Thursday, July 22, 2010

Will These Idiots Make Up Their Alleged Minds?

Over at 9-11 Flogger the latest claim is:

It Fell in Silence: The Collapse of World Trade Center 7


Whatever happened to Kevin McPadden's "ba-BOOM!"

Of course, that's not quite what "in silence" is supposed to mean in this particular instance. But why should the Troofers be the only ones allowed to quote-mine?

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At 22 July, 2010 19:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The first paragraph of the article is enough to make anyone puke.

Nathan Janes, prevaricator for 9/11 troof, wrote, "...Located just 300 feet from the North Tower,World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) was a forty-seven story steel framed building, which collapsed vertically in 6.5 seconds..."

There you go again with the "6.5 seconds" lie.

"...The widely publicized 9/11 Commission Report fails to mention the collapse of WTC 7 in its 568 pages."

That's right, Nathan, continue to pretend that the Final Report on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 was never written.

If nothing else the troofers are consistent. Consistently wrong, that is.

 
At 22 July, 2010 20:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man you been here all day.
What, no gigs or cyber criminals to
capture? I bet your wife and lovely daughters are pretty fed up with you and your truth obsession.

 
At 22 July, 2010 22:45, Anonymous paul w said...

OT, but talking of idiots, the Australian examples at 911oz recently had Niels Harritt for a lecture in Sydney.

Here's a quote from the blog about the lack of 'mainstream media' attention of the event:

"It is now more clear than ever that a culture of silence surrounds the science of 9/11 which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the Twin Towers and Building 7 where brought down using explosives and incendiary devices."

Batshit insane.

 
At 22 July, 2010 22:46, Anonymous paul w said...

http://www.911oz.com/

 
At 23 July, 2010 09:10, Blogger avicenne said...

"The first paragraph of the article is enough to make anyone puke."

The first paragraph? The first sentence is bad enough, - "Many Americans are unaware that three buildings within the World Trade Center complex fell on Sept 11, 2001."

Oh my God! Three buildings fell?! Jesus Christ, how did I miss that? Let's get this message out. The people need to know.

"Let's take back our country."

We're with you. But it won't be easy, because nobody actually gives a shit about vaporization temperatures, thermal expansion of support beams and the rest of the internet waffle you've decided to regurgitate.

 
At 23 July, 2010 11:06, Anonymous KDLarsen said...

I love how the twoofies keep bringing up 'zomg the 9/11 Commission didn't mention building 7!!!!1111', hell even that Dweets guy is using it as an argument.

Shows just how little 'research' they bother doing, when they can't get the fucking clue that the 9/11 Commission was dealing with intelligence failures, not building collapses.

 
At 23 July, 2010 12:09, Anonymous Pat Perjury Pardoner said...

Pat getting schooled in a debate with Jon Gold:

Curley: Uhh, nduhh, I’m not- I’m not apprehensiveness (sic) I think we all understand what happened today (sic), at least most of us do. Uhh you know, in terms of the NORAD thing, I think it’s unconscionable the way that they lied to the commissioners there, you know, I mean, that was uhh, youknow, something that they should have considered referring for criminal indictments, uh.. since they were under oath. I- I- I think that the mistake or the lie actually goes in the- in the- in the favor of the official story though, because it says that, you know, they didn’t know about these airplanes when they said they knew about them.

Jon Gold: Pat, You don’t know any more than I do why they lied, we just know that they did lie.

Curley: correct.

So Pat, when you acknowledged A. that NORAD lied, and B. your ignorance of why NORAD lied, why wouldn't you call that perjury? You've said it was because the lie was 'caught and corrected', but you can't give any other examples where perjury has been excused when lies are 'caught and corrected' post facto. Was it a crime to lie under oath or not? Make up your alleged mind, Piggy Scumbag!

 
At 23 July, 2010 12:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Trolling again, scumbag?

Stay on topic, or get the fuck out, psychopath.

 
At 23 July, 2010 13:37, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Pat Perjury Pardoner said..."

What the FUCK are you nattering baout now, liar?

 
At 23 July, 2010 13:45, Anonymous Pat the Pretengineer said...

"Stay on topic, or get the fuck out, psychopath."

"I'm a scientist! I don't need sources! I say it came from fly ash! What? A scientific report totally contradicts me? but I'm a SCIENTIST!! SCIENTIST!!! LIE-ENTIST!!! LIE-ENTIST!!

