Thursday, April 22, 2010

Mostly About the Bentham Open Chemical/Physics Journal



A terrific bit of debunking here. Note that the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal only published four papers in 2009. Care to guess their total for 2010? Here's a hint; it's a nice, round number.

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At 22 April, 2010 07:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cool, next time a terrorist is caught in an airport with explosives on him, he can just claim: I'm not going to deal with your accusations, unless there is a specific question about it, that demands a response.

After all, if you refuse to speculate what exactly it is that I did or plan to do with this explosive material, I am a free man.

Sounds nuts? Nope. Just another day in the life of an acolyte of the state worshipping debunker cult.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:22, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Welp. The Dodgers are in DC tomorrow.

Maybe I'll find time to interview some Citgo employees.

I'll need to remember to bring my custom made tin foil hat with chin strap. Being that close to so many NWO evil scum can be dangerous. Don't want them reading my thoughts. EVIL BASTARDS!!!!

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:38, Blogger Billman said...

Yes, Anonymous, because that works so well for anyone now...

Nevermind that its illegal to have explosive material in the airport in the first place, so who cares what his intent was with it? He shouldn't have brought that stuff with him. Ignorance of the law is no excuse either.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you can run into some cops to racially insult, child abusing stalker filth. Jailbird.

Why are you not taking your IED meds? Why are you ignoring your therapist, Troy? He has your best interest at heart.

By the way, have you moved out of your mom's basement yet, you cretinous oaf?

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nevermind that its illegal to have explosive material in the airport in the first place, so who cares what his intent was with it? He shouldn't have brought that stuff with him. Ignorance of the law is no excuse either."

— Billman

YES!! Yes Billman! You get it! Awesome!

It is illegal to have explosive material in WTC dust in the first place, so who cares with the intent was with it? They shouldn't have brought that stuff into the WTC. Ignorance of the law is no excuse either.

This is why I made the analogy in the first place, and it appears you fully understand where I'm coming from. Thank you.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cue the fierce evasive maneuvers in 3..2..1..

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:47, Blogger Billman said...

And the first Ad-hom of the thread comes from the troofers... no surprise there.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:49, Blogger Billman said...

Okay, Anonymous, just prove that explosive material was in WTC in the first place, and I'll agree with you.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:57, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

I appreciate the concern, anonymous. I'm taking my meds and I have returned home, out of my mothers basement, when I departed from my unjustly venture to jail.

I have no intention of making racial slurs to cops, nor will I be abusing my children on the trip, after all, they are not abused kids.


Why are you kooks so concerned about my kids anyways?

When they grow up and are succesfull adults they will most likely ignore you crazies. And if they were to pay attention to you, they'd only do so to make fun of you.

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:58, Blogger Billman said...

I call that evasive maneuver "Attack Pattern Alpha."

 
At 22 April, 2010 08:58, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

It is illegal to have explosive material in WTC dust in the first place,

My GAWD.... you are apeshit crazy, aren't you?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:03, Blogger Billman said...

Cause I'm bored, and this thread has yet to explode into a 100 comment flame war against GB and a troofer, the current ad-hom count is: Troofers 1 - Dumbunkers 1

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:04, Blogger Billman said...

And cure the *crickets* in... about 5 posts ago.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/04/21/jeffrey-scott-shapiro-jesse-venture-book-lies-truthers-ground-zero-sept-shame/

"Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall."

Wow, I never knew Larry was considering a "Controlled Demolition" for WTC7 on 9/11/2001. Seems to me that he needs to be brought forward to testify about his thoughts. Something that was never done.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:06, Blogger Billman said...

Stupid auto spell, I meant *cue*

I suppose that deserves an Ad-hom response somehow.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:08, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Troy, you aren't in any position to call anybody apeshit crazy, ha ha ha. *You* are on meds and *you* are in therapy. *You* are in the news for being such a loon, a stalker and a child abuser. *You* are a jailbird. *You* are a racist. *You* harass 9/11 family members.

And apparently, *you* need some additional medication for denial and projection. Have you talked about that with your therapist?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:09, Blogger Billman said...

Nice source, anonymous, but that's not important. Explain to me why having a 110 story building falling on your WTC 7 and then the fire and structural damage as a result of that, makes your building in anyway salvageable... so wether the building collapsed or not on 9/11. It probably would have been demolished. Proof of inside job... how?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, thanks for that link!

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn prevaricates, "...YES!! Yes Billman! You get it! Awesome!...It is illegal to have explosive material in WTC dust in the first place, so who cares with the intent was with it? They shouldn't have brought that stuff into the WTC. Ignorance of the law is no excuse either...This is why I made the analogy in the first place, and it appears you fully understand where I'm coming from."

