Thursday, April 22, 2010

Grifter Responds

A group called the Institute for Religion and Democracy put out a press release noting that David Ray Griffin will once again be using church facilities to spread his conspiracy nonsense:

A professor from a United Methodist seminary who argued that the World Trade Center and Pentagon were actually attacked on September 11, 2001 by the Bush Administration is back with another outrageous book.

David Ray Griffin, author of “Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11”, is releasing a ninth book on the attacks, this time alleging that the Obama administration is attempting to undermine 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Griffin’s earlier work was published by Westminster John Knox Press, the official publishing house of the Presbyterian Church (USA), a move that sparked controversy in the denomination. Starting April 23, Griffin is also launching a 15-city lecture tour questioning the justification for the war in Afghanistan. The tour will feature stops at Presbyterian and United Methodist Churches, as well as schools such as Iowa’s Drake University.


Grifter has now responded. It's the usual crapola:

Already at that time, however, my 9/11 books had also been endorsed by professors of economics, history, philosophy, and international law, as well as by former members of the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations, including the CIA, and by a member of the British Parliament (as anyone can see by looking at the "editorial reviews" on Amazon.com). My more recent books have been endorsed by a member of the Japanese Senate, a former US governor, by 9/11 widows (including members of the "Jersey Girls," who were instrumental in getting the 9/11 Commission established), by engineers (including Jack Keller, who has been given special recognition by Scientific American), and by several natural scientists (one of whom was awarded the National Medal of Science24). Does IRD believe that such people endorse silly books?


I can't speak for the IRD, but I certainly believe that those people endorse silly books. Jesse Ventura is the "former US governor", and he's a total fruitcake. I assume that Fujita is the member of the Japanese Senate. The Washington Post recently described Fujita's beliefs as "too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion." The Jersey Girls? At least two of them (Lorie Van Auken and Patty Casazza) are crackpots, and I've got my suspicions about Mindy Kleinberg as well. Jack Keller? As usual with the academics among the troofers, his professorship is "Emeritus", and his engineering background? According to Patriots Question 9-11, he's an agricultural and irrigation engineer. Too bad the title "Waterboy" is already taken. The natural scientist is Lynn Margulis, an eminently silly woman.

Note as well, that Grifter tries to have it both ways. When somebody from the government opposes his theories, they're "from the government":

NIST's reports are no better. This is not surprising, because NIST is an agency of the Commerce Department.


But when they agree with him, suddenly this is evidence that he's credible:

Already at that time, however, my 9/11 books had also been endorsed by professors of economics, history, philosophy, and international law, as well as by former members of the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations...


Read it for yourself; it's the usual whining about how the government's own theory is a conspiracy theory, the planes should have been intercepted in ten minutes, Barbara Olsen's phone calls, etc.

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215 Comments:

At 22 April, 2010 14:50, Anonymous nwoisbunk said...

I seem to remember the 10 Commandments being part of the Christian tradition.

I'd DRG breaks the one about bearing false witness. Seriously, repent already DRG.

This blog has documented numerous demonstrable falsehoods DRG is still clinging too.

If there is indeed a God... I bet he/she/it thinks DRG is an asshole.

 
At 22 April, 2010 14:59, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

As a mormon, I've long believed that Steven Jones has betrayed several principle tenets of our faith.

As a christian in general, I believe the same applies to David Ray Griffin.

 
At 22 April, 2010 15:53, Anonymous mr tibbs said...

"If there is indeed a God... I bet he/she/it thinks DRG is an asshole."

Imagine an afterlife where God tells Griffin what all sane people already know, that his theories are crackpot. That would be funny, although he'd no doubt disbelieve the Almighty & continue whining about the military industrial complex and timeline discrepancies.

 
At 22 April, 2010 15:58, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Only the ludicrous Debunker Cult headed up by two of the silliest saps the internet has ever birthed and distinguished by some of the most idiotic nutcases commenting insanely,could go around calling eminent scientists and other solid citizens insulting names.You people are more than fucked up,you're insane.

 
At 22 April, 2010 16:35, Blogger Paul said...

eminent scientists and other solid citizens insulting names.

Arhoolie,

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Name one person who could be considered a solid citizen who is prominent in the Truth Movement.

Judy Wood?

James Fetzer?

Kevin Barrett?

Alex Jones?

Jeff Rense?

Solid citizens?

 
At 22 April, 2010 16:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

(n) citizen (a native or naturalized member of a state or other political community)

They`re citizens Paul.
Try again.

 
At 22 April, 2010 18:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sniff
smells liek katie lazo
wuz here

 
At 22 April, 2010 18:29, Anonymous Paul said...

They`re citizens Paul.
Try again.


Not upstanding citizens though. That was my point.

 
At 22 April, 2010 19:34, Blogger b. j. edwards said...

Most of us have known Griffin as one of the biggest frauds and charlatans of the the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Now with 9 conspiracy books under his belt about 9/11, he has earned the title of Most Successful Snake-oil Salesmen of the 21st Century.

What a despicable, immoral con-artist Griffin is.

 
At 22 April, 2010 21:21, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

"Successful" is a poor choice of words. I don't see DRG driving Porsches or Ferraris or moving into a bigger house (unlike Alex Jones).

DRG isn't good at lying. Just prolific.

 
At 23 April, 2010 01:37, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

I assume that the 'member of the British parliament' is Michael Meacher. At least he's stopped claiming he was a Cabinet Minister.

I can't think of a single academic historian who's endorsed 9/11 truth, except for Daniele Ganser, who is a lecturer (not a professor) at the University of Basel.

 
At 23 April, 2010 02:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem obsessed with Dr Griffin...

Lucky hes so indefatigable in his investigation of 9-11

Lets hope he can turn up info on he mysterious Eddy Shalev, the fellow who certified Hani Hanjour...

One more link in Israels involvement in 9-11

 
At 23 April, 2010 04:25, Anonymous nwoisbunk said...

One more link in Israels involvement in 9-11

What is with you paranoids and your obsession with far fetched fantasies of Israeli malfeasance?

 
At 23 April, 2010 04:53, Blogger angrysoba said...

Lets hope he can turn up info on he mysterious Eddy Shalev, the fellow who certified Hani Hanjour...


I wish someone would certify you. You would clearly qualify.

 
At 23 April, 2010 04:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

israels malfeasance is quite well documented, from Dancing Israelis, genocide in palestine, getting US to bomb Libya, to the lockerbie bombing

http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/347-2010-march/8301-taking-another-look-at-the-destruction-of-pan-am-103.html

 
At 23 April, 2010 04:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba

FYI

''So, who is Eddie Shalev? His identity remained unknown for more than seven years, but was finally revealed in one of the files released in January 2009 by the National Archives. The document, labelled a “Memorandum for the Record,” is a summary of the April 2004 interview with Eddie Shalev conducted by commission staffer Quinn John Tamm.[32] The document confirms that Shalev went on record: “Mr Shalev stated that based on his observations Hanjour was a ‘good’ pilot.” It is noteworthy that Tamm also spoke with Freeway instructors Sheri Baxter and Ben Conner, as revealed by yet another recently-released document.[33] Although I was unable to reach Tamm or Baxter for comment, I did talk with Conner, who confirmed the conversation.[34] Conner says he fully expected to testify before the commission. Perhaps not surprisingly, the call never came.

But the shocker is the revelation that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army. The file states that “Mr. Shalev served in the Israeli Defense Forces in a paratroop regiment. He was a jumpmaster on a Boeing C-130. Mr. Shalev moved to the Gaithersburg area in April 2001 and was sponsored for employment by Congressional Air Charters...[which] has subsequently gone out of business.”

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israels role in 9-11 is now well contested..
only an israeli jew certified Hani...noooe else and so close to 9-11...thats verhy interesting.

9-11 wasnt done by OBL or by arabs....

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:01, Blogger angrysoba said...

Lucky hes so indefatigable in his investigation of 9-11


indefatigable =/= insane.

My dear old aunt was indefatigable in forgetting my name.

She was senile. Poor dear. And it is only on those grounds that I try not to be too nasty to Griffin. The guy is senile.

What's your excuse?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:02, Blogger angrysoba said...

Dancing Israelis

Explain!

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:05, Blogger angrysoba said...

Anonymous, why on Earth is that quoted paragraph of any interest.

A man has some connection to Hani Hanjour.

So what?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:08, Blogger angrysoba said...

Sorry, you didn't explain who Eddie Shalev is. All you say is that he is Israeli. If he's Israeli then it is no shock to learn that he was in the Israeli military. That would be pretty much par for the course if he were Israeli.

What are you driving at?

Don't be coy!

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:10, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Debunker Cult"

Lather.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:10, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'israels malfeasance is quite well documented, from Dancing Israelis,'

Liar:

http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

'genocide in palestine,'

Genocide is defined as 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group':

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

According to World Bank figures the population for the West Bank and Gaza rose from 2 to just under 4 million between 1990 and 2008. Genocides tend as a rule of thumb to involve significant demographic decreases - rather than increases - in the population targeted.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:WBG&dl=en&hl=en&q=Population+of+West+Bank+and+Gaza

So that's another lie.

