How Paranoid?
Jon Gold, on his upcoming trial for the heinous and no doubt capital crime of crossing a police line gives us this breathless update:
My personal psyop is threatening to show up to this. Why is it most of my "enemies" are those who claim to fight for truth, accountability and justice for the 9/11 attacks (even though they don't)? I bet this has something to do with it.
Well, Jon, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that I'm not your personal psy-op. Crap, who have we got on you? Oh, her? But she's one of the--forget I said that.
Not to fear, someone's going to be there to protect Jon:
I'll be there with video camera- HQ wants me to keep an eye on Jon Gold
Yes, and then be sure to pull that black button that makes sure you get the best shot at him. Errr, I mean, of him, of course.
I mean, seriously. Does anybody really think that Jon Gold is somehow a dangerous individual? If you buy the Troofers' theories for a moment, who is most dangerous to the "official story"? Generally, Griffin, (Steven and Alex) Jones and Gage, I would say, with arguments to be made by Avery, Fetzer, Sofia, Hufschmid, Meyssan and Meserlian. But on any sane scale Gold is way down on the totem pole. Of course, to the paranoid that is precisely the problem; they are not prominent enough to garner attention if they are murdered but they are prominent enough that their deaths would silence others, nay, have silenced others.
Labels: Jon Gold
posted by Pat @ 2:14 PM
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161 Comments:
I wonder if his personal psyop is no-planer Adam Syed. They go after each other enough on 911 Booger.
Pat, do you have a link for that Jon Gold missive?
Also, here's a good video from a psychologist on conspiracy theories and denialism:
AIDS, 9/11, and The Holocaust:
The Psychology Of Conspiracy Theories and Denialism.”
University of South Carolina
COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES
Psychology
http://www.psych.sc.edu/videos/Kalichman.mpg
twoooofers™ certainly do have an inflated sense of self-importance, do they not?
There must be some joke about him believing he's worth his weight in gold.
I can't be arsed to think one up, right now though.
"I'll be there with video camera- HQ wants me to keep an eye on Jon Gold," says someone calling himself Rancho Truth, who looks like he's had a lobotomy.
These bombastic fucking idiots aren't satisfied with humiliating themselves in public, - they have to record their every ridiculous move for posterity, or rather for youtube.
Rancho can surely leave his camera at home, because all the major networks are bound to be covering the trial of the century. In the UK, it's all they're talking about, - Sky News, BBC. Blanket coverage of the "Peace Criminals."
Like all twoofer, he thinks the whole world is focused on him and his stupid cause. I doubt any twoofers are under any sort of surveillance, or if they are, it isn't for twooferism.
Jon Gold? Court? Personal psyop?
Oh man, it has all the potential to rival Gage's cardboard box video.
Please, please, Jon, make a video and post it on youtube.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!
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From http://scienceblogs.com/
What is Denialism
"We don't argue with cranks. Part of understanding denialism is knowing that it's futile to argue with them, and giving them yet another forum is unnecessary. They also have the advantage of just being able to make things up and it takes forever to knock down each argument as they're only limited by their imagination while we're limited by things like logic and data."
"Almost every denialist argument will eventually devolve into a conspiracy. This is because denialist theories that oppose well-established science eventually need to assert deception on the part of their opponents to explain things like why every reputable scientist, journal, and opponent seems to be able to operate from the same page. In the crank mind, it isn't because their opponents are operating from the same set of facts, it's that all their opponents are liars (or fools) who are using the same false set of information."
"You haven't graduated to being a full crank until you've been persecuted. Here are some suggestions:
If you are faculty at a university, make sure to write a book about your crank idea. When the other members at the department decide to deny you tenure because of your moronic ideas or call you an idiot claim persecution!
If you work at an office, make sure you spend your time promoting your crank idea. Tell everybody about it. Send mass emails about it. Leave copies of your "monograph" where your boss and others can find it - like the breakroom. If you're fired for pursuing your crankery on the job claim persecution!
If someone shows up at your website or forum and points out the flaws in your argument claim persecution!
If anyone calls you an idiot, a moron, a pseudoscientist, a crank, or denialist claim persecution!
If people don't immediately accept your idea upon hearing it claim persecution!
If they won't teach your idea in public schools as fact claim persecution!
If they won't teach the controversy over your ideas in public schools claim persecution!
If people criticize journals for publishing your papers claim persecution!
If people circulate petitions against teaching your ideas claim persecution!
If a journalists covers only the scientific side and doesn't cover yours claim persecution!
If no one visits your site or listens to you claim persecution!
If no one persecutes you claim persecution!
Also known as: The Dylan Avery way.
Dave wrote, "...If no one persecutes you claim persecution!"
Hold it right there, Dave.
You forgot to add "compare yourself to Galileo."
%^)
Your own personal psy-op
Someone who feeds you lies
Someone who spies
Your own personal psy-op
Someone to mess with your head
Someone you dread
Feeling a wreck and you're scared as heck
300 pounds and you have no neck
You're a troof believer
And I am your deceiver
doon doon-doon-doon doon-doon-doon...
OT: but I just discovered 911debunking.blogspot, which appears to be nothing more than a smear blog against Pat that noone can comment on. Every post seems to boil down to "if you look at it this way, Pat is WRONG. Therefore Pat being wrong equals inside jobby job!"
And a lot of DRG cock sucking.
Dave Kite - thanks for that link! Fantastically awesome reading!!!!!!
Depeche Mode - I LOLed. Genius.
Bill, yeah, I'm well aware of the debunking the debunkers site. I've done a couple of posts on them, but as you indicate, they're rather hopeless.