OINK OINK OINK
-GuiturdBalls

 
At 23 July, 2010 13:47, Anonymous Pat the Poor Prostitute said...

"It looked nothing like a controlled demolition" -R. Whackey

"Wet spaghetti noodles" Newton's Twit

"The column failed over 8 floors"

"I'm a big guy" -Pat Cowardly

"I'm a SCIENTIST!! NO REALLY! I don't need sources for ANYTHING!"
-GutSwill

 
At 23 July, 2010 13:50, Blogger Pat said...

Take the perjury charges up with the 9-11 Commission.

 
At 23 July, 2010 14:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat,

Why put up with this bullshit?

"Brian Good" is a troll--period. Toss him. Adios.

Another item for your consideration. Kindly address the "sock puppet" issue. Remove the "Name/URL" and "Anonymous" options.

Just my 2 cents.

 
At 23 July, 2010 15:53, Blogger Triterope said...

Many Americans are unaware that three buildings within the World Trade Center complex fell on Sept 11, 2001.

I think any person's reaction to that sentence would be "Three buildings? Gee, I remember a lot more collateral damage than that..."

This article pretends to introduce the reader to a broader view of the attacks, but it's really just promoting a different narrow view. It wants to you know that the 9/11 attacks destroyed other buildings... but only the ones they've cooked up conspiracy stories for. WTCs 3 through 6 don't count, I guess.

And the idea of a "silent WTC7" is fucking hysterical. WTC7 is about as silent as a Kardashian sister in front of an E! correspondent. WTC7 is all the Truther assholes ever talk about. They've been pimping it for years. "Google WTC7!" they screamed, on countless YouTube videos, black t-shirts, leaflets, free DVDs, web posts, and handwritten signs on overpasses.

9-11 Truthers are the only people who assign any importance to WTC7. If the world doesn't know about it, whose fault is that?

 
At 23 July, 2010 15:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yours.

 
At 23 July, 2010 16:12, Blogger Billman said...

GB, if we eliminate the Anonymous retards, then this blog becomes no better than their blogs, which heavily censor and mostly outright ban any comments other than moderators. Fuck that.

I for one, learn more from their hate-filled, arrogant, ignorant, racist, logically flawed, and in the case of Arhoolie non-sensical, comments on Pat and James post, than I do from any one of their circle-jerk posts on any one their own blogs or websites...

 
At 23 July, 2010 16:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Learning requires an open mind.

 
At 23 July, 2010 17:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Brian Good" wrote, "...Yours."

From Robert Hare's PCL-R Factor 1, core personality traits of psychopathy:

[8] Failure to accept responsibility for own actions.

Check

Brian Good continues, "...'I'm a scientist! I don't need sources! I say it came from fly ash! What? A scientific report totally contradicts me? but I'm a SCIENTIST!! SCIENTIST!!! LIE-ENTIST!!! LIE-ENTIST!!'"

Again, from Robert Hare's PCL-R Factor 1, core personality traits of psychopathy:

[3] Pathological lying

Check

FACT: Psychopaths are generally considered to be not only incurable but also untreatable.

FACT: Psychopaths must be removed from society by putting them into quarantine. This is the only proven course of action available to mental health care professionals that is guaranteed to protect the innocent from the psychopath's anti-social behavior.

I rest my case.

 
At 23 July, 2010 17:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 23 July, 2010 17:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Brain Good" wrote, "...Learning requires an open mind."

Tell us, what can we learn from a pathological liar?

 
At 23 July, 2010 17:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Brain Good" wrote, "...Learning requires an open mind."

LOL! That's rich.

Professor "Brain Good's" Syllabus.

Psychopathy 101: Introduction to Psychopathy and its practical application--Fall 2010.

Course Objectives: The goals of this course are to give you a background in psychopathy, and to understand psychopathy from a psychopath's perspective.

Prerequisites: A proven history of pathological lying with a desire to improve the student's core skill set.

Course Outline:

Week [1] The benefits of pathological lying;

Week [2] Elementary Pathological lying and its myriad applications;

Week [3] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: swindling;

Week [4] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: Sexual aggression and stalking;

Week [5] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: Lying without remorse;

Week [6] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: How to gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior;

Week [7] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: rationalizing;

Week [8] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: Con Artistry for fun and profit;

Week [9] Advanced pathological lying and its applications: Blaming someone else for your shortcomings.

