Tuesday, March 09, 2010

So Much for the Favorable Press

The Truthers were all congratulating themselves over the supposedly favorable press they had been receiving lately; see this post for an example. But then a lone nutbar goes and shoots at some Pentagon cops and suddenly it's not some silly game played by paranoids, it's life and death. And the media turns sharply against you.

Check out this terrific op-ed in the Washington Post, which apparently suddenly discovered that a Japanese parliament member was a fruitcake:

Mr. Fujita's ideas about the attack on the World Trade Center, which he shared with us in a recent interview, are too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion. He questions whether it was really the work of terrorists; suggests that shadowy forces with advance knowledge of the plot played the stock market to profit from it; peddles the fantastic idea that eight of the 19 hijackers are alive and well; and hints that controlled demolition rather than fire or debris may be a more likely explanation for at least the collapse of the building at 7 World Trade Center, which was adjacent to the twin towers.


Half-baked ideas? They aren't even defrosted! And why did the WaPo suddenly discover the crazies? I have no doubt that it was because of the Pentagon shooter. Of course the Troofers have gone ballistic over the editorial:

It's disturbing -- if not surprising -- that the WaPo would treat a foreign dignitary with such disrespect. Jeezus, Americans, like Israelis, should be careful not to alienate every single ally. Meanwhile, Canadians should be careful not to see their reputation slide further and further into the abyss due to unwavering support for Israel. Even the biggest kid on the block should try to foment a friendship or two.

Isn't WaPo owned by some cultish nut case with links to the neocons?


No, that's the Washington Times. Remember, the paper that actually posted a positive review of Richard Gage's press release?

Ditto for a solid segment on Nightline:


Again, I have no quarrels with the people who produced this segment; I just question the timing. The "Truthers" have always been crazy; the recent shooting just reveals it a little more starkly.

Note the dodge by Colleen Rowley; I suspect she's trying to ride the gravy train while not upsetting the applecart, to mix a few metaphors.

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69 Comments:

At 09 March, 2010 13:06, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Pat,

The majority of the truthers are sane and thoughtful people. If anything, it is you who is the insane one - blogging anonymously, never even bothering to actually address the issues you would have to address if you were serious about your stated objectives and at the same time expecting to make any tangible difference.

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:16, Blogger NoIdentity said...

Why are you so pressed over Pat's anonymity? They've addressed all of the issues albeit coming to conclusions with which you disagree.

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:27, Blogger James B. said...

Neither of us are "anonymous" although given the violent instability of many of the truthers perhaps we should be.

Please name a subject connected to 9/11 conspiracy theories we have not addressed. I guarantee with something like 4,000 posts, there is very little we have not covered, even if you don't like our conclusions.

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:27, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The majority of the truthers are sane and thoughtful people"

The words 'Sane and thoughtful' and the word 'troofers' dont belong in the same sentence, or the same paragraph, or the same zip code.

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:38, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

The folks here and at JREF who remain anonymous typically do so because there are psycho-stalkers like you in the world.

Some truthers (Killtown, etc.) remain anonymous because they don't file tax returns.

Boris, could you not afford a bus ticket to the treason conference?

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:56, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

James B. said...

Neither of us are "anonymous" although given the violent instability of many of the truthers perhaps we should be.

Please name a subject connected to 9/11 conspiracy theories we have not addressed. I guarantee with something like 4,000 posts, there is very little we have not covered, even if you don't like our conclusions.


Mr B, names like "James" and "Pat" are about as generic as they get. "Pat" is male I believe but based on the name alone even that can not be ascertained. hence providing this little information is the same thing as being anonymous for all intents and purposes.

As for the topics you failed to address... I'd say you never addressed any topic of import.

Here's a simple one, for instance:

9-11 Research: The Progressive Collapse Challenge

This is a basic feasibility test sort of excercize. Until the supporters of the official theory can demonstrate its feasibility I don't even have to consider it seriously.

 
At 09 March, 2010 13:57, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

NoIdentity said...