I've done a couple of posts on them, but as you indicate, they're rather hopeless. -Pat
Except they expose Pat's lies and fraud consistently, and he never has any kind of rebuttal for them. Why is that?
This is Jon Gold's "personal psyop":
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2833
Pat, do you have a source for your assertion that more than 5+% of the 9/11 dust (you know, the previously-melted iron) 'could easily' have come the torches used to clean up ground zero, or is your main source still your fat old gray ass?
Any corroboration at all?
Asking the same question over-and-over again doesn't help your cause, jizzmop.
In fact I've already provided an explanation for the source of the microspheres, jizzmop:
Source: SLC: The presence microspheres is easy to explain.
Now stop wasting our bandwidth with this stupidity, jizzmop.
GuitarBill cites himself as a source? Wow...why didn't Pat think of that?
Going to GB's Bullshit citation, we see:
"The presence of microspheres is easy to explain, and in fact, they were expected to be present at ground zero by the NIST team."
Provide a source for this or retract the statement, fool.
"The clean up operation alone had dozens of sources of microspheres: cranes; brake pads; excavators; concrete saws. All of the aforementioned items produce microspheres.
Additionally, microspheres are common and are produced by everyday tools. For example, lawn mowers; two cycle engines; weed eaters; crank shafts and common push rods, to name only a few common sources."
Provide a mechanism for how some tools and vehicles increased the mean composition percentage of iron in the dust from .04% to 5%+, then. How many excavators would it take, GB? Do you even have a remote clue how much dust there was? Epic Fail. Not Surprising.
Anonymous demandes, "...Provide a source for this or retract the statement, fool."
Ummm...fuck you. I don't cow to your demands, jizzmop.
You know as well as I do that I'm telling the truth.
If you want the source, open up the NIST Report and find it yourself.
Anonymous prevaricates, "...Provide a mechanism for how some tools and vehicles increased the mean composition percentage of iron in the dust from .04% to 5%+, then. How many excavators would it take, GB?"
Why should I do anything?
After all, the report you're quote mining (Lee) was not written by a "truther", and the evidence he presents doesn't support your argument.
So, once again, you're misrepresenting your source.
Fuck you, jizzmop.
"If you want the source, open up the NIST Report and find it yourself."
I can assure you that the NIST report says nothing about this, GB. Why did you lie?
"Ummm...fuck you. I don't cow to your demands, jizzmop."
HAHAHAHAHAA! That sounds a lot like "You lose the debate, because you simply refuse to debate" (another GB quotable classic).
"You know as well as I do that I'm telling the truth."
then provide a source, genious.
Sigh... Is anyone going to rise above this vulgar curlesque (sic), and provide substantive answers?
"fuck you, jizzmop"
I guess that answers my question. thanks, GB!
Anonymous dissembles, "...Do you even have a remote clue how much dust there was?"
I've already explained this to you as well, jackass.
Approximately 1 million tons of dust covered lower Manhattan.
Source: Approximately 1 million tons of dust covered lower Manhattan.
Any more "epic" lies for us, jizzmop?
Anonymous dissembles, "...I can assure you that the NIST report says nothing about this, GB. Why did you lie?"
No, you're lying, and you know it.
And for your information, I'm working; thus, I don't have the time to search through 10,000 pages of NIST data.
And why no comment about your continuing misrepresentation of Lee's data--you God damned liar?
That's right, jizzmop, ignore everything that proves you're a liar.
"And why no comment about your continuing misrepresentation of Lee's data--you God damned liar?"
You sure get huffy when you're exposed. How cute.
"That's right, jizzmop, ignore everything that proves you're a liar."
Not only did you fail to prove that I'm a liar (as I proved you lied), you failed to even show how I was misrepresenting a set of simple statistics from a neutral source. Why would the Lee group have to be 'truther' for their data to be examined? Your logic might work for Pat, but it clearly fails in the real world. Work on that.
And 1,000,000 tons of dust makes about 50,000 of iron in that dust. Where did it come from, GB? How many excavators would it take to generate this amount? Get to it! You too, Curley!
and hurry up with that citation saying the spheres "were expected to be present at ground zero by the NIST team." Being at work is no excuse, as you find the time to post all kinds of drivel here every day, punkass. Get to it, boy: we'd all love to see Guitar Bill's research skills shine through yet again.
Anonymous prevaricates, "...Where did it come from, GB?""
I already explained this to you, jizzmop. Can you read?
"...You sure get huffy when you're exposed. How cute."
And you stonewall when caught lying, jizzmop.
Anonymous dissembles, "...Being at work is no excuse, as you find the time to post all kinds of drivel here every day, punkass."
On the contrary, why don't you prove that the aforementioned equipment couldn't produce the microspheres.
After all, you claim that the NIST Report is lying, so the burden of proof is yours, jizzmop.
Now, get to work, conspiraloon.
Poor GizzBucketBill: bleating away while offering nothing, and being nothing. Just a silly one-note tune, repeating forever. At least it's Pat's favorite song...
Hold it, asshole.
Another 1000% fact-free non-response?
You claim that the NIST Report is in error; thus, the burden of proof is yours.
Another cop out and epic failure.
Keep it up, jizzmop, you're doing immense damage to your so-called "movement".
LOL!
"After all, you claim that the NIST Report is lying, so the burden of proof is yours, jizzmop."
Aside from the fact that I didn't mention NIST at all (except your reference to them), it's YOU who can't even provide proof that they made the statement you accuse me of calling a lie.
What's it like being such a pathetic, stupid creature? Is it as loathsome as being Pat Curley?
