Zwicker Endorses CIT
Gee, if a Steering Committee Member of 9-11 Troof dot org supports it, maybe there's something to this CIT nonsense. Or maybe the fruitcakes at 9-11 Troof dot org are just as nutty as the fruitcakes at CIT?
Update: Troy joins CIT!
I mean, if they can convince Troy, that's it! I'm getting my Ameros and heading to Tahiti to drink mai-tais with David L. Griscom!
posted by Pat @ 8:35 AM
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72 Comments:
Do some research, Pat. I talked to an actual EYEWITNESS of the flyover when I went to DC.
The interview was recorded and can be found on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atoQ1axNnO8
LOL! The nutter, Barry Zwicker, labels the fruitcakes who run 911flogger "counter-intelligance" and Pentagon-controlled "disinformation agents." (Read the article that accompanies the video for more side-splitting "information").
ROTFLMAO!
TROOFER CATFIGHT!
Fire up the popcorn, honey. It's time for another exciting episode of Troofer Stupidity!.
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And carefully listen to the video.
Barry Zwicker makes up a new word: Endorsation.
ROTFLMAO!
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny.
And the troofers trust this block head to get to the bottom of "the conspiracy"?
Hilarious.
"Look! Brian Good resorts to another sock puppet. And this time Troy from West Virginia is the victim."
-Gutless and Shrill
It was too much to hope that your research skills would develop past "non-existent", but you're really THAT pathetically stupid, aren't you? Curley shakes his head...
"America can kiss my ass" -Troy Sexton
"Fuck America" -Troy Sexton
"Troy is my buddy from West Virginia"
-Pat Curley
Yeah, "Delbert" is a credible witness.
Notice that he won't provide his last name and won't remove his sunglasses. Obviously, "Delbert" displayed the strength of his convictions--not.
And how old was "Delbert" when he allegedly witnessed this event? 10? 12?
I'm not impressed.
If you spoke to Janice of 911truth.org, you would know that Zwicker hasn't participated as a member of their steering committee for years now. She just hasn't had the chance to update their page.
And carefully listen to the video.
Barry Zwicker makes up a new word: Endorsation.
ROTFLMAO!
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny.
Guitar Bill, you are wrong, you man-bitch...
World English Dictionary
endorsation (ˌɛndɔːˈseɪʃən) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
( Canadian ) approval or support
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/endorsation
"...It was too much to hope that your research skills would develop past "non-existent", but you're really THAT pathetically stupid, aren't you? Curley shakes his head..."
I wouldn't put anything past you, Brian. After all, it's easy to subscribe to a YouTube channel, and it's even easier to post a hyperlink to the video and misrepresent the content found therein, which is your stock-and-trade.
Clearly, Troy's video was tongue-in-cheek--a joke.
So, what your excuse, Brian?
Fine, in this instance, I'll remove my post. However, you're far from above suspicion.
Grasping at straws again, Brian?
I don't speak "Canadian English". And neither should anyone else. After all, they're infamous for words like hoser, and the like.
Notice that real English dictionaries don't include the pseudo-word "endorsation".
Source: Free-on-line: Endorse.
Source: Merriam-Webster: Endorse.
Source: Dictionary Reference: Endorse.
I rest my case.
"Fine, in this instance, I'll remove my post." -Gutless Wonder
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
What a complete loser. GuitarPussy pwns himself again, and everyone laughs at his expense.
Now post some sources that say the iron in the WTC dust came from fly ash, and hurry the fuck up, loser.
"...If you spoke to Janice of 911truth.org, you would know that Zwicker hasn't participated as a member of their steering committee for years now. She just hasn't had the chance to update their page."
Right! Because the nutters for 9/11 troof can't agree on the details of "the conspiracy".
And when the troofers disagree, they accuse one another of being "counter-intelligance" and Pentagon-controlled "disinformation agents." What a pathetic gaggle of egomaniacs.
If wasn't for ad hominem attacks and their larger-than-life egos the troofers would have nothing at all.
"...Now post some sources that say the iron in the WTC dust came from fly ash, and hurry the fuck up, loser."
On the contrary, scumbag, I've asked you on numerous occasions to post a passage from the RJ Lee Report that proves their analysis of the WTC dust accounts for all the sources of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres found at Ground Zero.
As I stated recently, fire alone cannot account for 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--period. Thus, the remaining iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres must have come from somewhere else.