Grading:

A = 4.0 = 92.5% +

A- = 3.67 = 89.5% - 92.4%

B+ = 3.33 = 86.5% - 89.4%

B = 3.0 = 82.5% - 86.4%

B- = 2.67 = 79.5% - 82.4%

C+ = 2.33 = 76.5% - 79.4%

C = 2.0 = 72.5% - 76.4%

C- = 1.67 = 69.5% - 72.4%

D = 1.0 = 59.5% - 69.4%

F = 0.0 = 59.4%

"...You can learn a lot from a psychopath."

 
At 23 July, 2010 19:51, Anonymous Marc said...

This place never fails to entertain.

Maybe WTC7 fell silently because they used nano-lube. Brian Good would probably have a lot of experience with nano-lube.

As far as NORAD goes,if some kid at CENTCOM sent WikiLeaks thousands of classified cables and documents, then how is it that not one person from NORAD has come forward to refute the "Official Story"? Once again the inability to graps basic facts to shape opinon display for everyone the insantiy of troofers everywhere.

 
At 24 July, 2010 06:39, Anonymous Arhoolie's Kitchen said...

I guess this is Whining Weekend here at the World Headquarters of the Debunker Cult.Led by the insane "Git" on his out of tune,expensive guitar,the wailing has reached epidemic proportions.It's probably just another one of those coincidences that as soon as someone posted a transcript of the completely bamboozled Paddy melting down,the cry for relief from those horrible "anonymi" became pronounced.Talk about shitheads that can't take the heat!!! The Yuppie Plonker has clearly been eating moldy bread and drinking fermented apple juice.

 
At 24 July, 2010 10:09, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Babbling again, ArseHooligan?

It must be internet day at St. Elizabeth's Hospital.

 
At 24 July, 2010 12:36, Blogger Billman said...

Learning requires an open mind.

Says who? Then how do you explain people who have had their closed minds opened by something new they have learned?

Your rehtorical platitudes are moronic and don't have any point other than to troll.

Though, you're welcome to try again.

 
At 24 July, 2010 12:40, Anonymous Pat Churlatan said...

"Take the perjury charges up with the 9-11 Commission." _Pat Cowardly

Translation: I concede my humiliating defeat to you. It WAS perjury, and I'm terrified to admit that honest researchers are 100% correct about this. Now leave me to my infantile shit-slinging: I'm not interested in facts.
- Pat the Perjury 'Pologist

 
At 24 July, 2010 12:48, Anonymous GutterSwill the Porker said...

Jon Gold: Pat, You don’t know any more than I do why they lied, we just know that they did lie.

Curley: correct.


Oh SNAP, that must have hurt.

Do you still have nightmares about that exchange, Pathos? When exactly does unconscionable become illegal in your world?

 
At 24 July, 2010 12:52, Anonymous Caped Curley Crippled said...

"if some kid at CENTCOM sent WikiLeaks thousands of classified cables and documents, then how is it that not one person from NORAD has come forward to refute the "Official Story"?"

-A great reason to avoid facts that may be inconvenient to your worldview, to avoid researching them. Can't argue with that "logic", young boy!
Huzzah for your intellectual curiosity, parasite.

 
At 24 July, 2010 13:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Trolling again, scumbag?

 
At 24 July, 2010 15:01, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Trolling again, scumbag?"

I'm not sure if he is, because the last few comments left here, like rabbit turds on a lawn, make no sense at all.

 
At 24 July, 2010 15:47, Blogger Triterope said...

Yours.

** facepalm **

 
At 24 July, 2010 16:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this is Whining Weekend here at the World Headquarters of the Debunker Cult.Led by the insane "Git" on his out of tune,expensive guitar,the wailing has reached epidemic proportions.





Amazing that "Git" can find time to play his guitar since he is on this website 24/7, so important it would seem that he devote his whole life to proving our side wrong. If we are so insane as he claims, why would he not just ignore us?

Anyway, since he's a scientist (ROFL), perhaps he can explain where in John Cole's new vid over at 911Blogger, Cole is in err? Or perhaps Issac Newton is in err?

