They Are Not Skeptics
In high school, I had a chemistry teacher who was very influential in my life. Not because I went into chemistry (I didn't), but because he taught me the difference between skepticism and cynicism. A skeptic demands to be proven wrong, but keeps an open mind. A cynic refuses to be proven wrong, and rejects all evidence.
The media seem to have adopted the practice of describing the "Truthers" as skeptics. For example:
A double-bill presentation scheduled in this city Monday evening by two leading voices of what’s known as the 9/11 truth movement has triggered lively debate over freedom of expression – after one researcher at the university where the event is being held labeled skeptics unconvinced by official U.S. government reports as “liars” and “intellectually dishonest.”
And:
Three Canadian universities will be used as venues for a speaking tour by prominent 9/11 skeptics.
As we have pointed out many times in the past, most Troofers, when asked what would falsify their beliefs, will say that nothing can convince them that they are wrong. That is cynicism.
What would convince me that I am wrong and the Troofers are right? I can think of quite a few things:
1. Video or audiotape of Bush and Cheney planning the attacks.
2. Shyam Sunder joining Richard Gage's gaggle.
3. Evidence which does not consist of quote mining, publication in joke journals, and which is verified by sources independent of the "Truthers".
That is the difference between the Truthers and me. I can remember at least one occasion when I actually did wonder if they had something; when Barry Jennings' story came to light. But it wasn't long until I realized that Jennings just had his timeline wrong, which explained the difference between his experience and everybody else's.
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The Montreal Gazette wrote, "...the 9/11 truth movement has triggered lively debate over freedom of expression – after one researcher at the university where the event is being held labeled skeptics unconvinced by official U.S. government reports as 'liars' and 'intellectually dishonest.'"
Bravo! Another researcher stands up and blasts the troofers as "liars" and "intellectually dishonest."
Bravo!
The 911 "truth" Movement--Ask Us About the "truth": We're Full of it.
Continued...
The Montreal Gazette wrote, "...Julien Tourreille is a doctoral candidate at l’Université du Québec à Montréal, where the presentations are taking place at 6:30 p.m. Monday, in the 730-seat Salle Marie-Gérin-Lajoie downtown. Both speakers [Box Boy and Grifter--ed] are 'fraudsters,' he told a large-circulation French-language Montreal newspaper...'It’s a shame that UQAM’s name is being linked to such a movement, because it does not add to the credibility of a research institution,' added Tourreille, who specializes in U.S. studies."
Yup, the troofers are "fraudsters", who don't "add to the credibility of a research institution".
I'll second that motion.
I only have one complaint, Mr. Tourreille: Why didn't you use the term "con artists" to describe the troofers?
%^)
Pat, there's a real difference between skepticism, cynicism and shit-house rat crazy twoofers™.
Yeah, the "real" skeptics talk about beards and hairdos, and they promote nuts who stalk 9/11 family members. Or just random women. Or racially insult cops. Or abuse their children. And brag about that in SLC's comment section.
And here you have it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE-iCaMxfOc
Bob McIlvaine proving Pat correct.
The worthless motherfucker doesn't need a new investigation. He knows the United States of America killed his son. In his own words.
Once again, that link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE-iCaMxfOc
And fucking right he is.
We don't need a new investigation do determine whether Cheney is guilty of torture or war crimes either. We need one to find everybody involved and bring them to justice.
"Anonymous said...
Yeah, the "real" skeptics talk about beards and hairdos, and they promote nuts who stalk 9/11 family members. Or just random women. Or racially insult cops. Or abuse their children. And brag about that in SLC's comment section."
Can someone translate that mismash into Sane. please?
"Anonymous said...
And fucking right he is.
We don't need a new investigation do determine whether Cheney is guilty of torture or war crimes either. We need one to find everybody involved and bring them to justice."
Scratch a twoooofer™, find the fascist gibbering underneath.