Why are you so pressed over Pat's anonymity? They've addressed all of the issues albeit coming to conclusions with which you disagree.

I am utterly unconcerned about Pat's or anybody else's anonymity. But I do note it as a fact of life.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:01, Blogger Pat said...

Boris, you retarded marmoset, I suggest that you read the Phoenix New Times article linked in the sidebar.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:05, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Patrick from Cincinnati said...

The folks here and at JREF who remain anonymous typically do so because there are psycho-stalkers like you in the world.

Some truthers (Killtown, etc.) remain anonymous because they don't file tax returns.

Boris, could you not afford a bus ticket to the treason conference?


Patrick,

You can lie and slander people all day want if you got nothing better to do - which quite likely is indeed the case. However, that won't make your lies true.

I am also not sure how being anonymous on the internet can help somebody avoid legal problems associated with tax code violations. Of course, I even wonder how you know that Killtown, an anonymous character, has failed to file tax returns. I could not exclude the possibility that you are slandering him too. After all, it is an activity towards which you have demonstrated proclivity.

To answer your question: I have sufficient funds to travel to Pennsylvania or just about anywhere else in the world many times over. It is the time that is in short supply for people who - most likely in sharp contrast with you - actually lead productive and busy lives. Perhaps you will understand that at some point.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:12, Anonymous Bikerman said...

The majority of the truthers are sane and thoughtful people.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! -doubled over in laughter-

Oh, jeez.

My stomach hurts from that.

Thanks Boris.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:13, Blogger nes718 said...

Good call Boris! These guys are nuttier than the Pentagon shooter (who was retarded BTW) and no matter how hard they try, they cannot stop Loose Change from gaining wider acceptance. Heck! Even NetFlix carries Loose Change! LOL!

Right! Over 4,000 posts and yet, no substance. Simply ad-hominem attacks and the notion that all 'troofers' are insane, LOL!

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:17, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Pat said...

Boris, you retarded marmoset, I suggest that you read the Phoenix New Times article linked in the sidebar.

Oh, I see, the best you can do, Pat, is anonymously hurl infantile insults. Guess what, boy - that don't impress me none.

You know, when I meet somebody abd I want to introduce myself I simply say, "Hi, I am Boris." I don't say, "Well, if you go to this house and ask for this guy he'll tell you all you need to know about me." Or, if I don't want to introduce myself I simply don't and stay anonymous. It's OK to be anonymous - everyone has a right to privacy, I respect that. But I do find it funny that you simply don't seem to be content being anonymous if that is your choice.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:20, Blogger Pat said...

You can lead a horse's ass to water, but you can't make him drink.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:21, Anonymous Chet Ripley said...

2006!!! Too fucking funny!


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"Screw Loose Change" what a sorry ass blog :(
I can't believe this clown actually believes the Government "Al-CIA-duh" did it story and is trying ( and loosing) to go after Loose Change!

I'll be in there dropping the ones and two's.. ;)
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At 09 March, 2010 14:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat writes, "...You can lead a horse's ass to water, but you can't make him drink."

LOL!

To that I would only add the following: You can lead a nut-bar to the truth, but you can't make him think.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:29, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

Boris, you disappeared off the scene for a while and remarkably you now appear to be more stupid than ever. Get a grip, BoBo.

Yours anonymously

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

nes718 whines, "...These guys are nuttier than the Pentagon shooter (who was retarded BTW) and no matter how hard they try, they cannot stop Loose Change from gaining wider acceptance."

LOL!

So, originally it was alleged by the "9/11 truth movement" that thermite brought the World Trade Center Towers down; when that fantasy was debunked, the "9/11 truth movement" then claimed that thermate was responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers; when that cockamamie idea was debunked within days of its proposal, the "9/11 truth movement" slithered back into their mothers' basements and reemerged with their latest pseudo-theory: nanothermite.

Notice the ever-shifting rational, which is the defining characteristic of a liar.

So which is it, liar: thermite, thermate or "nanothermite"?