Which is it GuitarSchmuckHead, is Issac newton all wrong or do you want to explain how Cole's analysis that the collapse of the buildings is inconsistant with Newton's laws somehow not correct.

Explain how and why the collapses are consistent with Newton's laws and where Cole has erred in claiming that they are not.

Your a scientist, and I await your response.....scientist.

Otherwise as Frank Zappa says, shut-up and play your guitar.

 
At 24 July, 2010 16:10, Blogger Triterope said...

John Cole's new vid over at 911Blogger, Cole is in err?

That's easy: it's posted on 911 Blogger.

 
At 24 July, 2010 16:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Which is it GuitarSchmuckHead, is Issac newton all wrong or do you want to explain how Cole's analysis that the collapse of the buildings is inconsistant [SIC] with Newton's laws somehow not correct."

What was that spelling bee champ?

"...Your [SIC] a scientist, and I await your response.....scientist."

And you're an illiterate.

Take your idiotic video and shove it up your ass, psychopath.

 
At 24 July, 2010 16:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Triterope wrote, "...That's easy: it's posted on 911 Blogger."

Precisely.

 
At 24 July, 2010 16:36, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" If we are so insane as he claims, why would he not just ignore us?"

Because poking the crazy people with sharp sticks as theey gibber in their cages is ever so much fun.

As an added bonus, exposing the insane twoooofers™ to reality and facts just drives them further and further into their fucktard delusions.

Plus the childish outbursts of anger and pique are amusing.

 
At 24 July, 2010 17:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Pat doesn't seem to get it that the inconsistencies between McPadden's "BOOM!" and the silent collapse are exactly why we need a new investigation.

 
At 24 July, 2010 18:29, Blogger Triterope said...

the inconsistencies between McPadden's "BOOM!" and the silent collapse are exactly why we need a new investigation.

LOL. Good one.

 
At 24 July, 2010 18:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...What Pat doesn't seem to get it [SIC] that the inconsistencies between McPadden's 'BOOM!' and the silent collapse are exactly why we need a new investigation."

No "inconsistencies" (logical or otherwise) can be found in that sentence, right spelling bee champ?

 
At 25 July, 2010 06:40, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
What Pat doesn't seem to get it that the inconsistencies between McPadden's "BOOM!" and the silent collapse are exactly why we need a new investigation."

Why doesn't your head collapse under the weight of all that stupidity?

At free fall speed.

 
At 25 July, 2010 06:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pat,

Why put up with this bullshit?

"Brian Good" is a troll--period. Toss him. Adios.

Another item for your consideration. Kindly address the "sock puppet" issue. Remove the "Name/URL" and "Anonymous" options.

Just my 2 cents."


Somebody call the Wambulance!

 
At 25 July, 2010 07:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Brian", shove your "wambulance" up your ass.

Better yet, act your age not your IQ.

 
At 25 July, 2010 08:35, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"wambulance"

Brian can't even spell Whaaambulance.

Moron.

 
At 25 July, 2010 08:44, Blogger Triterope said...

Somebody call the Wambulance!

Are you the same Anonymous who just blamed the complete eight-year failure of your movement on a handful of Internet posters? Talk about needing the whaaambulance.

 
At 26 July, 2010 09:51, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

"...eight year failure of a movement"?!? So,you're obsessed with failure,are you,Dogboys? Keep coaching yourself to believe that shit,dumbass and it might just become true! If the mainstream,establishment media wasn't such a conspiracy to misinform,you'd be "truthers" yourself!! Ah,the dopey Debunker Cult:Whiny and insane,plus Nico Haupt!

 
At 26 July, 2010 10:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Babbling again, oatmeal-for-brains?

Tell us, ArseHooligan, did you sniff glue as a child?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 26 July, 2010 15:07, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim Hoffman says the iron spheres in fly ash are oxides while the iron spheres in the dust are elemental iron.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

 
At 26 July, 2010 15:07, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

Stepping up to illustrate the point:the shithead "Git".The guy just absolutely sure the 9/11 crowd is crazy.And spends fifteen hours a day engaging with them!!! P.S. knucklehead,thanks for linking us that proof that Sackerfuffle is a loopy,insane bullshit artist!

 
At 26 July, 2010 15:54, Blogger Triterope said...

So,you're obsessed with failure,are you,Dogboys?