"[E]xplosive material in WTC dust"?

So far, there's no evidence whatsoever to support that assertion. I do agree, however, that the 9/11 troofers™' conclusions should be looked at carefully.

That said, I trust that professor Jones will release his "dust samples" to the scientific community any day now so his conclusion's can be verified by his peers.

%^)

Right, Glenn?

Right?

(Don't hold your breath).

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow Billman, those are some impressive denialist mental gymnastics...just when I thought you were making progress.

Did you just admit WTC 7 was demolished, but you claim it doesn't matter? Or did you just claim WTC 7 wasn't demolished because it doesn't matter? Do you ever feel like your brain is tied into a knot? Because you sure sound like it, lol!

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Billshitter™, just stop cruising the Boulevard of Broken Promises™ and raise that money for that publication in Bentham you promised about. After all, it's a "pay-for-play" journal right? It should be goddamn easy to get your paper published.

But you fail! You fail, fail, fail, then crash and burn! (And you break your promises)

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:16, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

You sure seem to think you know a lot about me? But in typical twoofer fashion, you get it all wrong.

Nope, not in therapy. Yes, I've had anger issues in the past.

Nope, never in the news for being a loon and a stlaker. And, nope, I'm not a child abuser.

Yep, I'm a tad bit prejudice, but nope, not a racist.

Yeah, I did give that piece of shit Bob McIlvaine a hard time.


So why is it you crazies are so concerned about my kids. When they're grown up and successful, they likely wont give a shit about you failures.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just think Larry Silverstein should be brought to testify publicly and under oath because he "was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building." Not to mention the fact that he owned all three buildings that collapsed that day.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:17, Blogger Billman said...

And find me any demolition team that can rig a building to collapse in hours, instead of months. Oh, and with explosives that are quiet and don't produce any visible signs of their use as well.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would Larry be on the phone with his insurance company deciding about a Controlled Demolition if it wasn't possible to wire it within a couple of hours?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:20, Blogger Billman said...

No, Anonymous, I admitted that it makes sense that he would consider demolishing it. Not saying there's any proof that it was demolished, or that he even made the call you allege from a troofer source.

Just that if he did make such a call, it makes sense considering the unrecoverable damage to the building. Unless you can somehow show the building could be repaired....

But hey, qoute mine me til your heart's content.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox News is "a troofer source?" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... you guys are really evil pieces of shit with your spin, and lies.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No proof other than the fact that it looked like a "Controlled Demolition."

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:22, Blogger Billman said...

Wow. Well, Anonymous, find me any demolition company that's ready to go at a moments notice, and could possibly rig a building that size in hours, and I'll agree with you. Considering it takes 6 months just to do a 6 story condo here in Vegas, I might make a fortune being a middle man to hook up companies here in VEGAS with that kind of quick setup. Damn, I'll even cut you in on the profits.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:22, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

I just think Larry Silverstein ...

Nobody that matters gives a shit what you insane fucks think.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the matter Troy? Did you realize you have been on the wrong side of this argument? Maybe you should start crank calling Pat and James instead of 9/11 Family Members. Shouldn't you guys be the ones to prove to me that it's impossible to rig a building for Controlled Demolition within a couple of hours based on Silverstein's phone call to his insurance company?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:27, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean, I would think Larry Silverstein, someone involved in construction, would know more about Controlled Demolition than you stupid fucking debunkers.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:28, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

What's the matter Troy? Did you realize you have been on the wrong side of this argument? Maybe you should start crank calling Pat and James instead of 9/11 Family Members. Shouldn't you guys be the ones to prove to me that it's impossible to rig a building for Controlled Demolition within a couple of hours based on Silverstein's phone call to his insurance company?

Youre an idiot.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:29, Blogger Billman said...

It looks like a controlled demo to you, but not to me. Then again, I've seen several live in person (from a safe distance).

And oops, about the fox news link. I just saw the Jesse Ventura stuff.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yeah, I did give that piece of shit Bob McIlvaine a hard time."

That sentence tells anyone interested to know what "Screw Loose Change" is all about, all they need to know.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy... you should really call Bob McIlvaine, and apologize for threatening to put a bullet in his head.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:30, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

The warped way you loons interpret things is fascinating.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yeah, I did give that piece of shit Bob McIlvaine a hard time."

That sentence tells anyone interested to know what "Screw Loose Change" is all about, all they need to know.