"...9/11 TOOTH! 9/11 TOOTH! 9/11 TOOTH!"

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:44, Blogger Billman said...

If anything, it is you who is the insane one - blogging anonymously

How is Pat blogging anonymously when his last name is plastered all over YouTube from his Radio debates, etc... and his personal information can be easily found?

How fucking long have you been coming here, and you still don't know these things? I've been coming on here since 2008 and even THEN I was hearing about YOU.

 
At 09 March, 2010 14:47, Blogger Billman said...

And of course NetFlix carries Loose Change. Somebody has to buy the 25,000 extra DVDs lying around. NOBODY ELSE WAS. And NetFlix loves to cater to the internet conspiracy crowd.

Actually, they're a lot like Dylan Avery. They'll post whatever shit they want, cause somebody will watch it. Only NetFlix actually makes money at it.

Why don't you write them and ask if the NetFlix staff truly endorses ANY of the veiwpoints expressed in that film?

I post shit on Facebook all the time about Loose Change, including clips. It doesn't mean I endorse the shit.

 
At 09 March, 2010 15:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

nes718 whines, "...These guys are nuttier than the Pentagon shooter (who was retarded BTW) and no matter how hard they try, they cannot stop Loose Change from gaining wider acceptance."

That's a laugh. Do you do comedy, too?

Hmmmm...

Let's see now, how many versions of "Loose Change" has Dylan Avery produced?

In April 2005 Dylan Avery produced the first version of "Loose Change".

The first version was almost immediately debunked.

Thus, in June 2006 "Loose Change: 2nd Edition Re-cut" was released.

This version was immediately debunked, so Dylan Avery stomped down into his mother's basement once again to produce the "final" version of "Loose Change".

The third and "final" edition was released in November 2007. Dylan Avery consulted theologian who pretends to be a scientist, David Ray Griffin, as a script consultant. Alex Jones (yes, that Alex Jones) and Tim Sparkle are the film's executive producers.

Moreover, Avery, Bermas, and Rowe (aka., The Three Stooges) have created two more versions of Loose Change in addition to the alleged "Final Cut".


Thus, we can see the pattern of ever shifting rational, which we encounter again-and-again with the alleged "9/11 truth movement".

As I wrote earlier today, an ever shifting rational is the defining characteristic of a liar.

Worse, Dylan Avery refuses to acknowledge the fact that his first two versions of "Loose Change" were thoroughly debunked. Moreover, he refuses to acknowledge that his 911 conspiranoid theory is simply untrue.

Instead, Dylan Avery immediately set about to recreate the film using an entirely different rational to substantiate his massively flawed conspiranoid theory.

In fact, Avery has changed the content of "Loose Change" so many times now, that the "Final Cut" bears absolutely no resemblance to the first version of the film.

 
At 09 March, 2010 15:03, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Boris Epstein said...
Pat,

The majority of the truthers are sane and thoughtful people."

No, bore-ass, like you they are all insane.

The only fillip you add is your OCD fascination with "anonimity".

 
At 09 March, 2010 15:04, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"You can lie and slander people all day want if you got nothing better to do"

bore-ass, that's all you do.

You're a truther.

That's what truther's do.

 
At 09 March, 2010 16:08, Blogger NoIdentity said...

These guys are nuttier than the Pentagon shooter (who was retarded BTW)
He was not retarded. He was highly intelligent but probably had bipolar disorder or some similar undressed mental illness. I'm going to just guess that this poster is being sarcastic, with the Ahmadinejad avatar and all.

Boris,
Why does it matter that Pat and James are anonymous? Would you respect them more if they posted their full names and addresses? I have a feeling you'd still revile them and everything they stand for. Just a hunch. The Issue of anonymity sounds like a red herring.

 
At 09 March, 2010 16:36, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Boris wrote: "I have sufficient funds to travel to Pennsylvania or just about anywhere else in the world many times over."

Oh, bullshit Boris. No truther has disposable cash - save the guys on top of the pyramid scheme like Alex Jones. You don't have a job, Boris.

