Monday, February 01, 2010

Sibel Edmonds, 9-11 Truther

Well, well. Brad Friedman assured me in a telephone conversation about a year and a half ago that Sibel was not a Troofer, but it looks like that no longer applies.

Alex Jones: So you wouldn't be surprised like many others, because of the evidence and the cover-up you've seen, if 9/11 was an inside job?

Sibel Edmonds: At this point, I'd have to say no, I wouldn't be surprised.

Alex Jones: Do you think the evidence is leaning towards that?

Sibel Edmonds: Well, again, considering the level of cover-up and the length at which they have gone to gag people and prevent information-- this information from coming out, I would say yes.


Hat Tip to Debunking the Debunkers. No matter how much John-Michael dances around the point, the fact is that Sibel lied to the 9-11 Commission about the contents of the Chicago Tribune article she cited in her letter.

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56 Comments:

At 01 February, 2010 05:25, Blogger Billman said...

Apparently Osama is now blaming us for Global Warming...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35141796/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

 
At 01 February, 2010 06:16, Anonymous Spud1k said...

Perhaps he'd rather the US didn't import so much oil from the middle east?

 
At 01 February, 2010 07:50, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

What Chicago Tribune article would that be, Pat?

Whatever the truth of that, the coverup she discovered going on at the FBI was real enough for the DOJ/FBI officials to acknowledge and really it doesn't sound like her argument is diminishing in strength over time. Unlike pretty much everything the so-called "debunkers" ever had to bring to the table.

 
At 01 February, 2010 08:04, Anonymous ConsDemo said...

Bore-ass, this is probably over your head (just like everything else) but the fact that someone may have tried to cover up their own incompentence for failing to prevent a crime DOESN'T mean they committed the crime. Only a conspriatorial moron such as yourself would instantly make that leap.

 
At 01 February, 2010 08:55, Blogger Triterope said...

really it doesn't sound like her argument is diminishing in strength over time.

It went from a 60 Minutes segment in 2002, to an independent documentary film in 2006, to bradblog.com in 2008, to Pat Buchanan's dying political magazine in 2009, to the Alex Jones Show in 2010. I'd sure call that diminishing.

 
At 01 February, 2010 08:56, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

You know what?

I wish "they" would gag bore-ass.



BTW, has anyone ever figured out who "they" are?

 
At 01 February, 2010 08:59, Blogger Pat said...

Boris, did you ever learn how to follow links? Go to the Debunking the Debunkers post, and then follow their link to my post on Sibel explaining how she lied.

 
At 01 February, 2010 09:35, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Boris, did you ever learn how to follow links? Go to the Debunking the Debunkers post, and then follow their link to my post on Sibel explaining how she lied.

Here we go, Pat at his usual evasive anonymous self!

Well, guess what, I found this link. All it illustrates is that what Ms Edmonds says differs from what the Star Tribune had reported. Note that the actual record of the unnamed FBI source's revelations is not presented; hence we have a potential for misinterpretation or deception. The potential exists for both the Star Tribune and Sibel Edmonds. You clearly have not accounted for that; perhaps this is why you wouldn't simply furnish the relevant links but would rather hide them under the layers of references hoping no one would check on that.

 
At 01 February, 2010 09:48, Blogger Pat said...

"The press reported this incident, and a report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004, stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001."

Except that the Chicago Tribune report did not say what she said it did. In fact, it contradicted her on several points.

 
At 01 February, 2010 10:25, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Pat,

Sibel Edmonds may have not been precise in what she was saying; the FBI acknowledged the receipt of the information, yet characterized it differently. I don't know if there is deception involved here on anybody's part; that does not cancel the fact that many improprieties Edmonds reported were acknowledged as legitimate by none other that the FBI/DOJ officials.

And, personally, I'd be far more inclined to believe someone like Ms Edmonds who has put so much on the line to do do what she considered her duty than someone like you who is little but an anonymous Internet nobody.

 
At 01 February, 2010 10:40, Anonymous Traffic Cop said...

