Saturday, May 01, 2010

Has It Really Been Four Years?

It seems like only yesterday in some ways; in others it seems like a decade. Some random observations:

1. Traffic is increasing again at 9-11 Blogger. Year over year, they're up 40% from 2009's levels, and that's not some flukey month; it was up 45% in January, 37% in February and 40% in March. That's still about 27% below 2007, but there's really no way to paint a smiley face on this. Any hope that the Troofers would move on to other things in the wake of Obama's election is out the window.

2. Nothing ever gets debunked permanently with these people. Put options and "eight of the hijackers are still alive" will be prominently featured in David Ray Griffin's 2015 lectures.

3. There is a conspiracy theory industry. Alex Jones, Grifter and Box Boy Gage are the current beneficiaries, but inevitably somebody else will come along to make a buck off the rubes.

4. Everything can be explained as part of the conspiracy. If tomorrow, God forbid, Obama is assassinated, the Troofers will incorporate that into their theories. He was getting too close to the "Truth" and so "they" had to get rid of him. Never mind that he was supposedly the tool of the elites; their opinion of him can pivot on a dime. I'm sure that somebody right now is working the oil spill into their conspiracy theories.

86 Comments:

At 01 May, 2010 11:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Obama ever gets assassinated it will be because of right-wing extremists like you and James. It will your fault, and the fault of the teabagging, gun toting hicks that hate the fact a black man took office and they have to call him "mr. president".

However, on the other hand, it simply can't be compared to Kennedy, because Obama, in an ideological sense, is "neocon lite".

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:05, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Anonymous, thank you for proving the point.

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What point would that be, simpleton from Dimwit Valley, that you see conspiracy theorists everywhere? That would make you paranoid and delusional, now wouldn't it?

Bill Clinton talked about the climate of right-wing hatred. One of the most recent hicks arrested for scoping out Obama at an airport in a fake police car with sirens, radio equipment, a notebook of sniper rifle calculations, was another right wing extremist.

Fact: if Obama gets assassinated, it's the fault of you violence inciting gun toting, brickheaded inbred redneck teahadists.

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:18, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Is Paddy on mood enhancers or what? I dig the familiar whine:"these people never give up".Sounds like Col.Kilgore.Just throw in the towel,DogBoy,and get back to a real,organic life instead of your wacky obsessive endeavor.That you do for nothing!!

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No way! You're all wrong, because The Conspiracy Theorists Did 9/11!!!

%^)

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anybody really expect the troofers to give up after Obama's election? Since when do elections cure mental disorders?

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:45, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

It's amazing these idiots still think JFK was killed as part of a big CIA plot. He was killed because he was going to expose the truth about Roswell and all those alien bodies we have frozen. Seriously that is what some of the stooges think. They will never say as much in front of us, but they deep down believe every loony idea that get sold to them. Lack of a good baloney detector.

It's all part of the weak mental state that many people have. Lack of ability to think in a critical, skeptical manner. Believing something is easier than knowing something based on education and rational thinking.

We live in a world where magical thinking abounds. Astrology, and fortune tellers sell their bogus claims on TV and books. They believe Toyota's race away by magic and not driver error. Lights in the sky become joy riding little gray men. Free energy is sold to the scientific illiterate along with anti vaccination fears. Earthquakes and volcanos are caused by too much female cleavage. There are actually people out there that believe this shit along with 9/11 inside jobs. And of course the types that would buy the inside job scam are exactly the pin heads that would buy all the other hoax's. Scratch a truther and find a chemtrail kook or fake Moon landing idiot, or JFK goofball.

It's kind of good these kooks are so vocal, not only for the comedic entertainment, but because it give you insight as to the quality of the person. Truthers and other conspiracy minded people are not exactly going to be the people you hire and give responsibility to. Oh sure let them handle the grunt jobs where making critical decisions are not important, but you don't want them selling out the companies assets because they got suckered by a con man.

 
At 01 May, 2010 12:57, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Anonymous, You are in the same league as tea baggers, only on the other side. Same lowlife mentality.

A crude inbred hillbilly is the same if from down south or San Francisco. Same if they live in moms basement or a trailer park. Truther and teabagger, different side of the same piece of shit.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:01, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

I will say this for truthers, they do have better signs than teabaggers. And better taste in music. You still have to be very low on the gene pool to join either one.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:08, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

I will make a prediction right now.

If Obama is assassinated, Teabagger will make it out to be a plot by the liberal left. The left will make it out to be a plot from the CIA, FBI, NWO whatever.