Now, present the passage from the RJ Lee Report that substantiates your idiotic propaganda, or STFU.
But can't do that, can you?
Thus, you're full-of-shit.
"fire alone cannot account for 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--period. "
-Gutless silly
and of course you're about to provide a source for this, right? Or did you pull it out of your sorry loser ass...again?
Here's a better question: after you've repeatedly & publicly made a fool of yourself here, why should we take anything you say seriously?
"...What a complete loser. GuitarPussy pwns himself again, and everyone laughs at his expense."
Wrong again, knob gobbler.
I'm decent and honest; thus, I'm capable of admitting that I might be mistaken.
You, on the other hand, are an egomaniac who would never, in a thousand years, admit that you might be in error.
Furthermore, given your sickening history of sock puppetry and fraud, you're hardly above suspicion. In fact, I'm virtually certain that Troy didn't make that post, because he posts via his Google account. However, on this occasion, until Troy verifies that he made the post, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
"pwnd"? Hardly.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, Brian. After all, you might break your limp wrist.
Zwicker hasn't participated as a member of their steering committee for years now. She just hasn't had the chance to update their page.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
They haven't had the chance to update their webpage? A webpage is all they are!
"...and of course you're about to provide a source for this, right? Or did you pull it out of your sorry loser ass...again?"
Good God, you're a pathological liar.
You, Brian, pointed out that something like 56,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres covered the pile and lower Manhattan.
I pointed out that the quantity of spheres was in dispute because USGS reports that 10,000 tons of sphere covered the pile and lower Manhattan.
Thus, no matter which amount is correct, fire alone cannot account for that quantity of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--period.
As a result, I did the necessary research in order to account for the remaining quantity of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres. My research showed that the only source of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres that was sufficient to account for the remaining spheres was the WTC towers lightweight concrete.
I have a suspicion that your real problem is jealousy. It galls you to discover that I can account for all the spheres, while the answer continued to elude your feeble mind.
Too bad you're a failure in every aspect of life: education, interpersonal relationships and career.
It must suck to you, Brian.
Yeah, "Delbert" is a credible witness.
Notice that he won't provide his last name and won't remove his sunglasses. Obviously, "Delbert" displayed the strength of his convictions--not.
And how old was "Delbert" when he allegedly witnessed this event? 10? 12?
I'm not impressed.
Hi this the awesome anonymous person who corrected you on the word "endorsation".
I just want to laugh at you publically for this...
Yeah, "Delbert" is a credible witness.
Notice that he won't provide his last name and won't remove his sunglasses. Obviously, "Delbert" displayed the strength of his convictions--not.
And how old was "Delbert" when he allegedly witnessed this event? 10? 12?
I'm not impressed.
You are an idiot. You know that right?
I asked you a direct question, Brian, and I want an answer--immediately.
Question: As I stated recently, fire alone cannot account for 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--period. Thus, the remaining iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres must have come from somewhere else...Now, present the passage from the RJ Lee Report that substantiates your idiotic propaganda, or STFU."
So where's your evidence, Brian?
What's that I hear emanating from the troofer camp?
You guessed it...
*crickets*
*crickets*
*crickets*
"...You are an idiot."
Projecting again, Brian?
Making an assertion without citing tangible evidence is hardly convincing.
And "Canadian English" is hardly authoritative.
Show me a UK English or American English dictionary that includes the pseudo-word "endorsation".
You can't? Then STFU, queer bait.
So, when will you provide a passage from the RJ Lee Report that proves the report accounts for all the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres found on the pile and lower Manhattan?
You can't? Then, once again, STFU.
Correction.
It must suck to be you, Brian.
Sorry. My bad.
As per my suspicion, someone is impersonating Troy From West Virginia.
Source: SLC: "troyfromwickedverlugia"? BUSTED AGAIN, BRIAN GOOD.
Time stamp [1]: 8:55AM, 6 August 2010
Time Stamp [2] 10:25AM 6 August 2010
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You're lower than a snakes belly, Brian.
I rest my case.
GerbilTroll, if Brian Good is queer bait then what is the guy who takes the bait?
Thanks for proving my point, scumbag.
Do you eat compost, Brian? Because you're so full-of-shit that you're providing evidence against yourself.
Good job, genius.
Brian, your "EDX can detect oxygen accurately" propaganda is shot down in flames.