You made the claim that microspheres couldn't be produced in the quantities mentioned by Lee, not me; thus, the burden of proof is yours.
Answer the question, jizzmop:
"...On the contrary, why don't you prove that the aforementioned equipment couldn't produce the microspheres?"
Now, get to work.
"...and he never has any kind of rebuttal for them. Why is that?"
Because he knows it's useless arguing with the insane.
"I'm a moron!"
-Pat Cuntly is Old, Obese
"Provide a source for this or retract the statement, fool."
Prove it's not true or prove youself to be an elbow licking retard.
Do you see what the intellectually dishonest whore, jizzmop, is up to, folks?
He makes a claim and then demands that I disprove his claim, without offering a shred of evidence to support his nonsense.
LOL!
Truther, thy name is liar.
"HAHAHAHAHAA! That sounds a lot like "You lose the debate, because you simply refuse to debate" (another GB quotable classic)."
No, it's just a recognition of your poor mental state.
"You made the claim that microspheres couldn't be produced in the quantities mentioned by Lee, not me; thus, the burden of proof is yours."
Another outright lie by GB. Point to where I 'made the claim', fool.
If the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, then wouldn't it fall on the idiot who says shit like "The presence of microspheres is easy to explain", and then points directly to clean-up equipment?
Start proving, Bill. Everyone's waiting...
I wish the visionary Pat Curley would answer all these questions for us with his usual scientific rigor (hahahahahaha!).
At least he does a marginally better job of presenting horseshit and nonsense as gospel to credulous bitches...
"I'm a moron!"
-Pat wishes he were Laz
The burden of proof is yours.
Now get craking, twoooofer™!
Lie # 1
"...they were expected to be present at ground zero by the NIST team."
Lie # 2
"You made the claim that microspheres couldn't be produced in the quantities mentioned by Lee"
"If the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, then wouldn't it fall on the idiot who says shit like "The presence of microspheres is easy to explain", and then points directly to clean-up equipment?"
Noooo, it's up to you to disprove the claim.
NOW GET CRACKING!!!!
"Recapping Bill's Glory said...
Lie # 1
"...they were expected to be present at ground zero by the NIST team."
Lie # 2
"You made the claim that microspheres couldn't be produced in the quantities mentioned by Lee""
Prove where they came fro, twoooofer™!
came from.....
Still waiting for your citations and proof, GoofyBill.
According to USGS iron composed a little over 1% of the dust, not 5%
Source: USGS: Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust.
Source: USGS: World Trade Center USGS Bulk Chemistry Results.
BUSTED!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fuck you, liar.
Enjoy your plate of crow, jizzmop.
"Enjoy your plate of crow, jizzmop."
Do you use bbq sauce?
Impatience.. thy name is anonymous fucktard. though, bill, you should probably wait to incite these rants by psychos until you have time to argue with them....
Nevermind. It's more fun to let them stew in their delusions and claim how awesomely right they are for a bit, and then watch you destroy them with logic and reason. Heh.
Bill,
Do you see what jizzmop is up to?
Notice that he stresses Lee's high figure of 5%, and conveniently ignores the USGS data which shows a much lower percentage of iron-rich microspheres.
Thus he magically turns 10,000 into 50,000, and then asks me to prove something that never happened.
LOL!
Photographic Source: USGS: Iron-rich sphere I.
Photographic Source: USGS: Iron-rich sphere II.
Depeche Mode - I LOLed. Genius.
I also LOLed.
You cite a second neutral source that quotes a lower average figure for how many melted iron droplets (now cooled and spherical from surface tension) there were in the dust. Now, we have something between 10,000-58,000 TONS of liquefied iron we're discussing.
Here's what's REALLY sad:
1. You failed to propose a mechanism for how the clean-up tools could have put the that much iron into every sample (both biased and unbiased owners), or how many tools it would take to put it there.
2. You failed to show where NIST reportedly 'expected' the spheres to show up.
3. You ascribed quotes I never made.
Only you and your fellow idiots would somehow think that I'm busted. You sound more like Pat Curley every day. Any progress on those NIST citations?
Billman,
Where's this 'logic' and 'reason' you're talking about?
Point to it.
It's kind of hard to point out things you obviously won't understand...
" Now, we have something between 10,000-58,000 TONS of liquefied iron we're discussing."
No.
No we don't.
The melting point of iron is approximately 2750 degrees. How did 10,000-58,000 TONS of it get in the dust?
We're not talking about the 'blast furnace' under the rubble, either. The dust was all over Manhattan, remember?
Thanks Billman. I thought so.
"No One's Serving, Dolt said..."
So, where exactly did these untold TONS TONS I TELL YOU!!!!! of "iron spheres" come from?
" Now, we have something between 10,000-58,000 TONS of liquefied iron we're discussing."
No.
No we don't.
-Lazarus Long
S'matter anonopussy, jeoulous? (sic) -Lazarus Long
"How did 10,000-58,000 TONS of it get in the dust?"
Howze about YOU explaining where these TONS TONS I TELL YOU!!!!! of "iron spheres" come from?
You're the idio..., urm, person putting forward these claims.
Prove them.
Where'd they come from?
"TONS TONS I TELL YOU!!!!!"
"Only an idiot would thing that Ann Coulter is an idiot." -Lazarus Long
YOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!
MORON!!!!!!!!!!
Where'd they come from?
(sic)
"I'm a short-bus riding window licking moron!!!! Prove that I'm not!!!!!"
-Pat the Cowardly Bitch
"YOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!
MORON!!!!!!!!!!
