Friday, March 26, 2010

The Sounds of Silence

Over at Truth Move, several people are appalled at an email that's been going around the movement claiming that Steven Jones is disinfo and that Judy Wood is legit. Well, half-right, anyway. But John Albanese brings up a valid point:

Has Jones submitted his paper, along with samples, to independent labs for verification?

no - he has not.

Are we to simply take his word - as an article of faith? Many in the movement do. But - if we are having a truly objective discussion on this subject - lets be real here. Dr. Jones' paper has not yet been independently verified. And - claiming it is DENIAL - akin to people's resistance to global warming - is not an altogether intellectually honest comparison.


Victoria Ashley counters:

Actually they have. Several different researchers have verified the findings.


Albanese:

well this is big news! Please point us in the direction of these independent labs that have independently tested samples from the WTC dust. I thought it was only Jones who had done this.


And suddenly the crickets are his only reply; nothing in the last four days.

Update: Well, that got things going over there; suddenly lots of new posts on the thread. Victoria Ashley points to this "independent" confirmation by a chemical engineer, who just happens to be a member of Box Boy Gage's Gaggle. He calls in to a radio show in Keene New Hampshire (where have we heard of that town before?). The program's name is "Empire Watch" which gives us a good clue that it's kook city. But in the interview, I can see no direct confirmation of "nanothermite"; just talk about the iron microspheres and the red and grey chips.

Basile mentions joining Gage's gaggle. Here's the interesting part, however. He's not listed there now on their engineers page. He's listed at STJ911 as having a BS degree in chemical engineering. I can see that quite a few of the engineers at AE 9-11 Troof are chemical engineers, so I'm a little baffled as to why he doesn't appear on their roster.

The other "independent confirmation" apparently comes from one Frédéric Henry-Couannier. But here's what he found (pdf file):


And yes, he's a Troofer himself, which explains why he thinks maybe his sample was "deactivated to prevent my independent corroboration of a crucial proof." So far from being independent confirmation, he is in fact non-independent and non-confirming. As lawyers like to say, that's an admission against self-interest, which is considered the strongest kind of evidence possible.

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22 Comments:

At 26 March, 2010 12:38, Blogger Billman said...

Well, WE tried to tell the troofers this a while ago. They're only NOW catching on?

 
At 26 March, 2010 13:31, Blogger Billman said...

Reading those comments on that link has been awesome. There are troofers in there saying the exact same things about Jones's work that we have been for months.

So, where's Brian Good? Shouldn't he be in there to call them little girls who don't understand meatball on a fork? Where Boris to say how they don't understand how awesome Boris is? What about Jon Gold asking why they don't care about the familiy members? Where's Arhoolie asking them to come to New York so he can kick their ass?

They're saying the exact same things we keep fighting with them over. Hippocrits.

 
At 26 March, 2010 15:49, Blogger Billman said...

*crickets*

 
At 26 March, 2010 16:29, Blogger Triterope said...

I think the lesson here is how Truthers will only seek scientific verification from other Truthers.

I'm sure there are labs all over the United States that could test this exploding paint chip stuff -- without even having to know the agenda behind it.

But no, Truther A has to send his samples halfway around the world to Truther B, who then posts an open letter on Truther Website C about how the 9-11 conspiracy is proven by basic laws of physics that even high schoolers know.

It's cultish, really.

 
At 26 March, 2010 16:52, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Funny but I was just called an shill for the auto companies because I have been pointing out the ridiculous accusation aimed at Toyota. I have done illustration work for Ford and Chrysler, but if I were on their payroll I sure as hell would not defend Toyota.

 
At 26 March, 2010 16:57, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

All they have to do is prove the concept viable. Demonstrate this super nano paint thing can work by doing. No excuses, just do it. Needn’t be anything big cut a reasonable size piece of steel with a reasonable amount of this super paint.

 
At 26 March, 2010 17:46, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Have they analyzed cow chips?

 
At 26 March, 2010 23:02, Blogger angrysoba said...

The Truthers are sitting on the most top secret super-duper-magico explosive substance. One that's barely known to man and yet nobody wants it...