Nope. Wrong again.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn prevaricates, "...Hey Billshitter™, just stop cruising the Boulevard of Broken Promises™ and raise that money for that publication in Bentham you promised about. After all, it's a 'pay-for-play' journal right? It should be goddamn easy to get your paper published...But you fail! You fail, fail, fail, then crash and burn! (And you break your promises)."

I see that you're still working on the concept of burden of proof. Not to worry, Glenn. After all, I'm sure you have plenty of spare time to brush up on your special brand of intellectual dishonesty™, so by all means, carry on.

In any case, you didn't deal with the substance of my argument, Glenn, In fact, you ignored my point completely (what's new?).

So, once again, I'm forced to drag you back to the subject:

"...That said, I trust that professor Jones will release his 'dust samples' to the scientific community any day now so his conclusion's can be verified by his peers...Right, Glenn?...Right?"

So where are the "dust samples"?

Just askin'...

%^)

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, you don't deliberate with cowardly bullies, child abusers, stalkers and racists. You put them in jail.

Alternatively, if you see them, you beat them to a fucking pulp and make sure you have an alibi.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy is psychopathic child abuser. Pay him no mind. He really belongs in prison, but unfortunately because of the way the U.S. is right now, the system isn't working.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:33, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Troy... you should really call Bob McIlvaine, and apologize for threatening to put a bullet in his head.

Nope. Never happened. Wrong yet again. The sick, demented old man should put a bullet thru his own head though. It'd put an end to his miserable existence once and for all.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:34, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pity Troy. I really do. I wonder what it's like to go through life not being able to have a coherent thought, not being to keep his hands off of children... sad.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:35, Blogger Billman said...

Anonymous, so if I call my insurance company about wether they willl cover getting a cavity taken care of for a future appointment with the dentist I haven't made yet, and then I brush my teeth a couple of hours later, does that mean my cavity was taken care of by the dentist?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pity Troy. I really do. I wonder what it's like to go through life not being able to have a coherent thought, not being to keep his hands off of children... sad.

No need to feel sorry for me loonbird. Other than this one little hiccup, I'm living the American Dream.

PS - If you run into Bob McIlvaine buy him a box of tissues, will ya?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon Billman, even you must realize that Larry wouldn't have been on the phone with insurance company, during a time when New York is under attack (not exactly a time that they could "wait" 6 months to set up a Controlled Demolition), unless there was a chance they could wire it up within a couple of hours.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:41, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

C'mon Billman, even you must realize that Larry wouldn't have been on the phone with insurance company, during a time when New York is under attack (not exactly a time that they could "wait" 6 months to set up a Controlled Demolition), unless there was a chance they could wire it up within a couple of hours.

Idiot

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:42, Blogger Billman said...

Also, can you explan to me what Larry Silverstien should have done, then? I mean, it makes sense to be on the phone to your insurance companies after you suffer a loss. Should he have waited for a few days, and gasped in horror at the t.v. just to throw the truthers off?

Should I NOT call Geico right after an accident?

Or would to do so be proof on an inside job?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was on the phone specifically talking about whether or not the building should be brought down in a "Controlled Demolition." According to Fox News. He wasn't on the phone to see what his deductible was.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every time Troy calls someone a name, you know that they are right.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:45, Blogger Pat said...

Two problems with Shapiro's account:

1. It is second-hand, or hearsay evidence. He does not say that Silverstein was talking about controlled demolition of the building; rather he says that some cops and Con Ed workers told him that Silverstein was doing that.

2. From the context, they did not actually demolish the building. "While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was."

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:46, Blogger Billman said...

Okay, so if I call Geico immediately about getting my car towed, that means inside job?

You need to kind of remove the building that's there, in order to rebuild it. Which... if I'm not mistaken, WTC 7 was the first one rebuilt.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the mean time, Troy, he is known and loved by a large contingent of people, while you are shunned and despised by all truthers and the majority of the debunkers.

In the mean time, Troy, you are a convicted child abuser who actually lived in "mom's basement" you accuse truthers of living in.

In the mean time, Troy, you and your ugly head can be found online everywhere, mostly on a mug shot.

In the mean time, Troy, you got arrested for stalking a woman and racially insulting a police officer. You and your buddies are hypocrites and two-faced cowards.

Your children will grow up to realize just what kind of outlandish, creepy, tragic, violent, aggressive and socially outcast freakazoid you really were and are. They will grow up to realize that there are pictures of their father online sitting on the toilet with his pants down. Mug shots. News reports of arrests. Youtube vidoes of him harassing and threatening 9/11 family members, even encouraging them to commit suicide.

In the mean time, Troy, the whole world knows that you ARE actually MENTALLY ILL, and that you must take medication to combat this illness. That you ARE in therapy.

That you ARE all those things you ever accused truthers of being.