Now, Anonymous, be nice to Pat. Its hard being a brainwashed Republican drone. He's got a sort of Stockholms Syndrome. Why else would Pat endorse a video made by a man who
Troy P. Sexton, 36, was arrested at Winfield Elementary School on Thursday. Sexton allegedly "pinched and twisted" his son's hip, then grabbed him by the ankle, held him upside down and walked across the field, causing his son to bang his helmeted head on the ground, according to a criminal complaint filed in Putnam County Magistrate Court.
"When [Sexton] reached the fence bordering the ball field, he threw him across it hard onto the ground," Patrolman Al Mick of the Winfield Police Department wrote in the complaint.
A witness yelled "You can't do that to a child!", to which Sexton allegedly replied, "Mind your own f---ing business!" Mick wrote in the complaint.
Clearly Pat is brainwashed so have a heart for the poor man.
" Lazarus Long said...
"Anonymous said...
And fucking right he is.
We don't need a new investigation do determine whether Cheney is guilty of torture or war crimes either. We need one to find everybody involved and bring them to justice."
Scratch a twoooofer™, find the fascist gibbering underneath."
How is demanding everyone involved in a crime be held accountable for a crime "fascist"?
"How is demanding everyone involved in a crime be held accountable for a crime "fascist"?"
Because you're insane, and Vice President Cheney didn't commit any crimes.
And you're a gibbering fascist conspiratard moron.
"Anonymous said...
Now, Anonymous, be nice to Pat. Its hard being a brainwashed Republican drone."
As opposed to being an insane, brainwashed twooooofer™ short bus rider.
Tell us about your climate change conspiracy again, Laz.
That chestnut never gets old, especially given that it exposes the hilarious double standard you hold.
"Anonymous said...
Tell us about your climate change conspiracy again, Laz.
That chestnut never gets old, especially given that it exposes the hilarious double standard you hold."
What "conspiracy" would you be talking about, Heinrich?
Did you come up with something new and original and even nuttier than twooooferism?
So how about those chemtrails?
Bet you the rube Anonymous buy the chemtrail scam as well. Once a gullible fool always..............
Ha ha ha...you've become scared to talk about it!
Excellent.
Skeptics 1
Laz 0
You see Pat, you're having a positive impact with this post. LOL.
Have you noticed the fact there are no smart truthers.
And no smart tea baggers.
"So how about those chemtrails?
Bet you the rube Anonymous buy the chemtrail scam as well. Once a gullible fool always.............."
Wrong bet.
But then again, given the many gaffes and blunders in our discussion, it's your credibility which is in question.
But.. how to convey that to a delusional denialist. The best thing is for you is to join Troy in therapy, and face the consequences of your behavior.
"Anonymous said...
Ha ha ha...you've become scared to talk about it!"
Talk about what?
Hey, maybe those chemtrails ARE affecting what little cognitive ability you had.
"But then again, given the many gaffes and blunders in my discussion,..."
Proving that you're a retarded marmoset......
Better a teabagger than a teabagee like you, Dave.
HAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
"Talk about what?
The climate change conspiracy.
Unless you want to prove me wrong and state, unequivocally, that you believe the scientific consensus on the issue, and not the teabagging loonery your side revels in.
Say, don't you believe in that "socialist" conspiracy too, Laz?
Tell us all about it.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Sigh. What a wonderful world :)
Oh, great, something else for the conspiratards to get their bowels in an uproar over:
"May is the official Zombie Awareness Month of the Zombie Research Society."
"Many films important to the evolution of the modern Zombie are set in the month of May, from the original Night of the Living Dead, 1968, to the well received Dawn of The Dead remake of 2004.
Also, because Spring naturally brings with it a sense of renewal and hopefulness, May is the perfect month to emphasize continued vigilance in the face of the coming Zombie Pandemic."
http://www.zombieresearch.org/awareness.html
" Anonymous said...
Say, don't you believe in that "socialist" conspiracy too, Laz?"
You just keep on trying, son.
Did you just change the subject?