'getting US to bomb Libya'

The only 'source' for this is the embellished memoirs of Victor Ostrovsky, who served a mere 14 months in the Mossad (most of it as a trainee). In fact, Operation El Dorado Canyon was authorised after the NSA intercepted Libyan communications traffic proving that Gaddafi's Mukhabarat was complicit in the bombing of the La Belle nightclub in West Berlin on 5th April 1986 (see Christopher Andrew, 'For the President's Eyes Only' (London: HarperCollins 1995), p.483; & Timothy Naftali, 'Blind Spot. The Secret History of American Counterterrorism', (NY: Basic Books 2005), p.185).

So that's a third lie.

'to the lockerbie bombing'

Of all the conspiracy theories surrounding Lockerbie, not one even mentions Israel amongst the alternative culprits. So you're not just content with recycling old lies, you want to make up some for yourself.

You are David Duke's bitch.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:11, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"They`re citizens Paul.
Try again."

There's a difference between "citizen" and "solid citizen" you retarded marmoset.

Try again.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:13, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"One more link in Israels involvement in 9-11"

There's a differnce between "citizen" and "anti-semitic, parnoid, conspiracy mongering, short bus riding citizen".

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:19, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Angrysoba,

Perhaps our pointy-hatted, sheet-wearing friend thinks that the flying instructor who helped Hanjour get his pilot's licence (an Arab-American) and Yasser Hanjour (Hani's brother) are also Mossad spies:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/driving_a_wedge/part1.shtml

And I presume that as a qualified pilot with many years as a professional flyer behind him, the Grand Wizard's personal catamite can refute this expert witness about the flying skills needed by the 9/11 hijackers:

http://www.salon.com/technology/ask_the_pilot/2006/05/19/askthepilot186/

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:20, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"But the shocker is the revelation that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army."

And in another shocking revelation water is wet! The sun shines during the day! Ozzie really isn't Harriet!

You fucking racist window licking moron, every citizen capable in Isreal serves in the Isreali Army.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Dancing Israelis

Explain!'

they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming...

'The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:23, Blogger Bill said...

is there any more appropriate place for DRG to be spewing his nonsense than a church?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Sorry, you didn't explain who Eddie Shalev is. All you say is that he is Israeli. If he's Israeli then it is no shock to learn that he was in the Israeli military. That would be pretty much par for the course if he were Israeli.'

do some research...ever hear of that idea? He certified hani hanjour, when Marcel Bernards school didnt...now why would an israeli certify a dodgy arab?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:24, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming..."

Yep, recycling ancient debunked lies.

Pathetic, really.

Why don't you go take your meds and have a nice long nap, snotspill.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html


a site whose owner doesnt identify himself....

this is better:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 9/11 Commission that you frantically defend no matter how inadequate it is wouldn't even exist if not for people like Lorie Van Auken, or Patty Casazza. Pat, you are the scum of the Earth. I don't know how you sleep at night.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:27, Anonymous Anonymous said...

vanishing palestine...this is what youre defending, sackcloth

http://www.americancitizenstogether.org/ACT/Pictures/Palestine_Shrinking.jpg


its called genocide

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'The only 'source' for this is the embellished memoirs of Victor Ostrovsky, who served a mere 14 months in the Mossad (most of it as a trainee). In fact, Operation El Dorado Canyon was authorised after the NSA intercepted Libyan communications traffic proving that Gaddafi's Mukhabarat was complicit in the bombing of the La Belle nightclub in West Berlin on 5th April 1986'
=================

only libya never did...The israelis used their now infamous trojan device. AS Ostrovsky tells us.


thank god theres one honest jewish israeli...


so when did you turn into an israeli lackey, sackcloth?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously Pat... how do you look in the mirror? You know you're a dishonest piece of shit. You know that you lie constantly, and spin information. How do you live with yourself?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:31, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"its called genocide"

No, it's called racist, conspiracy mongering ravenings.

Sorta like your crazy collection of rancom pictures you linked to.......

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:33, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"only libya never did...The israelis used their now infamous trojan device."

Whereas you wouldn't know which end of a Trojan goes on first.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:34, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"so when did you turn into an israeli lackey, sackcloth?"

When did you turn into sn anti-semitic racist nutjob?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Of all the conspiracy theories surrounding Lockerbie, not one even mentions Israel amongst the alternative culprits. So you're not just content with recycling old lies, you want to make up some for yourself.'

how did an explosive device get onto Lockbie plane?

Thru the agency of the israels Yeffet:


'Another astonishing factor was that the Crown (the prosecutors) ignored evidence of a break-in of the Pan Am luggage area at Heathrow early in the morning of that fatal December day. One wonders whether Pan Am had been alerted to security problems at Heathrow by Isaac Yeffet, the former head of security at Israel’s Ben-Gurion Airport, where security is airtight. In an article in the March 1989 issue of the now-defunct Life magazine entitled “The Next Bomb,” Edward Barnes wrote, “in 1986 Yeffet was part of a team commissioned by Pan Am to survey 25 of its branches around the world…Yeffet now runs a security consulting business in New Jersey'

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:38, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming..."

Yep, recycling ancient debunked lies.
====================

i dont see you debunking it, laz..and the whole world can now see for themselves...without your editorial intervention

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'You fucking racist window licking moron, every citizen capable in Isreal serves in the Isreali Army.'

sorry if the truth hurts,...but its still true....

every citizene? does that include arab citizens?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"its called genocide"

No, it's called racist, conspiracy mongering ravenings.
=======================

its genocide, laz,..,and even your vestigal conscience knows it

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Lazarus Long said...

"so when did you turn into an israeli lackey, sackcloth?"

When did you turn into sn anti-semitic racist nutjob?
===============

im not, but im not one to suffer zionist jewish lies and terrorism...

antisemitism is displayed when zionsts massacre palestinians or lebanese, bulldoze houses, uproot olive trees

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:52, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"i dont see you debunking it, laz.."


Not my job, snotspill. It's been debunked so many times that it's laughable that you even mention it.

"sorry if the truth hurts,...but its still true...."

No it's not, you moron.


"its genocide, laz,..,"

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya


"im not, but im not one to suffer zionist jewish lies and terrorism..."

OH TEH IRONY SHE BURNS SHE BURNS!!!!!!!!111!!eleventy!!!1@@!!!!

So, you're so stupid you don't even know how stupid you really are, do you snotspill?

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:53, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"antisemitism is displayed when zionsts massacre palestinians or lebanese, bulldoze houses, uproot olive trees"


"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya

Fucking idiot.

 
At 23 April, 2010 05:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Griffin is better educated and more intelligent than any of us on this baord. His books are models of intellectual probity.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya

Fucking idiot.'

yes you are laz...all the evidence favors it...just as it favors 9-11 being the work of the neocons and israeli military.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Not my job, snotspill. It's been debunked so many times that it's laughable that you even mention it.

"sorry if the truth hurts,...but its still true...."

No it's not, you moron.'

Your gutter language shows what a mean spirited person you are, on the wrong side of god with your defence of apartheid genocide israel, and ignorance about 9-11...

Lucky im here to knock some sense into you.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=129241;

'6 An upper management official at LAX has reported that he overheard members of LAX Security (including officers from the FBI and LAPD) using their walkie-talkies shortly after the attacks. In some cases, he could hear both sides of the conversation. At first, the LAX officials were told that the FAA’s Air Traffic Controllers had not notified NORAD about the hijackings. Later, however, they were told that NORAD had been notified but did not respond because it had been “ordered to stand down.” When LAX security officials asked who had issued that order, they were told that it had come “from the highest level of the White House” (“My Observation of LAX Security Events on 9/11,” by an Upper Management LAX Official [attached]; although this official wants to remain anonymous, he would willingly take a polygraph test).'

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:26, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" Anonymous said...
Dr Griffin is better educated and more intelligent than any of us on this baord."


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:27, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"yes you are laz...all the evidence favors it...just as it favors 9-11 being the work of the neocons and israeli military."

Prove it, snotspill.


[this should be good.....]

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:28, Anonymous Bikerman said...

Ten books? Damn, the nutters really are financing his retirement, aren't they. All while calling normal people with functioning brains "sheeple".

What a scumbag.

What a bunch of nitwits who buy his books.

I hope this starts a counter-movement in the churches he exploits so they won't let him come peddle his poop there any more.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:29, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Lucky im here to knock some sense into you."

You couldn't knock the cotton off a swab, snotspill.

But it sure is fun watching you writhe and jive trying to.....

trying to do something.

I'm not sure what.

Oh, prove that you're a fucking idiot.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:31, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"An upper management official at LAX has reported that he overheard members of LAX Security (including officers from the FBI and LAPD)"


So the FBI and LAPD are part of "LAX Security"?