And that, Troy, coupled with your gloating delusional rants and the chest-beating, ignorant redneck excrement you post here, will typify you forever. It will be the cause of your kids being bullied in school. It will harm your long term relationship with them. Eventually, you'll end up alone and probably on drugs.

Enjoy your life. Because nobody else would want to trade with you, no matter how much you wish that to be case. And God help your children.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:48, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Every time Troy calls someone a name, you know that they are right.

Wrong.....again.

I don't think whining on this blog is accomplishing anything you nutball. You need to be hollering outside Silverstein's office. That'll wake up the sheep.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:51, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Troy, you got arrested for stalking a woman and racially insulting a police officer.

Those lies, in particular, caught my attention.


PS: Bob McIlvaine is still a piece of shit.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn prevaricates, "...After all, it's a 'pay-for-play' journal right? It should be goddamn easy to get your paper published...But you fail! You fail, fail, fail, then crash and burn! (And you break your promises)."

You're absolutely right, Glenn--in your own special way™, that is.

%^)

There's only one little itty-bitty problem: Without Jones' "dust samples" it will be impossible to verify his conclusions.

Right, Glenn?

Right?

So, I ask you again: Where are the "dust samples"?

After all, I'm just asking questions...

%^)

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:52, Blogger Billman said...

Anonymous, you said so yourself, that Silverstien knows a lot more about controlled demolitions and insurance that we do. So explain how making a call to your insurance company about preparations to begin covering your losses, of which controlled demolitions of your ruined building is probably a part of, implies some kind of nefarious act?

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:54, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

In the mean time, Troy, he is known and loved by a large contingent of people, while you are shunned and despised by all truthers and the majority of the debunkers.

In the mean time, Troy, you are a convicted child abuser who actually lived in "mom's basement" you accuse truthers of living in.

In the mean time, Troy, you and your ugly head can be found online everywhere, mostly on a mug shot.

In the mean time, Troy, you got arrested for stalking a woman and racially insulting a police officer. You and your buddies are hypocrites and two-faced cowards.

Your children will grow up to realize just what kind of outlandish, creepy, tragic, violent, aggressive and socially outcast freakazoid you really were and are. They will grow up to realize that there are pictures of their father online sitting on the toilet with his pants down. Mug shots. News reports of arrests. Youtube vidoes of him harassing and threatening 9/11 family members, even encouraging them to commit suicide.

In the mean time, Troy, the whole world knows that you ARE actually MENTALLY ILL, and that you must take medication to combat this illness. That you ARE in therapy.

That you ARE all those things you ever accused truthers of being.

And that, Troy, coupled with your gloating delusional rants and the chest-beating, ignorant redneck excrement you post here, will typify you forever. It will be the cause of your kids being bullied in school. It will harm your long term relationship with them. Eventually, you'll end up alone and probably on drugs.

Enjoy your life. Because nobody else would want to trade with you, no matter how much you wish that to be case. And God help your children.


WOW Could you do me a favor. Tell me who's going to win the Super Bowl. I trust your insight. I'm betting everything I own on your answer.


Nah... I'm just joking. I do get a good laugh when you lunatics predict the future though.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:55, Blogger Billman said...

Then, if you could also find me the company in new york that is ready to go with a controlled demolition of a building the size of WTC 7, with all the personnel and equipment, and can finish it THAT DAY, I will totally agree with you... oh, after you show me the quiet explosives that leave no visible signs of their use, that they had to have used.

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:58, Blogger Billman said...

Or, to make it easier on you, please find me the one court of law in the entire universe with the jurisdiction on this matter, that will accept "Fox news says that Larry Silverstien made a call to his insurance company about controlled demolitions", as complete total proof of all of the above....

 
At 22 April, 2010 09:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There's only one little itty-bitty problem: Without Jones' "dust samples" it will be impossible to verify his conclusions."

Weak excuse. Get your own dust sample, fucktard. Now keep your promise and put up or shut up.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:04, Blogger Billman said...

Or you can ignore me, anonymous. That works, too. I was being cordial, but you're obviously on the attack for anyone who disagrees with you, and ignoring those who are actually debating with you. I'm simply telling you what I need from you to agree with your point. But so far, all you have done is accuse me of being fucking stupid, and evading you. So... whatever.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:05, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

get your own dust sample god dammit!!!!

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:08, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

YOU KEEP YOUR PROMISE TO THE ANONYMOUS LOON!!!

YOU GET THOSE DUST SAMPLES!!!111

INSIDE JOBBY JOB TROOF DEPENDS ON YOU GETTING THOSE DUST SAMPLES!!!