Where'd they come from?"
-Lazarus Long
Why are you asking me, if you're so sure it came from torches and excavators?
"Pat the Cowardly Bitch said...
"Only an idiot would thing that Ann Coulter is an idiot." -Lazarus Long"
Thus proving you an idiot.
Shit, this is like a cat batting a mouse around.
"Why are you asking me, if you're so sure it came from torches and excavators?"
Noooooo, I never said that.
YOU'RE the one claiming that there were gigatons!!!!! GIGATONS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! at Ground Zero.
Where's they come from?
Iron.
Spheres.
Tons and tons and tons.
Where did they come from?
"Pat the Cowardly Bitch said...
"Only an idiot would thing that Ann Coulter is an idiot." -Lazarus Long"
BYW, that's just plain, stark raving really really weird.
Did you save that? Cut 'n paste it into a file?
Dude, talk to your doctor, you need to adjust your meds.
Mr. Sockpuppet, its not my fault you don't red GB's link, or understand them.
*read. Heh. My bad on that one.
"Pat the Cowardly Bitch said..."
Have you ever been profiled by profiled by David Rossi, by any chance?
Steven Jones claims that 1,000 lbs of nanothermite per tower is required to demolish the towers.
If that's true, where did the 10,000 tons of iron-rich spheres come from, jizzmop?
Are you trying to tell me that 3,000 lbs of nanothermite will create 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere?
LOL!
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
So what will you try next, jizzmop?
Invalidation of the laws of thermodynamics?
LOL!
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
Steven Jones claims that 1,000 lbs of nanothermite per tower is required to demolish the towers.
And, once again, 40 lbs of boring ol' thermite wasn't enough to cut a hollow pipe at Truth Burn.
And, once again, 40 lbs of boring ol' thermite wasn't enough to cut a hollow pipe at Truth Burn.
Silly dumbunker! That's because he didn't use Nano-Structured SUPER Thermite, the kind that doesn't exist NOW yet existed in 2001 and somehow not only explodes buildings without need for wires, detonators, blasting caps, or making any kind of sound or flash, but also makes steel so hot that it lies in molten pools for MONTHS afterwards!
"Steven Jones claims that 1,000 lbs of nanothermite..."
"So what will you try next, jizzmop?" -GuitardIll
Funny, I never mentioned nanothermite at all...
You've been exposed as worthless, lying excrement on this thread, and now you want to shift the topic and pretend I'm 'trying' something? Pretty weak, Bill, even by SLCurley standards.
Funny, I never mentioned nanothermite at all...
Pfft.. but you imply it with every comment. Play the "funny, I didn't specifically say X" game all you want. Semantic arguing is the only tactic you guys have, and it's completely transparent.
Pretty weak, Bill, even by SLCurley standards.
I'm glad you agree. Because that's everything your troof movement claims.
"The iron microspheres reported in the RJ Lee report could easily have been caused by the steelworkers using acetylene torches on the steel during the rescue operation. "
-Scat Scurrilous
Source, Pat?
10,000-58,000 TONS. MELTED.
Changing the subject again, jizzmop?
Well, I told you where they came from.
I also proved that 3,000 lbs of nanothermite couldn't possibly produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich microsphere.
So, the burden of proof still is on your shoulders.
Now, get to work, jizzmop.
Source, Pat?
Ok, call these people:
Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI)
P.O. Box 306
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland 21131
USA
Tel: +1.410.667.6610
Fax: +1.410.667.6624
Or maybe:
The Loizeaux Group, LLC (TLG)
P.O. Box 306
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland 21131
USA
Tel: +1.410.667.6610
Fax: +1.410.667.6624
E-mail: tlg@loizeauxgroup.com
OR:
American Society of Civil Engineers
1801 Alexander Bell Drive
Reston, VA 20191
(800) 548-2723
Need more sources?
Thanks, Anonymous. I thought so....
What's that I hear?
*crickets*
*crickets*
*crickets*
*crickets*
Remember, GuitarBill, according to him: "Being at work is no excuse, as you find the time to post all kinds of drivel here every day, punkass."
Yet... he manages to instantly reply to everything you say... so what's his excuse now? Or does he think this does not apply to him?
I'm a moron and proud of it! So, take that dumbunkers!!!
Well, you got us there, Anonymous sockpuppet.
"Pat the Griffinpuncher said...
"The iron microspheres reported in the RJ Lee report could easily have been caused by the steelworkers using acetylene torches on the steel during the rescue operation. "
-Scat Scurrilous
Source, Pat?"
Where did your tons and tons and tons and tons of microspheres come from, then?
You do realize, do you not, that if that bullshit were actually true, no one on Manhatten would have been able to stand up for more that 5 seconds?
They'd all look like Wile E. Coyote when he steps on a load of Acme Iron Bird Seed.
Not only was there fifty billion TONS of UNEXPLODED THERMITE in the WTC Dust but EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE. Can you refute it Guitar Billman? If not then I am right.
No, there wasn't 50,000 tons of iron-rich spheres.
Moreover, the USGS report contradicts Lee's findings.
Again, how can 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich spheres?
Short answer: It can't--period.
Now, get to work, jizzmop, because you've proven nothing.
Wow.
Just wow.
He's the cheif truther, isn't he?
Not only was there fifty billion TONS of UNEXPLODED THERMITE in the WTC Dust but EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE. Can you refute it Guitar Billman? If not then I am right.
I LOL'ed.
Pat, these guys that Jon calls his "personal psyop" have been lying about and slandering him for going on 3 years. They give you a run for your money.
I want to mention a CNN story, because it's highly relevant to the original topic.
