Friday, March 05, 2010

Pentagon Shooter a Truther; Fits Nutbar Profile

Yep, what a shock:

The user named JPatrickBedell wrote the Sabow case was "a step toward establishing the truth of events such as the September 11 demolitions."


Pot-smoker? Check:

That same posting railed against the government's enforcement of marijuana laws and included links to the author's 2006 court case in Orange County, Calif., for cultivating marijuana and resisting a police officer.


Ron Paul and Mike Gravel fan? Check and check:

Information is being released on John Patrick Bedell, the man who shot two police officers at the Pentagon before being killed. His internet postings reveal that he was a libertarian, conspiracy theorist and part of the Ludwig von Mises Facebook group. The Ludwig von Mises Institute is a think tank that has a working relationship with Ron Paul and is headed by Paul’s former chief of staff, Lou (sic) Rockwell.


In another portion of his site profile, Bedell promoted former Senator and eccentric presidential candidate Mike Gravel whom he said supported selling weed in liquor stores.


Of course, that should be "Lew" Rockwell, not "Lou".

Update: Believes in other conspiracy theories? Check:

This seizure of the United States government by an international criminal conspiracy is a long-established reality. The murder of the United States President in 1963, the associated murders and institutional subversion, and the manipulation of official inquiries and public opinion was effected by individuals within organizational structures that play a central role in the United States government up to the present day. The coup regime founded with the murder of President John Kennedy utilizes a number of mechanisms to perpetuate its criminal rule.


Update II: I like this comment:

So, instead of playing the blame game so unapologetically employed by the Left when they feel they can spin things to their political advantage, I’m not going to say that Bedell’s actions at the Pentagon epitomize the leftist worldview. Rather, he was just crazy, as clearly indicated by his belief in the craziest of modern crazy conspiracy theories, 9/11 Truthism.

(Bolding added for emphasis)

9-11 Truth dot org hastily put out a statement that doesn't mention Bedell specifically but disavows violence:

As a reminder that 911Truth.org NEVER endorses or promotes violence of any kind, and that those who commit violence are not "us", here's our longstanding Mission Statement. Notice our last statement: "We solicit collaboration with others who are committed to achieving these goals by way of peaceful transformation."


Fantasizes about new forms of currency? Check:

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46 Comments:

At 05 March, 2010 11:04, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Pat,

Your points are difficult to follow. What are you trying to say?

Are you saying that out of millions of people who don't believe the nonsense that is the official story of 9/11 there was one, Bedell, who went violent? Well, statistically this could be predicted. It is just a feature of any large group of humans.

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:28, Blogger b. j. edwards said...

What’s the Harm? Answer: Pentagon Gunman was a 9/11 Truther.

Mar. 5 2010 — 12:38 pm
Michael Shermer

"What’s the harm in believing nonsense? I get asked this all the time: “Oh come on Shermer, let people have their delusions, what’s the harm?”

I have a laundry list of retorts to this challenge, from the value of living in a rational world that is based in reality to tales of people who have died from discredited medical practices, such as “Attachment Therapy”—in April, 2000, 10-year old Candace Newmaker was smothered to death in blankets by therapists who were helping “rebirth” her so that she could properly attach to her adopted parents. Death by theory. (I wrote about this in Scientific American.)"

continued at: http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2010/03/05/what%E2%80%99s-the-harm-answer-pentagon-gunman-was-a-911-truther//michaelshermer/

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

What a tragedy.

His parents must be devastated.

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:36, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Who? Boris' parents?

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Who? Boris' parents?"

LOL!

Seriously, after reading the articles Pat linked into his post, I came away with the impression that Bedell was, for the most part, a normal guy. Of course, I could be wrong, but it appears that he snapped. Conspiranoia can do that to a person.

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:51, Blogger Pat said...

Other Truthers who've committed or attempted murder included Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn, and We Are Change Member Sean Fitzgerald who stabbed his father to death.

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:52, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Boris Epstein said...
Pat,

Your points are difficult to follow. What are you trying to say?"?

He's saying that you're a retarded marmoset, bore-ass.

You'd think you'd know that by now.

 
At 05 March, 2010 11:56, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Pat said...

Other Truthers who've committed or attempted murder included Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn, and We Are Change Member Sean Fitzgerald who stabbed his father to death.

