Saturday, March 06, 2010

Luke Blasts SPLC; Claims Pentagon Shooter Was A Setup



Many of the "Patriot" groups cited by the SPLC the other day are local We Are Change chapters, as you can see here.

36 Comments:

At 06 March, 2010 10:35, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

How does one "smear" an insane, America hating, paranoid conspiratard truther?

 
At 06 March, 2010 10:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary

 
At 06 March, 2010 10:51, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary"

Well....

I'm convinced.

INSIDE JOBBY JOB!!!!!!!

 
At 06 March, 2010 10:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...
"Anonymous said...
you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary"

Well....

I'm convinced.

INSIDE JOBBY JOB!!!!!!!

i don't think "jobby" a real word, oh shit i just debunked something!
finally real debunking comes to SLC, it's happened after all these years of bullshit and idiocy:)

 
At 06 March, 2010 11:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Btw, I a moron!

 
At 06 March, 2010 11:25, Blogger NoIdentity said...

Oh Russia Today. Nothing but the highest standards of journalistic integrity there. Given that it's an English language channel, I have a feeling that it isn't Russians they are targeting with their constant stream of agitprop.
And is there any violent incident anywhere in the world that isn't somehow an inside job to these people? I mean we're getting to the point where earthquakes are being blamed on us.

 
At 06 March, 2010 11:41, Anonymous New Yorker said...

Anonymous said...
Btw, I a moron!


me too guys!!!

 
At 06 March, 2010 11:47, Anonymous Fucktard Patrol said...

"you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary"

"i don't think"

There - summarized that for you Fucktard.

When did you start believing we give a shit what you "think"?

 
At 06 March, 2010 12:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fucktard Patrol said...
"you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary"

"i don't think"

There - summarized that for you Fucktard.

When did you start believing we give a shit what you "think"?
when you first rate intellectuals failed to disprove the promotion of richard myers.
first you hacks were sure it never happened, then when it was proven, you geniuses followed up by saying his performance on 9/11 had nothing to do with his promotion, it was just his turn...
because that's the america we live in, george will said it best "when fail goes unpunished, failure proliferates."
of course since it has now been proven that intelligence agencies wanted the panty bomber on the plane christmas day, it's difficult to believe anything the government says, especially in events like one at the pentagon.

 
At 06 March, 2010 13:00, Blogger Billman said...

So... there's a conspiracy to smear... a conspiracy?

Paranoia is a way of life for you troofers, isn't it?

 
At 06 March, 2010 13:01, Blogger Billman said...

you guys are dipshits.... and no i don't think picking a name is really necessary

Heh, are troofers constantly saying these things really neccessary? Do they help you vent in some way?

 
At 06 March, 2010 13:40, Anonymous Marc said...

We've failed to debunk the promotion of Richard Meyers? **runs down to the debunker-cult command center, asks about Meyers, runs back*** Yeah, that's because there is nothing to debunk, dillweed.

It has been "Proven" that intelligence agencies wanted the underoos bomber on teh plane...Really? When was that exactly? And the voices that come from your closet don't count.

 
At 06 March, 2010 14:53, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

NoIdentity said...

Oh Russia Today. Nothing but the highest standards of journalistic integrity there. Given that it's an English language channel, I have a feeling that it isn't Russians they are targeting with their constant stream of agitprop.
And is there any violent incident anywhere in the world that isn't somehow an inside job to these people? I mean we're getting to the point where earthquakes are being blamed on us.


I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian; they've got their issues but I'd say when it comes to journalistic integrity they could give most of the US corporate media a run for their money.

 
At 06 March, 2010 15:02, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"when you first rate intellectuals failed to disprove the promotion of richard myers."

Nobody cares, Krazee.

 
At 06 March, 2010 15:04, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian; they've got their issues but I'd say when it comes to journalistic integrity they could give most of the US corporate media a run for their money."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

bore-ass, you wouldn't know journalistic integrity if it grew teeth, snuck up on you and bit you in yor shriveled little scrotum.

 
At 06 March, 2010 15:57, Blogger NoIdentity said...

I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian;

Do they have the same stories in both languages? I got the impression it was English only and aimed at the UK and US media markets.

I prefer BBC and Al Jazeera anyways.

 
At 06 March, 2010 17:00, Blogger Triterope said...

we're getting to the point where earthquakes are being blamed on us.

It's not all that new. AARP conspiracy theories have been around for awhile.

 
At 06 March, 2010 17:03, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian"

Once again Boris the Pathological Liar jumps in where completely unnecessary.

Boris, we don't care.

But thank you for confirming your pathological desire to lie.

You lie even when it couldn't possibly be of benefit for you to lie.

There is no Russian language version, you dumbass.

Also, it's not text media - it's a fucking TV channel.