"And, personally, I'd be far more inclined to believe someone like Ms Edmonds"

Of course you would. Little chatterbox Sibel has a husband who must be near 75 years old now who use to be a big supporter of both Bushes. At least he was while the government contracts were rolling in.

Now that they aren't it sucks to not be able to afford your $3,000,000 house.

She's also another that likes to dabble in creating "charitable" organizations and then not file the proper documents.

She's an axe grinding bitch - just ask Kingfisher!

BTW - where the hell did hemmorROID RAGE go?

 
At 01 February, 2010 11:34, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Whatever the truth of that, the coverup she discovered going on at the FBI was real enough for the DOJ/FBI officials to acknowledge and really it doesn't sound like her argument is diminishing in strength over time.'

Would that be the cover-up involving the US government, the Turks, the Israelis, the Russian Mafia, the Pakistanis, the Taliban, the Northern Alliance, the Vatican Bank, the Illuminati, Stewie Griffin and Garry Coleman? Please enlighten me if I missed anyone out.

BTW Boris, your photo is hilarious. Did someone set your head on fire and then put it out with a shovel?

 
At 01 February, 2010 11:50, Blogger Triterope said...

I checked the media links on that other blog. I see the Twooftards are up to their usual standards of timeliness:

Reuters report from June 6, 2004

WorldNetDaily, 3/24/2004; Salon, 3/26/2004; WorldNetDaily, 4/6/2004; Village Voice, 4/14/2004

Independent, 4/2/2004

08/15/05 "Vanity Fair"


And the American regime being accused of these acts was democratically removed from office over a year ago. If Sibel Edmonds ever had anything of value, it's too late to do anything with it. Nobody cared in 2006, and nobody's going to care now, except 9-11 Truther losers, desperate to cling to anything that might support their fantasy.

 
At 01 February, 2010 11:55, Anonymous New Yorker said...

With Roid Rage nowhere to be found, I'm glad we have Boris Esptein to hold down the fort while Brian Good remains in a straightjacket somewhere.

 
At 01 February, 2010 12:15, Anonymous Damocles said...

When will whistle blowers learn that going on Alex Jones' show is not the best way to build your credibility?
I found Sibel Edmunds' stories to be very interesting until I learned that she was associated with the 9-11 "truth" movement, which wasn't for a while after I had initially heard of hear. She really doesn't have much to say about 9-11. The real meat of her accusations are much more interesting.
She basically claims that the US, Turkey's deep state, and the Mossad are cooperating to undermine nuclear non-proliferation by actively transferring nuclear technologies to to various villains, primarily through Turkey. She also claims that the Turks and the Israelis have spies within the US government (duh), presumably the ones stealing nuclear secrets. She also suggests that Valerie Plame was outed by this crime syndicate, not Robert Novak, because she got too close to the Turkish connection.
I'm not sure what any of this would have to do with 9-11, but its all way too complex for most conspiracy folks who myopically focus on finding evidence to support their own ideas about 9-11 (see Alex Jones).
A vast network of Nuke smugglers? whatever, tell us about 9-11!
The few things she's said about 9-11 seem to suggest a cover up of incompetence or LIHOP at best.
Personally, I find the idea that we looked the other way to transfer nuclear secrets to our allies much, much, much more believable than any of the prevailing 9-11 conspiracies; but they're probably all bunk. Maybe we'll get a good spy thriller out of it one day.

 
At 01 February, 2010 12:17, Blogger Pat said...

Boris, you don't have a clue as to what the word "anonymous" means, do you?

 
At 01 February, 2010 12:48, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Boris, you don't have a clue as to what the word "anonymous" means, do you?

According to Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: anon·y·mous
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈnä-nə-məs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin anonymus, from Greek anōnymos, from a- + onyma name — more at name
Date: 1631

1 : not named or identified
2 : of unknown authorship or origin
3 : lacking individuality, distinction, or recognizability

— anon·y·mous·ly adverb

— anon·y·mous·ness noun


Someone identified as "Pat" (a very common male name all over the English-speaking world) with an "unavailable profile" I think fits the definition fairly well.