ANON'S (SO CALLED) LIFE IS GOING TO BE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL YOU GET THOSE SAMPLES!!!

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billman, obviously it's a combination of factors and evidence, including the fact that the NIST report is a complete fraud.

And Pat, do you believe Shapiro's claim that WTC 7's collapse was silent? Regardless of whether or not it was intentionally demolished, that assertion is ludicrous.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn prevaricates, "...Weak excuse. Get your own dust sample, fucktard."

Hmmmmm...

Okay, but wouldn't that be bad science?

You know, kind of like the pseudo-science practiced by professor Jones?

So, I'll ask you again: Where are the "dust samples"?

After all, I'm just asking questions...

%^)

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:12, Blogger Billman said...

Okay, WHICH factors and evidence? You obviously have an idea of what they are that convincces YOU. Please share them.

And since you made a direct accusation that the NIST report is a fraud, I assume you have some sort of proof of that as well, unless you want to be accused of libel.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:13, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Billman, obviously it's a combination of factors and evidence, including the fact that the NIST report is a complete fraud.

And Pat, do you believe Shapiro's claim that WTC 7's collapse was silent? Regardless of whether or not it was intentionally demolished, that assertion is ludicrous.


Moron

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, Troy, many people predicted correctly that you would become unhinged and derail completely. Look at where you are now, ex-con. You're a mess.

Take your medication and go bother your therapist with your insane ramblings. Your internet pass has been revoked for the day. LOL.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:17, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Wow. In looney World...

"And Pat, do you believe Shapiro's claim that WTC 7's collapse was silent?"

equals

"I was stunned by how quiet it was."

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Okay, but wouldn't that be bad science?"

Nah, man, it would require several things you've never had in your entire life:

* Honesty
* Skill
* Real masters degrees
* Wherewithal
* Objectiveness
* Patience
* Intelligence
* Diligence
* Connections
* Prior accomplishments
* Courage
* Integrity
* Reliability

I think this is going to be a mission impossible for you Billshitter™

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:20, Blogger Billman said...

I fail to see how ad-hom attacking Troy somehow proves the Truther allegation that the collapse of WTC 7 is somehow a controlled demolition planned by the Bush Administration and acted upon by orders from Larry Silverstien after he called his insurance company, as told from FOX News...

What am I missing to follow this train of thought and become a 9/11 Truther? Because Anonymous said it was "obvious."

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:22, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

My 4 favorites from the kook.

* Honesty
* Real masters degrees
* Intelligence
* Prior accomplishments

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy, you mentally ill troglodyte. You are quote mining.

"This is false. I know this because I remember watching all 47 stories of Building 7 suddenly and silently crumble before my eyes.

(...)

While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area.

There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was."


Shapiro is fantasizing this part. His claim about demolition foreknowledge is indeed corroborated though, and has been trivialized by the state worshiping debunker cult for years.

Anyways, Troy, take your meds and visit your therapist. Have you told him about this blog, and how it helped drive you to insanity and aggression? Your therapist would probably advise you to not visit it anymore, and I agree with him.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billman, Troy Sexton and all of his friends are fair game. So shut the fuck up, nobody cares whether or not you believe the fantasies you tell yourself in order to keep trusting your criminal government.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:31, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

In the World of the Crazies,

they fail to comprehend the information the writer, and in this case the observer, witnessed and heard.

Maybe the guy's a NWO shill. Yeah. That's the ticket.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:33, Blogger Billman said...

Anonymous, why is Troy "fair game?" He is certianly not a model citizen or representative of everyone in here who disagrees with 9/11 Truth allegations.

Who said I believed the government? I'm asking you to show me what makes you believe they did this. You're attacking me. So... what is it you want?

As a truther, aren't you supposed to be out there trying to get people te see things the way you do? To bring out the truth?

I'm asking you to help me find the truth. I want to see it like you do, because I don't udnerstand how someone can just come in here and attack people they don't know who merely disagree with you. Unless you have some hard core solid proof that what you believ is the real truth. I'm just asking to see it.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you, loony tunes, forgot to take you medication this morning, which makes you a danger to your children. It's irresponsible and egotistical.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:36, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Anyways, Troy, take your meds and visit your therapist.

I'm taking my med, not meds. Sorry, I don't see a therapist.

Have you considered seeing a therapist for your demetia? Honestly, I dont care if you do or you dont. But I am humbled by your concern for me.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:37, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

And you, loony tunes, forgot to take you medication this morning, which makes you a danger to your children. It's irresponsible and egotistical.

wrong....again

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn prevaricates, "...I think this is going to be a mission impossible for you Billshitter™"

Okay Glenn, if you say so.