"Anonymous said...
"Talk about what?
The climate change conspiracy."
What "climate change conspiracy"?
Are you nuts?
"You just keep on trying, son."
The socialists are out to get us father. They put a black face on their New World Order. Have you abandoned our cause? :(
Oh......
The disproven AGW nuttery.
Sure, whatever.
Knock yourself out.
Better a teabagger than a teabagee like you.
"They put a black face on their New World Order."
Racist.
This humiliation can all be over, and all you have to do is state, unequivocally, that you support the scientific consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming.
You wouldn't want to be labeled with the dreadful "conspiracy theorist" label, now would you? Laz?
LOL!
"The disproven AGW nuttery.
Sure, whatever.
Knock yourself out."
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
There you go. Congratulations, conspiracy theorist.
Now was that so hard?
Thanks for making my day, Laz.
This blog is such a melange of hypocritical jibber jabber.
Come on Pat: time to let that supreme "skeptic" inside of you out, in honor of your chemistry teacher, and write a blog piece, condemning people like Laz and their anti-AGW loonery.
ROFL.
"Anonymous said...
This humiliation can all be over, and all you have to do is state, unequivocally, that you support the scientific consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming."
There is no such thing as "concensus" in science, you retarded marmoset.
Now I'm bored with cockslapping you around, you can go back to the sand box.
Just make sure the cat doesn't cover you up.
Again.
"There is no such thing as "concensus" in science, you retarded marmoset."
According to the results of a one-time online questionnaire-based statistical survey published by the University of Illinois, with 3146 individuals completing the survey, 97% of the actively publishing climate scientists (as opposed to the scientists who are not publishing actively)(i.e. 75 of 77 individuals out of the 3146) agree that human activity, such as flue gas emissions from fossil fuel combustion and deforestation, is a significant contributing factor to global climate change. Overall, 82% reported agreeing with AGW.[1] According to additional sources, the majority of scientists who work on climate change agree on the main points.[2][3][4][5]
Environmental organizations, many governmental reports, and most of the non-U.S. media [citation needed] agree with the scientific opinion on climate change, which substantiates human-caused global warming.
However, according to a 2009 World Bank report titled Public attitudes toward climate change: findings from a multi-country poll, there is high unawareness of the achieved consensus.[6] In addition, some deny there is a scientific consensus,[7] [ That would be you, Laz ] dismiss it altogether,[8] and/or highlight the dangers of focusing on only one viewpoint in the context of what they claim to be 'unsettled' science.[9][10][11] Others maintain that US government scientists have been stifled or driven underground.[12]
Wikipedia: Climate Change Consensus
"Blogger Lazarus Long said...
"How is demanding everyone involved in a crime be held accountable for a crime "fascist"?"
Because you're insane, and Vice President Cheney didn't commit any crimes.
And you're a gibbering fascist conspiratard moron."
They didn't say anything about Dick Cheney. They asked how demanding all people who committed a crime be held accountable is fascist. And that was in the context of what a new investigation would prove, not what the writer may or may not think.
But Lazarus has psychic powers and can read the minds of other posters and knows for a fact Cheney is innocent of any wrongdoing, ever. Please share with us the source of your wisdom.
And if you don't mind, your definition of "fascist". Because it sounds like a) you don't know what one is and b) you don't know you sound exactly like one.
" Lazarus Long said...
"Anonymous said...
This humiliation can all be over, and all you have to do is state, unequivocally, that you support the scientific consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming."
There is no such thing as "concensus" in science, you retarded marmoset.
Now I'm bored with cockslapping you around, you can go back to the sand box.
Just make sure the cat doesn't cover you up.
Again."
Someone said something about closet homosexuals somewhere. I thought they were being obnoxious but I get it now...
"There is no such thing as "concensus" in science, you retarded marmoset."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus
PWNED BIATCH
Yawn... and what does Climate Change have to do with 9/11 conspiracies?