If it happens. Logic tells you it will be like JFK, a lone nut in the right place at the right time. But conspiracies sell more books. And Oliver Stone will make a movie. A dedicated group of the gullible will buy the conspiracy theorist hype.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why thanks Dave Kyte.

Now, about JFK, there is no way a gun splattering a brain from the back is going to throw a head to the back.

Not because of "muscle spasm", and not because of any back supporting corset. Period.

By this simple logical exercise, JFK was murdered in a conspiracy.

There are mountains of other evidence, but frankly, I don't feel like making the case to a pathologically denialist kook who thinks everybody who understands history better than he does is mentally ill. You should have worked on Stalin's anti-dissident team, you'd have fit right in.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:37, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Now, about JFK, there is no way a gun splattering a brain from the back is going to throw a head to the back.

It happen every time you hit a brain filled head with a high powered bluet from behind. Bullet leaves a small hole going in. The explosion brain and skull material from the exit wound in the front drives the head backwards. Been test and proven over an over using animal heads. But then you are not very well informed, are you?

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:42, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

There are mountains of other evidence, but frankly, I don't feel like making the case to a pathologically denialist kook who thinks everybody who understands history better than he does is mentally ill."

No. You are not ill, Just inferior in intelligence and critical thinking skills. If you were informed you would have known about the ballistic test done with goat heads that show, a bullet from the back drives the head towards the direction of the shot.

See Schools you once again.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:44, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

So Anonymous, Tells use about those alien bodies from Roswell.

Come on, don't be a coward, you know you believe in that shit too. You can't help it, lack of thinking ability makes it so.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, about JFK, there is no way a gun splattering a brain from the back is going to throw a head to the back.

False logic. You're assuming the bullet was the only force acting on JFK. The limo was also moving forward and that causes a limp body to fall backwards. Or do you think that JFK's body Suspended The Laws Of Physics?

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:53, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Anonymous, Be proud of your ample inborn stupidity, it's what make you see the "Truth" far better than all us smarter than you.

Too much knowledge in thinks like science and logic just gets in the way of realizing the veracity of all those things the conspiracy theorist are telling us. We just think too much.

We need guys like you to see the "simplistic" reality of the grand plot to enslave us by the powers that be.

 
At 01 May, 2010 13:55, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Or do you think that JFK's body Suspended The Laws Of Physics?

Yeah. And it flew backward at the rate of free fall too.

 
At 01 May, 2010 14:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No. You are not ill, Just inferior in intelligence and critical thinking skills. If you were informed you would have known about the ballistic test done with goat heads that show, a bullet from the back drives the head towards the direction of the shot."

Show me that experiment. Link me. Right now.

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:02, Blogger Billman said...

Cindy Sheenan is a media whore.

/trolling

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video images of goat heads moving in the direction of the entry wound, due to "jet effect" or "neuromuscular reflexes".

Now please.

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99b_1175137988

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:24, Blogger Billman said...

http://www.whogivesafuck.com/troofersareretardswhowillbelieveanythingespeciallyanonymousscumbags/derrrrrrr.html

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you swallow another bowl of Kryponite this morning, anti-hero?

Or shouldn't you be busy calling 9/11 family members "whores" some more?

After all, that's a really mentally healthy thing to do, on par with giving your kid a black eye, and then bragging about it, like Troy Sexton did on here recently.

Of course, he and GuitarBill and Troy remain friends, since filth attracts more filth.

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:35, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lil Bill, dont you ever get a day off?

 
At 01 May, 2010 15:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...media whores"?

Hmmm...let's see...

Chris Matthews

Katie Couric

Bill O'Reilly

Rush Limbaugh

Sean Hannity

Ann "the man" Coulter

Glenn Beck


Now, we're talkin' media whores.

%^)

 
At 01 May, 2010 17:16, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...


Or shouldn't you be busy calling 9/11 family members "whores" some more?


Bob Mcilvane is a vulture feeding off his sons remains.

Howzzat?

 
At 01 May, 2010 18:04, Blogger ConsDemo said...

it simply can't be compared to Kennedy, because Obama, in an ideological sense, is "neocon lite".

Jeez, you guys are full of shit. Kennedy was far more in favor of American military projection then Obama. You shameless liars are just trying to incorporate his death into your cause for ideological convenience, just as you claim the US attacked itself on 9/11. Facts mean nothing to you, everything is dictated by your warped world view.

