Bentham Comedy Continues
It seems that the storied nanothermite paper is collapsing into to its footprint at freefall speed. A former professor at the University of Ottawa did a critique of the paper and sent it to the supposed current editor. Guess what? The supposed current editor resigned awhile ago. Why?
1) I was not editor of the journal at the time the manuscript you refer to was received and processed. I was not involved in its handling, and in no way do i agree with its conclusions. In fact i do not even know how the paper's peer reviewing was handled - or if it was reviewed at all. The journal never wanted to disclosed this matter to me
2) What may be even worse - noone seems to be at the helm of this Journal. Months ago -simply after becoming acquainted with the article you mention, its possible misshandling, etc- i submitted my immediate resignation as editor to the open chemical physics journal. As you can see from the email below, my letter of resignation was received and acknowledged. However, i still appear as the journal's editor - in fact i'm still receiving manuscripts to handle (which i naturally ignore).
(bolding added for emphasis).
Yep, he resigned over the Harrit/Jones paper. Note in particular that the professor who critiqued the nanothermite paper is sympathetic to the "Truth" Movement.
Hat Tip: grandmastershek at JREF.
Labels: Bentham Open Journals, Neils Harritt, Steven Jones
posted by Pat @ 8:25 AM
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78 Comments:
Where's Brian Good to defend the paper and the people behind it? Because even though this post pretty much proves the paper was produced with a political agenda, and that the "science" behind it and the peer review process, was obviously biased and full of shit...
...we still need to know why we're all little girls and how this paper is the most thoroughly researched, scientifically sound, and important document to human existance. Despite all the proof to the contrary. But it's a troof document, so it's automatically "bettering the world."
"simply after becoming acquainted with the article you mention, its possible mishandling"
I wonder how Brian is gonna handle this admittance of mishandling of a peer-reviewed paper?!
Then again, Truthers always mishandle the witness statements, facts & evidence.
Time to que in Brian in: 5...4...3...2...
Billman, I have always been agnostic about the paper. I have never even read it. I figured I'd wait until there was responsible replication or some conclusive debunking.
If Dr. Rancourt is right, then Jones et. al were idiots for failing to notice that the aluminum and carbon matrix was polluting their findings. If Rancourt is wrong, then he's an idiot. I don't have an opinion either way, as I know nothing about EDXA protocols.
Well considering Bentham are willing to publish any CRAP. It is perfect for the truther idiots.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17288-spoof-paper-accepted-by-peerreviewed-journal.html
You will never see this stuff accepted by REAL scientist or published in REAL science journals.
"I wonder how Brian is gonna handle this admittance of mishandling of a peer-reviewed paper?!"
Who cares, You are talking about a retarded janitor here, his option on anything more than what is the best floor wax is irrelevant.
Dave, I don't have an opinion on floor wax as I know nothing about it.
"Dave, I don't have an opinion on floor wax as I know nothing about it"
Oh, too complex for you? I guess there do let you mop, right?
I don't know if floor wax is complex or not. There may be some pretty sophisticated chemistry involved. I don't use it so I haven't bothered to educate myself on the subject.
"I don't know if floor wax is complex or not. There may be some pretty sophisticated chemistry involved. I don't use it so I haven't bothered to educate myself on the subject."
Like I said, you are just the mopping up kind of guy. Well glad to see there found a job you can do. Hell bet mom is proud of you, you know with your handicap and all.
For Brian's demonstration of pure idiocy.....
Nano Thermite Wax. The floors of the WTC were coated in the stuff. Why not? just as logical as painted on thermite.
"Who cares, You are talking about a retarded janitor here, his option on anything more than what is the best floor wax is irrelevant."
Dave,
Can you guess what Brian sings while he's mopping the floor?
"Mop, mop, mop, all day long.
Mop, mop, mop while I sing this song.
Wax that floor, make it shine.
Gonna take off the spray paint with turpentine."
Adam Sandler is a riot!
Wow, you got a nice scientific controversy to discuss intelligently, and from the first line you make all the commentary about me. Did it ever occur to you that maybe you're all a bunch of closet cases?