Source: SLC: Squirm, Brian, squirm--you little weasel.
ROTFLMAO!
Talk about "tak[ing] the bait"?
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
Link:
9/11 and the Pentagon Attack: What Witnesses Described
GutterBall, nobody said EDX can detect oxygen accurately. You claimed it can't detect oxygen at all, and by repetition of a bogus point you are trying to cover over your error because you are not man enough to admit it.
In that way you much resemble the supporters of CIT.
Scumbag the Quote Miner wrote, "...GutterBall, nobody said EDX can detect oxygen accurately. You claimed it can't detect oxygen at all."
Yawn.
You are a liar, Brian.
I never used the word "at all". Thus, you're lying again.
For example, you wrote, "...YOU made the error when you claimed EDX can not measure oxygen"
I never said that at all. And all you have is a quote mined statement to "substantiate" your propaganda.
Here's what I wrote, Mr Quote Miner:
"...Steven Jones employed EDX to determine the composition of the "dust samples". It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX because oxygen emits very low energy X-rays--that is, ~0.4 keV or less.
"The bottom line: oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX, which explains why none of the "dust samples" show oxygen peaks (but that doesn't mean that oxygen isn't abundant in the sample). Jones, moreover, needs to subject his "dust samples" to Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen."
Here's the proof that you're a quote miner. In fact, Brian used a portion of my words, and quoted me OUT OF CONTEXT.
Brian wrote, "...YOU made the error when you claimed EDX can not measure oxygen, and you're not man enough to admit it."
Check
Brian wrote, "It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX"...You don't even know what you wrote, let alone anything else, GordoBall."
Source: SLC: Proof that you're a quote mining son-of-a-bith, Brian.
Check and mate.
What were saying, Mr. Pathological liar?
ROTFLMAO!
Squirm Brian, squirm--you lying little weasel.
Let's see, Brian. Today, I caught you red-handed [1] impersonating Troy From West Virginia; and [2] quote mining my writing and misrepresenting my argument.
Can you say, "Crash and burn"?
Poor baby, cry me a river.
Now, take your double-digit IQ and go back to 911flogger where you belong, scumbag.
Shot Down In Flames.
Squirm Brian, squirm--you lying little weasel.
Oh God that video is hillarious!
1 "Eye Witness" = concrete evidence? Yet debunkers are the facists?
The remark about the FEMA death camps was especially silly. Those guys should at least wear clown noses while they film.
He doesn't talk to the maintenance guy who was almost killed when AA77 struck the antena he was fixing on the roof of the Navy Annex. No mention is made of all the eye witnesses who were stuck in traffic in front of the Pentagon and saw the entire crash.
Yet Dillhole, or whatever his name is makes a credible source.
Wow, GB, your deterioration right out here in public is pretty dramatic. You admit that you said "It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX" and then you claim that my statement "You claimed it can't detect oxygen at all" is a lie because you didn't use the words "at all".
You believe with no evidence at all that I am some pervert you seem to have a sexual interest in, and you seem to believe that someone posting under the name troyfromwastevagina is trying to impersonate troyfromwestvirginia.
You are really a sketch, GB, and the funny thing is you have no idea how much damage you do to your own cause. I bet you still haven't figured out why you lost your job or why your wife left you.
Tell us about it, Mr. Quote Miner.
I noticed that you refuse to address the air-tight evidence I present against you, which proves that you have NOTHING to say in your defense.
Why no defense, Brian?
Because you know I'm telling the truth.
You took my words OUT OF CONTEXT, and then proceeded to use the quote mined material, not just once, but on dozens of occasions.
Face it, Brian, you're finished. Once again, your "credibility" can be measured in negative engineering units.
Bottom line: You're a sick little psychopathic boy in a mans body--not to mention a coward and a prolific scumbag.
In fact, you'd need to look up to view the underside of a snakes belly.
Squirm Brian, squirm--you lying little weasel.
"Proof that you're a quote mining son-of-a-bith, Brian." -GutlessSpeller
Proof that all you do is 'bith' and moan at phantoms you like to call 'brian'.
What a douchebag...
"...I bet you still haven't figured out why you lost your job or why your wife left you."
Grasping at straws again--you cowardly little boy in a man body?
And what's this: Another 100% fact-free non-response, scumbag? Tell us about it, Mr. Quote Miner.