I suppose that explains why I've kicked your sorry ass from one end of this blog to the other?

Right, Glenn?

Never mind, your little head might explode, and we wouldn't want that "negative patient care outcome", now would we, Glenn?

%^)

That said, let's return to the subject, shall we?

No sane scientist or engineer will dispute the need for access to Jones' "dust samples". After all, how can the conclusions reached by Drs Jones, Harrit, et al, be confirmed?

Right, Glenn?

Right?

So, I'll ask you again: Where are the "dust samples"?

After all, I'm just asking questions...

%^)

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, yeah, Billman, by now I'm familiar with your particular brand of soft spoken denialism and wussy subterfuge. In fact, I've seen most if not all of the state worshiper Phenotypes.

Choose whatever path to denial and apologism you wish, you're all the same to me, and given the right stimulus, you'll quickly toss that mask you're wearing, you know that as well as I. You're all a bunch of degenerate, pathologically lying, collaborating scumbags.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:41, Anonymous Bob McIlvaine said...

I'm in therapy. Why are you poking fun of people in therapy?

The United States killed my son. And nobody will isten to me. Actually, some listen to me when I travel to other Countries.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I suppose that explains why I've kicked your sorry ass from one end of this blog to the other?"

And then you wake up, make yourself a cup of coffee, cover all the fatal mistakes you made in the debate, and plot new ways to creatively make a complete ass out of yourself online all over again with the same tired old canards. LOL.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:44, Blogger Billman said...

The thing that fascinates me about 9/11 Truth is the level of violence and the innocent people that have been killed by believers in it.

I've never heard of anyone being killed in the name of JFK conspiracies, UFOs, Bigfoot, Clinton's impeachment, Watergate, Obama's birth certificate... but with 9/11 Truth we get people murdering their fathers, and Arhoolie wanting to kick everyone's assess, and anonymous claiming Troy is "fair game" for Ad-hominem attacks, and all for 9/11 Truth.

Is this what Dylan wanted when he said for truthers to "ask questions?" Cause he sure seems to support anyone who agrees with him regardless of character, and has openly supported physical harm against those who don't even if they're respectable people.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Face it Billy Boy, you've gotten your can kicked from here to Japan.

angrysoba saw you fly over.

Especially amusing was that delirious tantrum you concluded with.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The thing that fascinates me about 9/11 Truth is the level of violence and the innocent people that have been killed by believers in it."

You seem to want to forget the illegal war, mass murder, kidnappings, torture and general evisceration of civil rights in the name of the "Global War On Terror". I'd say the official conspiracy theory is far more dangerous.

But then again, when has a double standard ever stopped a state worshiper.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy has victimized many 911 truthers. How many of us has he called pretending he was one of us? Only to ask us what our biggest piece of evidence 9/11 was an Inside Job was? Then we're left stuttering. Looking stupid. Then he calls us paranooid fuckfaces. And he puts it on YouTube. Troy has made us look foolish many times. He is fair game. Now and forever.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:50, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

I, for one, have had many sleepless nights thinking about the anguish KSM went thru when waterboarded.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn Maxey, prevaricator for 9/11 troof™, completely avoids the substance of my argument again, and scribbles, "...And then you wake up, make yourself a cup of coffee, cover all the fatal mistakes you made in the debate, and plot new ways to creatively make a complete ass out of yourself online all over again with the same tired old canards. LOL."

Nice dodge, slippery one.

Unfortunately, you conveniently went out of your way to avoid the substance of my argument (Again, what's new?).

So, once again, I'm forced to drag you back to the subject:

"...No sane scientist or engineer will dispute the need for access to Jones' 'dust samples'. After all, how can the conclusions reached by Drs Jones, Harrit, et al, be confirmed?...Right, Glenn?...Right?...So, I'll ask you again: Where are the 'dust samples'?"

Can you try to stay on topic, Glenn?

After all, I'm just asking questions.

 
At 22 April, 2010 10:56, Blogger Billman said...

Hey, I'm no saint. I admit I've been in "Ad-hom" mode more often than not. I'm just trying to honestly debate you guys now in the established way you're always complaining about. Isn't that what you want? To debate seriously?

Or do you just want to say whatever you can to somehow get us all flustered?

There is no proper stimulus for me. Nothing you can say or call me will make me flip out or whatever. And if that's all you're going for, I'll go back to watch youtube videos today. Just, it seems all 9/11 truthers want is to piss people off. Sad. It doesn't even work, either.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:00, Blogger Billman said...