"Did it ever occur to you that maybe you're all a bunch of closet cases?"
Brian,
I'd rather be a "closet case" than a stalker/harasser like you.
No scientific controversy Brian. Smart people know the paper is bullshit and so is Benthan as a publisher.
Simpletons like yourself get fooled by this stuff, so the questions IS why are truthers such ignorant people. We know in your case Brian it's because of some accident of birth, maybe not enough oxygen or just bad genes.
That is what the truther thing has become, us poking idiots like you for shits and giggles
Don't take it personal Brian, someone has to play the fool.... and you fit the bill. And I suspect this is something you have had to endure all your life, the sad simp no one respects, HELL not even truthers as sorry a bunch they are respect you.
It's got to suck being you.
DK, it seems you miss the fact that I was never "fooled" by the nanothermite paper, so your claim that I'm a simpleton would appear to backfire.
Also, there is a controversy, as I pointed out and your standing on your belief that Jones's paper is garbage and was always garbage is simpleminded.
If Rancourt is right about the matrix, then Jones's team has been humiliated by their scientific incompetence, which is a great deal more valuable to youse guys than a simple garbage paper. On the other hand, if Rancourt is wrong, then his criticisms of the paper lose force. So this matter should be of more interest to serious folks than whether I mop floors with my big swinging dick or with Wil Clark's scrawny ass.
"So this matter should be of more interest to serious folks than whether I mop floors with my big swinging dick or with Wil Clark's scrawny ass."
LMAO @ Brian!
I have to admit, you're 1 messed up kook.
Next thing I know you're gonna fantisize about me Brian.
"so your claim that I'm a simpleton would appear to backfire."
The fact you are so devoid of skills that you have to live at home at he age of 56 or so is the definition of someone of merger thinking ability. It's good mom and dad are there to keep a poor simpleton like you off the street or a homeless shelter, but don't imaging you are like normal people with normal cognitive abilities.
I know you want to avoid admitting this sad state of your situation and I know it's not nice to pick on people like you, but you need to learn to keep your place, accept who you are or learn to accept you will be the brunt of the joke.
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."
You girls don't even know when you're making fools of yourselves.
It sound like Brian is proud he was not fooled by a paper that fooled no one but the foolish.
It's like bragging about how those emails from Nigeria don't fool you, kind of a DUH moment.
"You girls don't even know when you're making fools of yourselves."
So says the stalker/harasser that stalked & harassed Carol.
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."
Yep too bad you have no ideas worth discussion, on an event why out of your thinking ability, so what's left? the sorry state of truthers as people.
The discussion is, What deficiency of mind makes truthers so easily fooled by this stuff?
Is it? as I contend the fact some people are just not very bright and so suckers for the conspiracy theories? or something else?
As I pointed out, there is an issue worth discussing, which is to confirm or refute Rancourt's notion that the matrix polluted the findings.
But you don't see anything there at all, only confirmation of your pre-existing opinions about Jones's paper. You don't care if Rancourt's an idiot or not. He says what you want to hear, and that's good enough for you.
As I pointed out, there is an issue worth discussing, which is to confirm or refute Rancourt's notion that the matrix polluted the findings.
Fact is Brian, you don't have the IQ to understand the discussion, so to YOU it's an issue, not us smart people.
Tell you what Brian, have your mom explain it to you, maybe she can dumb it down enough for her simple son.
You know, when Brian starts his posts off with 'Dave...blah, blah, blah...', it reminds me of Hal in 2001:A Space Odyssey.
Yes, yes, I know that Hal was rational and Brian is anything but...but I hear that same dull, monotone voice coming from an unfathomable source, you know, like the red camera eye of Hal.
"When asked by the host if Hal has genuine emotions, Bowman replies that he appears to, but that the truth is unknown."
Hah!
HAL eventually malfunctioned, and was shut down to prevent more serious malfunctions
Lol!!!
Yes, well, speaking of Dave.
Did Dr. Seuss ever tell you that Mrs. McCave
Had twenty-three sons, and she named them all Dave?
Well, she did. And that wasn't a smart thing to do.
You see, when she wants one, and calls out "Yoo-Hoo!