You didn't even have enough money to get into the Northeast 911 Truth Conference.

Even though you promoted it.

By the way, everyone - Boris is a psychotic stalker who wants personal information. He seems to be at it again.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:11, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

NoIdentity said...



Boris,
Why does it matter that Pat and James are anonymous? Would you respect them more if they posted their full names and addresses? I have a feeling you'd still revile them and everything they stand for. Just a hunch. The Issue of anonymity sounds like a red herring.


Yes, I would respect them more if they posted reasonable identifying information - full names, photos. No, posting your address is absolutely unnecessary - there are bad guys online and one should be reasonably careful. But enough information to take somebody to court, to identify them - that shows conviction and some minimal responsibility for what you say online.

I do not revile them for not agreeing with me on 9/11; plenty of my friends don't agree with me on that. I dislike them for dishonesty, cowardice and evasiveness. That may be the best way to describe my attitude toward them.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:21, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Boris wrote: "I have sufficient funds to travel to Pennsylvania or just about anywhere else in the world many times over."

Oh, bullshit Boris. No truther has disposable cash - save the guys on top of the pyramid scheme like Alex Jones. You don't have a job, Boris.

You didn't even have enough money to get into the Northeast 911 Truth Conference.

Even though you promoted it.

By the way, everyone - Boris is a psychotic stalker who wants personal information. He seems to be at it again.


Patrick,

Not only do I have a job, you are no more than several clicks away from finding out what that job is (one of them, to be precise).

So, let us see if you can find out what it is... I am just curious if your lack of honesty and courage is accompanied by an equally formidable lack of intellect. I suspect that to be the case.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:22, Blogger NoIdentity said...

To take them to court? That sounds slightly extreme. What on earth would warrant legal action against some bloggers?

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:23, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"But enough information to take somebody to court"

Boris, you psycho-stalker, this isn't Russia. I think you're under the impression that you can whine to the court system when someone points out what a psycho-stalker you are. That's not the way it works in the States.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:26, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"To take them to court? That sounds slightly extreme. What on earth would warrant legal action against some bloggers?"

He's psychotic. Look at his pic - I'm sure it was cropped from a pic of him holding that red-covered book about the guy standing in the middle of the field catching the children.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:42, Blogger James B. said...

Wow Boris, with investigative skills like this I am stunned you haven't broken 9/11 wide open already.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:50, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

NoIdentity said...

To take them to court? That sounds slightly extreme. What on earth would warrant legal action against some bloggers?

Things like libel, threats, etc. might.

I am not saying Pat or James ought to be taken to court, nor am I planning any such action - I am just saying that properly identifying yourself so that if someone wants to take you to court they can - that's a sign of conviction and courage.

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:52, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Yes, I would respect them more if they posted reasonable identifying information - full names, photos."

Did I call that or what?

 
At 09 March, 2010 17:56, Blogger Pat said...

I think I owe an apology. To marmosets.

 
At 09 March, 2010 18:08, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Korey Rowe: "They are trying to claim we are an anti-government conspiracy theory"?

Are you really claiming your movement isn't "anti-government." Heck, if accusing "the gub'ment" of committing mass murder isn't "anti-government" then what is?

 
At 09 March, 2010 18:17, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Dylan: "Why wouldn't they?"


At least I give him credit for honesty, unlike Dick Gage, Dylan is an out-and-out anti-American fanatic, he doesn't try to dress up his ideology in pseudoscience.

 
At 09 March, 2010 19:34, Blogger James B. said...

Regarding Nightline, I am just amused how indignant they get when somebody asks them what their opinion is on something. They act like it is the worst possible insult to have to give your opinion. Hello, that is what journalists do, then they attack them for not being journalists.