Yes, it is unfortunate that twooferism has made a rebound. However, I never really expected it to die although I don't expect it to ever amount to anything significant either. The most twooferism will ever accomplish is producing another Tim McVeigh who will commit murder (perhaps on a large scale). Will they ever convince most people the evil US killed its own on 9/11? No.

 
At 01 May, 2010 18:36, Blogger angrysoba said...

Any hope that the Troofers would move on to other things in the wake of Obama's election is out the window.


There is absolutely nothing that will convince hard-wired Truthers that they are wrong. That is just one reason why, despite their protests to the contrary, they are NOT scientific. They cannot even give an example of what would falsify their beliefs. In their world, anything that is evidence against their beliefs can be manipulated to make it for their beliefs. But also, 9/11 Truth is a way in which they make sense of the world. If you took it away then they would be completely lost.

People’s embrace of conspiracy theories is often driven by a sense of incomprehension towards the workings of the world.

Why facts won’t demolish the conspiracy theories

 
At 01 May, 2010 18:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Kennedy was far more in favor of American military projection then Obama."

Bullshit.

 
At 01 May, 2010 18:52, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Bullshit.

Great response, asswipe! You America-hating loons have tried to claim JFK was some closet pacifist simply for ideological convenience. Because he was killed you want to blame it on the "military industrial complex" or whatever, but you ignore all the man's actions when he lived. Remember "the missile gap", "defend any friend, fight any foe", the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile crisis, the troop buildup in Vietnam, just name a few? You dumbasses wouldn't know a fact if it bit you are in your sorry fat ass.

 
At 01 May, 2010 18:56, Blogger angrysoba said...

The JFK loons have to simply make up absurd things about Kennedy to rescue their already absurd theories. Essentially, JFK was just about to completely change all his policies and become like all pacifist and stuff and make everyone sing kum-ba-ya.

Of course, this is asserted on NO EVIDENCE at all. But since when did that matter?

 
At 01 May, 2010 19:17, Blogger hauptcouture2009 said...

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At 01 May, 2010 19:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh you fucking screwballs. Come'on, I'm not going to debate NSAM 263 with you.

I guess I expected a certain base level of integrity. I forget, SLC is a obscure collection of pathologically lying, honorless, assclowns, unencumbered with any sort of "sincerity" to govern their antics.

But by all means, try to paint Obama as a dove and Kennedy as a hawk. There are no new lows to which you will not stoop.

 
At 01 May, 2010 19:18, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"Show me that experiment. Link me. Right now."

Easy, Just look at you and then look at me.

And just look at the rest of the truther rank and file. WOW! What a group of losers.

 
At 01 May, 2010 19:23, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"Video images of goat heads moving in the direction of the entry wound, due to "jet effect" or "neuromuscular reflexes".

Now please."

That does not make the fact it happens go away.

I know you are annoyed I punked you once again on a mater of fact. But that is how it is with you, you will always get bettered by us debunkers because of your cognitive deficit.

 
At 01 May, 2010 20:58, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Anonymous said...But by all means, try to paint Obama as a dove and Kennedy as a hawk.

Typical twoofer horseshit. I listed all the reasons JFK was was a relative hawk and your response was....nothing, of course. Sorry, wanting to believe something doesn't make it so!

Obama is playing the hand he was dealt, of course to an America-hating fanatic such as yourself, that means nothing.

 
At 01 May, 2010 23:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That does not make the fact it happens go away.

I know you are annoyed I punked you once again on a mater of fact. But that is how it is with you, you will always get bettered by us debunkers because of your cognitive deficit."

I don't see a link to a video in there, do you?

What you don't understand, brain economist, is that I am always two steps ahead of you.

Whenever you're ready, I'd like to see that goat's head move towards the bullet's entry point, genius.

You're not going to produce it.

 
At 01 May, 2010 23:05, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...I don't see a link to a video in there, do you?...You're not going to produce it."

As a matter of fact, I saw an episode of Penn & Teller's Bullshit on the same subject. So yes, as I recall, the video is available on Google Video.

 
At 01 May, 2010 23:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Typical twoofer horseshit. I listed all the reasons JFK was was a relative hawk and your response was....nothing, of course. Sorry, wanting to believe something doesn't make it so!"

In your dreams, dweeb. You're going to lose every time. Why don't you cut your losses.