So you didn't read anything.

In English.

Or Russian.

 
At 06 March, 2010 17:46, Anonymous vicen said...

this nut in the video claims the Patriot Act was set up to combat "critical thinkers", among which rarified elite one can only presume he includes himself - the delusions know no bounds, it seems.

Re this Pentagon shooter, if hundreds of thousands of people believe in extreme & fantastic conspiracy theories, surely it was only a matter of time before one of them snapped, and progressed from a latent/pseudo-Hinckley state to full on Hinckley.

Conspiracists should take heed. Your own faux paranoia about the new world order, the Illuminati or whatever your bullshit of choice happens to be, may one day manifest itself a la this dope smoking would be assassin.

 
At 06 March, 2010 18:11, Blogger NoIdentity said...

It's not all that new. AARP conspiracy theories have been around for awhile.

I'm guessing you mean HAARP although the AARP is quite powerful in Washington :-p
But when was the last time a sitting head of state accused someone of having an earthquake machine?
Although to be fair I heard that some Georgian's accused Russia of causing an earthquake there with Russia's HAARP machine. I guess Chavez isn't the only paranoid nut in charge of an entire country.

 
At 06 March, 2010 18:59, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

Patrick from Cincinnati said...

"I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian"

Once again Boris the Pathological Liar jumps in where completely unnecessary.

Boris, we don't care.

But thank you for confirming your pathological desire to lie.

You lie even when it couldn't possibly be of benefit for you to lie.

There is no Russian language version, you dumbass.

Also, it's not text media - it's a fucking TV channel.

So you didn't read anything.

In English.

Or Russian.


So, Patrick, you claim that Russia Today has no text version. Well, I really wouldn't know what is going on in your world but in my world it actually started with a text version. I used to read it many moons ago - and still do on occasion. For instance, here is the Russia Today archived as of July 15, 1997. It was only later on (in 2005 I think) that they went to being centered around a cable TV channel. You can be forgiven for not knowing that; after all, given how you express yourself, you are probably a teenager now and likely were not old enough to read in any language in 1997.

Today if one attempts to go to http://www.russiatoday.com one gets rerouted to http://rt.com/. Here's an hour old screengrab of that site. In the upper left corner (see here for detail) the middle button is titled "Русский". In Russian that means "Russian". There are also buttons for Arabic and Spanish there.

If one were to press the button for Russian one would be taken here which is a fairly good news portal. You know, many news providers provide both TV broadcasts and text news material. The RT hardly invented the practice - BBC, CNN, NBC and others likely started it before the RT ever came into being. If you knew more about this world, Patrick, you would likely consider that possibility; but looks like you did not.

As for "Also, it's not text media - it's a fucking TV channel." - well, this looks like a text article to me. So does this. Go ahead, Patrick, read them - there is English text in there, even someone as ignorant as you should be able to see that.

And I am not even going to delve into the fact that one can both read text and watch videos from the same website. Clearly that is getting too involved for someone like you, Patrick, to comprehend.

So, tell me again, Patrick, what is it that makes me a "Pathological Liar"? I would guess the same thing as what makes me a stalker - your vivid imagination, your desire that people you dislike truly poses some negative characteristics that everyone would dislike them for. You are clearly not mature enough to just dislike somebody and realize this as an emotion. You are seeking justification - and if none is available you seem inclined to invent things, slandering people in the process. Well, hopefully you are just a teenager and this is just an unpleasant phase you are going through. Perhaps one day you will mature and be yourself ashamed of the lying slandering cowardly scoundrel you once were.

 
At 06 March, 2010 19:13, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

NoIdentity said...


Do they have the same stories in both languages? I got the impression it was English only and aimed at the UK and US media markets.

I prefer BBC and Al Jazeera anyways.


Yes, they do have articles in Russian, English, Arabic and Spanish (see my comment above for details on where to find them). And if their "About" section is to be trusted they certainly do aim for the market in Russia itself too.

 
At 06 March, 2010 19:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marc said...
We've failed to debunk the promotion of Richard Meyers? **runs down to the debunker-cult command center, asks about Meyers, runs back*** Yeah, that's because there is nothing to debunk, dillweed.

It has been "Proven" that intelligence agencies wanted the underoos bomber on teh plane...Really? When was that exactly? And the voices that come from your closet don't count.

marc, thanks for stepping up to get served

http://detnews.com/article/20100127/NATION/1270405/Terror-suspect-kept-visa-to-avoid-tipping-off-larger-investigation

please read the story u.s. intelligence agencies knew abdulmutallab was planning on traveling here, but per the request of and unnamed intelligence agency "investigation" he was allowed to come with no passport.

it's in the detroit news, but you'll probably shut the fuck up like rest after you read the story and find out that the truth of it cannot be debunked liked the rest around here.

let me show you how SLC works, i will demonstrate the evolution of a lie, and the intellectual elite debunking club known as SLC will fail to attempt any actual debate.

on jan 07 the president says we "failed to connect the dots."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/obamaterrorismsecuritypressconference.html

then on jan 22 abc news reported "Federal agents also tell ABCNews.com they are attempting to identify a man who passengers said helped Abdulmutallab change planes for Detroit when he landed in Amsterdam from Lagos, Nigeria.