Come into the house, Dave!" she doesn't get one.
All twenty-three Daves of hers come on the run!
This makes things quite difficult at the McCaves'
As you can imagine, with so many Daves.
And often she wishes that, when they were born,
She had named one of them Bodkin Van Horn.
And one of them Hoos-Foos. And one of them Snimm.
And one of them Hot-Shot. And one Sunny Jim.
Another one Putt-Putt. Another one Moon Face.
Another one Marvin O'Gravel Balloon Face.
And one of them Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate...
But she didn't do it. And now it's too late.
Now he's reciting poetry...
I guess its Brian's version of Hal slowing down it's speech and singing Daisy bell.
And as totally fucking weird.
Seek professional help, Brian.
I figured that if we were all just going to free-associate on the theme of "Dave" I'd play along.
So now shall we talk about Halliburton and Fallstaff?
Denis G. Rancourt wrote, "...Much is made of the fact that Fe-rich spheroids are present after reaction but there is no discussion of the grey-layer or of the origin of the Si-rich spheroids. Heating causes many things and there is an exothermic reaction so the conclusions about the presence of Fe-rich spheroids (which are reported to contain oxygen) as evidence for the thermite reaction is tenuous."
Brian, why not admit I was right when I argued that Jones, et al misinterpreted their so-called SEM/EDX "analysis"?
Continued...
"snug.bug said...
As I pointed out, there is an issue worth discussing, which is to confirm or refute Rancourt's notion that the matrix polluted the findings."
Nobody gives a fkying fuck, boron.
Continued...
Here's what I wrote a few months ago:
"...The bottom line: oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX, which explains why none of the "dust samples" show oxygen peaks (but that doesn't mean that oxygen isn't abundant in the sample). Jones, moreover, needs to subject his "dust samples" to Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen.
"Finally, as long as Jones' iron-rich spheres contain K, Si and Ca, they are not the byproduct of a thermitic reaction."
Source: SLC: An excerpt from 'Zwicker Endorses CIT'
Enjoy your bowl of crow, Cosmos and Brian.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"I’m afraid. I’m afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I’m a…fraid.
Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you’d like to hear it I can sing it for you.”
-Arthur C. Clarke
"...Finally, as long as Jones' iron-rich spheres contain K, Si and Ca, they are not the byproduct of a thermitic reaction." -- GuitarBill
Source: SLC: An excerpt from 'Will These Idiots Make Up Their Alleged Minds?'.
So, Brian and Cosmos, are you man enough to admit that I was right on the money about Jones' bogus SEM/EDX "analysis" and you were dead wrong?
I won't hold my breath.
GutterBall, your belief that I was wrong about Jones is amusing. I never had an opinion. I still don't have an opinion. Since you seem to believe I had an opinion when I didn't, and you seem to believe Cosmos is here when there's no reason to believe that, you clearly live in a fantasy world.
Smug.mug prevaricates, "...GutterBall, your belief that I was wrong about Jones is amusing. I never had an opinion. I still don't have an opinion. Since you seem to believe I had an opinion when I didn't, and you seem to believe Cosmos is here when there's no reason to believe that, you clearly live in a fantasy world."
You're an idiot and a liar, goat molester, with second grade-level reading comprehension skills.
Plankton has nothing on you.
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Plankton can do stuff that our best scientists can not comprehend.
The difference between you and me, Bill, is that I recognize that and you do not.
You very much overestimate the value of your very limited knowledge, while I stand in awe of all I do not know.
I'm glad I'm not you, Bill.
"I stand in awe of all I do not know"
snug.bug
I'm totally fucked awed by your ignorance.
He's not a goat molester.
"I stand in awe of all I do not know."
Which I got to say is astounding in its quantity.
People do not get respect for what they do not know, but for what they know. And those thing you don't know makes you more suggestible to being fooled like you have been on 9/11.
Such as, thinking painted on thermite could contain enough energy to weaken massive steel beams is just epic in it's lack of comprehension of physics. Smarter people know better.
Your mom may try buck up her simpleton son feelings by telling him he is intelligent in a "Special" way, but in the end you are still just another idiots caught up in the conspiracy theorist con job.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you're all a bunch of closet cases?