"In the fall of 1961, unknown to the American public, John F. Kennedy was weighing a crucial decision about Vietnam not unlike that which George W. Bush faced about Iraq in early 2002--whether to go to war. It was the height of the cold war, when Communism was the "terrorist threat," and Ho Chi Minh the era's Saddam Hussein to many in Washington. But the new President was a liberal Massachusetts Democrat (and a decorated war veteran), not a conservative Sunbelt Republican who claimed God's hand guided his foreign policy. JFK's tough-minded instincts about war were thus very different. Contrary to what many have come to believe about the Vietnam War's origins, new research shows that Kennedy wanted no war in Asia and had clear criteria for conditions under which he'd send Americans abroad to fight and die for their country--criteria quite relevant today. "

The Nation

Speaking of horses, you can lead one to water...

You don't stand a chance, Beggarly Brainfart. Go play revisionist at your local library hobby club.

 
At 01 May, 2010 23:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Penn and Teller? Fucking magicians, Billshitter™? Your source is a bunch of blowhard, amped up, testosterone dripping magicians? You can't be serious.

For fucks sake you guys suck. I don't think this blog is worth anybody's time anymore. What a parade of pansies. There's more potential in a brick held a foot above the ground.

 
At 01 May, 2010 23:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's interesting--have you seen the P&T video?

If yes, given the expert testimony found therein, would you care to provide evidence to refute that expert testimony? (Parenthetically, as I recall, Gerald Posner's Case Closed relied on the same expert testimony, etc).

If no, you're a biased gasbag.

So which is it, gasbag?

I'll await your 100% fact-free non-response.

%^)

 
At 02 May, 2010 00:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, that's a problem, isn't it, you just promoted the research of two men who specially in optical deceit. And you haven't even linked me yet, fatso.

 
At 02 May, 2010 00:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

men who specialize*

 
At 02 May, 2010 00:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, Anonymous the perpetual prevaricator, just pretend that I never mentioned that the video is based on expert testimony and painstaking reenactments of the assassination.

That said, if you wish to view the video, point your web browser at Google Video and search away. Or are you still working on that search engine thing? Make no mistake, conspiranoid, I'll not waste a minute of my time searching for a video that you likely never watch.

Fuck you!

 
At 02 May, 2010 00:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I'm not going to waste any time on sources you're not going to produce directly. Just who the fuck do you think you are, you loquacious guitar playing hobo?

Tssss. You're a real howler, you know that?

 
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At 02 May, 2010 01:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

[GuitarBill shakes his head in amazement].

Who are you to lecture anyone on the integrity of a source?

After all, how many times have I caught you misrepresenting your sources?

Do you read and retain the bilge you scribble, Anonymous? Or are you suffering from senile dementia?

And remember, I'm just asking questions...

 
At 02 May, 2010 01:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, you're asking questions because you're clueless.

Sometimes, I have to admit it's gut wrenching to see you engage again, after so many successive defeats, where even your own supposed SLC homies threw you under the bus.

Face it, American Midol, you're way past your Waterloo and it's like looking at yesterday's cat food.

 
At 02 May, 2010 02:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous prevaricates, "...Sometimes, I have to admit it's gut wrenching to see you engage again, after so many successive defeats, where even your own supposed SLC homies threw you under the bus."

Thanks for proving that you're delusional and a habitual liar.

And don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, quote miner.

Are there any more sources you'd like to misrepresent, Mister Intellectual Honesty?

 
At 02 May, 2010 05:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
If Obama ever gets assassinated it will be because of right-wing extremists like you and James"

Predidential assasins are always reactionary leftists. Hell, Lee Harvey Oswald was an out and out communist. Which really fucks up the leftist narrative.

"It will your fault, and the fault of the teabagging, gun toting hicks that hate the fact a black man took office and they have to call him "mr. president"."

I think someone just hijacked the New York Times Talking Point department.

Oh, and I respect the office enough to actually capitalize "Mr. President", you illiterate chimp.

 
At 02 May, 2010 05:13, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Bill Clinton talked about the climate of right-wing hatred."

Bill Clinton was moving his mouth.

AKA lying.

 
At 02 May, 2010 05:38, Blogger ConsDemo said...

shows that Kennedy wanted no war in Asia

Contrary to your anti-American delusions, most Presidents don't relish sending troops off to fight, so that statement may well be true. However, the fact of the matter is the US troop strength in Vietnam grew throughout his time in office.

I'm sure Kennedy didn't want war, I'm sure Obama would love to be out of Iraq and Afghanistan, there is this little problem of a islamic terrorist threat that you dumbfucks want to pretend doesn't exist.