Authorities had initially discounted the passenger accounts, but the agents say there is a growing belief the man have played a role to make sure Abdulmutallab "did not get cold feet."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/female-suicide-bombers-heading-yemen/story?id=9636341&page=2

finally on jan 27th detroit news reports "The State Department didn't revoke the visa of foiled terrorism suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab because federal counterterrorism officials had begged off revocation, a top State Department official revealed"

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100127/NATION/1270405/Terror-suspect-kept-visa-to-avoid-tipping-off-larger-investigation#ixzz0hSPEkZRG

again i say, if we can't get the truth about a guy who tried to blow up a plane, how can we be sure they won't change the story on the pentagon shooting in a month?

 
At 06 March, 2010 19:33, Anonymous fucktard patrol jr said...

Lazarus Long said...
"when you first rate intellectuals failed to disprove the promotion of richard myers."

Nobody cares, Krazee.


"With regard to the 9/11 attacks, it has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11th, simple on its face, is wrong in its value. Because the 9/11 terrorists were not just lucky once: they were lucky over and over again...." - mindy kleinburg.

she cares, but what do we care?

holding people responsible for not doing their jobs gets in the way fun and snarky shit talking.

 
At 06 March, 2010 19:49, Blogger Triterope said...

I'm guessing you mean HAARP although the AARP is quite powerful in Washington :-p

Yeah, I meant HAARP, not AARP. Though the idea of an AARP conspiracy is much funnier.

 
At 06 March, 2010 20:05, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"holding people responsible for not doing their jobs gets in the way fun and snarky shit talking."

Nobody cares, Krazee.

"English, motherfucka. DO YOU SPEAK IT?"

 
At 06 March, 2010 20:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...
"holding people responsible for not doing their jobs gets in the way fun and snarky shit talking."

Nobody cares, Krazee.

"English, motherfucka. DO YOU SPEAK IT?



apparently not as well as you, "krazee" is that like a term of endearment or some kind of retard slang? sorry, las i don't speak retard, you'll have to help with "krazee"

 
At 07 March, 2010 12:06, Blogger NoIdentity said...

Christ is this kid still whining about Abdulmutalab? At least he's got the bold-face order right.

 
At 07 March, 2010 13:11, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Luke hands out fliers and you give him more coverage than Britney Spears.That about sums the Debunker Cult up neatly!

 
At 08 March, 2010 07:21, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian; they've got their issues but I'd say when it comes to journalistic integrity they could give most of the US corporate media a run for their money'.

Boris is such a fucking comedian. Russia Today has been a Kremlin mouthpiece ever since its inception:

http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=609300
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/11/uttm/main1115914.shtml

Under Putin and Medvedev the Russian state has made a systematic effort to assert control over the Russian broadcast media, closing down and taking over independent TV stations:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/16/liberal-russian-channels-state-control

After Iraq, Russia is the most dangerous place to be a journalist. 88 have been killed since 1996 (compared to 138 in Iraq). This is a hell of a statistic for a country which (aside from the North Caucasus) is not experiencing civil conflict, insurgency, or regular terrorist attacks:

http://www.newssafety.org/images/pdf/KillingtheMessenger.pdf

Journalists like Anna Politkovskaya who report on stories which embarrass the Russian authorities (on corruption, security force atrocities, the nature of the war in Chechnya) tend to die. There have been 17 murders of Russian reporters since 2000 - all unsolved:

http://cpj.org/reports/CPJ.Anatomy%20of%20Injustice.pdf

But don't worry, Boris. 'Ti ochen sovok'. Nothing bad will happen to you as long as you keep listening to the voice of Big Brother.

 
At 08 March, 2010 09:08, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

sackcloth and ashes said...

'I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian; they've got their issues but I'd say when it comes to journalistic integrity they could give most of the US corporate media a run for their money'.

Boris is such a fucking comedian. Russia Today has been a Kremlin mouthpiece ever since its inception:


We will leave your infantile attempts to speak Russian, a language you clearly have a very basic knowledge of if that, alone. After all, this is an English website, so let us stick to English, shall we?

Now as to the substance of your diatribe. The Kremlin connections of Russia Today are well-known and hardly a secret. As for their reporting, well let's see:

In 2001 Litvinenko published his book "Blowing up Russia: Terror from within" co-authored with Yury Felshtinsky. In the book Litvinenko accuses the Russian security services of organizing terrorist acts and killings on Russian territory.