Let's review two things. One, Jon Gold believes there's a "psyop" against him. Two, Jon Gold believes that 9-11 was actually a U.S. government conspiracy, absolving radical Islam from any involvement in this or other terror acts.
Here's where this leads:
Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying
Yup. Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying. That's what happened.
You can just imagine the thought process, can't you? Take a group of paranoid, incompetent people (like the Taliban or 9-11 Truthers). Give them unlimited prosecution power with no oversight (which the Taliban has in parts of the world, and which 9-11 Truthers constantly demand for their "new investigation"). Then just sit back and wait for ordinary events, which they will misinterpret to fit their narcissistic fantasies (see link in the OP for examples).
This is why losers like Jon Gold and Jenny Sparks and all their DURR PSYOP DURR SHILL DURR COINTELPRO DURRRRRRRRRR fantasies aren't just nutjobs, but potentially dangerous people.
Not that I think Jon Gold or Jenny Sparks is going to kill anyone. But as these claims are repeated over and over, somebody else in the group is going to take them seriously. Somebody's going to believe that there really are government actions against them, that they're in danger, and need to act in self-defense or maybe even preemptively. And somebody's going to die because of it.
"these guys that Jon calls his "personal psyop" have been lying about and slandering him for going on 3 years."
Interesting question: can you "slander" someone who is insane?
Actually, Jon doesn't say that "radical islam" doesn't exist. Why do you guys love strawmen so much?
" Anonymous said...
Actually, Jon doesn't say that "radical islam" doesn't exist."
But.....but.....but.....stupid radical islamic Arabs living in caves couldn't have pulled off 9/11........
Right, anonopussy?
Can you show me where Jon ever made that statement about caves, etc...?
A New Study of the Seismic Signals on September 11, 2001 in New York by
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209899-A-New-Study-of-the-Seismic-Signals-on-September-11-2001-in-New-York
(*) André Rousseau, Docteur d'État, is a retired researcher at CNRS where he studied the relations between the characteristics of progressive mechanical waves and geology. He published numerous peer-reviewed articles on geophysics and participated in numerous conferences, including selection committees. In this article he puts forward evidence that the seismic waves recorded on September 11, 2001 in New York are the result of subterranean and subaerial explosions that were part of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and WTC7.
With over 64 peer reviewed publications, I believe this EXPERT puts the nails in the coffin regarding explosions in and below the towers 1,2, and 7 prior to collapse.
"Anonymous said...
Can you show me where Jon ever made that statement about caves, etc...?"
Do your own fucking reseach, moron.
"With over 64 peer reviewed publications, I believe this EXPERT puts the nails in the coffin regarding explosions in and below the towers 1,2, and 7 prior to collapse."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Yeah, those dumb Arabs!
It HAD to be a controlled demolition!!!!!11!11!!!eleventy!!!
Great Cthulu, do these fuckheaded morons EVER come up with something original, something that hasn't been debunked a million times already?
And another thing, anonopussy.
Do you know how to use hyperlinks?
I KNOW you don't know how to use quotation marks, so I gusess that's asking a lot....
Actually, Jon doesn't say that "radical islam" doesn't exist. Why do you guys love strawmen so much?
Nobody said he did. Why do you guys love strawmen so much?
I've been watching a lot of the troofer videos and interviews, etc.. lately on YouTube, and while I'm not sure about Jon Gold, I've heard Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage at the very least say the "we're supposed to believe 19 hijackers operating from caves" strawman argument...
4 of 5 troofer leaders at the very least claim that argument Anonymous.
"4 of 5 troofer leaders at the very least claim that argument" -ShillBitch
Source?
Did you pull that out of Pat Curley's graying fat ass, like the rest of his (and your) "statistics"
What a sad idiot
"Where did your tons and tons and tons and tons of microspheres come from, then?"
"if that bullshit were actually true, no one on Manhatten would have been able to stand up for more that 5 seconds?"
Source?
You're refuting the findings of 2 independent scientific sources? With what evidence, scholarly one? Do you have anything to say about RJ Lee or the USGS?
Anonymous dissembles, "...Source?"
Oh fuck you.
Your entire so-called "truth" movement is based upon the racist idea that "19 hijackers operating from caves couldn't possibly have pulled off 9/11".
Question: Is there one troofer--just ONE--who's not a compulsive liar?
Sweet Jesus, you make me want to puke, jizzmop.
Do us a favor, jizzmop: Slit your wrists, it'll lower your blood pressure.
Has Trite the Dopeystar ever heard of John Yoo and his mashed adolescent testicles recipe? The Debunker Cult really needs to get out a bit.
"Pat Shits on the Victims said...
"4 of 5 troofer leaders at the very least claim that argument" -ShillBitch
Source?"
HE just cited Youtube, you fucking moron.
English, muthafucka, can you read it?
"Your entire so-called "truth" movement is based upon the racist idea that "19 hijackers operating from caves couldn't possibly have pulled off 9/11"." GuiltyBitch
Do you have a source for this baseless, foolish claim? Are you pulling facts out of Pat's shriveled ass again, GB?
One would think you've had enough of being humiliated and exposed on this thread. Slouch on back to the sewer you flyweight punk-ass bitch.
"Pat Fears Accountability said...
"Where did your tons and tons and tons and tons of microspheres come from, then?"
"if that bullshit were actually true, no one on Manhatten would have been able to stand up for more that 5 seconds?"
Source? "
You, you fucking moron.
English, muthafucka, can you read it?
"Do you have anything to say about RJ Lee or the USGS?"
Yeah.