Speaking of horses, you can lead one to water...

Exactly, so start drinking. Oh, wait you're a conspiracy theorist, so facts don't matter.

 
At 02 May, 2010 06:17, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"The Nation

Speaking of horses, you can lead one to water..."

Speaking of retarded elbow lickers, anonymouse quotes the Nation, as lunatic a collection of obsolete reactionary stalinists as can be found not hiding under a rock, and actually expects to be take seriously.

Nice thumbnail description of the Nation:

The oldest and most leftwing of all popular American weekly magazines

Supported the Russian Revolution and was first U.S. magazine to publish the Soviet Constitution

Opposed America's Cold War policies after World War II and generally supported the Communist bloc

Yeah, we're gonna take "The Nations" seriously.

Not.

 
At 02 May, 2010 08:58, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

I don't see a link to a video in there, do you?

I could take the time to find them and link them. But because unlike you I am a productive member of the world and so MY time is more valuable than yours.

Well because you are not that bright I will help you out. Here is a high tech recreation of the JFK head shot
Shot came from Oswald

Took me all of five minutes.

 
At 02 May, 2010 09:01, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"For fucks sake you guys suck. I don't think this blog is worth anybody's time anymore."

PLEASE DON'T LEAVE! We need fools like you to pick on. Screwing with the retarded is fun.

 
At 02 May, 2010 09:15, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Ballistics & Forensic Experts on the JFK Head Shot

Q. What is your opinion, based upon the expertise that you have acquired in these 18 years at the Edgewood Arsenal in wound ballistics, with respect to the question of the direction from which the bullet came that struck the President in the head?

A. Well, the President in 313, the head appears to have moved slightly forward from the previous frame. Now, I say appears, because unless you measured this precisely you don't know. But it appears to have moved slightly.

And this would not be inconsistent with the momentum of the bullet being transferred to the head. Whereas I said a bullet cannot knock a person down or move a body in any violent way, it could conceivably move the head a little bit. We fired at human skulls filled with gelatin sitting on the table, and they would roll off the table. And this apparent side movement of the head is in the correct direction if the bullet came from the book depository.

Q. That is, from the rear of the President?

A. From the rear of the President.

Q. Now, then, what can you tell us with respect to the subsequent action of the President's head and body after that initial apparent slight movement forward?

A. There could be two reasons for it. One reason, there is a jet of blood and brain material from the head, some bone seemed to fly up in the air, but the bulk of it appears to fly forward and maybe slightly to the right. This gives an indication that that is possibly in the direction that the bullet exited from the skull.

 
At 02 May, 2010 09:17, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Anonymous, you are a fool, and will always be a fool.

 
At 02 May, 2010 17:26, Anonymous paul w said...

Every sane person knows truthers have problems.

Mostly with irony...the idiots at 911oz decided 'chemtrails' are nonsense.

Why? Check this out:

"We also note that those who promote the chemtrail theory have been unable to get any experts on side with their ideas, and they also fail to produce evidence (other than photos of contrails) to support their claims. We note that measuring the amount of barium in a water supply tells is nothing about where that barium came from, and the use of such measurements as evidence is scientifically worthless.

If you disagree with our findings please present your evidence in a rational, scientific manner and we will give it our attention!"

Beyond parody.

 
At 02 May, 2010 20:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave Kyte, you steaming pile of horseshit, don't you understand that I realized you were going to cite the Rockefeller Commission the minute you started yammering about goat heads. Didn't I warn you that I'm always two steps ahead of you?

Isn't obvious that you're scared to name the expert you are citing above? His name is Alfred G. Olivier.

Here's why you don't tell us his name, and hope nobody clicks the source:

"Since it was a former Warren Commissioner, President Ford, who had nominated Nelson Rockefeller to head the commission and who had also suggested David Belin be executive director, a Warren-friendly outcome was not entirely unexpected. Such an outcome was further assurred when Warren Commission consultant Alfred Olivier was nominated and when forensic experts with ties to previous investigations were picked. As previously noted, Rockefeller’s, and perhaps Ford’s, preference for reliable appointees was apparently not restricted to those selected to investigate JFK’s murder. In their authoritative 1995 book about Nelson Rockefeller, Thy Will Be Done, authors Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett suggest that the fix was put in the moment President Ford named Rockefeller to head the investigation of the CIA."

history-matters.com

And the Youtube video you linked is hilarious: it's strikingly similar in approach to "Beyond Conspiracy", a documentary I've seen years ago. They also tested the magic bullet theory with a similar setup. To my supreme amusement, they proved themselves wrong. I won't get into that now, but as for the head shot, it's from "JFK: Inside the Target Car".