So we have three. Maybe. OK, let's suppoe there's some we've missed. Make it 30. It is still nothing in comparison to millions of people not buying the official 9/11 story.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...So we have three. Maybe. OK, let's suppoe there's some we've missed. Make it 30. It is still nothing in comparison to millions of people not buying the official 9/11 story."

That's a meaningless statistic, Mr Epstein. After all, the majority of American believe that the Theory of Evolution is a hoax.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:02, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"So we have three. Maybe. OK, let's suppoe there's some we've missed. Make it 30. It is still nothing in comparison to millions of people not buying the official 9/11 story."

You believe in the Easter Bunny, don't you, bore-ass?

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:13, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

GuitarBill said...

That's a meaningless statistic, Mr Epstein. After all, the majority of American believe that the Theory of Evolution is a hoax.

What statistic do you consider meaningless?

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...What statistic do you consider meaningless?"

Sorry, I was referring to this sentence:

"...It is still nothing in comparison to millions of people not buying the official 9/11 story."

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:23, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

GuitarBill said...

"...What statistic do you consider meaningless?"

Sorry, I was referring to this sentence:

"...It is still nothing in comparison to millions of people not buying the official 9/11 story."


OK, in the poll the authors of this blog like to refer to when asked if 9/11 was an "inside job" 4.6% (let's say 4%, I don't remember precisely) of the responders answered in the affirmative.

Let's not even discuss the narrowness of the question (for instance, thinking that we've been lied about 9/11 does not necessarily mean believing that 9/11 was an inside job). So, let's say, we've to 4% of people sympathetic ot the 9/11 truth movement.

Let's also say there is only 100 million adults in the US (a very loew estimate but we will go with that). 4% of that is 4 million. 30 people out of 4 million would be a statistically insignificant subgroup. That is pretty much what I am saying.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:27, Blogger Billman said...

Why does it seem like lately, anything involving violence in a new story, results in the perp being a 9/11 truther? Hell, we joke about that, but it's starting to become fact.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:31, Blogger NoIdentity said...

There we go again setting the bar as low as possible with "doesn't accept the official story about 9-11." This is not the same as "thinks the government did it." And the only way there are "millions" of them is if you count all the people in Jordan and Egypt who think Mossad did it.
Of people who "question the official story" I'd love to see a poll showing what exactly they question. I'm sure plenty of them think we're covering up Saudi involvement or some other aspect that has nothing to do with the belief that the government did it. Besides, as has already been pointed out, millions of people can be wrong.

Also, what is the relevance of this nut's marijuana use? I get that it can exacerbate psychoses, but is this part of a pattern with these types?
The gawker article is pretty interesting, apparently he wanted to use a marijuana based currency to undermine the Federal Reserve. Or something like that. At least he was somewhat original with his craziness.
I feel less guilty laughing over this incident since no innocents were killed.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:32, Anonymous Bikerman said...

Boris, you and your friends who believe in 911 truth are WACK JOBS.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:34, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Let's also say there is only 100 million adults in the US (a very loew estimate but we will go with that). 4% of that is 4 million. 30 people out of 4 million would be a statistically insignificant subgroup. That is pretty much what I am saying."

Well, bore-ass, a statistically tiny teeny minute wee 19 people out of 1.2 Billion Muslims managed to kill about 3,000 Americans on 9/11.

So your writhing and evasions about twoooofers™ means shit.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:36, Blogger Pat said...

NoID, there appears to be a big correlation between pot-smoking and 9-11 Trutherism; James dubbed it the Willie Nelson syndrome. Not saying that all pot smokers are Truthers, but most Truthers are pot smokers.

 
At 05 March, 2010 12:46, Blogger NoIdentity said...

haha Willie Nelson syndrome. Pot use fuels paranoia. Most potheads will admit that. I didn't know that so many truthers indulged, though it's hardly surprising. Based on their comments on this blog I thought crystal meth was the truther drug of choice.

Another silly belief I noticed from reading the gawker comments is that many people associate 9-11 truthers with the Left. Now that we have Obama in office the Right-wing nuts seem to be crawling back out of the woodwork. There's bipartisan agreement among the 9-11 truthers! Anyone who can be fans of both Mike Gravel or Dennis Kusinic AND Ron Paul must be very open minded. Or politically ignorant.

 
At 05 March, 2010 13:02, Anonymous m. karlsson said...

Mikey Metz said that quitting pot helped him get a clear head about the whole matter. According to him most Truthers are huge potheads, which can have serious effects on their capacity for reason or logic. I agree - when I smoke too much I get paranoid, and these conspiracy theories seem very real, and very exciting.