 
At 09 March, 2010 19:53, Blogger nico said...

from
http://friendfeed.com/ewing2001
03/0/2010 mc nicomedy aka ewing2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhZbRIWW7z0 ; http://soundcloud.com/ewing2001 etc.. writes:

"...and the 9/11 truthling truthers are meanwhile all over the place on facebook, with the usual newage-, scientology- and happyhappyspooker buddybuddy connections. Creepy!. Come to your own conclusion, by checking some of their friend lists and also do some cross-checks, how much planehuggers, Spooks and noPlaners are already networked to each other. Also noPlaners like KT have no shame, to add weirdos like Cyndi Sheehan, jeff rense, Betsy Orr Metz, Bev Harris, Bill Douglas, Carol Brouillet, Coleen Rowley, David Michael Shayler, Gary Franchi, Kevin Barrett, Lenny Bloom, Luke Rudkowski, Michael Morrissey, Philip Berg, Rolf Lindgren, Sha Ren, Sibel Edmonds as their "friends" as well. And of course also (half-)veterans James Henry Fetzer, Mike Ruppert, Sander Hicks, Dylan Avery and others are floating around, with some try and error networks. I was hoping *some kind of individualism might take place, but it's just hopeless. The majority of them never even used friendfeed or had decentralize viralism manners ! And everyone who thinks that they can handle serious politics or 'activism' on facebook , must live in a dreamworld. Familly- and Job Diversions are now pre-programmed for later this year and maybe it will be fun, to see some of them sooner or less homeless as well, while continue typing at starbucks ; ) They should allow facebook in jail as well, maybe then it's getting really weird ; btw, screwloosechange also has already 120+ members at http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=screwloosechange&init=quick#!/group.php?gid=2210735645&ref=search&sid=509766781.4066748991..1 , while the major truther groups reach some 4 digits. [only alex jones has more] I'm sure the posse of truther9.blip.tv and '9/11 Inside Job" will merge next and it's just a matter of time, until socialservice shows up ; ps: actually while i'm pasting this, i found 0 fans at some parked entry of http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=screwloosechange&init=quick#!/group.php?gid=2210735645&ref=search&sid=509766781.4066748991..1 Maybe they all also should befriend america's next top model monique, who just was mainstream-trailered with her statement: "9/11 happened to bring world war III" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dftr9IRUQZAWith zero new concepts amohuggers or noBrainNoPlaners, eurosatellite spookers like EADS, Thales, or terraflop VR/AR-observers like Krauss Maffei, CSAIL and recently recognized Epoch Foundation will laugh their ass off, how much easier they can now group them up, meta-beacon, camperize-profile, meta-analyze and infiltrate in highspeed, with additional regular facebook dataminers as well or non-existing marketing twitter nephew bots. rofl to all these Orwellian dumb brain-matrixers and computer-illiterates, while i enjoy now [soundcloud=] music even *more, *especially at "deFaceBook" ..."

 
At 09 March, 2010 20:08, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any chance at all that Rowley and Shaffer are truly not happy with the 9/11 Commission's effort? Granted they aren't on the same page with the 9/11 truth movement but it sure seems like SLC is convinced they are acting in bad faith.

 
At 09 March, 2010 21:10, Blogger angrysoba said...

I'm going to just guess that this poster is being sarcastic, with the Ahmadinejad avatar and all.


Nothing says "classy" like an Ahmadinejad avatar.

 
At 09 March, 2010 22:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Some truthers (Killtown, etc.) remain anonymous because they don't file tax returns.<
lollers
every1 knows
katie lazo nao
fap

 
At 09 March, 2010 23:21, Blogger Adli Yusof said...

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At 09 March, 2010 23:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

RULE 34

FTW

 
At 10 March, 2010 00:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anybody know how many different versions of the WTC building 7 report that NIST put out? are on version 7 or 8 now? when do they change the official story again? anyone know?

 
At 10 March, 2010 01:08, Blogger Triterope said...

I'd say you never addressed any topic of import.

Here's a simple one, for instance:

9-11 Research: The Progressive Collapse Challenge


They addressed it when you brought it up on this thread less than a month ago, you fucking dolt. And we all said how stupid it was then. Including a response from James B. Here's a sampling:

I will get around to taking your tests as soon as you prove it is possible to secretely rig three large buildings with supermagiconanothermite charges which make no sound and leave no signs of themselves.