Anonymous, if you can prove the war was "illegal" and that there have been "mass murders" from evidence that's other than "I don't like Bush" or "I disagree with the war", then I'll agree with you.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn Maxey, prevaricator for 9/11 troof™, whimpers, "...And then you wake up, make yourself a cup of coffee, cover all the fatal mistakes you made in the debate, and plot new ways to creatively make a complete ass out of yourself online all over again with the same tired old canards. LOL."

Yeah, I suppose that explains why you go out of your away to avoid the substance of my argument--no matter the subject--at ALL COSTS.

Right, Glenn?

Right?

So what are you afraid of, Glenn?

After all, I'm just asking questions.

%^)

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:05, Blogger Billman said...

You just seem to want to invent things to be angry about, including this double standard thing. I don't agree that 9/11 was an inside job, therefore I must somehow believe everything the government says about it. I'm not for torture, OR 9/11 truther killings, either. Or for the war, or for 9/11 truthers killings their fathers.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Troy has victimized many 911 truthers. How many of us has he called pretending he was one of us? Only to ask us what our biggest piece of evidence 9/11 was an Inside Job was? Then we're left stuttering. Looking stupid. Then he calls us paranooid fuckfaces. And he puts it on YouTube."

And then... get gets arrested for abusing his children. And then, he gets arrested for racially insulting a police office. And then, he gets arrested for stalking a woman with insane relationship fantasies. And then, he does time in jail. And then, his ugly mugshot is posted online for us to laugh at. And then, he lives in his mom's basement. And then, he sees a therapist and is prescribed medication for "Intermittent Explosive Disorder". And then.. he comes back to this blog to spout his insane emetic rants, against the urgent advice of his doctor. And then... well you get the picture. If you've got half a brain.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:13, Blogger Billman said...

So Anonymous, you're saying that 9/11 truthers killing their fathers, shooting up museums, and train stations is OK because you assume and allege the war on terror is illegal and mass killings must be taking place because you don't agree with it?

Hell, even the government you're trying to villify agrees with you that torture is wrong, or they wouldn't have tried to prosecute the Bush administration for it.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So what are you afraid of, Glenn?"

I'm afraid you'll end up like Troy, paranoid, delusional, alone and a menace to society. Judging from your obsession with this 'Glenn' and Troy's obsession with 'Willy', I think you are half-way there. You and Troy share many traits, which is why you get along so well.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:16, Blogger Billman said...

Yes, Anonymous. Troy is an asshole. We get it. He doesn't represent everyone here. Nor do his actions make any of the truther's actions somehow OK, as you are implying.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So Anonymous, you're saying that 9/11 truthers killing their fathers, shooting up museums, and train stations is OK because you assume and allege the war on terror is illegal and mass killings must be taking place because you don't agree with it?"

I'm saying you are blowing whatever violent 'truthers' you come across out of proportion, while you are grossly understating the gigantic amount of bloodshed directly originating from the official 9/11 conspiracy theory.

"Hell, even the government you're trying to villify agrees with you that torture is wrong, or they wouldn't have tried to prosecute the Bush administration for it."

Hahahaha. 'Trying' isn't going to cut it, apologist. Besides, not even that really happened. Whatever 'trying' was going on, even that was insignificant compared to the wherewithal of the Justice Department.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:21, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

I got arrested for saying the word nigger?

Damn!! We do live in a Police State after all.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:22, Blogger Billman said...

I'm not saying trying cuts it either. But not everyone in the government is evil simply because they work in the government.

And talk about double standards.. you're overblowing everything Troy has done.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyways, enough of this vomit inducing fascist gaggle.

You pussies should get together for a muff diving party.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 22 April, 2010 11:27, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

"Anyways, enough of this vomit inducing fascist gaggle.

You pussies should get together for a muff diving party."


Okay and buh-bye.

Dont go outside. The chemtrails are everywhere today.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:29, Blogger Billman said...

Alright, Anonymous. See you next thread.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:31, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Hey, if we're going to be talking about 9/11 truth and child molesters, we should be talking the 9/11 truther who murdered a security guard at the US National Holocaust Museum last year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31433631/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Funny that a 9/11 truther thinks jerking off to pictures of little boys is just as important as jerking off on the graves of 9/11 and Holocaust victims isn't it?

Lovely movement you've built up for yourselves. =P

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Glenn continues to confirm my "avoid the substance of GuitarBill's argument" hypothesis, and prevaricates, "...I'm afraid you'll end up like Troy, paranoid, delusional, alone and a menace to society. Judging from your obsession with this 'Glenn' and Troy's obsession with 'Willy', I think you are half-way there. You and Troy share many traits, which is why you get along so well."

Thanks, Glenn. I'm truly touched by your feigned concern for me and my wellbeing.