Unless someone was trying to point out a double standard thingy and it ran on way too long.
Now who's getting cockslapped?
" Billman said...
Yawn... and what does Climate Change have to do with 9/11 conspiracies?
Unless someone was trying to point out a double standard thingy and it ran on way too long."
Yeah, can see how it gets boring for you when a debunker clown is proved WRONG.
Lmao
Heh, hold on Anonymous. Let me go back and re-read your posts... I just skimmed over everything. But in the event you are right, well, good for you. Now what?
Wow, I get back from beating up another troll on another blog, and it looks like the fucktard was a good little girl and went to play in the sand box, because she sure got some sand up her vajayjay.
HAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!
And remember, watch out for the cat.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!
Oh, this is great!
Apparently the fucktard doesn't even read his own Wikipedia links!!!!!!
"Scientific consensus is not by itself a scientific argument, and it is not part of the scientific method. "
Oh, sweet jeebus on a pogo stick you are one stupid mother fucker.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Bye bye, little girl, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Billman, please, this is a twoooofer™ we're talking about here.
They are never right.
Meh, in the interest of fairness, and shear boredom, I just want to go back and at least try to figure out what point he was making.
"Bye bye, little girl, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."
Wait a minute, is this "little girl" the same anonymous Lazarus claimed to be "cockslapping"? Doesn't that make Lazarus a pedo?
Ok, going back, it appears Laz said there's no such thing as consensus in science, to which Anonymous took literally (as quote miners do) and wiki'd the term for Scientific Consensus, which technically makes him right, there IS a term called Scientific Consensus. But, as you pointed out, Laz, the definition itself states that it is not part of the scientific method, and therefore you are also technically correct when you say that there is no consensus in science.
So for this battle of semantics, you're both right. In the spirit of what is originally meant by the statemnt, though, Laz, you are correct.
So half point for Anonymous.
And...I'm still waiting for what climate change has to do with 9/11.
Oh, and anonypussy?
One of my former girlfriends used to swear by vinegar douches for your....condition.
"So for this battle of semantics, you're both right. In the spirit of what is originally meant by the statemnt, though, Laz, you are correct.
So half point for Anonymous."
Not bad, but half point for Laz too. It's obvious he was unaware there was a term called scientific consensus and refuses to acknowledge he was wrong. But whatever.
Now maybe Laz can respond to the post where someone asks him what he means by "fascist". Because imo they're right, Lazarus sounds exactly like one and doesn't notice!
"Billman said...
And...I'm still waiting for what climate change has to do with 9/11."
Fair point.
" Lazarus Long said...
Oh, and anonypussy?
One of my former girlfriends used to swear by vinegar douches for your....condition."
And what does that have to do with 9/11?
Well, technically, what does anything in the comments ever have to do with 9/11? At least, lately...
"Billman said...
Well, technically, what does anything in the comments ever have to do with 9/11? At least, lately..."
You asked first. Guess you answered you're own question.
"One of my former girlfriends used to swear by vinegar douches for your....condition."
And what does that have to do with 9/11?"
Nothing.
But everything about the sand up your vagina.
Poor Anonymous, I caught him quote mining again, so he's trolling and trashing every thread he can find.
Notice guys, that every thread Anonymous touches is pulled off topic. This is a classic trolling technique. When Anonymous loses an argument, the IMMEDIATE RESPONSE is to go into uber-trolling mode. Don't tolerate it--period.
So don't allow him to get away with this crap, guys. Every time he starts the trolling game, grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him back on topic.
ZERO tolerance for scumbag trolls.
" GuitarBill said...
Poor Anonymous, I caught him quote mining again, so he's trolling and trashing every thread he can find.
Notice guys, that every thread Anonymous touches is pulled off topic. This is a classic trolling technique. When Anonymous loses an argument, the IMMEDIATE RESPONSE is to go into uber-trolling mode. Don't tolerate it--period.