You're a moron.
OHHHH, he cited YOUTUBE!!!
Thanks, Laz. I was beginning to think he might have done some actual research to formulate his argument. Silly me.
And silly you, fuckwit.
"The Debunker Cult"
Blather.
Rinse.
Repeat.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
"Pat Hates Research said...
OHHHH, he cited YOUTUBE!!!"
Every insane twooooofer™ in the world cites Youtube.
English, muthafucka, can you read it?
Anonymous dissembles, "...Do you have a source for this baseless, foolish claim? Are you pulling facts out of Pat's shriveled ass again, GB?"
Oh fuck you--you lying cunt.
What's this, jizzmop?
"...the US interpretation of 19 hijackers and Osama bin Laden doing [ 9/11 ] is also a conspiracy theory...If you tried to dream up that kind of theory, you would laugh it out. Nobody would believe the United States could have been taken over by 19 hijackers with short knives and a guy coordinating it from a cave...It would be absurd...It shows in some ways how much the media controls us...It's an absurd conspiracy theory." -- Paul Zarembka, PhD
Source: PatriotsQuestion911: Responsible criticism for the 9/11 Commission Report.
"...One would think you've had enough of being humiliated and exposed on this thread. Slouch on back to the sewer you flyweight punk-ass bitch."
Again, fuck you cunt.
You haven't proven ANYTHING.
And every time you're proven wrong, you STONEWALL AND CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
Eat shit and die, cocksucking liar for "9/11 truth".
Anonymous dissembles, "...Do you have a source for this baseless, foolish claim? Are you pulling facts out of Pat's shriveled ass again, GB?"
What's this, bitch?
"...The critics' consensus is there was no way that these 19 young Arab men, with extremely limited flying experience, led by a guy in a cave, could have pulled off this massive blow against the world's superpower on their own. The unavoidable implication follows that the real perpetrators of the attack remain at large." -- Richard B. Lee, PhD
Source: PatriotsQuestion911: Responsible criticism for the 9/11 Commission Report.
Any more dissembling for us, jizzmop?
Anonymous dissembles, "...Do you have a source for this baseless, foolish claim? Are you pulling facts out of Pat's shriveled ass again, GB?"
What's this, bitch?
"...Certainly, 19 young Arab men and a man in a cave 7,000 miles away, no matter the level of their anger, could not have masterminded and carried out 9/11: the most effective television commercial in the history of Western civilization." -- Lynn Margulis, AB, MS, PhD
Source: PatriotsQuestion911: Responsible criticism for the 9/11 Commission Report.
Any more dissembling for us, jizzmop?
Anonymous dissembles, "...Do you have a source for this baseless, foolish claim? Are you pulling facts out of Pat's shriveled ass again, GB?"
What's this, bitch?
"...There are more, especially about the alleged hijackers, including that they were not competent to fly the planes and their names were not on any passenger manifest. Several have turned up alive and well and living in the Middle East. The government has not even produced their tickets as evidence that they actually could have boarded the aircraft they are alleged to have hijacked. Did Osama call from a cave in Afghanistan and charge them to his MasterCard?" -- James Fetzer, PhD
Source: PatriotsQuestion911: Responsible criticism for the 9/11 Commission Report.
Any more dissembling for us, jizzmop?
"...names were not on any passenger manifest."
Sigh.
They're like Borg.
Really, really really stupid Borg.
LL wrote, "...names were not on any passenger manifest...Sigh"
Yeah, the constant barrage of lies gets old, doesn't it, LL.
"...Several have turned up alive and well and living in the Middle East." -- James Fetzer, PhD
Here's another example of Uncle Fetzer lying through his teeth:
The following are Flight manifests for flights 11, 175 and 77. They are taken from the Moussaoui trial and are from Exhibit 977.
The faxes, reproduced below, include the names of the hijackers.
Read em' and weep:
Photographic Source: Flight 11 Manifest Exhibit A.
Photographic Source: Flight 11 Manifest Exhibit B.
Photographic Source: Flight 11 Manifest Exhibit C.
Photographic Source: Flight 175 Manifest Exhibit A.
Photographic Source: Flight 77 Manifest Exhibit A.
Photographic Source: Flight 77 Manifest Exhibit B.
Photographic Source: Flight 77 Manifest Exhibit C.
The following images are a Flash presentation for each of the four flights, providing a list of passengers and seat assignments.
Photographic Source: Flight 11 Seat Assignments.
Photographic Source: Flight 175 Seat Assignments.
Photographic Source: Flight 77 Seat Assignments.
Photographic Source: Flight 93 Seat Assignments.
Have a nice day, Uncle Fetzer ("Have a nice day" is Californian for "Fuck You!")
Do you head what I hear?
*crickets*
*crickets*
*crickets*
*crickets*
"4 of 5 troofer leaders at the very least claim that argument" -ShillBitch
Source?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Seriously, are you fucking kidding me?
Are you really asking people to prove to you that 9-11 Truth leaders have made statements to the effect of "19 Arabs could not have pulled off this attack" -- something that YOUR BELIEFS ABOUT 9-11 REQUIRE TO BE TRUE?
You're asking us to prove to you that 9-11 Truthers believe in 9-11 Truth? Really? Are you that fucking stupid? And lazy?
Christ.
Just when I think 9-11 Truthers can't get any more pathetic, they do. They used to quote-mine; now they ask us to look up the quotes for them. They used to be ignorant about physics and avionics and building construction; now they're ignorant about 9-11 Truth memes. They're ignorant about their own ignorance. They've gone from arguing about the events of 9-11 to arguing about their own arguments. They've gone completely meta.