Wouldn’t you know the idiot
(Boris: this means you) would lecture us on "formal logic" and then get the concept of burden of proof wrong?

"Build a structure"? Seriously? You assholes can't be bothered to submit a proper scientific paper, but other people are hereby ordered to BUILD A FUCKING BUILDING, and destroy it, for the sole purpose of disproving 911whateveritisthisweek.com?

Well of course this first challenge is ridiculous in itself, to reproduce the forces in the original WTC you would need to build another 1300ft 110 story WTC. If you know your physics you would know any scale structure could not model the conditions of the full scale structure.


And so on and so forth.

 
At 10 March, 2010 01:11, Blogger Triterope said...

By the way, everyone - Boris is a psychotic stalker who wants personal information. He seems to be at it again.

Oh yeah. Bigtime.

 
At 10 March, 2010 01:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Triterope said...
By the way, everyone - Boris is a psychotic stalker who wants personal information. He seems to be at it again.

Oh yeah. Bigtime.
yea it's not like debunkers lurk around here demanding people pick names or anything, right?

 
At 10 March, 2010 02:36, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Triterope said...

They addressed it when you brought it up on this thread less than a month ago, you fucking dolt. And we all said how stupid it was then. Including a response from James B. Here's a sampling:

To respond to something and to properly address it are two different things. Given your general lack of real-world knowledge I am not surprised you don't realize it, though.

Did they respond to it, yes - they respond to most things, mostly with dismissals and insults. Did they address it properly - no, they did not.

You could spend some time studying things like logic and scientific method but looks like you find infantile insults and anonymous slandering to be more fun. Well, to each his own.

 
At 10 March, 2010 03:18, Blogger Paul said...

We all know there is a media campaign to discredit the Truth Movement because they are about to blow the case wide open /sarcasm

Sane and thoughtful? Kevin Barrett, Boris. Sane and thoughtful? Alex Jones. Sane and thoughtful? Jack Blood. Sane and thoughtful? Rima Laibow.

Boris, you cannot ignore the fact that most of the luminaries of the 9/11 truth movement are absolutely god damn crazy.

 
At 10 March, 2010 06:10, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"To respond to something and to properly address it are two different things."

Ok, you win, I'll play by your rules.

First, I'll respond to you:

You're a fucking retarded marmoset, bore-ass.

Now I'll address you:

Hello, you fucking retarded marmoset.

Happy now?

 
At 10 March, 2010 06:51, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Paul said...

We all know there is a media campaign to discredit the Truth Movement because they are about to blow the case wide open /sarcasm

Sane and thoughtful? Kevin Barrett, Boris. Sane and thoughtful? Alex Jones. Sane and thoughtful? Jack Blood. Sane and thoughtful? Rima Laibow.

Boris, you cannot ignore the fact that most of the luminaries of the 9/11 truth movement are absolutely god damn crazy.


Paul, in all groups more colorful personalities are often the ones that become luminaries. Hence you hear more of Alex Jones than you do of Mike Rivero or Gore Vidal or Christine Rose.

I agree with you that Kevin Barrett is an extremist. I he mentally unstable? Possibly - at least he is very emotional. Alex Jones is, in my opinion, a man who is quite calculating, a manipulator, an authoritarian type. He is a good journalist though. As for Jack Blood. and Rima Laibow - I never even heard of them or they failed to impress me enough for me to remember.

Now I met many a true organizer of the movement, not the most fiery types you are more likely to notice. They all seemed to be quite sober and reasonable.

 
At 10 March, 2010 06:56, Blogger nes718 said...

``Let's see now, how many versions of "Loose Change" has Dylan Avery produced?''

Enough to keep getting paid and spreading the message? Damn, that was easy.

 
At 10 March, 2010 06:58, Blogger nes718 said...