How conveeeeenient!!!!!

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/911/2009/12/congressional-memorandum-summary-of-prima-facie-evidence-of-911-treason.html

'More chatter revealed that the ATCs had notified NORAD, but that NORAD had not responded because it had been “ordered to stand down.” This report made Security even more upset, so they tried to find out who had issued that order. A short time later the word came down that the order had come “from the highest level of the White House.” This seemed inappropriate, so Security made attempts for more details and clarification, which was not resolved in my presence.

3 planes were grounded and swapped out in Atlanta, Georgia, simply because they did not pass the routine pre-flight inspection checklist. Those planes were found to be fully loaded with automatic weapons. LAX Security surmised that could only have been accomplished by Maintenance, the Caterers, but, in their view, most likely by “House Keeping.”

LAX Security believed that the terrorists did not board the planes through the passenger terminals, but rather by similar means, i.e. via House Keeping. Other airports were mentioned, but I was unable to get it all down. Therefore, I don’t have an accurate accounting for the status and location of the other planes.

Another piece of information that I overheard was that the Pentagon had been hit by a rocket.

There was also a radio station identifying itself as LAX Radio, from which the following was heard:

There were 11 planes and 11 targets. But at the time only 10 of the targets were mentioned: the WTC; the Pentagon; the White House; the Capitol; Camp David; the Sears Tower; the Space Needle; the Trans America Bldg.; LAX; and Air Force One--“if it could be found.”

Two fighter jets had been scrambled and had successfully shot down a hijacked airliner over Pennsylvania. The point of deployment of the fighter jets was also mentioned, but I can’t remember the name of the military base.

Points of origin mentioned included Newark, Atlanta, and other locations, but it was confusing to me in that I couldn’t determine if they were with respect to hijacked planes or fighter jets being scrambled. Unfortunately the names of these airports were not all familiar to me or it would have been easier for me to account for them.

As I was leaving there was an order to evacuate the airport.

In 2001 and 2002 I tried to notify the media of the events at LAX, but they made it clear they were not interested.'
=====================

this is Charles Lewis' words

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

" Anonymous said...
Dr Griffin is better educated and more intelligent than any of us on this baord."


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
================================

thanks for proving it...

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:34, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"Lucky im here to knock some sense into you."

You couldn't knock the cotton off a swab, snotspill.

But it sure is fun watching you writhe and jive trying to.....

trying to do something.

I'm not sure what.

Oh, prove that you're a fucking idiot.
===========================

im not writhing,but i can hear you do so from here!

Consider me your conscience...

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bikerman said...

Ten books? Damn, the nutters really are financing his retirement, aren't they. All while calling normal people with functioning brains "sheeple".

What a scumbag.

What a bunch of nitwits who buy his books.

I hope this starts a counter-movement in the churches he exploits so they won't let him come peddle his poop there any more.
======================

sorry buddy, but your not fit to polish his poop! Dr Griffins books are a window for millions onto the events of 9-11 UNredacted .

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:36, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"thanks for proving it..."


My Welsh Corgi is smarter than Griffin.

At least he can spell "baord" correctly.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:37, Blogger angrysoba said...

Anonymous: they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming...


So did you but no one thinks you were responsible.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:37, Anonymous nwoisbunk said...

Dancing Israelis?

Not this shit again.

What next? How come thousands of Israelis didn't go to work that day?

Truthers live in an alternate universe.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:38, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"this is Charles Lewis' words"

Posted from his local mental health facility, no doubt.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:41, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming...'

Lying cnut.

As per my earlier link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

'Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.
She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.'

So the only witness sees three, not five, people filming what happened. No reference to any celebratory behaviour on their part. And that's all, folks.

Incidentally, who did celebrate when the towers collapsed (other than al-Qaeda, of course)?:

Some Palestinians ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/cnn.statement/

and the Iraqi government.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/12/mideast.reaction/index.html

'Leaders of Middle Eastern nations, including U.S. foes Libya and Iran, have condemned the terror attacks on the U.S. -- with one notable exception.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq said the United States deserved Tuesday's attacks in New York and Washington as the fruits "of its crimes against humanity."

Under the headline "America burns," the official newspaper Al-Iraq said that "what happened in the United States yesterday is a lesson for all tyrants, oppressors and criminals."'

BTW, I suggest you read the 1948 Genocide Convention closely before you use terms that you don't understand. What is happening re: Israel-Palestine right now is called a 'war'.

As for Libyan complicity in the 1986 Berlin bombing, I'll go for what real historians have said over the word of a Nazi scumbag like yourself and a proven fantasist like Ostrovsky:

http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad

I see you've also dropped the Lockerbie claim as well, without admitting it was BS from the start.

Finally, if you want to know what I think of the Israel-Palestine issue, I support peace based upon a two-state solution. The fact that wankers like you are opposed to this means I'm on the right side.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:44, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'He certified hani hanjour, when Marcel Bernards school didnt...now why would an israeli certify a dodgy arab?'

Actually, as I've already shown, this isn't what happened:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/10/attack/main508656.shtml

'FBI agents have questioned and administered a lie detector test to one of Hanjour's instructors in Arizona who was an Arab American and had signed off on Hanjour's flight instruction credentials before he got his pilot's license.'

So it was an Arab-American, not an Israeli, who got him certified. Not that this actually matters a fuck to anyone who's not a bigoted piece of shit like you.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"thanks for proving it..."


My Welsh Corgi is smarter than Griffin.

At least he can spell "baord" correctly
==========================

when he writes his first book...let us know.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba said...

Anonymous: they enjoyed the sight of the towers burning, people screaming...


So did you but no one thinks you were responsible.
------------------
So if they were laughkng and cheering, that indicates they are not your random tourist, but were gthere that day as part of the 9-11 operation. A real Investigation will reveal what that was.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

nwoisbunk said...

Dancing Israelis?

Not this shit again.

What next? How come thousands of Israelis didn't go to work that day?

Truthers live in an alternate universe.
==========================

yes...its called the real world...you may have heard of it..

and this 'shit' wll haunt you and all of us until 9-11s real perpetrators are uncovered.

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sackcloth and ashes..our local antisemite...

Iraqis and palestinians had nothing to do with 9-11....

but this guy did:

'The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)'
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html


nice one siv...that really shows your caring side

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:57, Blogger angrysoba said...

So if they were laughkng and cheering, that indicates they are not your random tourist, but were gthere that day as part of the 9-11 operation. A real Investigation will reveal what that was.

Not at all.

It's clear that many people did cheer the destruction of the World Trade Center which doesn't mean for a second that every one of those people were responsible.

Right?

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I see you've also dropped the Lockerbie claim as well, without admitting it was BS from the start. '

no ive not dropped it,..that israel is the most likely contender...as it has a history of false flags...

Mossad motto:'By Way of Deception thou shalt do war'

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba said...

So if they were laughkng and cheering, that indicates they are not your random tourist, but were gthere that day as part of the 9-11 operation. A real Investigation will reveal what that was.

Not at all.

It's clear that many people did cheer the destruction of the World Trade Center which doesn't mean for a second that every one of those people were responsible.

Right?.
====================

wrong,...just those zionist jews who were in sight of the burning towers.

and of course, you..

 
At 23 April, 2010 06:59, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"when he writes his first book...let us know."

It's already out.

It's called "Twoooofers™ Are Retards"

He's working on a followup called "I Poop On Your Conspiracy Theories".

He's a really smart dog.

And you're a really stupid, gullible human.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:02, Anonymous Anonymous said...

''Leaders of Middle Eastern nations, including U.S. foes Libya and Iran, have condemned the terror attacks on the U.S. -- with one notable exception'

strange the US foes happen to be israels...the very same israel attacked a US ship: the Liberty in 1967.

But then sayanim at AIPAC have learned how to control US goyim congress persons...just say: 'do as we want or no more money'.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:03, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"and this 'shit' wll haunt you and all of us until 9-11s real perpetrators are uncovered."

Get to work, retard.

Call the police.

Call the FBI.

Call your local Federal prosecutor.

Present your "proof".

Become the hero you are in your dreams.

It'd literally be worth MILLIONS of dollars when you unmask the conspirators, you can write books, appear on MSNBC, give lectures at $100,000 a pop. my God man the vistas are endless!

Now pick up the phone and get started.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"when he writes his first book...let us know."

It's already out.

It's called "Twoooofers™ Are Retards"

He's working on a followup called "I Poop On Your Conspiracy Theories".

He's a really smart dog.

And you're a really stupid, gullible human.
=======================

tell youre smarter half that the official theory is a conspiracy theory, sans evidence...

he can add that to his next book: 9-11: the Neocon New Pearl Harbor

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:07, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes..the FBI:


'On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:07, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Pick up the phone, snotspill, fame and fortune await.

MAKE that call, brother!