Is that all you have? Scurrilous speculation and bald-faced lies concerning my career and family life? If you know so much about me, Brian (and you know nothing, by the way), tell me my real name. Because if you can't tell me my real name, that's proof that your comments find their origin in your ass, not reality.
Pathetic.
So what my name, Brian?
Because without my name, you have nothing but speculation.
Squirm Brian, squirm--you lying little weasel.
Oh My!!
I can't really blame Marc though.
I had an office of psychiatrists fooled on this video too.
Still amazed at how ridiculous the court system is.
In an unprecedented event, I'm ordered to see a pyschiatric firm last May, costing the taxpayers $3000 AFTER sentencing.
I spend 4 hours one day taking an IQ test. 3 hours two weeks later talking to the pschiatrists.
And for what exactly??? The IQ tests confirmed what I already knew. I'm brilliant with a superior IQ.... and ... I'm no threat to society.
I was taken back when I 1st met the psychiatrist and he mentioned all my YouTube videos. He liked them and he thought I was funny.
OK...and.... why did the taxpayers throw $3000 down the drain? Just like everything else I've endured the past year...it was just stupidity and ignorance by pinheads in the courts.
Back to the video. I still can't figure out why they thought this was serious after my IQ came back so high. There must be some paranoid freaks out there that are smart.. I suppose.
So what my name, Brian? (SIC)
-Gutless Loser
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Coming from someone who sees 'Brian' everywhere, that's pretty funny.
GB IS Brian Good, and he's trying his best to make believers of the OCT look like complete idiots.
The lying little boy in a mans body dissembles, "...You admit that you said 'It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX' and then you claim that my statement 'You claimed it can't detect oxygen at all" is a lie because you didn't use the words 'at all'."
Wrong again, asshole.
I proved that you quote mined my statement and misrepresented my argument.
Keep reading my original post until you get it through your thick skull--you lying psychopath.
Here's what I wrote, Mr Quote Miner:
"...Steven Jones employed EDX to determine the composition of the "dust samples". It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX because oxygen emits very low energy X-rays--that is, ~0.4 keV or less.
"The bottom line: oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX, which explains why none of the "dust samples" show oxygen peaks (but that doesn't mean that oxygen isn't abundant in the sample). Jones, moreover, needs to subject his "dust samples" to Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen."
Thus, you are bleeding credibility and near blog death. Your credibility, once again, can be measured in negative engineering units.
Face it, Brian, you're finished.
Now, pick up your revolver, load it, put it in your mouth and squeeze the trigger.
But that will never happen because you're a coward, aren't you, Brian?
You're finished--you cowardly little boy in a mans body.
"...GB IS Brian Good, and he's trying his best to make believers of the OCT look like complete idiots."
Another 100% fact-free non-response, Brian?
Pathetic.
Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 troofers.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Enjoy your plate of crow, loser.
No doubt you're aware of this,
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-36199-Conspiracy-Examiner~y2010m8d3-AE911Truth-physicists-to-debate-World-Trade-Center-destruction-on-Coast-to-Coast-AM
Yes, Patrick, I know about the debate on Coast to Coast, just don't see much point in posting on it until a day or two beforehand. I'll have to come up with some sort of drinking game or bingo checklist for the prattle that Box Boy and Harrit will spew.
That would require friends, Pat.
Tell us about it, Brian.
Wait, what the fuck is that, are you fucking lying AGAIN about XEDS oxygen detection to some helpless anonymous? You hose bag. Such a shameless pathological liar. Keep calling 'em all 'Brian', btw, you delusional Klingon. There is but one solution for you Billy Boy. Get a brain transplant.
The Coast to Coast AM thing is a testament to how little is going on in TwooferLand.
Dave Thomas was first approached about this over two months ago. And the show is still two weeks away.
Folks, it doesn't take three months to book four people for a radio show. Clearly the 9-11 Truther debate show is a very low priority... for Coast to Coast AM. LOL.
Guitar Bill-And carefully listen to the video.Barry Zwicker makes up a new word: Endorsation.ROTFLMAO!
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny.
And the troofers trust this block head to get to the bottom of "the conspiracy"?Hilarious.
Seriously? You think he made up a new word? Your a liar, GuitarBill or a moron. Later on this page you state you 'did some research on the source for other microspheres'.