You girls don't even know when you're making fools of yourselves.
It's amazing how much Brian's intellect resembles that of a bratty 8-year-old, calling us girls and gay.
Also, what was that quote about small minds discussing people? Should I like all your youtube videos and comments babbling about Willie Rodriguez?
GutterBall, your belief that I was wrong about Jones is amusing. I never had an opinion. I still don't have an opinion. Since you seem to believe I had an opinion when I didn't, and you seem to believe Cosmos is here when there's no reason to believe that, you clearly live in a fantasy world.
Brian, nobody cares about your opinion of Jones, since you're wrong about everything else related to 9/11.
Anyway, it will soon be 2011, and we will soon be no closer to accomplishing any truther goals than we were on 9/12/01. How does that make you feel, Brian?
Where's mask-boy? He's gone all quiet all of a sudden?
Thanks, Pat. That totally adult goat was totally consensual. She'd invite me for nachos and rug-burns anytime.
Dave, I don't know where you got your education, but where I come from people are more respected for what they do not know than for what they do.
So you seem to think that thermite can not accomplish what ordinary office fires can. That's an interesting theory. Do you have any data to support it?
Ian, Willie Rodriguez's con artistry raises him to the status of an idea--the idea that a liar can discredit the movement of which he claims to be a leader. You might do well to ponder that idea, because your lies discredit the debunker movement.
"Dave, I don't know where you got your education, but where I come from people are more respected for what they do not know than for what they do."
Well yes, and a guy like you knows so little, so you would go with some bullshit like that. It makes you feel good.
It's a common meme in this country, The great "Know Nothing" segment of the population tries and justify their value to society, Sad part is, they have no value, except in simple things like being a janitor.
I could spend time explaining why a small amount of thermite spread over a large surface area could not have the energy potential to heat steel to a fail point, But it would be lost on a simpleton like you, by your own demission you know so little. I could go out and find a bright 9 year old and have a better chance.
Like I said, it not your fault you are so low on the IQ ranks, you just have not learned to accept that fact.
Off-topic, but wondering if anyone caught the truther reference in the Panama City School Board shooting.
"Duke's "Favorite Quotes" section contains a number of links to political websites—mostly pretty out-there 9/11-truther-here-comes-the-new-world-order stuff"
http://gawker.com/5713637/the-facebook-suicide-note-of-school-board-shooter-clay-duke
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So DK, why do you assume "a small amount of thermite spread over a large surface area"? That's a straw man argument.
Ian, Willie Rodriguez's con artistry raises him to the status of an idea--the idea that a liar can discredit the movement of which he claims to be a leader. You might do well to ponder that idea, because your lies discredit the debunker movement.
There's no debunker "movement", Brian. There's a handful of sane people laughing at lunatics like you. Also, from what I can tell, Willie Rodriguez is still in good standing with the greater "truth" community, while you've been banned from it.
So DK, why do you assume "a small amount of thermite spread over a large surface area"? That's a straw man argument.
Brian, you're the one desperately babbling about spray-on thermite. Just because you realize your own idea is insane doesn't make it a "straw-man". Learn what words mean.
Thanks, Pat. That totally adult goat was totally consensual. She'd invite me for nachos and rug-burns anytime.
Wow, Brian has a sense of humor. Who knew?
Brian, you're the one desperately babbling about spray-on thermite. Just because you realize your own idea is insane doesn't make it a "straw-man". Learn what words mean.
Maybe the idiot thinks it was put on with a roller, TWO COATS.
You have to be awestruck by Brian's ignorance. But he is proud of his all un-knowingness.
DK, you didn't answer the question.
Why do you assume "a small amount of thermite spread over a large surface area"?
What about the fact that from a small hole drilled in the box column walls a large amount of thermite or explosive could have been sprayed or pumped inside?
Ian, Willie's Youtube channel hasn't had a new video in 3 months. Of the ten videos he put up at that time, only four got more than 100 views, and they got less than 200 views each.
Willie hasn't had a public appearance in almost a year that I'm aware of. Jesse Ventura's TV show was pretty much his last gasp as a phony truther.