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:08, Blogger angrysoba said...

wrong,...just those zionist jews who were in sight of the burning towers.

and of course, you..


Just let it all hang out, anonymous. You hate Jews! Okay, we understand.

But reality has a habit of not simply conforming to the way that pathological sociopaths would like reality to behave. And that has devestating consequences.

We know that. Now fuck off!

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:09, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

So why are you worried if bin Laden is on the most wanted list if he's not involved in the 9/11 conspiracy?

Do I detect a disconnect?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:10, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

ARe you making that call, snotspill?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

So why are you worried if bin Laden is on the most wanted list if he's not involved in the 9/11 conspiracy?

Do I detect a disconnect?
====================

9-11 is not listed on his CV.
Try a few zionists...for who did 9-11

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba:
'Just let it all hang out, anonymous. You hate Jews! Okay, we understand.

But reality has a habit of not simply conforming to the way that pathological sociopaths would like reality to behave. And that has devestating consequences.

We know that. Now fuck off!'

========================

when you stop posting lies

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:16, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'sackcloth and ashes..our local antisemite...'

Check that in the dictionary alongside 'genocide'.

'Iraqis and palestinians had nothing to do with 9-11....'

I didn't say that. But some Palestinians and Saddam Hussein's government certainly celebrated it.

'but this guy did:'

Oh right, so a nut-job proves his case by linking to a nut-job website. Nicely done. I was impressed with the stuff about 'Climategate' BTW. Not mental at all.

'no ive not dropped it,..that israel is the most likely contender...'

Evidence would be nice.

'as it has a history of false flags...'

It has a history of one - tha Lavon Affair. And that's it.

'the very same israel attacked a US ship: the Liberty in 1967.'

That happened to take place during something historians called the Six Day War. The Liberty was identified (wrongly) as an Egyptian vessel before it was bombed. Another lie to compound the rest.

Incidentally, I can't help noticing that kooks like yourself keep raving about the Liberty, but you're not interested in uncovering the 'truth' about similar incidents in which USN vessels have been attacked in similar circumstances. Where are all the 'activists' looking to uncover the truth about the Exocet strike on the USS Stark in 1987?

'But then sayanim at AIPAC have learned how to control US goyim congress persons...just say: 'do as we want or no more money'.'

Paranoid much?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:16, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"9-11 is not listed on his CV."

That doesn't explain why you're worried about it.

Now get on the phone, make that call, and you, too, can cheer the execution of some of those filthy JOOOOOOO zionist conspirators!

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lazarus Long said...

"9-11 is not listed on his CV."

That doesn't explain why you're worried about it.

Now get on the phone, make that call, and you, too, can cheer the execution of some of those filthy JOOOOOOO zionist conspirators!
============================

he never did it...its just your antisemitism that says he did.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:21, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Another lie from Anonymous about the Rex Tomb press conference, nailed here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html


Someone should teach this cracker how to read.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I didn't say that. But some Palestinians and Saddam Hussein's government certainly celebrated it.'

you do say it,..your rabid hatred of arabs is remarkable...

Saddam...thatd be the former client of the US govt, whose country the US first armed against Iran(while also arming iran), then attacked and murdered iraqis....

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:25, Blogger angrysoba said...

Anonymous,

You either tell us what the role of the Israelis in 9/11 is or shut the fuck up.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'That happened to take place during something historians called the Six Day War. The Liberty was identified (wrongly) as an Egyptian vessel before it was bombed. Another lie to compound the rest./'

the egyptian horse carrier(!) and the US Liberty looked nothing alike. Any real americans would be disgusted at your shining israeli poop by such blatant israeli falsehoods.

The men of the Liberty know what happened as they were there.Israel attacked them with the purpose of sinking the vessel with all hands

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311#

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:26, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Oh, and it's not exactly easy to argue that AQ didn't do 9/11, when Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, KSM, and lower-level figures have repeatedly admitted that they were responsible:

http://counterknowledge.com/2009/03/what-al-qaeda-says-about-911/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/04/alqaida.terrorism
http://911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:27, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba said...

Anonymous,

You either tell us what the role of the Israelis in 9/11 is or shut the fuck up
===============

ask them...just dont expect the truth to be told to a goyim.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:27, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"he never did it...its just your antisemitism that says he did."

Wow, what other things are different over there on your alternate timeline?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:30, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Israel attacked them with the purpose of sinking the vessel with all hands"

Wow, a master of the obvious, this one.

Can you explain exactly how you would actually, you know, attack an enemy ship in wartime WITHOUT the intention of "sinking the vessel with all hands"?

That'd be quite a trick.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:31, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"ask them...just dont expect the truth to be told to a goyim."

But you know the truth, right?

Make that phone call yet?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:32, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

''I didn't say that. But some Palestinians and Saddam Hussein's government certainly celebrated it.'

you do say it,..your rabid hatred of arabs is remarkable...'

Learn to read, arsehole. I said in my post that 'some Palestinians' and the Iraqi government celebrated 9/11.

'Saddam...thatd be the former client of the US govt, whose country the US first armed against Iran(while also arming iran), then attacked and murdered iraqis....'

Funnily enough, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) - in their survey 'Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001' - states that between 1973 and 2002, 57% of Iraq's arms came from the USSR/Russia, 13% from France, and 12% from China. US assistance was 0.5%.

Wow, you're not doing very well on this site, are you? Is it because you can't write your answers in crayon here?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:35, Blogger angrysoba said...

ask them

Ask who?

just dont expect the truth to be told to a goyim.

Oh, you mean ask the Jews.

Don't you even dare prevaricate here. You don't like Jews, do you?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:38, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Incidentally, I can't help noticing that kooks like yourself keep raving about the Liberty, but you're not interested in uncovering the 'truth' about similar incidents in which USN vessels have been attacked in similar circumstances. Where are all the 'activists' looking to uncover the truth about the Exocet strike on the USS Stark in 1987?'

defending a terrorist 'state', just like the cowards in congress

The difference with USS liberty,is israel was a reputed ally...

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Don't you even dare prevaricate here. You don't like Jews, do you?'

not the ones genociding the palestinians...and who subvert Congress
http://www.amazon.com/They-Dare-Speak-Out-Institutions/dp/155652482X

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:41, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"defending a terrorist 'state', just like the cowards in congress"

Why the scare qoutes, snotspill?


.
Now, are you gonna make that call?

You could make more money than Larry Silverstein, that filty JOOOOOO!!!!!

Get crackin', son.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:41, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

quotes,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:42, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"not the ones genociding the palestinians...and who subvert Congress"

That'd be all of them, right, snotspill?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:43, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Learn to read, arsehole. I said in my post that 'some Palestinians' and the Iraqi government celebrated 9/11. '

no palestinians did.,..but given the US has armed the rabid israels, and allowed them to violate US arms laws viz the invasion of Lebanon....id say they should have cheered

oh and i see youve not heard of Iran contra...and yes US armed Iraq

Rumsfeld even shook hands with Saddam...who is the bigger monster?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:44, Blogger angrysoba said...

genociding the palestinians

The Holocaust was the best thing for people like you in so many ways.

One of those is that you can compare everything (many of those things I won't defend) to genocide.

Don't be an idiot! If you cared about the things you seem to be talking about then you wouldn't be discrediting yourself with your own hyperbole.

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats it feel like to be aiding thos who attacked the USS liberty, and use their wealth to subvert the govt?


NOT VERY GOOD, sackcloth et al

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

angrysoba...
'One of those is that you can compare everything (many of those things I won't defend) to genocide.'

now thats holoacust denial...

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Can you explain exactly how you would actually, you know, attack an enemy ship in wartime WITHOUT the intention of "sinking the vessel with all hands"?

That'd be quite a trick.'


ask the men of the Liberty, laz

http://www.gtr5.com/

'The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed'

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:56, Blogger angrysoba said...

So tell me, what did this masterstroke of international skullduggery - attacking the USS Liberty - actually achieve.

I mean, what was the point?

Was it simply a ploy to let Jews be bad? Is that what this conspiracy theory maintains?

 
At 23 April, 2010 07:56, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Incidentally, if anyone actually wants to read the truth about the USS Liberty, they could always consult A. Jay Cristol's 'The Liberty Incident' (NY: Brassey's 2002). Cristol has actually done something which we in the reality-based community call 'research'.

As for the 'Liberty' survivors themselves, I can understand their feelings, but the harsh fact is that their unarmed ship was needlessly sent into a warzone by their command authority, was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel, and attacked.

It's a little bit different from the 'Stark', which was deliberately struck by a missile from an Iraqi jet while it was well beyond the Iraqi coast, and out of the exclusion zone which Baghdad had declared.

But then if you're a moronic neo-Nazi piece of shit, only one of these cases - and one of these group of sailors - is going to matter.