Does it look anything like the Terminator-like skull splitter that happened to JFK? No. Does the head move backward and to the left? No. Hint: that's because they fixed the dummy head onto the neck so it wouldn't be able to move. In my next comment, I'll paste a Q&A with Gary Mack, WC apologist-in-chief together with Vincent Bugliosi. It's hilarious.

 
At 02 May, 2010 20:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Emphasis by Anonymous, comments between brackets)

Gary Mack Answers Blog Comments

November 21, 2008

Gary Mack, curator at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, was asked by the producers to oversee the production and content of the Discovery Channel show, "JFK: Inside the Target Car." We asked for his personal comments about the program and answers to some of the
questions following the premier broadcast. For brevity, the questions
have been reworded.

Q: Why didn’t your test include Kennedy being knocked back and to the
left as seen in the film?


A: That movement, which is so obvious in the Zapruder film, was a separate response. We only tested the initial effect of the bullet striking the skull and where the blood spatter went. For test-to-test consistency, it was important to have the heads mounted in the exact same position each time, so we mounted them on a rigid platform.

Q: I noticed that Jackie Kennedy was not in the right position with
regard to Kennedy in your Dealey Plaza test.


A: She wasn’t and we didn’t catch it at the time. At the moment of the
fatal shot, Jackie’s head was in front of JFK, whereas our actor’s head was behind him. However, that error had no bearing on the purpose of the recreation in Dallas. The only actor who needed to be seated correctly was JFK, and he was perfectly placed. After all, we were only trying to show whether or not a sharpshooter could see his target -- Kennedy -- from the various locations.

Q: You said you had four target skulls, but I only saw three of them being shot. What happened to the missing target?

A: The “cutting room floor,” as they say, removed for time and clarity
by Discovery. Their decision was reasonable, as there wasn’t enough
time to include everything. The show’s producers and I very much wanted the scene to be shown; for that reason, it will be included in the DVD release of the show. But you can also see it below, as posted to YouTube or you click the hyperlink to see it on the Discovery Channel News site. For that shot, fired from behind, Michael missed
the spot on the skull slightly, resulting in damage on the right side
of the skull. Nevertheless, the blood spray pattern was very similar to the second attempt from our Depository window.

The fourth target skull didn't show up in the televised show. But you
can see it here: (removed)

Want even more video? Click here: (removed)

Q: So what happened to the bullets you fired? Were they examined after
the shots?


A: Michael Yardley fired four times, but only one bullet was
recovered.
One bullet, of course, fragmented as it was designed to do.
Two of the other three were never found. The two bullets fired from
behind went through the target and continued through the mock limousine and struck the ground. One went off down the gun range and the other lodged under the tire of the wind machine. It was significantly deformed, but that could have happened when it struck
the ground first.

 
At 02 May, 2010 20:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q: So the bullets that hit the head did not fragment like Oswald’s did?

A: No, and that was quite a surprise. [ LOL!! ] Carcano bullets are military, metal jacketed bullets designed not to fragment upon impact. Oswald’s did, but ours did not. We do not know why that happened.

Q: Why did you choose such odd colors for the brain interior?

A: We did not want to use red, since that would have been rather gross to watch. And we couldn’t use a clear liquid since that wouldn’t show up on camera. For best visibility on television, we used bold colors that were easy to see. The HD version of the show has clearer images than the regular TV version.

Q: Why did you use a Mannlicher Carcano rifle for the grassy knoll shot? Wouldn’t a gunman there use something smaller or less noisy?

A: As mentioned by our narrator, we could have used almost anything, since we were dealing with a hypothetical situation. We decided on an identical rifle to Oswald’s because, if he had been framed for the assassination (Oswald claimed he was “a patsy”), it seems likely that another gunman would use the same ammunition. If a different weapon were used, investigators would find that evidence and conclude there were two guns. A conspiracy to frame Oswald would want investigators to think there was only one gun.

Q: How do you really know the wind was blowing straight at the car? I know you referenced the weather bureau data, but maybe the wind gusts came at an angle?