My God man how can any intelligent human being believe you or accept anything you say as fact when you can't even use dictionary.com to support your stupidity.
World English Dictionary
endorsation (ˌɛndɔːˈseɪʃən) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n( Canadian ) approval or support
Yeah, Barry is making up words. Your so fucking stupid, GuitarBill.
P.S. GB, here is your ass on a plate again from your friendly Anonymous Not Brian poster.
GB-Thus, no matter which amount is correct, fire alone cannot account for that quantity of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--period.
Holyshit welcome to truther ville. I'll correct you-a normal office fire can't account for the iron-rich spheres.
Now Billy, what do you think melted iron and steel according to the R. Lee report?
"Now Billy, what do you think melted iron and steel according to the R. Lee report?"
That's on you, brian.
What caused it?
"...Now Billy, what do you think melted iron and steel according to the R. Lee report?"
Fire, you fucking idiot.
Why must I answer the same questions, over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over again?
Do stupid conspiracy spewing fuckers know how to read?
I debunked this bullshit last month!
From the paper, titled Characterization of Combustion Residues from an MSW Incinerator, we find the following:
"...Combustion residues collected at different sites in the incinerator were different in term of size, composition, and morphology. This was due to ash formation processes (chemical
reaction, coagulation, chain agglomeration, condensation) as well as the transportation of
entrained fly ash with gas stream.
"Superheater deposits consisted mainly of spherical particles that have diameters ranging from 10 µm -60 µm. Common constituents were Ca, Si, Al, Fe and Zn.
"Particles in the heat exchanger ash and economiser ash were mostly entrained coarse fly ash. Larger and lighter particles were found more in economiser ash."
Source: Characterization of Combustion Residues from an MSW Incinerator.
Wikipedia wrote, "...According to the European Waste Incineration Directive, incineration plants must be designed to ensure that the flue gases reach a temperature of at least 850 °C (1,560 °F) for 2 seconds in order to ensure proper breakdown of toxic organic substances."
Source: Wikipedia: Incineration.
Thus, I've already proven that a 600 - 1000 degrees C fire is all that's necessary to produce iron-rich spheres. Jones claims that a temperature of 1536 degrees C is necessary to produce the spheres, but he's WRONG.
Incinerators produce the same results, and yield peaks for Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al. Spherical particles are present as well. The spherical particles range in size from ~50 um to 10nm. Thus, I would expect to find Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al in the ash. They are a naturally occurring byproduct of office fires and incinerators.
NOW FUCK OFF, MORON.
"...GB, here is your ass on a plate again from your friendly Anonymous Not Brian poster."
Clearly, you're so FUCKING STUPID that you couldn't hand a fifth grader his ass.
And "Canadian English" isn't English, as I proved here.
Again, FUCK OFF Alzheimer's patient.
Now, hurry asshole and claim that I didn't prove that you're a quote mining son-of-a-bitch.
What this--you cunt?
Source: SLC: Here's the proof that you're an intellectually dishonest quote mining son-of-a-bitch.
Again, FUCK OFF retard.
"...Wait, what the fuck is that, are you fucking lying AGAIN about XEDS oxygen detection to some helpless anonymous? You hose bag. Such a shameless pathological liar. Keep calling 'em all 'Brian', btw, you delusional Klingon. There is but one solution for you Billy Boy. Get a brain transplant."
What's this--you FUCKING RETARD?
Source: SLC: Proof that you're full-of-shit from ASPEX Corporation, a leading SEM/EDX manufacturer.
And what's this--you STUPID CUNT?
Source: SLC: Keep reading that last sentence until you get it through your thick skull, jackass.
Now, whose ass did you allegedly kick?
Again, you're so FUCKING STUPID that you couldn't hand a fifth grader his ass.
Poor GoiterBalls, ranting and raving on a cyber streetcorner on a Friday night. I hope your wife had more fun than you did, nutjob.
Hey, did you ever consider doing a standup comedy act?
That's the best you can do, shit-for-brains? I guess we can't expect much from an Alzheimers out-patient.
After all, when you've been DEBUNKED for the 1000th time, all a know-nothing conspiracy spewing retard can do is produce 100% fact-free nonsense.
Enjoy your plate of crow, charlatan.
Oh damn, I forget to garnish my last post with...well, you know.
%^)
Since you're like a stupid dog that craps on the living room rug, Anonymous, it's time to rub your nose in the pile of crap you shat all over creation.