 
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At 05 March, 2010 13:35, Blogger Pat said...

NoID, most older truthers are left of center; they're the remnants of the paranoid left that indulged themselves in endless conspiracy theorizing about the JFK assassination.

Most younger truthers are a blend of libertarian and survivalist fringe. There are a few "conservative" truthers--Devvy Kidd, for example. There would be a LOT more if 9-11 had taken place on Clinton's watch (or Gore's).

 
At 05 March, 2010 13:42, Anonymous Dixon Tudeep said...

"I get paranoid, and these conspiracy theories seem very real, and very exciting"

This followed by a rambling smörgåsbord of stupidity from Nico Numbnuts.

Coincidence or conspiracy...?

You tell me.

 
At 05 March, 2010 14:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Coincidence or conspiracy...?"

Conspiracy.

%^)

 
At 05 March, 2010 14:49, Blogger NoIdentity said...

I keep hearing this guy referred to as a Californian which made me wonder what the hell he was doing in DC. It turns out he drove there from California and got a speeding ticket in Amarillo, TX on the way. Seriously crazy. Also his parents told the police that he was off his meds and missing. This can mean only one thing. THEY LET IT HAPPEN OMG!

 
At 05 March, 2010 15:28, Blogger Triterope said...

NoID, there appears to be a big correlation between pot-smoking and 9-11 Trutherism

Maybe, but I think that correlation is transitive.

The real correlation, I think, is between 9-11 Trutherism and being a 15-21 year old male loser. 15-21 year old male losers also tend to smoke a lot of weed. So I think the Truther/pot correlation is more of a "if A=B and B=C then A=C" thing.

 
At 05 March, 2010 15:56, Anonymous paul w said...

"Bedell told the highway patrolman he was heading for the East Coast, and the officer used Bedell's phone to call his mother, Kaye Bedell, because he seemed disheveled and out of sorts."


Another example of the heinous behavior by a NWO thug, truthers?

It's obvious that the cop realized the man was in trouble, and tried to get help.

Yet, according to truthers, they automatically see him as part of the cover up, and if he happened to be in New York on 9-11, well, that would be proof positive to the nutbars.

As for marijuana, all truthers are fruitcakes, and pot is no friend to the mentally disturbed.

 
At 05 March, 2010 16:34, Anonymous Ktesibios said...

"The gawker article is pretty interesting, apparently he wanted to use a marijuana based currency to undermine the Federal Reserve. Or something like that."

AS Freewheelin' Franklin always said, "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope".

If dope is money, then what? The recursiveness of it is too much for me.

 
At 05 March, 2010 17:28, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"If dope is money, then what?"

Like, wow, dood, how much for the beads?

 
At 06 March, 2010 04:42, Blogger ConsDemo said...

The real correlation, I think, is between 9-11 Trutherism and being a 15-21 year old male loser.

Yes, and even some older than that, such as Bedell. He had a few more things in common with your stereotypical twoofer. He lived with his parents and he also attempted to get money from the same government that he claims is so oppressive (he tried to get a government contract). He seems to have been a Boris Epstein clone.

 
At 06 March, 2010 06:23, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"He seems to have been a Boris Epstein clone."

Yeah but I think Boris has an outlet here and perhaps some other places. He definitely looks like a shooter (look at his pic for fuck's sake - it's like Oswald holding that rifle) and acts like a self-involved true-believer warrior, but he doesn't seem isolated to the extent that he'd do a shooting.

But I'm a lawyer, and not a shrink, so what do I know.

 
At 06 March, 2010 07:03, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Patrick, yeah, I don't think Bore-ass is about to go postal anytime soon. Having said that, Bedell's actions are a logical conclusion of a true twoofer. If one truly believes the US government offed 3K of its own citizens in order to [insert twoofer justification du jour], running around harassing public officials and putting it on Youtube would seem to get old and pointless after awhile. The next logical step is some sort of violent activity.

 
At 06 March, 2010 08:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The King of all Truthers:

Iran's Ahmadinejad calls Sept. 11 attacks on U.S. a 'big fabrication' to justify the war on terrorism - IRNA news agency via Reuters

 
At 06 March, 2010 09:27, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

ConsDemo said...