We'd have to be to follow 9-11 Truth as much as we do.

 
At 26 July, 2010 16:16, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie Vanunu said...
Stepping up to illustrate the point:the shithead "Git".The guy just absolutely sure the 9/11 crowd is crazy.And spends fifteen hours a day engaging with them!!! P.S. knucklehead,thanks for linking us that proof that Sackerfuffle is a loopy,insane bullshit artist!"

The desacrilization of the real
displaces the fallacy of autonomous phenomena, yet a hastily published paper on the relationship between the desacrilization of the real and the fallacy of autonomous phenomena ultimately does not hold water.

 
At 26 July, 2010 16:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The psychopath dissembles, "...Jim Hoffman says the iron spheres in fly ash are oxides while the iron spheres in the dust are elemental iron."

Lying again, psychopath?

Hoffman wrote, "...'Debunkers' have proposed that the iron-rich spheres were fly ash residues embedded in the Towers' concrete, ignoring that the iron constituents in fly ash are oxides rather than elemental iron. How will they explain away the bi-layered chips, whose red layers have iron oxide and elemental aluminum in the ratio of Fe2O3 thermite as nano-sized particles of uniform shape?"

Get your lies straight, psychopath.

Hoffman conveniently forgets to tell us that iron (Fe) is used in paint and electronic devices, to give just two of many examples. Hoffman also neglects to tell us that Steven Jones retracted his thermitic reaction hypothesis [exothermic reaction: Fe2O3 + 2Al => 2Fe + Al2O3] (Today, it's "nanothermite", which wasn't even in the development stages in 2001).

Hoffman wrote, "...whose red layers have iron oxide."

Fly ash is composed primarily of aluminium oxide, Al2O3, and iron oxide, Fe2O3. All together tons of Fe2O3 was found on the debris pile and Manhattan. The dust samples (including Jones' dust samples) are composed primarily of Fe2O3 and small amounts of Fe (elemental iron).

So much for Hoffman.

Now, go play in the freeway, psychopath. And next time, try to get your lies straight before you make a fool of yourself.

 
At 26 July, 2010 16:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And by the way, an iron-rich sphere doesn't equal "elemental iron" (Fe).

Photographic source: Wikipedia: Fly ash iron-rich spheres.

 
At 26 July, 2010 16:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GutterBilge, with all your pseudo-scientific blather, you never address the point that both the fly ash spheres and the bi-layer chips are iron oxide, but Jones' spheres in the dust are elemental iron.

 
At 26 July, 2010 16:48, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Watch Jones' thermite experiment fail.

Source: YouTube: 911 truth burn--failure.

 
At 26 July, 2010 17:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The psychopath dissembles, "...GutterBilge, with all your pseudo-scientific blather, you never address the point that both the fly ash spheres and the bi-layer chips are iron oxide, but Jones' spheres in the dust are elemental iron."

Steven Jones employed EDX to determine the composition of the "dust samples". It is well known that oxygen doesn't show up in EDX because oxygen emits very low energy X-rays--that is, ~0.4 keV or less.

The bottom line: oxygen is not reliably measured by EDX, which explains why none of the "dust samples" show oxygen peaks (but that doesn't mean that oxygen isn't abundant in the sample). Jones, moreover, needs to subject his "dust samples" to Auger electron analysis, which does not use X-ray emission to detect elements like oxygen.

Finally, as long as Jones' iron-rich spheres contain K, Si and Ca, they are not the byproduct of a thermitic reaction.

Your problem, psychopath, is that you don't have the education to discus this subject. Moreover, you don't know how to think like a scientist, as you've demonstrated repeatedly (cut-and-paste doesn't count, charlatan).

Now, go play in the freeway, psychopath.

 
At 26 July, 2010 18:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

What's that I hear from the troofer camp?

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

ROTFLMAO!

Shot Down In Flames.

 
At 26 July, 2010 19:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The following sentence, "...Your problem, psychopath, is that you don't have the education to discus [SIC] this subject," should read as follows:

"...Your problem, psychopath, is that you don't have the education to discuss this subject."

Obviously, my notebook's keypad is giving up the ghost. I'll order a replacement keypad tomorrow.

Sorry. My bad.

 
At 26 July, 2010 19:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"An FEI XL30-SFEG scanning electron microscope (SEM) was used (...) The microscope was also equipped with an EDAX X-ray energy dispersive spectrometry (XEDS) system."