Take it away, Angus...
Shot Down In Flames.
And, no competent nose smashing would be complete without--you guessed it--
You have the right to be my bitch.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Anonymous said...
Poor GoiterBalls, ranting and raving on a cyber streetcorner on a Friday night. I hope your wife had more fun than you did, nutjob.
Hey, did you ever consider doing a standup comedy act?"
And that has...what to do with 9/11?
Are you going to present an explanation as to why there were so many of the iron spheres?
OT:
Swedish truthers. Some music, some rap, some facial hair, some hugs, some lurv, someone with a megaphone screaming at about 16 truthers in black t-shirts;
http://www.911oz.com/
ALso went to the Swedish site and got this:
Fluoride
Bilderberggruppens
vaccinationsförsök
The Obama Deception
Ahmadinejad's at it again!
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/ahmadinejad-9-11-death-toll-was-exaggerated-1.306578
Say Bill. Apart from the fact that calibrating the XEDS equipment is the responsibility of the operator (Farrer) and apart from the fact that, if oxygen and carbon couldn't reliably be measured at all, it would have been reported in the FEI XL30-SFEG operation manual, which renders your argument moot (unreliable detection of N, O and C, would make this XEDS apparatus essentially useless) let me offer this for your consideration.
Please direct your attention to page 19 (not PDF page number, paper page number) of the Active Thermitic Materials paper, where you will find the following paragraph:
"To check the quantification method, tests were performed
with the known chemical, iron (III) oxide, and the elemental-
quantification was found to yield consistent and repeatable
results for iron and oxygen. In particular we made eight 50-
second measurements on Fe2O3 samples and found consis-
tency for iron (± 6.2%, 1 sigma) and for oxygen (± 3.4%, 1
sigma) with the O/Fe ratio consistently near 1.5 as expected."
Now, if your claim that oxygen cannot be "reliably" measured by the FEI XL30-SFEG is correct, then how do you explain "consistent and repeatable results" (with consistant, normal error margins) for a known oxygen containing substance such as Fe2O3?
Take your time. =)
Let me print that paragraph again, since something obviously went awry copying & pasting.
Source: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, page 19 (not PDF page number, paper page number):
"To check the quantification method, tests were performed with the known chemical, iron (III) oxide, and the elemental-quantification was found to yield consistent and repeatable results for iron and oxygen. In particular we made eight 50-second measurements on Fe2O3 samples and found consistency for iron (± 6.2%, 1 sigma) and for oxygen (± 3.4%, 1 sigma) with the O/Fe ratio consistently near 1.5 as expected."
Again, take your time.
The prattling science illiterate "truther" scumbag dissembles, "...Say Bill. Apart from the fact that calibrating the XEDS equipment is the responsibility of the operator (Farrer) and apart from the fact that, if oxygen and carbon couldn't reliably be measured at all, it would have been reported in the FEI XL30-SFEG operation manual, which renders your argument moot (unreliable detection of N, O and C, would make this XEDS apparatus essentially useless) let me offer this for your consideration."
"...the fact that..."
There you go again, giving lies advance billing as fact.
I don't give a damn what your operation manual should or shouldn't say, light elements like carbon, oxygen and nitrogen cannot be measured reliably by EDX--period.
Again, from the manufacturer:
ASPEX Corporation, a leading SEM/EDX manufacturer, wrote, "...And finally, there is sometimes a question as to whether the 'hype' of light element detection exceeds the practical value. For persons concerned with detection of elements such as beryllium, boron, and fluorine, the light element capability is decidedly helpful. However, the prospect of detecting oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon is the appeal for many users. The problem is that these latter elements are so ubiquitous in the environment that they will be found on almost any surface. Carbon, in particular is a contaminant that naturally builds up on surfaces during electron beam imaging. Accurate quantification of these elements is still a challenging proposition, even with a WDS spectrometer. Thus the utility of their detection may be considerably less than is first assumed."
Source: ASPEX Corporation: EDX.
Keep reading the last sentence until you get it through your thick skull.
Oxygen will bind to the surface of many materials, enhancing the oxygen peak. The result is that oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX--period.
And I don't give a damn what Jones wrote in his silly, bullshit paper. YOU CANNOT MEASURE LIGHT ELEMENTS--OXYGEN, NITROGEN AND CARBON--WITH EDX--PERIOD.