Yes, and even some older than that, such as Bedell. He had a few more things in common with your stereotypical twoofer. He lived with his parents and he also attempted to get money from the same government that he claims is so oppressive (he tried to get a government contract). He seems to have been a Boris Epstein clone.

Thanks for a laugh.

Given that I have not lived with my parents for about 20 years and am not a government employee... not on psychiatric drugs, nor on any other drugs for that matter the similarity is just striking.

Thanks for a laugh - people like you are good at it sometimes. Just about the only thing you are good at, it seems.

I won't even delve into the question of why a citizen can not seek government contract work even if they believe some government officials may be criminal. I am not sure it is necessary to delve into the depths of illogic that comprise your mind.

 
At 06 March, 2010 09:52, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"He seems to have been a Boris Epstein clone."

Yeah but I think Boris has an outlet here and perhaps some other places. He definitely looks like a shooter (look at his pic for fuck's sake - it's like Oswald holding that rifle) and acts like a self-involved true-believer warrior, but he doesn't seem isolated to the extent that he'd do a shooting.

But I'm a lawyer, and not a shrink, so what do I know.


Patrick, I ought to thank you for another bit of mad hilarity. By outlet you mean "comic relief", is that it? Then perhaps you got a point.

A picture of a 40-year-old me without a rifle looks just like a picture of a 20-something Oswald with one. OK, whatever. Yes, we are both male, so some similarity can be found, with effort. By the way, during the two days that Oswald was still alive in the Dallas PD custody he claimed that famour picture (first published by the "Life" magazine, I believe) was a fake but that is beside the point.

I'll let you in on a little secret, too. I am not much of a warrior. I don't like violence, I prefer not to engage in it. Perhaps to a coward like you everyone who has any conviction or courage whatever looks like a frightening Praetorian but that is clearly your problem, not mine.

Now moving on to your claims of being a lawyer... you seem to have demonstrated sufficient ignorance of the law for me to really doubt that. Then again, incompetence seems a fairly wide-spread phenomena these days, so perhaps you are.

 
At 06 March, 2010 10:17, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Not a bad summary of who Bedell was

Looks to me like he was quite unstable mentally and that, not his politics, whatever they were, was truly a determining factor as to why he turned to violence.

 
At 06 March, 2010 10:39, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Given that I have not lived with my parents for about 20 years and am not a government employee... not on psychiatric drugs...."

Well, there's your problem right there.

Big pharma has some wonderful potions for people like you, bore-ass.

You should really go to the public clinic and talk the over with a physician's assistant.

 
At 06 March, 2010 12:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should he get the same pills that are prescribed for troy?

 
At 06 March, 2010 12:14, Blogger ScootleRoyale said...

Put a nutbar in your pie hole, Pat!

 
At 06 March, 2010 13:31, Anonymous Marc said...

Oswald claimed that picture of him was a fake? When did he do that? He was dead before that picture (and the OTHER THREE his wife took) became an issue.

What I want to know is why the Pentgon didn't take him out with their phalanx of defensive missiles. It must be an inside job.

[sarcasm]

 
At 06 March, 2010 15:06, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

ScootleRoyale said...

Like, wow, dood, how much for the beads?

 
At 06 March, 2010 17:07, Blogger Triterope said...

Put a nutbar in your pie hole, Pat!

Just a little free advice: If you're going to post a link, clicking it should take the reader to an article of some sort.

 
At 06 March, 2010 17:10, Blogger Triterope said...

incompetence seems a fairly wide-spread phenomena these days

Any one who can't determine if this is real or fake is in no position to judge the competence of others.

 
At 07 March, 2010 00:41, Anonymous Troofers R Us said...

ScootleRoyale said...
Put a nutbar in your pie hole, Pat!

Dude - I am so glad I saved you web page before you pulled it!

 
At 07 March, 2010 04:40, Blogger angrysoba said...

Boris Epstein: A picture of a 40-year-old me without a rifle looks just like a picture of a 20-something Oswald with one. OK, whatever. Yes, we are both male, so some similarity can be found, with effort. By the way, during the two days that Oswald was still alive in the Dallas PD custody he claimed that famour picture (first published by the "Life" magazine, I believe) was a fake but that is beside the point.

Well, so what if he claimed it was a fake. It wasn't.

 
At 07 March, 2010 04:43, Blogger angrysoba said...

Marc: Oswald claimed that picture of him was a fake? When did he do that? He was dead before that picture (and the OTHER THREE his wife took) became an issue.


Apparently not.

 

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