``We all know there is a media campaign to discredit the Truth Movement because they are about to blow the case wide open''

No idiots. The government is about to severely censor or shut down the internet. That's why they are creating these bogeymen.

But hey, you'll love it when the dissenters are finally gone, no? You guys will be able to get some real day jobs then! Ha!

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:05, Blogger Paul said...

No idiots. The government is about to severely censor or shut down the internet. That's why they are creating these bogeymen.

But hey, you'll love it when the dissenters are finally gone, no? You guys will be able to get some real day jobs then! Ha!


Citation please.

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:12, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

Alex Jones is, in my opinion, a man who is quite calculating, a manipulator, an authoritarian type. He is a good journalist though.

Dear God, Boris. In what way is that fat tub of lard a good journalist?

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:14, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Enough to keep getting paid and spreading the message?"

"Spreading a message"?

IS that what the kids call it nowadays?

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:16, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"No idiots. The government is about to severely censor or shut down the internet."

Ohh, dewl, a NEW insane conspiracy theory.

Can you explain how this is going to happen? And who's the "they" this time?



[goes to the kitchen for beer and popcorn]

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:31, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Boris,

God, you're a douche. Nobody says or writes "many a"

how is Alex Jones a good journalist?

 
At 10 March, 2010 07:42, Blogger angrysoba said...

Here's a Japanese newspaper on Fujita.

And here's a translation of Fujita's response on 9/11 Blogger.

He seems to be doing an Anthony Shaffer here. Trying to disavow any conspiracy theories and leaving the Truthers all confused and rejected.

LOL!

 
At 10 March, 2010 08:47, Anonymous Fucktard Patrol said...

Triterope said...
By the way, everyone - Boris is a psychotic stalker who wants personal information. He seems to be at it again.

"Oh yeah. Bigtime.
yea it's not like debunkers lurk around here demanding people pick names or anything, right?"

Only an Acephalic suffering troofer would even try to equate those two concepts. You truly are a fucking moronic Fucktard!

 
At 10 March, 2010 15:31, Blogger Triterope said...

Did they respond to it, yes - they respond to most things, mostly with dismissals and insults. Did they address it properly - no, they did not.

Boris, do you really need a 20-page dissertation on why it is not feasible to build a multi-million-dollar structure and then knock it down for the sole purpose of winning an argument with a website?

Actually, you probably do. But you're not getting one.

 
At 11 March, 2010 15:02, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poor,poor pitiful JoggingJamesB!! What Bury was doing is exactly what journalists are not supposed to do.He clearly had an agenda.JJB'd prefer that the gentlemanly Loose Change guys just rolled over as Chris Bury made a mockery of the interview process.The fact that l'il ol' Dylan and Korey (very clearly not the best spokesmen or debaters we have) cleaned his clock (JJB,please see the two 10 minute interview clips at 911blogger.com so you can seem halfway sentient) flies right over the idiotic boob JJB's head and he pipsqueaks the ludicrous claim that the boys were rude and weak.They stood up for themselves and the bonafides of the movement with distinction and your hapless attempt to spin the whole thing as anything other than a blatant, propagandistic hit piece is a joke.Quote mining indeed!!! What a bunch of lying idiots the Debunker Cult are!

 
At 11 March, 2010 16:14, Anonymous New Yorker said...

The majority of the truthers are sane and thoughtful people.

False. The ones who aren't insane are either appallingly ignorant or hucksters.

Also, Pat does not blog anonymously. You should learn what words mean before you use them foolishly.

 
At 12 March, 2010 06:46, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Poor,poor pitiful JoggingJamesB!! What Bury was doing is exactly what journalists are not supposed to do.He clearly had an agenda.JJB'd prefer that the gentlemanly Loose Change guys just rolled over as Chris Bury made a mockery of the interview process.The fact that l'il ol' Dylan and Korey (very clearly not the best spokesmen or debaters we have) cleaned his clock (JJB,please see the two 10 minute interview clips at 911blogger.com so you can seem halfway sentient) flies right over the idiotic boob JJB's head and he pipsqueaks the ludicrous claim that the boys were rude and weak.They stood up for themselves and the bonafides of the movement with distinction and your hapless attempt to spin the whole thing as anything other than a blatant, propagandistic hit piece is a joke.Quote mining indeed!!! What a bunch of lying idiots the Debunker Cult are!'