Here, I'll start you off with Richard Gage.
I can't cut and paste on my phone, but in a YouTube debate with Mark Roberts on Hardfire, Gage said this when referring to his super sticky nano thermite chips.
"This is stuff is not made in a cave in Afghanistan."
What is he implying by even brining that up during a discussion about Thermite, Anonymous?
You can also find several troofer spammed videos of this exact exchange under the title "AHHH SHIT! RICHARD GAGE DONE SCHOOLED MARK ROBERTS, DAWG!" or similar titles.
I'll get to the others... for now, prove me wrong that Gage said that.
Triterope wrote, "...Just when I think 9-11 Truthers can't get any more pathetic, they do. They used to quote-mine; now they ask us to look up the quotes for them. They used to be ignorant about physics and avionics and building construction; now they're ignorant about 9-11 Truth memes. They're ignorant about their own ignorance. They've gone from arguing about the events of 9-11 to arguing about their own arguments. They've gone completely meta."
And that's why I say BAN them.
Notice that Anonymous is trolling again. He hijacks the thread, changes the subject and proceeds to trash the thread.
My suggestion to the moderators: When they try to hijack the thread, IMMEDIATELY DELETE THEIR COMMENTS--no exceptions.
And if they persist in trolling, BAN THEM PERMANENTLY.
GB,
Now you have to point to the source that shows that those writers actually reflect the opinions of the entire TM, like you say they do.
Hurry! Your next baseless, asinine claim probably won't wait.
Neither will Pat's, no doubt.
Anonymous dissembles, "...Now you have to point to the source that shows that those writers actually reflect the opinions of the entire TM, like you say they do."
Again, fuck you, jackass.
Read Triterope's reply again, jizzmop.
Triterope wrote, "...Are you really asking people to prove to you that 9-11 Truth leaders have made statements to the effect of "19 Arabs could not have pulled off this attack" -- something that YOUR BELIEFS ABOUT 9-11 REQUIRE TO BE TRUE?"
Any more dissembling for us, scat muncher?
So after fumbling around and demonstrating negative knowledge of the spheres, NIST and objective scientific sources, now you're trying to figure out my 'beliefs' about 9/11? Haven't you had your pants pulled down enough here, GB?
Did you find your NIST citation yet? Did you figure out how all that melted iron got in the dust? Do you think your failure to answer these questions has been forgotten? Get to it, kiddo. The SLC mascots don't have much of an attention span left. Unless you have no argument, no clue, and nothing to say.
Why else would you have changed the subject so much?
Anonymous dissembles, "...So after fumbling around and demonstrating negative knowledge of the spheres, NIST and objective scientific sources, now you're trying to figure out my 'beliefs' about 9/11? Haven't you had your pants pulled down enough here, GB?"
That's right, jizzmop, WHEN YOUR LYING BACK'S AGAINST THE WALL, CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
You're a laugh a minute, jizzmop.
So where's your evidence that proves 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere?
I'm waiting, dissembler for 9/11 troof.
Now change the subject--you God damned troll.
Here's proof that you're a fucking troll, jizzmop:
Source: SLC: Pat, do you have a source for your assertion...[blah, blah, blah].".
Notice that the thread was ON-TOPIC prior to your "commentary" (read trolling), jizzmop.
*crickets*
Thanks Anonymous. I thought so.
"So where's your evidence that proves 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere?"
-GizzBill
Why are you asking me to prove a claim I didn't make? Seriously, can you read? Haven't you been following your own mortifying defeat on this thread? Try to take it 1 step at a time there, champy.
Start with your citation of NIST (remember that?), and we'll go from there. Okay, chief? Now hurry up and get to it, frothing child.
"Why are you asking me to prove a claim I didn't make?"
Yes you did.
Now prove it.
Anonymous dissembles, "...Why are you asking me to prove a claim I didn't make? Seriously, can you read?"
On the contrary, shit-for-brains, YOU'RE the one who can't read.
GuitarBill wrote, "...Steven Jones claims that 1,000 lbs of nanothermite per tower is required to demolish the towers."
Source: SLC: Steven Jones claims....
Now, tell us that you REJECT Jones' nanothermite theory. Go for it, dissembler.
Any more lies for us, dissembler for 9/11 troof?
"...Start with your citation of NIST (remember that?), and we'll go from there. Okay, chief? Now hurry up and get to it, frothing child."
Excuse me, motherfucker, but you'd do well to remember that you're a guest here at SLC. Thus, you have no AUTHORITY to demand ANYTHING.
Now, where's your proof that 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere.
Now hurry, dissembler for 9/11 troof and CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
Arhoolie, c'mon. Just answer the questions. Your suckpuppeteering isn't fooling anyone, because you're the only one who ever does it.
"Thus, you have no AUTHORITY to demand ANYTHING."
"Now, where's your proof that 3,000 lbs...." -GuitardBoy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
How pathetic. Tells me I can't demand anything, then demands proof of a claim he came up with only after failing repeatedly to answer simple questions. Sigh...
Good thing this thread will be here as a testament to your flailing, desperate idiocy. Good luck with that.
And Billman, get a clue, will you?
"They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
We also laugh at assholio.
Pathetic, just pathetic.
Now answer the question.
"where's your proof that 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere."
The ArseHooligan's sockpup[pet dissembles, "...How pathetic. Tells me I can't demand anything, then demands proof of a claim he came up with only after failing repeatedly to answer simple questions. Sigh..."
That's not an answer, ArseHooligan. It's a cop out.