 
At 01 February, 2010 12:58, Blogger Triterope said...

Someone identified as "Pat" (a very common male name all over the English-speaking world) with an "unavailable profile" I think fits the definition fairly well.

Now that's the obtuse, incompetent, stalker Boris we all remember.

 
At 01 February, 2010 13:11, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Now that's the obtuse, incompetent, stalker Boris we all remember.

We'll leave the "obtuse and incompetent" part alone for now - that's your opinion which you are free to form as you see fit.

Care to elaborate on the "stalker" part?

 
At 01 February, 2010 13:42, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Boris,

Serious question: hae you ever had a lobotomy?

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:05, Blogger Pat said...

Borat must be the only "Truther" in existence who doesn't know my full name and address. Even by Troofer standards, that's pretty dumb.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:07, Anonymous Marc said...

"Edmonds saying that Osama bin Laden worked for the U.S. right up until 9/11 has much supporting evidence. This evidence includes a report from one of the most reputable French papers, Le Figaro, which claims that a CIA agent met with bin Laden two months before 9/11."

"Reputable" and "French paper" do not often go together. I certainly would not cite them as a source. While we're talking about sources the gold-standard is three independant sources and all three have to be on the record. An unnamed source, if reliable, should be able to lead you to a named source. There are no named sources other than Edmonds. Thus, sloppy research leads to sloppy logic.

"Author Richard Labeviere later wrote a book, where he said 'a Gulf prince who presented himself as an adviser to the Emir of Bahrain' confirmed the meeting, which had been arranged by Prince Turki al-Faisal of Saudi Arabia.

Confirmation? Maybe, but again we don't know the source, so there’s no way to determine its accuracy."

Hasn't this site ever heard that a good reporter never reveals their sources?"


Labeviere is notorious for making shit up.

"The evidence supporting Edmonds also includes a CIA commander stating the U.S. let bin Laden escape from Afghanistan, French soldiers stating they could have killed Bin Laden, but were not allowed by American commanders, and an Al Qaeda trainer who it turns out worked with the Green Berets, CIA, and FBI!"


Let us take these one by one.

In the books "Jawbreaker", and "Kill Bin Laden", both authors express frustration that they were not allowed to pursue bin Laden into Afghanistan. However, if one actually reads these books (which are both outstanding) it becomes clear that there were two main factors on the ground in Afghanistan: 1- During the final push on the AQ stronghold there was a devistating break in the assault initiated by the local warlords to negotiate a surrender. This turned out to be a trick to let AQ escape. 2- There were zero French soldiers in Afghanistan in 2001 when this campain took place. The only foriegn personel were a few British SBS and SAS operators. 3- It is true that AQ had a mole at Fort Bragg at the JFK Special Warfare School. We got skunked. However, we didn't know the guy was AQ.

Bin Laden is not a mysterious guy. If you have read Billy Waugh or the account of bin Laden's nephew then you'd know that OBL is consistant as clockwork. One thing that has been consistant is his hatred of America, and the idea that he worked for CIA is as much of an insult to him as it is to the CIA. Look, terrorism is bad for business at every level. Security is an expense that has little bankable return. Keeping a population in a state of fear costs more money than it is worth. Plus, a happy popualtion is easier to control than an unhappy population. So once again the twisted logic of the troofers falls apart in the face of reality.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:07, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

I just can't believe that, after all this time, Borat is still pursuing this loser failed religion.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:12, Blogger Triterope said...

Care to elaborate on the "stalker" part?

Well, there were about a dozen times where you threatened to visit me in person in my hometown. That sorta sticks in my long-term memory.

As does your pathological obsession with people's "real" information, and your constant demands that they provide it. (Even when it's very easy to find, as in Pat's case, which is why I called you incompetent.)