Really!

That said, would you take a moment to answer my question? Or should I append another question that you refuse to answer to my list? Just asking...

Let's try again:

"...No sane scientist or engineer will dispute the need for access to Jones' 'dust samples'. After all, how can the conclusions reached by Drs Jones, Harrit, et al, be confirmed?...Right, Glenn?...Right?...So, I'll ask you again: Where are the 'dust samples?'"

So, what's the problem, Glenn?

After all, I'm just asking questions.

(Edited).

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:33, Blogger Billman said...

Sometimes I wish we could see the comments that get deleted, because considering what is usually said here, what on earth could be so bad that it causes Pat and James to remove it?

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:34, Anonymous troyfromwestvirginia said...

Billman said...
Yes, Anonymous. Troy is an asshole


Ding ding ding!!

We have a winner.

That is exactly why I went to jail.

screw your wife, screw your kids, youre an asshole, you disrespected the system, you didnt seem apaologetic enough, we don't like you.... off to jail you go.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat and James are innocent, Billman. I deleted the comment.

 
At 22 April, 2010 11:44, Blogger Billman said...

Oh I see. Removed by AUTHOR, not Administrator. My bad.

 
At 22 April, 2010 12:06, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Billman,please get your facts straight.I never talked about "beating people up".That's your whiny interpretation.I talked about kicking your dumb asses up and down the internet,or Broadway or wherever.What's a metaphor you anyway(Sorry,Chico!)? I did,however invite Sackdoily to the Yankee playoff game that I had some tickets to and received a very rude blowoff.You don't hear me whining about that,do you?!Can't we all just get along?

 
At 22 April, 2010 13:29, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
I just think Larry Silverstein should be brought to testify publicly and under oath because he "was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building.""

No he wasn't.

Stop lying.

 
At 22 April, 2010 13:30, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Shouldn't you guys be the ones to prove to me that it's impossible to rig a building for Controlled Demolition within a couple of hours based on Silverstein's phone call to his insurance company?"

It's YOUR insane "theopry".

You prove it.

 
At 22 April, 2010 13:33, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"state worshiper"

LAther.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 
At 22 April, 2010 14:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

> It is illegal to have explosive material in WTC dust in the first place, so who cares with the intent was with it? They shouldn't have brought that stuff into the WTC.

I don't think it was illegal to have aluminum and iron rust within the WTC prior to 911, since they were part of the original structure. All that is really asserted in the Bentham paper is that aluminum and iron rust were found after the collapses in a highly powdered state, apparently mixed together in a way which may have formed nanothermite. If there's an inside-job case to be made from this, the truthers are going to have to go a lot further.

 
At 22 April, 2010 15:06, Blogger Billman said...

Heh, well thanks for making that "clear" Arhoolie. Sorry you were snubbed.

 
At 22 April, 2010 15:11, Anonymous Marc said...

Larry Silverstein is a Jew, so obviously he is a suspect. He must have been on the phone with his Jewish insurance compnay and then they sent their team of Super-Jew demolition team into WTC-7 and brought it down within a few hours, afeat that usually takes months.

Am I doing to the post-modern anti-semitism thing right or do I need to be more subtle?

 
At 22 April, 2010 15:29, Blogger Billman said...

You need to be more 2 days ago when it was Hitler's birthday, and then you'd be perfect.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:43, Blogger Bill said...

ROFL!

so him calling the insurance company to OK a CD because the building may collapse is somehow evidence that he planned on doing it within hours?

yet another astounding example of how reality differs between here and trutherland.

the big problems:

1. no evidence he said that day.

2. find someone who would go into 7 to do it.

3. find someone who could plan, assemble the materials and personnel, and carry it out in a few hours.

4. find someone with access to super duper-shut up bitch go fix me turkey pot pie-nanothermite.

5. find someone who has the yet unestablished super silent hush-hush explosives.

not to mention this is all based on the best of all forms of truther evidence...hearsay.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:38, Blogger Billman said...

Yes well, Bill, that now makes you a "vomit inducing fascist," and a "state worshiper" who seems "to want to forget the illegal war, mass murder, kidnappings, torture and general evisceration of civil rights in the name of the "Global War On Terror""

Which is a completely rational line of thinking, I might add.

 
At 24 April, 2010 11:14, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poppycock! Troy the Zany Gorilla hasn't "victimized" anyone in the 9/11 skeptics crowd.We're glad he engages.Since it's emerged that he's a racist pile of Budweiser cans he is fair game in the Insult Festival that is the Debunker Cult and it's outreach program.Let's give it a rest,however.After all he's only human.

 

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