Now answer the question: "...where's your proof that 3,000 lbs. of nanothermite can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere."
Come on, ArseHooligan, gives a "physics" lecture. And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics, shit-for-brains.
"And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics, shit-for-brains."
LOL!
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The following photos PROVE that thermate cutters were being used to cut up steel at Ground Zero. The sparks in the photos are not coming from an oxyacetylene cutter--you jackass. There is no operator in the vicinity. The possible evidence for clean-up workers using thermate is better than Jones thinks--or a Hell of a lot better than Jones is willing to admit.
So what were you saying about iron-rich spheres, ArseHooligan?
LOL!
Chump.
Enjoy your bowl of crow, ArseHooligan.
Photographic Source: Photobucket: Thermate Cutters used for Ground Zero Clean-up.
Photographic Source: Photobucket: Thermate Cutters used for Ground Zero Clean-up II.
Notice that Anonymous is trolling again. He hijacks the thread, changes the subject and proceeds to trash the thread.
And this differs from the usual debate tactics of 9-11 Truthers in what way?
Mythbusters Toast 1/2 Ton of Thermite
And yet you can't even cut a SUV in half with 1000 lbs.
Not exactly useful for cutting shit.
Ignition of a thermite reaction may require persistent efforts, as ignition can be unreliable and unpredictable. Not good for a controlled demolition. These temperatures cannot be reached with conventional black powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, pyrotechnic initiators, or other common igniting substances.
WTC: Thermite or Thermic Lance?
Basically steel pipes with iron rods inside. Oxygen pumped through the tube and lit with a torch. the iron acts as the fuel. Burns very hot.
Triterope wrote, "...And this differs from the usual debate tactics of 9-11 Truthers in what way?"
LOL!
Bill these thermite lances are long so the operator can stand well clear of the cutting. You can see a life bucket in one photo where the operator is most likely sitting.
Dave,
Great video. I think that tells us all we need to know about the origin of the iron-rich spheres--and it certainly wasn't "nanothermite".
FACT: The clean up operation contaminated the site with tons of iron-rich spheres.
Jones sure screwed the truthers. He brings up this stupid thermite thing, revised to nano thermite when it is shown thermite can not do the job. The truther being made up entirely of people of very low intelligence buy the scam.
Jones could have called it "unatainium" for all it's worth. Still waiting to see someone cut a reasonable size steel beam with thermite.
No discussion of thermite cutting beams is complete without Jesse the Bser Ventura (another 19 Arabs in a cave man, by the way). Ol' Jesse's stealthy edit is up there in the pantheon of troofer deceit.
I'm still waiting for ANYONE, troofer, debunker, whoever I don't care, to produce me some info on any kind of explosive that supposedly causes STEEL to sit around in molten pools for 99 days, minimum.
So, this is the theory, if I'm not mistakenso.
Some kind of Nano Super Thermite was painted on steel columns of the WTC... which to set off, did not need any kind of wiring, detonators, or blasting caps... cut through the beams diagonally when set off... in a timed sequence that caused "squibs" that preceded floors below the collapse..but didn't produce flashes as other thermites do... made the buildings "fall at or near free fall speed"... left 10,000 tons of Microspheres in the dust... and caused steel to melt in pools that lasted for months underneath the debris... and only needed 1000lbs per tower to do all of this. Right?
Billman wrote, "...I'm still waiting for ANYONE, troofer, debunker, whoever I don't care, to produce me some info on any kind of explosive that supposedly causes STEEL to sit around in molten pools for 99 days, minimum."
Bill, molten steel was not present at Ground Zero; however, molten aluminum was abundant.
Please have a look at the following:
Source: SLC: The pile's temperature was not hot enough to melt steel.
"Billman said...
So, this is the theory, if I'm not mistakenso....."
It's kinda crazy, but IT JUST MIGHT WORK!
"So, this is the theory, if I'm not mistakenso"
Billman
Billam!
NWO directive 3465/56-24b SPECIFICALLY states we will not reveal ANY secret, even in jest.
How many times do we have to remind you; these truthers are smart, VERY smart...they've got us on the run...the media gag is under immense strain...we're getting MILLIONS of outraged letters and emails from engineers and architects world wide...and NAY DAY NOW the US will be brought to a standstill by massive, nation-wide street protests.
We gotta stay calm, gang, and keep our lips TIGHTLY sealed.
Sorry about the spelling mistakes, but hell, I'm under a lot of pressure here!
Obama's calling me every hour, screaming at me to stop the truther onslaught, the Bush family are SHITTING themselves, and Mossad...man, that lot are REALLY worried.
Now, the truthers have found out about the melted steel.
Jebus, how do they do it? I mean, we vetted all the media so they would only talk about melted aluminum...man, these truthers are good.
I was in the Preview Center the other day and spoke with one of cashiers Jon was complaining to about their not selling theory material. He replied, "We get several of them loonies in here each day. We use the special tracking bags for the little they purchase; the feds appreciate it."
911 physics using toilet paper rolls!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0o_86aheFU
911 physics using toilet paper rolls!
Oh. My. God. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you, that one is a must-see.
It wereny me,but I'll respond anyway,Dogboy:you mean the dust samples from Janette MacKinlay's apartment and Steve White's apartment and the Brooklyn Bridge and the other samples were somehow effected by and tainted by work being done on the pile,hundreds and hundreds of yards away? That's just plain nutty.You been conferring with Archie Snide from Grimey? Sure sounds like the same vapor lock to me.Try formulating a thought carefully before blasting off,you crapped out,red-rough-and-sore schvontze. Anything on John Yoo,Tiger?
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