I'll stand by my characterization of you as a stalker; I'm sure you'll readily prove it over the next few months. And hey, I'm not the only one who thinks it.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:19, Anonymous Damocles said...

Marc
It's also worth mentioning that the only thing OBL might hate more than the United States is the government of Saudi Arabia. So the idea that they are collaborating with him, or that we are collaborating with him through them, is absurd. He was insulted when in the aftermath of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, the Saudis invited "infidel" Americans into The Kingdom for their defense. He thought that he and his holy mujaheddin could repel Saddam's (fifth largest in the world) army. He felt snubbed that the Saudis would entrust the security of the Land of the Two Holy Places (or whatever they call it) to Americans over him. He's wanted to topple them (and us) ever since.
Just because we and OBL had common enemies in the Soviets in the 1980's doesn't mean we were best of buddies. Once that common enemy vanished, any pretense of cooperation vanished with it.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:47, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Well, there were about a dozen times where you threatened to visit me in person in my hometown. That sorta sticks in my long-term memory.

As does your pathological obsession with people's "real" information, and your constant demands that they provide it. (Even when it's very easy to find, as in Pat's case, which is why I called you incompetent.)


I don't believe I ever threatened you in any way, form or share, Sir or Madam! Given your anonymity I have no way of knowing where else I may have communicated to you but I do not ever issue threats to anybody.

Nor do I have an obsession with anybody's identity; nor do I intend to search for that of "Pat". If I want to introduce myself to somebody I simply do so, I do not instruct them to investigate; in your neck of the woods things may be different but that, in all honesty, does not concern me.

 
At 01 February, 2010 14:57, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

Hey, Boris Borisevich is back! How's it going , BoBo? Not going so well for the twoof, is it?

 
At 01 February, 2010 15:08, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Nor do I have an obsession with anybody's identity"

Ah, there's the Boris Stupidovich we all know and abhor.

Boris, you still didn't anwser my question: have you ever had a lobotomy?

Maybe you're really a pod person?

Maybe prions eating away at your brain?

Becasue, really, nobody can be as obsessively moronic as you are and be, you know, normal.

 
At 01 February, 2010 17:00, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Here's one of Borat's greatest hits:

Borat knew that I was an attorney in Rochester, NY. That much was true at that point. He kept hounding me and hounding me for my last name. So eventually I made one up, but, unfortunately, I made up a last name that resulted in exactly one attorney in Rochester, NY. So apparently Borat kept calling that guy. I felt bad about that, actually.

This was among other incidents of his stalking behavior.

GIVE BORIS EPSTEIN PERSONAL INFORMATION AT YOUR PERIL!!!

 
At 01 February, 2010 18:14, Blogger Billman said...

I guess Boris feels that because the archives are mostly gone since haloscan up and bailed on it's freebie status, that we cannot provide evidence of things he has said in the past...

 
At 01 February, 2010 18:23, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Billman,

http://haloscan.com/ appears to be very much alive.

Now I am not exactly sure what sort of evidence you are referring to but if it is something worth paying attention to do feel free to bring it up.

 
At 01 February, 2010 18:47, Blogger Triterope said...

I don't believe I ever threatened you in any way, form or share, Sir or Madam!

So you're gonna deny the whole thing. Allright. You'll reveal your true colors soon enough.

 
At 01 February, 2010 18:55, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Triterope,

I am denying nothing - nor am I going to confirm things that are not true, obviously. Please indicate what you are referring to.

 
At 01 February, 2010 19:09, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I am denying nothing - nor am I going to confirm things that are not true, obviously. Please indicate what you are referring to."

Maybe Hannibal Lecter got to him.

 
At 01 February, 2010 19:28, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Boris, you admitted on these pages that you harassed an attorney in Rochester with the name Patrick.

Moronically, I might add.

 
At 01 February, 2010 19:52, Blogger Lionel said...