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Incidentally, if anyone actually wants to read the truth about the USS Liberty, they could always consult A. Jay Cristol's 'The Liberty Incident' (NY: Brassey's 2002). Cristol has actually done something which we in the reality-based community call 'research'.'
----------------------

Cristol is sayanim..loyal first to israel...and thoroughly debunked


' charlatan. n.

...A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud...

Background

A. Jay Cristol is a master of the art of lying through misdirection. His book is a perfect example of this talent. Without directly lying, he arranges facts (and omits others) in such a way as to lead a reader to a completely false conclusion. If challenged, he can reply that he didn't really lie, the error of fact only exists in the reader's mind. In addition to the articles in this critique which deal with the application of Cristol's special talent to the telling of the story of the Israeli attack on USS Liberty, it is instructive to see how he has done the same thing to give a false impression as to his own background. Since there is no evidence that he has
etc

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/commentary/cristol/critiquecristol.html


as with so much you side with charlatans, liars and murderers

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'As for the 'Liberty' survivors themselves, I can understand their feelings, but the harsh fact is that their unarmed ship was needlessly sent into a warzone by their command authority, was mistaken for an Egyptian vessel, and attacked.'
===============

it was never mistaken for a ship that looked VERY different

Why did israel deliberately choose to attack the USS liberty, the doco
Dead in the Water tells us why...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:10, Blogger angrysoba said...

Actually, sackcloth, I had never heard of the Liberty until about two years ago and when I first did my first idea was that it sounded very much like the attack on the USS Stark. What seems interesting in this is that conspiracy theorists are never interested in the attack on the Stark at all. Only the one perpetrated by the Israelis registers.

I wonder why.

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:14, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Cristol is sayanim..loyal first to israel...and thoroughly debunked'

So you start here with an unsubstantiated allegation, and end with an outright fallacy.

'Debunked' does not mean 'Neo-Nazi kooks' hate his work. It means no one treats it as credible. Cristol's book was well-received by academic specialists; for example, the review in 'Foreign Affairs' described it as 'definitive'.

I presume also that the kooks who 'debunked' Cristol took the time and trouble to go through all the NSA he got declassified through the Freedom of Information Act.

Have you got the 'evidence' of Israeli complicity in Lockerbie yet?

http://www.nsa.gov/applications/search/index.cfm?q=USS+Liberty

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well angry, your lack of interest in USS liberty is because it was attacked by israel and defended by american zionists

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Have you got the 'evidence' of Israeli complicity in Lockerbie yet'

its all here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm

http://www.gtr5.com/

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:21, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'What seems interesting in this is that conspiracy theorists are never interested in the attack on the Stark at all. Only the one perpetrated by the Israelis registers.

I wonder why.'

It's for the same reason that the kooks ignore known acts of dirty tricks committed by the security services of Arab states, whether its sponsorship of terrorism, or acts of subversion from (for example) Egyptian and Syrian complicity in the Mosul rebellion of 1959 to the murder of Rafik al-Hariri in 2005.

I don't know if it's because they're ignorant cretins, racist pieces of shit, or both.

 
At 23 April, 2010 08:26, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'its all here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm

http://www.gtr5.com/'

Great. A kook justifies his BS by citing another kook. And even better, his links don't even mention Lockerbie at all.

You really are 'special', aren't you?

 
At 23 April, 2010 09:33, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"...and use their wealth to subvert the govt?"

DA JOOOOS DA JOOOOOOSSSSSS!!!!

Get cracking, boy, start making those phone calls!

 
At 23 April, 2010 09:36, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"it was never mistaken for a ship that looked VERY different"

And you know this from the depth and breadth of our personal combat experience, right, snotspill?

Right?

 
At 23 April, 2010 09:42, Blogger angrysoba said...

well angry, your lack of interest in USS liberty is because it was attacked by israel and defended by american zionists

No. I am not American, Israeli, or - what you are really grasping at - Jewish.

Would it surprise you to learn that the first I ever heard of the USS Stark was through Robert Fisk, who hadn't even written about the USS Liberty.

You'll probably think Fisk is unnaturally uninterested in Israelis, right?

Right?

 
At 23 April, 2010 14:28, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

This is what genocide looks like:

http://img187.exs.cx/img187/815/belsencamp5ue.jpg

This is what Gaza looks like:

http://gegenkritik.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lauren-both.jpg

If you can't see the difference, then you're a jew-hating freak.

 
At 23 April, 2010 14:57, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

What happened to snotspill?

Black helicoptors pick him up?

 
At 23 April, 2010 18:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sackcloth and ashes said...

'What seems interesting in this is that conspiracy theorists are never interested in the attack on the Stark at all. Only the one perpetrated by the Israelis registers.

I wonder why.''=

==================

im wondering why you are evading the truth about USS liberty, and why you like the spineless congress support a state that has attacked the US, spies on the US, and as we saw with the Trojan episode in Libya, tricks the US...

Thats jewish power!

 
At 23 April, 2010 18:57, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Debunked' does not mean 'Neo-Nazi kooks' hate his work. It means no one treats it as credible. Cristol's book was well-received by academic specialists; for example, the review in 'Foreign Affairs' described it as 'definitive'.'

what academic specialists? They should get new day jobs, of they cant see the fraud in Cristols work. Cristols jewish anda zionist...of clourse he will distory the truth ablout USS liberty..

I prefer the men of the Liberty..they were there.


'Cristol’s insufferable mantra: “The Israelis’ attack on the Liberty was an accident,” was repeated by him ad nauseam at the book signing. However, the overwhelming credible evidence shows that the Israeli attack was intentional (James M. Ennes, Jr.’s “Assault on the Liberty”), and that an insidious cover-up of that fact has continued down to the present day (James Bamford's “Body of Secrets”). Recently, two individuals from the U.S. intelligence community have come forward to verify that they had viewed intercepted real-time transcripts, on June 8, 1967, between Israeli jet pilots and their ground controllers, in which the Israelis clearly acknowledged that they knew that they were attacking, and worse still, trying to sink, “the American ship” (http://www.ussliberty.org/smoking.htm).

clear as cristol??

'Cristol first gave serious currency to “The Big Lie” when his book, The Liberty Incident, falsely claimed that up to 15 investigations “including five congressional investigations” had all inquired into the attack and exonerated Israel of any wrongdoing.

As we have demonstrated previously in these pages and elsewhere, that is totally untrue. No American investigation has ever inquired as to whether the attack was deliberate. Certainly no congressional inquiry has done so. Cristol’s dishonest tactic is to find a mention of the attack in some official record and call this an “investigation that exonerated Israel.”
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705026.html

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Survivors repeatedly have asked Cristol and others to provide copies or other evidence of these so-called “investigations.” None has done so. They cannot. There are no such investigations. Similarly, we have asked them to remove their false statements. They refuse. These lies serve their purpose.

In fact, when survivors have sought details of such investigations from their congressmen, from the Navy Judge Advocate General, from the Library of Congress, from the Congressional Research Service, or from any other government agency, we have repeatedly been advised that there has never been any congressional investigation of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty.

Most recently, on July 25, 2006, in response to a query from Liberty survivors, the Librarian of Congress wrote:

“After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty. LC Control Number: 98135843.”
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705026.html

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:02, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sackcloth and ashes said...

'its all here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm

http://www.gtr5.com/'

Great. A kook justifies his BS by citing another kook. And even better, his links don't even mention Lockerbie at all.
==================

so youre calling the Liberty survivors 'kooks' are you...That just show the extent of your servitude to israel...Israel first..america last..

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:06, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

I prefer the men of the Liberty..they were there.

I prefer the men of the FDNY, Like Nick Visconti, Harry Myers, Robert Larocca and James McGlynn, Christopher Boyle and Peter Hayden. All of whom reported seeing massive fires on every floor and severe physical damage to WTC7, and predicted it would collapse on its own.

After all, they were there.

(This is where you try to explain why your logic applies to the USS Liberty but not to 9/11)

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:10, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Oh yeah, I almost forgot this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImQ6a-VrnA

"It's definitely coming down, there's no way to stop it... the structural stability isn't there"

Go ahead, call the FDNY survivors of 9/11 kooks because they thought WTC7 was going to collapse from all the fire and impact damage.

Go ahead, I dare ya.

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The USS liberty 2003 examined:


Capitol Hill, October 2003. It is a historic occasion. An independent, blue-ribbon commission is to release its findings from an investigation into an internationally significant 36-year-old attack on a US Navy ship that left more than 200 American sailors killed or wounded.

The commission consists of:

* A former ambassador to one of the US's most important allies

* A US Navy rear admiral and former head of the Navy's legal division

* A Marine general, America's highest ranking recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor and the former Assistant Commandant of Marines

* A US Navy four-star admiral, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the highest military position in the country), former Chief of Naval Operations, a World War II hero, and the only Naval admiral to have commanded both the Pacific and the Atlantic fleets

The panel is moderated by a former ambassador who served as Chief of Mission in Iraq and Deputy Director of Ronald Reagan's White House Task Force on Terrorism.