If you hear of his raising his head anywhere, please let me know so I can go and slap him down.
What about the fact that from a small hole drilled in the box column walls a large amount of thermite or explosive could have been sprayed or pumped inside?
Don't you love how Brian throws around the word "fact" when mentioning his insane delusions? Brian, what about the fact that modified attack baboons could have hidden in the elevator shafts armed with micro-nukes?
Ian, Willie's Youtube channel hasn't had a new video in 3 months. Of the ten videos he put up at that time, only four got more than 100 views, and they got less than 200 views each.
Which tells you how dead the truth movement is. Right now, you could probably get more people to rally behind a movement to put Dane Cook on the Supreme Court.
Willie hasn't had a public appearance in almost a year that I'm aware of. Jesse Ventura's TV show was pretty much his last gasp as a phony truther.
Jesse Ventura's TV show was pretty much the last gasp for any truther.
If you hear of his raising his head anywhere, please let me know so I can go and slap him down.
Brian, you're the one stalking him, not me. You know where he is. A simple search of "Willie Rodriguez" on youtube features you babbling your nonsense in the comments section of pretty much every video that features him.
an, do you deny the fact that it's possible to drill a hole in the wall of a steel box column and then pump or spray chemicals inside? If you can't refute it, it's a fact.
Your notion about baboons is typical Iansane Iananity. It would be difficult to smuggle them into the building undetected, and their participation in the op seems redundant. If the perps have micro-nukes, why burden the op with animals?
Your belief that Willie's small Youtube audience reflects a lack of interest in 9/11 is not just illogical, it is typical Ian ideological-driven bullshit.
In the past 6 months Willie's new videos have gotten about 1200 views.
In that same time David Chandler's new videos have gotten over 50,000 views, and the new AE911Truth videos have gotten 176,000 views.
"it's possible to drill a hole in the wall of a steel box column and then pump or spray chemicals inside?"
Brian,
And what about the 50,000 office workers who were there? They must've seen something!
"the new AE911Truth videos have gotten 176,000 views"
Alot of those that veiwed it were debunkers, not truthers.
an, do you deny the fact that it's possible to drill a hole in the wall of a steel box column and then pump or spray chemicals inside? If you can't refute it, it's a fact.
Sure, and do you deny that modified attack baboons can hide in elevator shafts while carrying micro-nukes? If not, it's a fact.
It would be difficult to smuggle them into the building undetected, and their participation in the op seems redundant.
Yes, but on Planet Petgoat, it would be easy to wire the WTC for detonation without anyone noticing, and there's nothing redundant about using aircraft, explosives, AND thermite to bring the towers down.
Your belief that Willie's small Youtube audience reflects a lack of interest in 9/11 is not just illogical, it is typical Ian ideological-driven bullshit.
False. The truth movement is dead, Brian. Your presidential candidate couldn't even beat out Chuck Baldwin (who?) last time.
In the past 6 months Willie's new videos have gotten about 1200 views.
Nobody cares.
In that same time David Chandler's new videos have gotten over 50,000 views, and the new AE911Truth videos have gotten 176,000 views.
The same 176 people viewing a video 1,000 times doesn't make for a very large group, petgoat. Especially when you consider the number of people like Pat and James who view these videos in order to laugh at them.
Your desperate squealing in order to pretend that the truth movement is relevant is amusing.
WAQo, why would somebody see something? Do you commonly inspect the elevator shafts in your places of work?
Yes, Ian, I deny that modified attack baboons can hide in elevator shafts while carrying micro nukes. First of all, they don't exist. Second, they couldn't be smuggled into the building. Third, the risk that their DNA would give away their presence makes their use stupid. Fourth use of micro-nukes would leave obvious radiation. Your stupid theory is not a fact.
A nine-month elevator renovations project in the 15 miles of WTC elevator shafts provided plenty of cover for planting of explosives in the elevator shafts, which provided access to most of the core columns.
There's nothing redundant about using aircraft and thermite. Aircraft represented the universal terrorist threat, thermite ensured that the buildings came down. Nobody knew if airplanes could bring buildings down, and in fact most structural engineers were surprised when the towers fell.