"To check the quantification method, tests were performed with the known chemical, iron (III) oxide, and the elemental-quantification was found to yield consistent and repeatable results for iron and oxygen."
That means absolutely nothing. And his claims are backed by what? Jones word?
LOL!
Sorry, I'll take the manufacturers word over Jones word any day of the week. Furthermore, it's obvious why Jones included that passage. Now pay attention, idiot. Jones included that passage because he knew DAMNED WELL that people with EDX experience would point out THAT YOU CAN'T MEASURE LIGHT ELEMENTS--OXYGEN, NITROGEN AND CARBON--WITH EDX.
Got it, stupid?
Go play in the freeway, jackass.
Now now Bill, no need to get so antsy. A conspiracy theory? So we're back to square one: you don't trust Jones and his co-authors *at all*, rendering all discussion of the Active Thermitic Materials paper essentially useless.
By the way, Aspex corporation is not the manufacturer of the FEI XL30-SFEG, that is, obviously, FEI.
Furthermore, in response to your remark:
"Oxygen will bind to the surface of many materials, enhancing the oxygen peak. The result is that oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX--period."
...I should direct you to page 9 of the Active Thermitic Material paper, which emphatically states:
"In order to more closely observe the characteristics of the red and gray layers, and to eliminate the possibility of surface contamination from other dust particles, several red/gray chips from each of the four WTC dust samples were fractured. The clean, cross-section surfaces were then studied by BSE imaging and XEDS."
Then you say something rather curious and extreme:
"YOU CAN'T MEASURE LIGHT ELEMENTS--OXYGEN, NITROGEN AND CARBON--WITH EDX."
So which is it? It can't be measured at all or it can't be measured reliably? Could you clarify that for me Bill?
There are other scientific papers using the same SEM equipment to detect oxygen. Yes, it's difficult to detect lighter elements, but this is an excellent spectrometer that can, if properly calibrated, properly detect carbon, nitrogen and oxygen.
And we haven't even discussed the key finding, mentioned on page 19:
"The abundant iron-rich spheres are of particular interest in this study; none were observed in these particular chips prior to DSC-heating."
I guess your only recourse here, as well, is to accuse Jones et al. of lying..because otherwise you truly don't have a leg to stand on.
The Fe2O3 calibration executed by Jones well covers your facile objections.
"...By the way, Aspex corporation is not the manufacturer of the FEI XL30-SFEG, that is, obviously, FEI."
Irrelevant. I don't care who manufactures the EDX/SEM. EDX cannot measure light elements--oxygen, nitrogen or carbon--with any degree of accuracy.
Read McCrone's Particle Atlas. The Particle Atlas is an authority on this matter. And the Particle Atlas makes it clear the the lightest element that can reliably measured by EDX is Na (Sodium)--period.
"...So which is it? It can't be measured at all or it can't be measured reliably?"
How many times must I tell you? Light elements cannot be measure reliably by EDX.
Read it again:
"...The bottom line: oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX, which explains why none of the "dust samples" show oxygen peaks (but that doesn't mean that oxygen isn't abundant in the sample). Jones, moreover, needs to subject his "dust samples" to Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen."
Why must repeat myself over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over again--you fucking retard?
I am so FED UP with GOD DAMNED BRICK HEADED TROOFERS THAT I COULD PUKE!
YOU ARE SO STUPID IT'S DISGUSTING.
DO YOU NEED INSTRUCTIONS IN ORDER TO BREATH?
"...There are other scientific papers using the same SEM equipment to detect oxygen. Yes, it's difficult to detect lighter elements, but this is an excellent spectrometer that can, if properly calibrated, properly detect carbon, nitrogen and oxygen."
Bullshit!
Again, read McCrone's Particle Atlas. What does McCrone advise when attempting to measure light elements like oxygen, nitrogen and carbon?
He recommends Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen. Why, you ask? Because it is imperative that you remove chemisorbed species to quantify elements like oxygen, carbon and nitrogen. Otherwise your measurements will be in error--inaccurate.
Got it, jackass?
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Continued...
"...I guess your only recourse here, as well, is to accuse Jones et al. of lying..because otherwise you truly don't have a leg to stand on."
Now we get troofer spin.
Jones has NO CREDIBILITY.
Why?