So don't allow him to get away with this crap, guys. Every time he starts the trolling game, grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him back on topic."
But Billman said " Well, technically, what does anything in the comments ever have to do with 9/11?"
You disagree with Billman?
"Lazarus Long said...
"One of my former girlfriends used to swear by vinegar douches for your....condition."
And what does that have to do with 9/11?"
Nothing.
But everything about the sand up your vagina."
Trying to distract readers from what's up your ass taking it in-turns from Pat and JamesB? Don't worry, I won't tell..oops.
Up to your ass in alligators again, fucktard?
After all, you always change the subject when your lying back is against the wall.
Coward.
Concerning Billman's comment:
I don't know, fucktard, my comments were on-topic. Too bad we can never say the same for you.
Shorter anonypussy:
"OOO LOOK BUNNIES!!!!"
Pathetic, really.
The sentence:
"...I don't know, fucktard, my comments were on-topic. Too bad we can never say the same for you."
was directed to Anonymous, not Billman, by the way.
"After all, you always change the subject when your lying back is against the wall.
Coward.
Concerning Billman's comment:
I don't know, fucktard, my comments were on-topic. Too bad we can never say the same for you."
So you admit you're a coward too. Maybe you can start a club together lol.
"Lazarus Long said...
Pathetic, really."
Yes, you are. Don't worry, the first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem.
Shorter anonypussy:
"OOOO LOOOK!!!! GAY BUNNIES!!!!"
Shorter anonypussy:
"OOOO LOOOK!!!! GAY BUNNIES HAVING GAY BUNNY SEX!!!!
Ummmmm.......I'll be right back....."
"Lazarus Long said...
OOOO LOOOK!!!! GAY BUNNIES!!!!"
Dude, chill with your gay bunnies. Get back into the closet. Geez...
Okay, I get it: Heinlein was a sex obsessed nut, Laz is a fan. Makes sense now.
Anonymous whines, "...So you admit you're a coward too. Maybe you can start a club together lol."
On the contrary, I directly referred to you as a coward, shit-for-brains.
So why not address the questions which concern your habitual use of troll tactics, coward?
Or are you too busy quote mining the NIST Report to bother with that question?
And remember, I'm just askin' questions...
Anonymous is right, I answered my own question. But, was it not obvious that was the intent? I was conceding the point that nothing of any real substance can really be said about 9/11 troof anymore. Didn't think it would blow up like that. But hey, if ya'll got a lively discussion out of it...
Is the Lazarus Long here the same Lazarus Long in these comments?
http://www.doczero.org/2010/01/targeting-the-tea-party/
"Anonymous said...
"Lazarus Long said...
OOOO LOOOK!!!! GAY BUNNIES!!!!""
No, you said that.
Try working on your reading comprehension skilz, fucktard.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
" Anonymous said...
Is the Lazarus Long here the same Lazarus Long in these comments?"
Yes, yes it is.
What are you going to misunderstand, misinterpret, lie about or quote mine now, fucktard?
"Anonymous said...
Okay, I get it: Heinlein was a sex obsessed nut, Laz is a fan. Makes sense now."
Sniff......sniff........
I know that stench.......
Anjd I do believe it was banned.....
Hey fucktard, I'll save you some googling.
Go to proteinwisdom.com.
I comment there quite regularly.
Not that you'd understand the conversations over there, mind you, but maybe you could start parroting something intelligent.
LL Wrote, "...And I do believe it was banned....."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If thats the same guy at doczero, hes fucking insane. Teabaggers should replace the Republican party? WTF?
" Lazarus Long said...
Anjd I do believe it was banned....."
Worst. Spelling. Ever.
"Anonymous said...
If thats the same guy at doczero, hes fucking insane. Teabaggers should replace the Republican party? WTF?"
You really don't know how to read, do you, fucktard?
HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
twoooofers™ have to be the stooooopidest collection of idiots ever assembled.
Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?
I misspelled a word.
You're a truther retard.
I win again.
