogs out there do a great disservice to those who serve.
Der Bruno Stroszek THe problem with most people is that 97% of statistics are made up on the spot.
You seem to BE very closed minded to how Military grade explosives and detonators work.
These are not available to the private sector for obvious reasons.
You talk of cables being disrupted by the planes hitting the towers.
Consider the possibility that they were using remote detonations, a much more precise and alternatively active way of bringing down a building.
Using computer sensor programming which make allowances for where and how much damage was done to the buildings by the planes and giving a precise route for the demolitions detonations to take in order to have the buildings come straight down rather than having at least 30 floors topple into the street.
Think outside the square and you might just start to sound like you know what you are talking about.
THINK MILITARY NOT PRIVATE ORGANISATIONS AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THE POWER THEY HAVE IN ALL AREAS IS FAR GREATER THAN WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR COULD EVER HAVE OR KNOW. "NATIONAL SECURITY YOU KNOW"
When ever I see a you people speak of explosives, you speak in small terms, which is about where you really are. Think big, this was a big event, think of it that way and your little brains won't shrink any more than they have.
Well, having served in the military as well as being a former US Army Armorer I have a pretty damn good knowledge of ordinance. Detcord/primacord is the best way to control an explosive train because the explosive rate is very precise and easy to predict. In order to effectively bring down a building you have to think of every variable, even something as small as the speed of electricity through a medium. Using wireless detonators IS NOT the most accurate or efficient way of detonating an explosive. First off, the detonator still has to be connected to the explosive device so it is just as susceptible to being knocked off as detcord is. Second, the control over an electronic detonator isn't as safe as detcord. In a building full of wifi connections, bluetooth, radios, cell phones and miles of electrical cable the last thing I would want to do is stick a RF detonator in there. For example, occasionally in Iraq IED's would go off just from the static charge generated by a nearby radio. The chance of it going off and tipping everyone off to something is to high to risk it. Bottom line is truthers know jack shit when it comes to explosives or military technology. You call us small minded? You don't even listen to experts within relevant fields such as myself.
The whole reason why I even bother posting is to debunk truthers who think they know it all from playing SOCOM or AA.
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