Even by Walt's standards this reads like an incoherent pile of shite. Did you actually learn English during those three years you supposedly spent in the UK, Arseholie?

Incidentally, what happened to all that evidence the Iranians had linking Rigi to the CIA?

 
At 12 March, 2010 10:44, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poor Sackie still grasping apoplectically and precariously to the plank of wood that says the CIA is a benign bunch of free enterprise activists!!! There's no stopping the moldy and cement headed alky from Grimey,is there? And he's a teacher?!? Good God!

 
At 13 March, 2010 09:56, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Poor Sackie still grasping apoplectically and precariously to the plank of wood that says the CIA is a benign bunch of free enterprise activists!!!'

You're not very good at reading comprehension, are you, Walt? Is that why you used a reference dealing with the alleged 'October Surprise' during the 1980 Presidential Elections to support your claim about CIA black-ops in Iran?

'There's no stopping the moldy and cement headed alky from Grimey,is there? And he's a teacher?!? Good God!'

Indeed, Walt. I'm actually someone with a career and prospects. While you are just a stupid fuck-up who alternates between hysterical ranting and made-up stories about your past (as per your 'A Real Veteran' howler).

Where is all that evidence the Iranians had on Rigi?

 
At 13 March, 2010 10:57, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Like a termite heading through the wall Soldier Sad Sack won't let anything stop him! Onward Christian Soldier!! "A career and prospects".Isn't that special,hey DogBoy!?! Take those CIA manuals out of your bunghole and relax with a cocktail won't you?!

 
At 13 March, 2010 12:01, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

I'm sorry, Walt. Is that supposed to be a response to:

(1) Me pointing out your use of the 'October surprise' red-herring to demonstrate CIA black ops in Iran?

(2) My question about why the Iranians haven't gone public on that 'evidence' they have linking Abdolmalek Rigi to Langley?

(3) My reference to your attempt to pose as an OIF veteran online?

Or

(4) Yet another example of mental incontenience from you.

Please clarify. You see, I don't speak retard, and yet again I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about.

 
At 16 March, 2010 17:12, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

The October Surprise (revealed by Reagn-Bush campaign staffer Honegger) was not a black-op you space cadet,it was treason.You are clearly insane and I have never posed as a war veteran.What a pretentious and naive twit you turn out to be.You're all bluff and no common sense.You'd do well to bone up on the Nuremberg trials after WWII.

 
At 17 March, 2010 04:15, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'The October Surprise (revealed by Reagn-Bush campaign staffer Honegger) was not a black-op you space cadet,'

You're the one who brought this claim up as 'evidence' that the CIA was sponsoring terrorism in Iran, Walt, not me.

'it was treason.'

It also (1) remains unproven, seeing as Honegger's only confirmation came from the serial liar Ari Ben-Menashe, and (2) misses the point that the Iranians were delaying the release of the embassy hostages in any case. If you read Mark Bowden's book 'Guests of the Ayatollah', you'd recognise this. But I guess it's just a bit too long for you to manage, and it had too many complicated words.

'You are clearly insane ...'

Says the man who believes that the WTC towers were destroyed by explosive paint.

'and I have never posed as a war veteran.'

Liar. That was one of your many sock-puppets. 'A Real Veteran's rants were identical to yours, and resorted to the same pathetic insults. Moreover, only you would be stupid enough to claim to have done a three-year tour.

'What a pretentious and naive twit you turn out to be.You're all bluff and no common sense.You'd do well to bone up on the Nuremberg trials after WWII'

I don't recall the defendants of these trials being charged with being stupid lying fantasist wankers. If that was a criminal offense, all of you truthers would be in the dock.

 

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