The commission announces explosive findings:

* That the attack, by a US ally, was a "deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew"

* That the ally committed "acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States"

* That the attack involved the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts

* That "the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the [ship] never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack"

* That surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were "abandoned by their own government"

* That due to the influence of the ally's "powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people"

* That due to continuing pressure by this lobby, this attack remains "the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress"

* That "there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history"

* That "the truth about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace"

* That "a danger to the national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation" and that this policy "endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States"

Newsworthy?

Not when Israel is the attacking nation. Not when Israel is the "ally" to whose interests American needs are said to be subverted.

This extraordinarily high-ranking commission was reporting on the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Many analysts believe that the Liberty attack could be Israel's undoing --at least as far as US support is concerned --if Americans knew the facts about it.

But they don't. Here's why:

A search of hundreds of the largest news media in this country indexed by Lexis-Nexis does not turn up a single US newspaper that mentioned this commission, a single US television station, a single US radio station, a single US magazine. While it was mentioned in an Associated Press report focusing on one of the commission's most dramatic revelations, Lexis reveals only a sprinkling of news media printed information from this AP report, and those few that that did failed to mention this commission itself, its extremely star-studded composition, and the entirety of its findings.



the US media is subservient to israel...as many are owned by zionists..from the NYT tlo Murdochs press

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I prefer the men of the FDNY, Like Nick Visconti, Harry Myers, Robert Larocca and James McGlynn, Christopher Boyle and Peter Hayden. All of whom reported seeing massive fires on every floor and severe physical damage to WTC7, and predicted it would collapse on its own.

After all, they were there.

(This is where you try to explain why your logic applies to the USS Liberty but not to 9/11)
=========================

only problem with YOUR logic is photographic evidence tells us fires were few and small./


see here:
http://rwrant.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wtc7frame40gg5.jpg

thats just before the collapse...

SO YOUR eyewitnesses are proven to be poor obsevers or liars..

after all according to Silverstein, the Firebriage pullled the building!

 
At 23 April, 2010 19:43, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

only problem with YOUR logic is photographic evidence tells us fires were few and small./
see here:
http://rwrant.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wtc7frame40gg5.jpg


Your photograph shows a giant cloud of smoke behind WTC7. Smoke which came from the massive fires that the FDNY reported seeing on every floor of WTC7.

Good job shooting yourself in the foot, dumbass.

SO YOUR eyewitnesses are proven to be poor obsevers or liars..

The photograph you posted proves the opposite.

after all according to Silverstein, the Firebriage pullled the building!

Ah... so according to you, the FDNY survivors of 9/11 are worse than kooks. They are active participants in the coverup of the murders of their brothers-in-hoses.

That's great that you think that way. Really. Why don't you go to Farrell's Bar in New York City and explain to the guys there your little theory about FDNY complicity?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

Firefighters and their unions don't hesitate to demand that safety issues be addressed. At Farrell's bar in Brooklyn, which is a firefighter and cop hangout, I asked one of New York's Bravest how he would respond to someone who said the 9/11 first responders were keeping quiet about what killed their brothers. He laughed, shook his head, and said, "There better not be a Halligan around. I'd put it through his fucking skull." At the center of Farrell's back bar stands a cross made from WTC steel and a portrait of longtime Farrell's bartender Vinny Brunton, a FDNY Captain with Ladder 105, who died on 9/11.

Go ahead, show us how brave you are in the fight for twoof.

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

CNNLIVE 9-11-2001...the fellow sayd Building 7 is collapsing or has collapsed...BUT WTC7 is still standing then he looks around, and we can see WTC7 still standing...Didnt anyone that day know what WTC7 like like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sword of what?
'Your photograph shows a giant cloud of smoke behind WTC7. Smoke which came from the massive fires that the FDNY reported seeing on every floor of WTC'

that smoke is coming from nearby buildings that really WERE on fire:

like WTC5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjykKWWEs3w

IF YOu look closely at WTC7 and its smoke, the smoke LAPS the building...it does not emanate from it..nor can you see fires showing...can you?

so youre mistaken...

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:36, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

No, he said "it's definitely coming down... there's no way to stop it", you moron.

And yes, he knew what it looked like. It was the building with fire on every floor, the largest office building fire in history. There was no way anyone could miss it. =P

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Ah... so according to you, the FDNY survivors of 9/11 are worse than kooks. They are active participants in the coverup of the murders of their brothers-in-hoses.

That's great that you think that way. Really. Why don't you go to Farrell's Bar in New York City and explain to the guys there your little theory about FDNY complicity?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

Firefighters and their unions don't hesitate to demand that safety issues be addressed. At Farrell's bar in Brooklyn, which is a firefighter and cop hangout, I asked one of New York's Bravest how he would respond to someone who said the 9/11 first responders were keeping quiet about what killed their brothers. He laughed, shook his head, and said, "There better not be a Halligan around. I'd put it through his fucking skull." At the center of Farrell's back bar stands a cross made from WTC steel and a portrait of longtime Farrell's bartender Vinny Brunton, a FDNY Captain with Ladder 105, who died on 9/11'
===========================

thanks for showing just that firemen WOULD kill...that confirms they COULD commit an act like dmmolishing WTC7

what needs to be done is to subpoenza these fireman and have them explain their role in 9-11, and why Silverstein says firemen pulled it...

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Ah... so according to you, the FDNY survivors of 9/11 are worse than kooks. They are active participants in the coverup of the murders of their brothers-in-hoses.

That's great that you think that way. Really. Why don't you go to Farrell's Bar in New York City and explain to the guys there your little theory about FDNY complicity?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard

Firefighters and their unions don't hesitate to demand that safety issues be addressed. At Farrell's bar in Brooklyn, which is a firefighter and cop hangout, I asked one of New York's Bravest how he would respond to someone who said the 9/11 first responders were keeping quiet about what killed their brothers. He laughed, shook his head, and said, "There better not be a Halligan around. I'd put it through his fucking skull." At the center of Farrell's back bar stands a cross made from WTC steel and a portrait of longtime Farrell's bartender Vinny Brunton, a FDNY Captain with Ladder 105, who died on 9/11'
===========================

thanks for showing just that firemen WOULD kill...that confirms they COULD commit an act like dmmolishing WTC7

what needs to be done is to subpoenza these fireman and have them explain their role in 9-11, and why Silverstein says firemen pulled it...

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:39, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

that smoke is coming from nearby buildings that really WERE on fire:

No, the smoke is coming from WTC7.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg

Doesn't anyone in the twoof movement know what WTC7 looks like?

This is why I believe the FDNY survivors of 9/11. They were there.

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'No, he said "it's definitely coming down... there's no way to stop it", you moron.

And yes, he knew what it looked like. It was the building with fire on every floor, the largest office building fire in history. There was no way anyone could miss it. =P
=========================

there was no fier on 'every floor' just a few, and photos show most floors with intact windows!
eg:
http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/newversion/pic11/wtc7_demolition.gif

thats just before the collapse....where are the fires ?

when it WAS collapsing, the naturally youd say: theres no way to stop it...

BUT that day, noone except thos firemen said it would collapse..FEMA however was stumped!

'NIST has finally released their final report into the collapse of Building 7, which collapsed inexplicably on 9/11. The New York Times quoted Sunder who said, "[The] reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery... It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.” Earlier, Sunder was scratching his head, saying, "We’ve had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7." Similarly, the collapse baffled FEMA who lamely concluded, "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence.” In other words, despite the fact that FEMA claimed a diesel fuel explosion would have been improbable, NIST is now asserting that mere "fires" knocked down WTC 7? As NIST admits, this would be the "first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building." A 9/11 blogger named Buru Dragon comments on NIST's press conference saying:

[A] reporter appeared to temporarily stump Sunder with a very basic but perfect question. Throughout the presentation Sunder spoke about building seven as if it were particularly susceptible to collapse by even moderate fires because of the design. However Sunder would later go on to explain that it would require a very large amount of explosives to bring it down by demolition... "if the buildings were so vulnerable to collapse due to regular fires alone, wouldn’t they also be equally vulnerable to failure with just a small number of explosives?" Sunder... proceeded to stumble through some convoluted explanation for why only fire could be responsible... [seeming] caught off guard and uncomfortable.

If this wasn't bizarre enough, NIST took 7 years to reach this conclusion. Jim Hoffman commented in response to FEMA's original report:

People who have seen buildings implode in controlled demolitions are unlikely to be as challenged as FEMA's team in understanding the cause of Building 7's collapse. They will notice, upon watching the videos, that Building 7's collapse showed all of the essential features of a controlled demolition. '

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/nist-wtc-7-fire-conclusion-blatantly-contradicts-fema-report

interesting..maybe Sunder should have asked those firemen!

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:50, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

thanks for showing just that firemen WOULD kill...

1.) Only 9/11 truthers. He doesn't say anything about hurting actual people, let alone fellow firefighters.