A: A home movie by Marie Muchmore, taken from the other side of the street from Zapruder, shows the moment of the fatal head shot. Eyewitness Jean Hill appears near the limousine and her coat is blown directly to her right, thus indicating the precise direction of the wind at that moment in time.

[ WOW, I guess that justifies placing the equivalent of a hoovercraft in front of the limo, LOL ]

Q: I noticed that your depository shot severely damaged the top right of the target skull, but that’s not what happened to Kennedy. Why the difference? [ ROFLMAO ]

A: Although our test shot struck very, very close to the actual bullet entry hole, no such test can be absolutely exact. What’s more important is the effect of the bullet and whether or not the blood spatter matches the film of the actual shooting or not.

[ Yet, in the TDC documentary, they admit that the car was (illegally) cleaned prior to being photographed or investigated, and yet that photograph clearly contradicts Gary Mack & TDC! ]

Q: Why did you ignore the "magic bullet theory" that Kennedy and Connally were both wounded by one bullet?

A: We tackled that theory in the third of four Unsolved History programs for the Discovery Channel. In that program, Beyond the Magic Bullet, the producers concluded that the "magic bullet" was possible, though the results may not have been as conclusive as the test in "JFK: Inside the Target Car."

[ ROFLMAO!!! How promising! ]

Best regards,

Gary Mack

 
At 02 May, 2010 20:28, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now about them placing Jackie Kennedy in the right place, that's very important, because in the documentary they falsely claim that a shot from the Grassy Knoll would have hit Jackie Kennedy.

These are the people that you stake your claim on, Dave Shyte? You're gullible, lazy, and foolhardy, like the rest of your state worshiping club.

 
At 03 May, 2010 02:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Great response, asswipe! You America-hating loons "

Right-wing nuts are so funny off their meds.

 
At 03 May, 2010 02:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous: when they explode into the de rigeur platitudes about real Americans, anti-American, that simply means you're poking the stick into the wingnut's sensitive spots.

They're going to howl.

The amount of evidence of a Kennedy conspiracy continues to grow and the spread of documents and films is increasingly hard to stop. The gatekeepers and so-called "skeptics" are foaming at the mouth and panicking. They are starting to realize that pure "skepticism" has absolutely nothing to do with adopting the government position in all discussion.(They were never skeptics anyway, but Hegelian wingnuts posing as such)

 
At 03 May, 2010 05:03, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'"Kennedy was far more in favor of American military projection then Obama."

Bullshit.'

Google 'Bay of Pigs' and 'Flexible Response'. Familiarise yourself with the buildup of the US military presence in Vietnam (900 'advisors' in 1960 to 15,000 in 1963). Then pull your head out of your arse.

 
At 03 May, 2010 06:52, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Could the lunatic twooooofers™ and Kennedy conspiracy nuts be driven crazy becasue the assasin Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist?

 
At 03 May, 2010 11:23, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Moves to abolish the Fed,intentions to remake the CIA,beholden to no one except Joe P.,refusal to carry out Northwoods,JFK rankled and fought with the big money boys and Ike's Pentagon octopus.When the Joint Chiefs pressured him to send combat troops on a large scale to Vietnam he said:"as soon as you can convince Doug MacArthur that sending troops into a jungle environment in Asia is a good idea,I'm with you".Of course you know General MacArthur's position on that one,right PornBoy?

 
At 03 May, 2010 12:39, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie said...
Moves to abolish the Fed,intentions to remake the CIA,beholden to no one except Joe P.,refusal to carry out Northwoods,JFK rankled and fought with the big money boys and Ike's Pentagon octopus.When the Joint Chiefs pressured him to send combat troops on a large scale to Vietnam he said:"as soon as you can convince Doug MacArthur that sending troops into a jungle environment in Asia is a good idea,I'm with you".Of course you know General MacArthur's position on that one,right PornBoy?"

Can someone translate this pile of incomprehensible garbage into Enlish?

Thanks in advance.

 
At 03 May, 2010 12:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Can someone translate this pile of incomprehensible garbage into Enlish?

Thanks in advance."

Sure. In English it says: "Laz, you truckload of fucktard!"

 
At 03 May, 2010 15:46, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Isn't l'il ol' PornBoy so cute at this age?

 
At 03 May, 2010 17:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous wrote, "...Sure. In English it says: 'Laz, you truckload of fucktard!'"

That's strange, I could have swore it said: "Anonymous--you scat munching, one-balled abortion."

 
At 03 May, 2010 18:08, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh GuitarBill? "Anonymous" can be more than one person, cuz, they're like "Anonymous". FYI.