This is a comment someone posted on another blog that I think explains why more and more will become "twoofers" and its sort of in Sibel's answer, that the constant effort to cover up and suppress is suspicious:

"We should have seen a number of major books published by now, with voluminous footnotes, on the operational details of the 9/11 plot, detailing the connections between Osama bin Laden, the masterminds and the hijackers -- but the subject continues to remain a black hole. Any reasonable person can smell a cover-up."

 
At 01 February, 2010 19:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The books are there in large numbers. Truthers dismiss them all as propaganda. I highly recommend "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright.
Maybe you've never been inside a bookstore?

 
At 01 February, 2010 20:04, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"....Any < s >reasonable< /s > insane person can smell a cover-up."

TFTFY

 
At 01 February, 2010 20:04, Blogger Lionel said...

I've heard of the Looming Tower. This wikipedia entry summing it up says its not about the operational details:

"Because The Looming Tower is to a large extent focused on telling the story of the people involved it does not actually describe the 9/11 plot and its execution in much detail. It focuses more on the background and the conditions that produced the people who allegedly planned and staged the attack, and information about those who were combating terror against the USA."

So, it still stands: a black hole.

 
At 01 February, 2010 20:21, Anonymous redherring said...

Oh man there's no books detailing the 9-11 attacks! That is so suspicious it just made me finally realize that the government did the whole thing!

Are you fucking kidding me? The only "black hole" is between your ears. There are over 100,000 results for the phrase "September 11" on Amazon.com. I recommend that you start with #9 on the list, "September 11, 2001: A Simple Account for Children" by Nancy Poffenberger.
There's also something called "The 9-11 commission report" but I'm sure you don't believe its findings.
There are plenty of operational details in books out there, just very few that YOU accept.

 
At 01 February, 2010 20:47, Anonymous New Yorker said...

Man, I'm glad that this Boris guy is back, as it seems his greatest hits were compiled before I discovered this blog. Between him and Brian Good, there should be some quality entertainment here even though the "truth" movement is dead.

Also, who is more handsome, Boris or Brian Good?

http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood?xg_source=profiles_memberList

 
At 01 February, 2010 21:24, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Lionel,

Nope - sorry. The truth movement is dead.

And you really should read The Looming Tower. It explains the motivations behind those 19 Arab Muslim hijackers who did 911.

 
At 02 February, 2010 00:12, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Boris, you admitted on these pages that you harassed an attorney in Rochester with the name Patrick.

To Patrick from Cincinnati:

I have never contacted any attorney from Rochester, NY. It is therefore quite doubtful that I have ever harassed one. It is even doubly doubtful that I would have even admitted to something I have never done.

Failing a presentation of evidence on your part I will have no choice but to view this statement of yours as a result of your being disinformed, or perhaps delusional, or perhaps this is just bold-faced slander on your part. I really would not know which it is but clearly this has nothing to do with factual reality.

 
At 02 February, 2010 04:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"All problems, depressions, wars, disasters, assassinations, all of them were planned, caused, instigated, and implemented by the International Bankers and their attempt to establish a central bank in every country in the world, which they have now done, thanks to corrupt politicians who have been bought and paid for. This is all you need to know about the history of the world."- John Fitzgerald Kennedy

 
At 02 February, 2010 04:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

” Ye do the deeds of your father (the devil). If God were your father. ye would love me; for I proceed forth and came from God: neither came I of myself, but He sent me.”
” Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie – he speaketh of his own; ( the Jews) for he is a liar, and the father of it”

John 3, 8-10

 
At 02 February, 2010 05:11, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'This evidence includes a report from one of the most reputable French papers, Le Figaro, which claims that a CIA agent met with bin Laden two months before 9/11'

Not this bollocks again. This has been done to death:

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_met_the_cia.html

'Apparently Osama is now blaming us for Global Warming...'

Maybe he should tell his operatives not to take commercial flights.

 
At 02 February, 2010 06:55, Blogger Triterope said...

GIVE BORIS EPSTEIN PERSONAL INFORMATION AT YOUR PERIL!!!