Hey, Anonymous dumbass, this is what Lazarus said:
"Lazarus Long says:
January 8, 2010 at 9:17 am
Reply | Quote
Just as long as they don’t try to form a third party, they need to take over the Republican Party the same way the reactionary left has taken over the Democrat party."
LOL at twoofer morons who can't read.
'How is demanding everyone involved in a crime be held accountable for a crime "fascist"?'
Glad you said so 'Anonymous'. Now tell me why you and all the rest of the truthers keep preaching al-Qaeda's innocence (despite the fact that even AQ admits its responsibility for 9/11), and why you want KSM freed.
This mornings headline:
"NYC Bomb Suspect Faisal Shahzad Arrested at JFK; Glenn Beck Still at Large"
Oooopsy, looks like another insane islamonazi attack.
twoooooofer™ denial starts in 5...4...3...2...
So many coincidences, which all – coincidentally, of course – served to produce exactly the kind of event that the most powerful men on the planet knew they needed in order to get what would be the culmination of their dreams of power.
So many coincidences that had to happen the way they did in order for it to work.
Funny how all Pat requires to show any skeptism about the official conspiracy theory is a video confession from the perps.
Then I think about Sibel Edmonds, here's a refresher for you kids: An FBI employee makes some pretty amazing allegations of corruption in the FBI; said employee is fired with 'no explanation'; said allegations are vindicated by a Justice Department investigation; said employee sues for 'retaliatory termination'; said lawsuit is then thrown out by court after court, until it reaches the United States Supreme Court, where… it's thrown out again, once and for all, because, quote, 'there is no alternative to protect national security'.
Inspector General Rebukes F.B.I. Over Espionage Case and Firing of Whistle-Blower
Justices Reject F.B.I. Translator's Appeal on Termination
Lazarus Long said...
This mornings headline:
"NYC Bomb Suspect Faisal Shahzad Arrested at JFK; Glenn Beck Still at Large"
Oooopsy, looks like another insane islamonazi attack.
twoooooofer™ denial starts in 5...4...3...2...
of course it was an inside job, have you ever tried to find parking in times square on a saturday night? it's impossible, there's no way this guy found a spot with out help from the inside.
'So many coincidences, which all – coincidentally, of course – served to produce exactly the kind of event that the most powerful men on the planet knew they needed in order to get what would be the culmination of their dreams of power.'
And who exactly are these 'powerful men', numbnuts? I seem to recall the Bush administration leaving office in January 2009.
sackcloth and ashes said...
And who exactly are these 'powerful men', numbnuts? I seem to recall the Bush administration leaving office in January 2009.
yea, and what year did 9/11 happen in?
According to this, the guy was from Pakistan.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/times-square-bomb-pakistan-migr-connecticut-arrested-times/story?id=10546387
From the article:
The man was identified as Faisal Shahzad, a naturalized American citizen, who had recently returned from a five-month trip to Pakistan and the city of Peshawar, a known jumping off point for al Qaeda and Taliban recruits.
Shahzad was arrested at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York City where FBI agents said he was attempting to leave the country to go to Dubai.
At a press conference early Monday morning, Attorney General Eric Holder said, "It's clear that the intent behind this terrorist act was to kill Americans." He urged America to "remain vigilant."
But, al Qaeda isn't a threat, right troofers? It's something the Bush Administration created... or maybe it does really exist, except 'why would they want to kill Americans' right?
When are you going to realize the real threats out there trump your phantom menace of a conspiracy theory?
yea, and what year did 9/11 happen in?
Man, if you were right, that would mean Bush had less than 8 months to rig all three towers with explosives, set up remote controlled planes (or whatever the theory is this week), and organize people to cover it all up (who have remained silent for almost 9 years). That's amazing.
"That's amazing."
No, it just proves that twoooofers™ are cognitively disabled.
"the most powerful men on the planet"
Who are they, numbnuts?
You know, Laz, I have a theory that I would like you to soncsider.