 
At 03 May, 2010 18:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Uh GuitarBill? "Anonymous" can be more than one person, cuz, they're like "Anonymous". FYI."

I wrote it. Ignore it. Misread what GB wrote. Thought he was arguing about an Anon and Anon post, not a Laz and Anon post. Peace.

 
At 04 May, 2010 03:04, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'"Arhoolie said...
Moves to abolish the Fed,intentions to remake the CIA,beholden to no one except Joe P.,refusal to carry out Northwoods,JFK rankled and fought with the big money boys and Ike's Pentagon octopus.When the Joint Chiefs pressured him to send combat troops on a large scale to Vietnam he said:"as soon as you can convince Doug MacArthur that sending troops into a jungle environment in Asia is a good idea,I'm with you".Of course you know General MacArthur's position on that one,right PornBoy?"

Can someone translate this pile of incomprehensible garbage into English?'

It means 'I'm a complete cretin and an O2 thief, and I gave up making sense at the same time I pretended to be an Iraq war veteran. My life completely sucks'.

 
At 04 May, 2010 11:26, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

It's fun kicking your asses and watching you flail so miserably.I'm digging it,baby!! Alternate universe timelines,willing away explosions,preparing term papers on activist haircuts and beards.Latching onto balsa wood as you sink to the bottom.The Debunker Cult:addled,hapless,feckless and,most of all,desperate screedy lunatics.And that's no fabrication!

 
At 04 May, 2010 22:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Debunker Cult:addled,hapless,feckless and,most of all,desperate screedy lunatics.And that's no fabrication!

Word up!

 
At 05 May, 2010 00:43, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'The Debunker Cult:addled,hapless,feckless and,most of all,desperate screedy lunatics.'

'screedy'? Never heard that one before. OK, let's check the Oxford English. Nope, not there.

Does anyone have a spastic's dictionary available?

'And that's no fabrication!'

Unlike your 36 month long combat tour with the Special Forces on OIF.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that Rigi was a CIA asset, BTW.

 
At 05 May, 2010 13:36, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poor,poor pitiful Professor SackofGarbage,his magic Wand of Discernment has been stuck up his iron butt for so long he thinks greasy bread tastes like a chocolate milkshake! As far as JFK,I agree with the Motor City Nutjob on the fact that Kennedy was shot from behind only.The second bullet exploded his head as it exited and the reason his head snapped back was a reflex action.This fact has been elaborated on by many doctors and the footage,when slowed down,clearly shows his head moving slightly forward as the second shot hits him,explodes out,and then he lurches backward and to the side into Jackie's lap.How this fact discounts a conspiracy is beyond me,though.It merely deals with the contention that shots came from the grassy knoll,and the evidence is inconclusive on that.To me,the clip on youtube.com of the Secret Service men being called off the rear bumpers (by a replacement for the usual Chief)as they left for downtown Dallas is very suspicious.It's called "Secret Service stand down".

 
At 05 May, 2010 15:38, Blogger Triterope said...

I just want to thank Pat and James for giving me four years of compelling reading about a fascinating subject. Cheers, lads.

 
At 05 May, 2010 16:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Triterope said...

I just want to thank Pat and James for giving me four years of dishonest reporting about a fascinating subject. Cheers, lads.

05 May, 2010 15:38


Fixed that for you.

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:06, Blogger Triterope said...

Jeezus, you really are an asshole. You can't even leave a simple thank-you note alone.

 
At 05 May, 2010 19:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Triterope said...

Jeezus, you really are an asshole. You can't even leave a simple thank-you note alone.


If you weren't being dishonest about this yellow journalism hit blog, I wouldn't have said anything. Or you approve of the yellow journalism tabloid trash here that passes for news. If that's the case, you deserve to be trolled.

 
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At 06 May, 2010 13:01, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Poor Trite the Dope,he can't just take a hike.He's got to get all special about it.Who cares,Dogboy? You're just whining 'cause you've been exposed as an arrogant Cult windbag who was toppled off his high horse long ago and left to lick your wounds.Good riddance Blowhard,you can't fool anyone!

 
At 06 May, 2010 16:48, Blogger Triterope said...

If that's the case, you deserve to be trolled.

Well, at least you acknowledge what you're doing.

 
At 07 May, 2010 09:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently Trite 'n Dopey has the veracity of a Reagan Administration spokesperson.We thought you were outta here Tiger!

 

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