That warning could be extended to the entire 9-11 Truth movement. In addition to the creepy Boris Epstein, Brian Good says he's called "a couple thousand" university professors. Killtown endlessly targeted Val McClatchy. We've seen clips of various "truth actions" that are little more than harassment. Mark Roberts says he's gotten death threats.

You shouldn't give your real information to anyone online. But especially not to 9-11 Truthers.

 
At 02 February, 2010 07:18, Anonymous StopLibelingJFK said...

Ah, more fake JFK quotes! Maybe you can give us some fake Lincoln quotes about evil bankers too? And some fake Wilson quotes about regretting signing the Federal Reserve Act? Then you can tell us about how JFK was planning on pulling out of Vietnam (the opposite is true) and how he planned to shut down the Federal Reserve (not true) and maybe even come up with some new bullshit I haven't heard yet in any of the anarchist literature?

 
At 02 February, 2010 07:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That warning could be extended to the entire 9-11 Truth movement.
And don't get on Alex Jones' bad side or he will send his army of 20 year old zombies dressed in all black after you. All together, like one collective, they will bleat "wake up sheeple," and you will realize the importance of anonymity (and the 2nd amendment).

 
At 02 February, 2010 07:51, Anonymous Damocles said...

"I strongly recommend The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11. I was turned off by the name, as it seems like more of a popular book than a history. Really, to capture the seriousness of the work, it should have a boring title, such as Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, and the Islamic Group: Violent
Political Islam in the Wake of Sayyid Qutb (1966-2001)."

To quote a post on another blog. I found his comment quite amusing. I will be picking up a copy of this book ASAP.
Quote attributed to the author of http://www.tdaxp.com/

 
At 02 February, 2010 07:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tripelope - you sound more and more desperate, as days go by.

Man, these 'vanishing' twooooofers are really rubber duckies, aren't they? You think you got rid of them all, you celebrated their demise for years, and now all of a sudden you find you and your moron dumbunker friends are the ones who are 'vanishing'...

Your desperation is palatable.

Hey Pat! Care to share with us why you're using this blogger comment system now? Could it be that your account was banned for abuse on the other side?

Could it be that YOU and YOUR dumbfound friends have used the anonymity of the old system to harass innocent people?

Shame on you. Transparent little comic book collectin' chickenhawk - you're sick...

 
At 02 February, 2010 08:50, Blogger Triterope said...

Anonymous said...

Could it be that YOU and YOUR dumbfound friends have used the anonymity of the old system to harass innocent people?


** facepalm **

 
At 02 February, 2010 09:15, Blogger Pat said...

We changed from Haloscan to Blogger comments because Haloscan started charging and I didn't think the value added justified paying for it.

 
At 02 February, 2010 09:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could it be that YOU and YOUR dumbfound friends have used the anonymity of the old system to harass innocent people?
Does anyone know what he's babbling about? Do you not realize that there is no difference between Haloscan and this new setup aside from Haloscan being slightly more convenient for longer posts? Anonymous posts are still possible in case you didn't notice.

I'm pretty scared! The truth movement is gaining such momentum! Just this afternoon a federal judge handed down an arrest warrant for George W. Bush for the attacks of 9-11 and President Obama issued a pardon for Khalid Sheik Mohamed along with a lengthy apology for accusing him of crimes that were so obviously committed by the Bush Administration.
hahaha... only in your wet dreams pal.

 
At 02 February, 2010 11:16, Anonymous New Yorker said...

Man, these 'vanishing' twooooofers are really rubber duckies, aren't they? You think you got rid of them all, you celebrated their demise for years, and now all of a sudden you find you and your moron dumbunker friends are the ones who are 'vanishing'...

Yawn....let me know what happens first: the "truthers" accomplishing any of their goals, or the second coming of Christ.

 
At 02 February, 2010 11:36, Anonymous Roman Craig said...

Trooftards! They will believe the moronic self-serving babbling this bitch spews. But ignores stuff like this:

http://mythomsongitmo.com/the-confession-of-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-widescreen/

I would love to live in a world with no reality!

 

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