2.) Thanks for showing you have absolutely no reading comprehension skills.

that confirms they COULD commit an act like dmmolishing WTC7

That they would be enraged at being accused of killing their brothers proves they would kill their brothers?

Does that actually make sense to you?

what needs to be done is to subpoenza these fireman and have them explain their role in 9-11,

You don't need a subpoena. Book a flight to NYC and ask them yourself.

I'll give you a whole Canadian dollar if you do.

As it is, the fact remains that the logic you apply to the USS Liberty proves that WTC7 was the biggest office building fire in history. As fun as it is watching you tie yourself into knots over it, you can't have it both ways.

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'
No, the smoke is coming from WTC7.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg'

====================

put your thinking cap on Sword of what....as you can see from YOU photo(thanks)...the adjacent side is FIRE FREE...if that smokey side was roaring with fires how come none can be seen on the adjacent side?
HMM?

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:54, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

What do you think is making all the smoke that is pouring out of every floor of WTC7, you @#$%ing mental midget?

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:54, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'thanks for showing just that firemen WOULD kill...

1.) Only 9/11 truthers. He doesn't say anything about hurting actual people, let alone fellow firefighters.'
===============

he just said he kill...he should be investigated..as should those firemen who clamined without proof the WTC7 was about to come down..in the ligt of Silversteins admission...can you say arson?

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of What said...

What do you think is making all the smoke that is pouring out of every floor of WTC7, you @#$%ing mental midget?
========================

BUT the adjacent side shows NO FIRES and NO SMOKE...even WYC 1 and 2 show fires and smoke on all sides!

That smoke emanates from nearby WTC6 and 7...both of which were infernos...and neither collapsed!

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:58, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

The largest office building fire in history is plenty of "proof" that a building is about to collapse.

Silverstien never admitted to anything.

 
At 23 April, 2010 20:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c&feature=related

here we can see smokie from 2 adjacent sides of the first tower hit...black smoke, meanig ther fires are low

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Shite said...

The largest office building fire in history is plenty of "proof" that a building is about to collapse.

Silverstien never admitted to anything.
=========================

well he did, and i posted in on this thread....You sound like a revisionist

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:00, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Look at the photograph again, dumbasshole:


http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg

That's WTC7, not 5, not 6, not Madison Square Gardens, not the Forbidden Palace, not the The Jonas Brothers Fan Club Headquarters but just WTC7.

That building is on FIRE!

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is your a Mormon,youre a disgrace to the cult...or do they encourage lies, fraud and bull.?

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:02, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

well he did

No he didn't.

You think everything that comes from a jews mouth is an admission of some kind of evil.

All you have posted is proof of your own unreasoning hatred and idiocy.

I believe the FDNY, they were there.

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:03, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'That's WTC7, not 5, not 6, not Madison Square Gardens, not the Forbidden Palace, not the The Jonas Brothers Fan Club Headquarters but just WTC7.

That building is on FIRE!'
====================

then why is the adjacent side fire and smoke free?

Billowing out of one face..while the other is ...well you can see what it is..

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'You think everything that comes from a jews mouth is an admission of some kind of evil.

All you have posted is proof of your own unreasoning hatred and idiocy.

I believe the FDNY, they were there'

--------------------

you believe...thats the approach of the religious fanatic..

BUT the evidence tells us the FNDY is lying

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg

why is thsat adjacent face FIRE and SMOKE FREE?

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:06, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

is your a Mormon,youre a disgrace to the cult...or do they encourage lies, fraud and bull

You have me confused with Steven Jones.

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:07, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

then why is the adjacent side fire and smoke free?

Because it isn't coming out that side.

Are you really this stupid or is it just an act?

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

As a mormon, I've long believed that Steven Jones has betrayed several principle tenets of our faith.

As a christian in general, I believe the same applies to David Ray Griffin
===================

this is where you a you are a mormon and a christian(most christians would dispute that).

SO did YOU confuse youself with Stephen Jones? or is lying natural for you?..if so that would explain your 911 views

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

then why is the adjacent side fire and smoke free?

Because it isn't coming out that side.

Are you really this stupid or is it just an act?
==================

so why is that adjacent side smoke free?..or was the fire compartmentalised? It wastn for WTC1 and 2 or 5 and 6

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTC5,...a building really on fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjykKWWEs3w

smoke all around...not just one side.

and it didnt collapse

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:38, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

this is where you a you are a mormon and a christian(most christians would dispute that).

The official name of the Mormon church is "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints". It is engraved on every chapel and temple we build and is printed on every book and pamphlet we publish.

For someone to say we are not christian, they would have to be as stupid and as blinded by hatred as a 9/11 truther.

SO did YOU confuse youself with Stephen Jones?

The Book of Mormon states "Yea, and ye need not any longer hiss, nor spurn, nor make game of the Jews, nor of any remnant of the house of Israel; for behold, the Lord remembereth his covenant unto them, and he will do unto them according to that which he hath sworn."

By taking up common cause with Holocaust Deniers, white supremacists and nazi apologists and giving them aid and comfort Steven Jones has violated the principles of our religion and has betrayed his faith as well as his country.

Only you would be stupid enough to confuse me with him.

or is lying natural for you?

I've told no lies here. I've described WTC7 as the largest office building fire in history, and the photographic and eyewitness testimony from the FDNY and others backs me up on this.

so why is that adjacent side smoke free?

Because the windows were broken primarily on that one side. When the north tower collapsed, thousands of tons of debris crashed into south side of WTC7. The reason we see the smoke from the raging fires described by Visconti, Myers, Larocca and McGlynn coming from mostly one side is because the smoke is following the path of least resistance.

I was hoping you would be able to figure that out on your own, but appearantly you're too stupid even for that.

In fact... if I didn't know any better, I'd swear you were acting this moronic because you already have explained your theories to the FDNY and are suffering from a severe brain injury due to someone sticking a halligan through your skull.

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

did NIST manipulate WT photos to show a damaged south west corner??

analysis of two photos of same corner...
http://wtc7corner.blogspot.com/

note the difference..

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

By taking up common cause with Holocaust Deniers, white supremacists and nazi apologists and giving them aid and comfort Steven Jones has violated the principles of our religion and has betrayed his faith as well as his country.
==========================

interestingly some of those those victimised by the nazis actually worked WITH the nazis

http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

and so its no surprise these zionists are holocausting the palestinians, as well as subertinmg the US govt and attacking US ships

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:50, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

It's hilarious watching you post more pictures of massive amounts of smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7.

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

or is lying natural for you?

I've told no lies here. I've described WTC7 as the largest office building fire in history, and the photographic and eyewitness testimony from the FDNY and others backs me up on this.
=================

only it isnt...as even your photo shows

or havent you seen these:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html


so why lie so brazenly? \Youre tarnishing your chances for a cell in heaven

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:53, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

It's hilarious watching you post more pictures of massive amounts of smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7.

we see smoke..BUT we cant see it pouring out of that adjacent face in YOUR pic...why not?..isnt there any fire?

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:56, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

only it isnt...as even your photo shows

You're referring of course to the photo I posted that shows smoke pouring out of every floor.

The one that you said was of WTC5 or 6.

 
At 23 April, 2010 21:58, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

or havent you seen these:

Buildings which didn't have fire on 47 floors.

 
At 23 April, 2010 22:05, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

WTC5,...a building really on fire smoke all around...not just one side.

The windows on 5 were blown out on all sides. The windows on 7 were blown out mostly on one side.

and it didnt collapse

There wasn't anything left of it to collapse. Just a couple of exterior walls.

 
At 23 April, 2010 23:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

WTC5,...a building really on fire smoke all around...not just one side.

The windows on 5 were blown out on all sides. The windows on 7 were blown out mostly on one side.

and it didnt collapse

There wasn't anything left of it to collapse. Just a couple of exterior walls.
=================

WTC 5 is a 10 story structure...it didnt collapse..if your saying it had NO interior stcture just walls...youve been off your meds!

show me photos of those blown out windows on one side...

thanks for ageeing 3 sides had most of their windoes intact...a step in the right direction..

 
At 23 April, 2010 23:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Sword of Truth said...

only it isnt...as even your photo shows

You're referring of course to the photo I posted that shows smoke pouring out of every floor.

The one that you said was of WTC5 or 6'
=======================
a still photo cant show anytthing pouring...and that smoke is not pouring out of WTC7...but 5 or 6.

 
At 23 April, 2010 23:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTC6...the aftermath

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Six_WTC_SW_Corner.jpg

stil standing even with great structural damage due to bombardment and extensive fire

 
At 23 April, 2010 23:38, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Heikki Kurttila, a Finnish Doctor of Engineering and accident researcher, has made detailed calculations about the collapse speed of WTC 7. He concludes that the short collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition". Kurttila notes that an apple dropped from the height of WTC 7's roof would have taken about 0.5 seconds longer to reach the ground than it took the skyscraper to be completely destroyed.'
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/02/destruction-of-wtc-7.html

 
At 24 April, 2010 00:41, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

a still photo cant show anytthing pouring...