In 2002 he published another book "LCG (Lubyanka Criminal Group)."
‘Lubyanka’ is a common name for the headquarters of the Russian Federal Service.


Or:

Police officers suspected of torturing teenagers

or:

Journalist murder still unsolved 15 years on

Looks to be fairly critical of the same problems you mention.

So perhaps it is not your Russian that is lacking here, my little friend. Perhaps it is also your comprehension skills and general world knowledge. Which, given that you are a "debunker", does not exactly come as a surprise.

 
At 08 March, 2010 11:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Boris writes, "...I read RussiaToday in both English and Russian; they've got their issues but I'd say when it comes to journalistic integrity they could give most of the US corporate media a run for their money."

It's probably not a good idea to hold Russia Today up as an example of "journalistic integrity" given their track record.

Let's have a look at one example that's directly related to "9/11 truth".

Have a look at the following video:

Source: YouTube: Madsen: 'Whistle blown on secret 9/11 unit'.

The video concerns the "Q Group" or "First Fruits", an alleged "program within NSA".

Russia Today: "...What evidence do you have to suggest all these claims you are making?

Wayne Madsen: "...I've actually seen documentation about ah...ah...ah...ah...an organization--a program within NSA, ah, it's a program called 'First Fruits', a database that keeps track of journalists who write about the National Security Agency, and also contains information about, ah...who they're talking to, ah...it's ah, ah, ah, draconian organization, ah...it's prosecuted several people who were just doing their jobs. The most egregious being Ken Ford, who was a Rocky Rock Signal Intelligence officer working in the Iraqi shop, who discovered evidence that there was [SIC] no weapons of mass destruction. He was set up in a sting operation by this Q Group and it's the most egregious case I've ever seen, he was, ah...ah...ah...convicted...ah...ah...ah...and sentenced to seven years in prison based on a sting that...ah...involved the tainted jury pool, dirty judges, dirty prosecutors and with the active involvement of this NSA security group--not the only case, but the most egregious I've seen."


So, what's the quality and integrity of Wayne Madsen's exposé of "Q Group" or "First Fruits"?

Unnamed source? Check.

Undisclosed "documents"? Check.

Apparently, we're supposed to take Wayne Madsen's word on the subject, sans hard evidence.

That doesn't sound like "journalistic integrity" to me, Boris.

 
At 08 March, 2010 11:24, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Desperate whining from the whacked out Debunker Cult.Up steps Sackie the Dim Bulb Occupation Stooge to put forth yet ANOTHER totally insane conspiracy theory.Russia and Putin are no doubt in league with Fujita,Meacher,Von Bulow,Matathir Muhammaad,etc.etc. in an international conspiracy to frame the CIA et al. for 9/11!! Think maybe they actually know something about how the intelligence gang operates?

 
At 08 March, 2010 11:25, Blogger Boris Epstein said...

GuitarBill said...

...

Apparently, we're supposed to take Wayne Madsen's word on the subject, sans hard evidence.

That doesn't sound like "journalistic integrity" to me, Boris.


I never said RT had a perfect record as far as journalistic integrity went. I merely said that they are probably better than the MSM here in the US. Given the way NYT, Fox and the like operate that is not much of an achievement. In fact, I didn't mean to compliment the RT, just to make a casual observation.

 
At 09 March, 2010 05:47, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Sackie the Dim Bulb Occupation Stooge to put forth yet ANOTHER totally insane conspiracy theory.'

Says the man who accused Reagan of instigating Iraq's attack on Iran, which happened four months before his inauguration.

You do not have to believe in a 'conspiracy' to see why some governments on this planet (most notably the Iranians) will give 'da troof' a platform. Although given that Putin was the first world leader to offer Dubya his support after the 9/11 attacks, I think the Russian state media's flirtation with the nutjob brigade will have some limitations. You can't call the current Prime Minister a fool or a shill, after all.

As for you Boris, I accept that you write in English better than I write in Russian. But on the other hand, I take pride in not being an obsessive, retarded social failure like yourself. And I also note the fact that your willingness to uncover the 'truth' about 9/11 does not extend to asking awkward questions about what your own government has done to its people. But then Ms Politkovskaya (who was a genuine truth-seeker) shows what the consequences of that can be.

I just hope you enjoy living in a country which - once the oil and gas runs out - will be a colder version of Zimbabwe.

 
At 09 March, 2010 05:50, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Incidentally, Walt, you remember when the Iranians nicked Abdolmalek Rigi (23rd, last month), they said they had all this evidence which linked Jundollah to Uncle Sam? Ever wondered why they've not actually taken the chance to embarrass the Great Satan and release it?

Maybe the CIA gave Rigi some exploding paint. You never know.

 

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