(With a few occasional sociopath exceptions) None of the troofers that come in here honestly believe that 9/11 was really an "inside job", but rather they're just on some ridiculous quest to try to get those of us here to believe that the government is (or was at the time) corrupt enough to actually do something like that, because they feel guilty and stupid for buying into it in the first place and are looking for validation for their earlier retardness by trying to get us to think like a retard.
While at the same time forgetting the fact that the government DID'NT do it, so why should any of us here believe they WOULD given the right circumstances?
Sorry, troofers. Your retardedness is your own.
*sconcsider? Man, typing on my G1 makes me dyslexic.
While at the same time forgetting the fact that the government DID'NT do it, so why should any of us here believe they WOULD given the right circumstances?
You're saying because X did not happen under Y circumstances, that X can never happen if Y circumstances change?
By definition the "right circumstances" does increase the probability ...otherwise you undermine your own argument. FYI.
BTW. not a truther or debunker, just someone who hates bad logic. This blog is a little silly.
Anonymous, you're right. I'm always a bit sloppy with logic when I'm posting at work.
Looks like the Gulf oil spill is becoming the lastest "inside job" for conspiracy kooks with the latest "look who benefits" comments (but no facts, of course).
''sackcloth and ashes said...
And who exactly are these 'powerful men', numbnuts? I seem to recall the Bush administration leaving office in January 2009.'
yea, and what year did 9/11 happen in?'
You just don't get it, do you?
Prior to 2009 all you kooks were saying that the Bush-Cheney junta made 9/11 happen so that it could subvert the constitution, seize power and establish a fascist dictatorship. That never happened. Yet again the gap between reality and your fantasies was shown to be Grand Canyon-wide.
And are you honestly trying to tell me that in the nine months 'they' were in office the Bushites were able to fake 19 hijackers' identities, link them with OBL, rig the WTC towers for controlled demolition, arrange for the bogus hijacking of four passenger jets, and then pull off the perfect 'false-flag' attack, followed by the perfect cover-up?
This is what happens to people when they sniff too much glue.
sackcloth and ashes said...
''sackcloth and ashes said...
And who exactly are these 'powerful men', numbnuts? I seem to recall the Bush administration leaving office in January 2009.'
PNAC
Prior to 2009 all you kooks were saying that the Bush-Cheney junta made 9/11 happen so that it could subvert the constitution, seize power and establish a fascist dictatorship. That never happened. Yet again the gap between reality and your fantasies was shown to be Grand Canyon-wide.
once again the bunko squad trot out some strawmen to knock down and pat themselves on the back.
And are you honestly trying to tell me that in the nine months 'they' were in office the Bushites were able to fake 19 hijackers' identities, link them with OBL, rig the WTC towers for controlled demolition, arrange for the bogus hijacking of four passenger jets, and then pull off the perfect 'false-flag' attack, followed by the perfect cover-up?
the cover up was far from perfect, but if you're someone who believes that that government is good and only puts the truth on t.v. i can see why you're easily confused.
but in a short answer, yes.
'once again the bunko squad trot out some strawmen to knock down and pat themselves on the back.'
Oh, so the truthers were claiming that Bush and Cheney did 9/11 so that they could just have a second term then? I don't think so.
'the cover up was far from perfect'
Right, so it was good enough to fool the Democrats, the US and international news media, and folk across the globe. But not good enough to fool a bunch of kooks and social rejects like yourself.
None of the troofers that come in here honestly believe that 9/11 was really an "inside job"
Sorry, billman, twooooofers™ believe.
It's not actually science with the nuts, it's actually a theology, with prophets, saints, and a canon that you HAVE to believe in, otherwise you get excommunicated, or treated like a heathen non-believer outsider.
Oh, and magic.
See thermite, nano.
"the cover up was far from perfect, but if you're someone who believes that that government is good and only puts the truth on t.v. i can see why you're easily confused.
but in a short answer, yes."
See?
Magic.
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