Because he's changed his "theory" three times now. So, which is it, thermite, thermate or "nanothermite"?
You realize that and ever-shifting rational is the defining characteristic of a liar. Right, jackass?
Furthermore, as I've already proven, "nanothermite" cannot cut 70 ksi steel columns (or any other column for that matter).
Simpson wrote, "...Energetic materials are made in two ways. The first is by physically mixing solid oxidizers and fuels, a process that, in its basics, has remained virtually unchanged for centuries. Such a process results in a composite energetic material such as black powder. The second process involves creating a monomolecular energetic material, such as TNT, in which each molecule contains an oxidizing component and a fuel component. For the composites, the total energy can be much greater than that of monomolecular materials. However, the rate at which this energy is released is relatively slow when compared to the release rate of monomolecular materials."
Source: llnl.gov: Explosive aerogels.
Keep reading the sentence highlighted in bold font until you get it through your head, troofer swine.
Thus, the best use of "nanothermite" is where minuscule, precise application of extreme heat (an exothermic reaction) is valuable--melting thin thermocouple wires, separation reactions, and the like.
Hence, Jones paper isn't worth the ASCII character he wastes to post it to the internet.
So don't hold Jones spitball of bullshit up as "proof" of anything.
Got it, fucktard?
Steven Jones wrote, "...Scaling to the 110-story WTC towers, roughly 1300 lbs [590 kg] of explosives per tower would suffice."
Source: journalof911studies.com: Why did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?
So, when will you explain how 3,900 lbs of "nanothermite" produced 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres?
And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of mass--you droolin' retard.
Again, go play in the freeway, idiot.
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"...The Fe2O3 calibration executed by Jones well covers your facile objections."
LOL!
That's right troofer, if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.
Now hurry, and completely ignore everything I've written about McCrone's Particle Atlas and Auger electron analysis--you stupid troofer. And be sure to hold Jones' discredited paper up as evidence again--you block headed cretin.
Or better yet, go play in the freeway.
Your arguments just don't stand up to scrutiny Bill, I'm sorry. I know you're passionate about the subject, but passion is no substitute for honesty and competence.
Besides, throwing all sorts of red herrings up isn't going to help you either. We were talking about the detectability of lower atomic numbers, such as oxygen and carbon.
You provide no compelling arguments why Jones successfully measured the correct ratio for iron (III) oxide, within a negligible error margin. This was the reference material.
So.. you're going to have to do better. Unfortunately, you can't: you can only claim Jones lied.
I'll be back later. Cya Bill.
Oh and by the way, the key finding (don't forget, this is the most important, Bill) is reported on page 19:
"The abundant iron-rich spheres are of particular interest in this study; none were observed in these particular chips prior to DSC-heating."
That's the key finding, Bill. Just so you know. Even if you were correct in your observations of the oxygen and carbon measurements, (you aren't), you'd still crash into the wall here: you're again forced to make the claim that Jones et al. lied.
Not very suitable for peer reviewed publication in Bentham, I'm afraid (something you promised you would do, but never delivered).
BBL.
Another 100% fact-free non-response, troofer?
That's okay, because that's precisely the response I expect.
And notice that, as I predicted, the stupid and dishonest troofer "completely ignore[s] everything I've written about McCrone's Particle Atlas and Auger electron analysis."
Thus, you lose the "debate" again, Brain, because, as I stated earlier, "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."
Notice that the troofer babbles about alleged "red herrings", but he offers absolutely not ONE example to substantiate his assertion.
Wind, hot air and bullshit, that's all the cretin has in his "arsenal".
Pathetic.
Conclusion: Another monumental failure for the 9/11 troofers.
The goober dissembles, "The abundant iron-rich spheres are of particular interest in this study; none were observed in these particular chips prior to DSC-heating."
Yes, and when a French scientist tried to reproduce the results of Jones experiments, HE FAILED, and complained that the samples were "deactivated".
Thus, you utterly fail again to support your argument. After all, Jones experimental results can't be reproduced; thus, his paper is BULLSHIT, WIND, GARBAGE and EFFLUENT.
Conclusion: Another monumental failure for the 9/11 troofers.
"Anonymous said...
Your arguments just don't stand up to scrutiny Bill, I'm sorry."
So what's your explanation?
"That's the key finding, Bill. Just so you know"
What's your explanation?
Inside jobby job all the way! I'm real smart, really I am.
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