Video showing smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7:

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Smoke.avi

More video showing smoke pouring from every floor of WTC7:

http://www.911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi

Both of which confirms the FDNY eyewitnesses that there was fire on every floor of the building.

 
At 24 April, 2010 00:49, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

He concludes that the short collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition".

How does a sixteen second collapse time indicate controlled demolition?

Kurttila notes that an apple dropped from the height of WTC 7's roof would have taken about 0.5 seconds longer to reach the ground than it took the skyscraper to be completely destroyed.

Actually, WTC7 took 9.5 seconds longer than it would have taken that apple to fall ~600 feet.

How did this guy become a "doctor of engineering" when he fails so miserably at grade school math?

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:15, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

show me photos of those blown out windows on one side...

I already did, idiot.

thanks for ageeing 3 sides had most of their windoes intact...a step in the right direction..

You wouldn't be thanking me for saying that if you had three more brain cells.

If you were smarter, you would realize that demolition charges would have blown out ALL the windows on all sides.

Now hang down your head and say "D'oh!"

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'http://www.911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi

Both of which confirms the FDNY eyewitnesses that there was fire on every floor of the building.'
==================

what that video clip shows is smoke BILLOWING...you can also see little flashes...those are sunlight glinting off window squares..had there been fires, those windows wouldnt be glinging.

So once again 911 myths and you support 9-11truth..THANKS!

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'He concludes that the short collapse time and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition".

How does a sixteen second collapse time indicate controlled demolition?

Kurttila notes that an apple dropped from the height of WTC 7's roof would have taken about 0.5 seconds longer to reach the ground than it took the skyscraper to be completely destroyed.

Actually, WTC7 took 9.5 seconds longer than it would have taken that apple to fall ~600 feet'

=================

WTC7 took about 6.5 to 6.6 seconds

so actually it didnt take 9.5 seconds longer than anything.

Here is why you get called a 911 liar

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for ageeing 3 sides had most of their windoes intact...a step in the right direction..

You wouldn't be thanking me for saying that if you had three more brain cells.

If you were smarter, you would realize that demolition charges would have blown out ALL the windows on all sides.

==================

not until they went off...

explosive devices went off at lower levels not seen in the photos of upper stories.

and yes most of the photos show intact windows...until the whole building falls thru the CD

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:42, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

what that video clip shows is smoke BILLOWING...


Yes, it is...

OUT OF EVERY GAWDDAMNED FLOOR OF THE BUILDING!

Now think, dumbass... think REALLY hard... what might be making all that smoke?

You are dumber than a sack of hair, you know that?

 
At 24 April, 2010 01:44, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

WTC7 took about 6.5 to 6.6 seconds

Wrong again, mental midget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G86yuunRBIw

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G86yuunRBIw

a very tricky video'

how does he get 16 seconds time for collapse? There are two incicdents: one the binitial collapse of the penthouse as the middle columns are blown (standard CD), then then the building proper collapses...from his second 10 to second 16.

NOW id count the fall of WTC7 from his 9 or 10 second mark... to the bend..because until then,..its stil standing and NOT falling./

Thanks for a fine display of 911 liar diddling with the facts.

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:13, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

and yes most of the photos show intact windows...until the whole building falls thru the CD

Hey dumbass, in a controlled demolition the explosives go off then the building comes down.

But as you just pointed out, the windows stayed intact through the whole collapse.

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

what that video clip shows is smoke BILLOWING...


Yes, it is...

OUT OF EVERY GAWDDAMNED FLOOR OF THE BUILDING!
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but thats not what you or i see...thats what you infer...esp as we see the windows INTACT(thats the glinting)...how can smoke billow OUT of intact windows?

D'oh!

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:18, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

NOW id count the fall of WTC7 from his 9 or 10 second mark...

Exactly.

That's what truthers always do. They always disregard the first two thirds of the collapse.

Telling the whole truth doesn't help the "truth" movement.

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:23, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

but thats not what you or i see...

Yes it is. But you'll never admit it because you're a pathological liar, a moron and a racist.

So what have we learned from all this?

The survivors testimony from the USS Liberty, which makes the jews look bad, is reliable because they were there.

The FDNY survivor testimony from 9/11, which proves a jew innocent, is not reliable.

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

that 16 seoond collapse video boffin has disabled his comment section...clearly he doesnt want dissenters to his little fraud.

yes truth and investigation are fearful things...Bush and that Boffin both are afraid of their frauds being exposed

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

NOW id count the fall of WTC7 from his 9 or 10 second mark...

Exactly.

That's what truthers always do. They always disregard the first two thirds of the collapse.
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but theres no collapse of the main structure..the boffin can see that you can see that and i can see that.
The boffin engages in a sleight of hand :...
10 seconds into HIS count the building is still there!!

What a perfect eg of 911-liar tactics!

thanks for that display of perfidy.

 
At 24 April, 2010 02:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Sword of Truth said...

Hey dumbass, in a controlled demolition the explosives go off then the building comes down.

But as you just pointed out, the windows stayed intact through the whole collapse.
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Not if you use thermate...

the windoes are intact thru those 7 hours of engulfing fire(LOL)...cause the fires are small and of limited duration

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

911 eyewitness

explosions can be heard 9 seconds before WTC7 collapses

coincidentally thats about when the other fellow begins his 16 second count!

3.48: 'everybody was so surprised when it(WTC7) just fell!'

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:05, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

the fires are small and of limited duration
- Some lying racist scumbag on the internet

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.
–FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers

It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. – Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy, FDNY

We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its collapse was imminent. There were no fires inside the loading dock (of 7) at this time but we could hear explosions deep inside. –Port Authority Police Department Officer William Connors

"There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse."
–Firefighter Gerard Suden

The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor." – Fire Captain Brenda Berkman

"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site. –Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6, FDNY

7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable. –Firefighter Steve Modica

So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the ramp, was now fully engulfed.
–PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn





I believe the firefighters (and Port Authority Police)

THEY WERE THERE.

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1499087335913993078&q=9%2F11+eyewitness#

explosions can be heard 9 seconds before WTC7 collapses

coincidentally thats about when the other fellow begins his 16 second count!

3.48: 'everybody was so surprised when it(WTC7) just fell!'

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:07, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

explosions can be heard 9 seconds before WTC7 collapses

Wrong again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0pKUz8UpSs

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'
"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site. –Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6, FDNY'


We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco



really? almost every window?
http://www.attivissimo.net/11settembre/wtc7/wtc7_post-crollo-wtc1_01.jpg
http://elproyectomatriz.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/wtc7.jpg

i dont see fire in almost every window...i see a lot of INTACT windows..

so id say they are lying...or dont you believe the evidene of YOUR senses!

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

explosions can be heard 9 seconds before WTC7 collapses

Wrong again.
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yes you are wrong again...go see Siegels video

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In his video, siegel demonstrates WTC7 falls 100 metres in 4.5 seconds..about free fall speed in a vacuum

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:36, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

so id say they are lying...

Of course you do. You say the same thing about jews whenever they say things you don't want to hear.

You're a racist. Unreasoning hatred makes you think and say stupid things.

i dont see fire in almost every window...

Of course you don't. You weren't there.

The firefighters were, so I believe them.

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1499087335913993078&q=9%2 F11+eyewitness#

at 33:10 -
'under normal fire conditionss, we dont have building collapse....'

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:42, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

A building with all 47 floors on fire is hardly "normal".

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:43, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'i dont see fire in almost every window...

Of course you don't. You weren't there.

The firefighters were, so I believe them.
============

you did say youre a mormon(moron?), and like most 'believers', learn to believe and not see...

youve seen the videos adn photos and deny their evidence for the 'testimony' of men youve never met, and whose character you cant gauge.

thats called FOLLY

 
At 24 April, 2010 03:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

A building with all 47 floors on fire is hardly "normal".
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only they werent all on fire...show me evidence they were

 
At 24 April, 2010 04:32, Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

only they werent all on fire...show me evidence they were

I already have. Just because a functionally illiterate racist isn't able to understand the evidence doesn't mean it wasn't provided.

 
At 24 April, 2010 04:46, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sword of Truth said...

only they werent all on fire...show me evidence they were

I already have. Just because a functionally illiterate racist isn't able to understand the evidence doesn't mean it wasn't provided.
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the photo you showed showed no fires on one the side showing..the other had smoke covering it...blown from another building

 
At 24 April, 2010 05:27, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Sword of Truth', remember you're dealing with a cretin here. Anonymous hasn't got the wit or the self-awareness to realise that he's a moronic neo-Nazi piece of shit who's sole purpose in life is to rant about da JOOOOOS.

He's been caught lying on everything from the Liberty to 9/11, but he's too much of an inbred cracker to recognise it.

Tag him as an O2 thief and move on.

 

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