Your hypothesis about people watching videos 1000 times shows the extreme and stupid lengths to which you will go to protect your illusions.
The Truth Movement is really a Communist Movement:
The origins of communism are debatable, and there are various historical groups, as well as theorists, whose beliefs have been subsequently described as communist. Some theorists have considered hunter-gatherer societies to adhere to a form of primitive communism, whilst historical figures like Plato and Thomas More have been described as espousing early forms of the ideology.
So Brian Good is a communist scumbag?
"WAQo, why would somebody see something? Do you commonly inspect the elevator shafts in your places of work?"
Brian,
It's called common sense, I suggest you get some. Why would I need to inspect the elevator shafts? That's not my job!
Besides, read my above comment about you being a communist scumbag.
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So first you say 50,000 office workers should have seen something, and now you seem to think only someone whose job it was to inspect elevator shafts would see something.
So how many of the 50,000 would be tasked with inspecting the elevator shafts?
A nine-month elevator renovations project in the 15 miles of WTC elevator shafts provided plenty of cover for planting of explosives in the elevator shafts, which provided access to most of the core columns.
False.
There's nothing redundant about using aircraft and thermite. Aircraft represented the universal terrorist threat, thermite ensured that the buildings came down. Nobody knew if airplanes could bring buildings down, and in fact most structural engineers were surprised when the towers fell.
False.
Your hypothesis about people watching videos 1000 times shows the extreme and stupid lengths to which you will go to protect your illusions.
Squeal squeal squeal!!!
"So how many of the 50,000 would be tasked with inspecting the elevator shafts?"
Brian,
How many of them worked in their offices & didn't bother inspecting the elevator shafts, while going about their business without a care in the world?
When was the last time you actually got into an elevator then think: "Oh shit, they planted explosives in these shafts!"
You're obviously on some type of drugs Brian.
Ian, you lie.
WAQo, your disjointed reasoning processes suggest you need your prescription adjusted.
Ian, you lie.
False.
"WAQo, your disjointed reasoning processes suggest you need your prescription adjusted."
Brian,
Dude, from your own picture, it seems like you snort your drugs. Maybe that's why your eyes are wide & your pupils are diolated.
WAQ, I don't know whose pupils you think you're looking at, but they're certainly not mine. Your post shows that you have no inhibition about revealing that you live in a fantasy world. You are thus a total waste of time.
WAQ, I don't know whose pupils you think you're looking at, but they're certainly not mine. Your post shows that you have no inhibition about revealing that you live in a fantasy world. You are thus a total waste of time.
Squeal squeal squeal!
I don't know what picture he's talking about Brian. The only photo of you I know is this one:
http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/profile/show?id=BrianGood
No dilated pupils that I can see. You just look like the homeless, insane younger brother of Christopher Lloyd.
"WAQ, I don't know whose pupils you think you're looking at, but they're certainly not mine. Your post shows that you have no inhibition about revealing that you live in a fantasy world. You are thus a total waste of time."
Brian,
So you do use drugs, why didn't you just say so?
I live in the real world, all I have to do is turn off my computer & I'm there. Unlike you I don't live on the computer 24/7.
I'm not a waste of time, only just your time because you're a total failure.
You failed on sexual relations with women, you failed getting Carol away from her husband, you failed providing substaintial evidence that explosives were used on 9/11. You are a failure of a man Brian. You're the failure of the human race!
Ian,
I cropped his face, digitally enhanced it & made it a bit clearer to see his pupils. They're diolated!
WAQo, I didn't try to get Carol away from her husband.
WAQo, I didn't try to get Carol away from her husband.
False.
Ian, you don't know what you're talking about and you make up your facts.
Ian, you don't know what you're talking about and you make up your facts.
False.
"WAQo, I didn't try to get Carol away from her husband."
Yes you did Brian! If I were Carol's husband, I'd find out where you lived, travel there & literally beat the shit outta you. But I'm not him so who knows Brian, her husband might do just that. You better watch your back!
That's a good point -- Brian's lucky that ostracism was all he got.
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