Pyongyang University doesn't want it?There are no ex-Soviet scientists paying them large amounts of cash for it?

It's funny how often the Truthers bring up the Manhattan project. Because the analogy would be that their nutty professors have got parts to an atomic bomb in 1945 and yet Stalin isn't interested.

 
At 27 March, 2010 07:26, Blogger Billman said...

Shhhhh! That's because China and Russia are obviously in on it!

Though, give it time, it sounds like Iran might go sniffing for some of the stuff.

 
At 28 March, 2010 11:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark Basile did confirm. You lied about him, then told the truth about Couannier.

Honesty...too much to ask from torture freak Shat Turdley.

 
At 29 March, 2010 16:08, Anonymous Arhoolie the Cyber-Hero said...

Poor Angry yet Subpar,the sap actually thinks he's witty.George W.Bush looking under the desk in the Oval Office for weapons of mass destruction is a relative howler.My man,you ought to test run stupid shit like that.Well,this is truly a scrap heap so....

 
At 29 March, 2010 16:46, Anonymous New Yorker said...

Poor Angry yet Subpar,the sap actually thinks he's witty.George W.Bush looking under the desk in the Oval Office for weapons of mass destruction is a relative howler.My man,you ought to test run stupid shit like that.Well,this is truly a scrap heap so....

Can someone who is fluent in Retard please translate this into English?

 
At 29 March, 2010 17:16, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Can someone who is fluent in Retard please translate this into English?"

Here you go:

"There can be no doubt that applied logic stands in need of the phenomena. The discipline of natural reason, even as this relates to the never-ending regress in the series of empirical conditions, is a representation of the phenomena. As is shown in the writings of Hume, Galileo tells
us practical reason (and it is obvious that this is true), has
lying before it our a priori knowledge. Because of the
relationship between space and the objects in space and time,
time depends on the paralogisms. In natural theology, what we
have alone been able to show is that the phenomena, so regarded, are by their very nature contradictory. The noumena,
in accordance with the principles of the transcendental unity
of apperception, occupy part of the sphere of the transcendental aesthetic concerning the existence of the noumena in general, yet our experience, on the contrary,
teaches us nothing whatsoever regarding the content of our
understanding."

 
At 29 March, 2010 19:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't you at least try to get your paste right, you turd?

 
At 29 March, 2010 20:26, Blogger angrysoba said...

Poor Angry yet Subpar,the sap actually thinks he's witty.George W.Bush looking under the desk in the Oval Office for weapons of mass destruction is a relative howler.

Not as funny as Steven Jones looking into his beaker of dust for nano-thermite!

 
At 30 March, 2010 00:55, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or you, looking down past your belly button, frenetically looking for the penis you don't have.

 
At 30 March, 2010 01:09, Blogger angrysoba said...

Or you, looking down past your belly button, frenetically looking for the penis you don't have.

Rubbish joke.

 
At 30 March, 2010 09:55, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Rubbish joke."

Wait. That was supposed to be a joke?

I thought it was an insult posted by a third grader.

A mentally challanged third grader.

 
At 30 March, 2010 21:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A mentally challanged [sic] third grader."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

You're such a beef-brained douche man, you're one in a million! Somebody needs to construct a monument to stupidity with your name on it.

"challanged" [sic] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
At 30 March, 2010 23:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...Or you, looking down past your belly button, frenetically looking for the penis you don't have."

That's rich--and especially so when one considers that you're a sawed-off, 135 lbs. soaking wet, penis challenged, prematurely bald runt, who, if subjected to psychiatric intervention, would end up on a daily regimen of Chlorpromazine.

So, how's insanity working out for you, Glenn?

 
At 31 March, 2010 02:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus, is that you in the picture? You are one ugly motherfucker. And who the fuck is "Glenn"?

Why must you bunkturds all be so ugly & hideous?

Most'a you have faces only ya mama could love.

 
At 31 March, 2010 02:07, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at Billman's profile...

is there even one of you not in "security" or in the "military"?

 

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