Source: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

"This instrument includes an EDAX Phoenix EDS system and a TexSEM Laboratories EBSD system. The EDS (energy dispersive xray spectroscopy) system can be used for elemental analyses and is capable of detecting carbon, nitrogen and oxygen."

Source:
FEI XL30-SFEG Scanning Electron Microscope

 
At 26 July, 2010 19:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And yes, the chips show oxygen peaks.

(Do I hear crickets?)

 
At 26 July, 2010 19:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just dropped by to duh-bunk GayTurdBull, bye now, I can't be bothered duh-bunking every single one of his foolhardy, pseudoskeptic claims.

If GayTurdBull says anything, just assume the opposite is true. If he claims water is wet, demand that he cite reliable sources to back it up.

Cheers! =)

<3

 
At 26 July, 2010 20:21, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The psychopath dissembles, "...And yes, the chips show oxygen peaks."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for proving that I'm right, scumbag.

ROTFLMAO!

In order for Jones to claim that elemental Fe was found in the sample, he needs to show that no oxygen was present in the sample. Jones' initial samples, which were analyzed by EDX, showed an absence of oxygen--that is, no oxygen peaks. The initial absence of oxygen is why he claimed to have found elemental Fe.

Got it, cretin?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"...Just dropped by to duh-bunk GayTurdBull, bye now, I can't be bothered duh-bunking every single one of his foolhardy, pseudoskeptic claims."

Projecting again, 'tard?

Clearly, you're such an idiot that you don't understand the thrust of Jones argument. In fact, you're so stupid that you PROVED MY POINT.

Good job, psychopath.

So, what were you saying about "If GayTurdBull says anything, just assume the opposite is true"?

I'll return later, I have to leave for my Monday night gig.

Until then you've been...

Shot Down In Flames.

 
At 26 July, 2010 20:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Here's more proof that you're full of shit.

Jones et al wrote--and I quote--"...The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."

Thus, by Jones admission, aluminium oxide (Al2O3) and iron oxide (Fe2O3) were present in the samples. And I quote--"grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures."

Fly ash--you idiot--is aluminium oxide (Al2O3) and iron oxide (Fe2O3). Furthermore, fly ash particles are generally spherical in shape and range in size from 0.5 µm to 100 µm.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Have a nice evening, troofer.

Once again, you're...

Shot Down In Flames.

 
At 26 July, 2010 20:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Bill Bill, read the "Conclusions" section of the ATM paper again and stop pretending to be a scientist. It's embarrassing. A while ago, you promised to publish a paper in Bentham OCPJ, since you said it was a vanity and a pay-for-play journal. You promised money to finance this foolhardy endeavor. It never materialized, did it? That's because you're a shameless, full-blown bullshitter and a loser in life. I reckon you'll be screaming some more, but I don't care, really. It's like debating a bum with a "The End Is Nigh" sign around his neck. Deep down, you know you're just looking for attention.

 
At 26 July, 2010 20:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So, what did Jones find in his "dust samples"?

He found aluminium oxide (Al2O3) and iron oxide (Fe2O3), which proves that he found fly ash.

Moreover, two groups of troofer "scientists" tried to reproduce his results, but were unable to do so.

Thus, they were unable to reproduce Jones claim that "[t]he red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You're nothing but a charlatan, psychopath.

As I said before, you should sue that junior college for malpractice.

Shot Down In Flames.

Okay, I'm out of here, I've got to get to work.

 
At 26 July, 2010 21:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 26 July, 2010 21:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The Bentham paper is not peer reviewed, cretin. So don't hold that piece of garbage up as "evidence".

A properly peer reviewed paper is submitted to the scientific and engineering community, not a group of your fellow troofers.

Thus, more fraud.

You're an idiot. Not only are you completely ignorant in terms of Jones argument, you failed to understand my argument and then you proceeded to prove my point.

ROTFLMAO!

Keep reading Jones words until you get it through your thick skull, liar: "...iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

He found fly ash, and you're too stupid to grasp the obvious.

Now, go play in the freeway, charlatan.

 
At 27 July, 2010 02:14, Anonymous ManhattanMike said...

I`ll settle this argument right now.
I was there that fateful morning.
We all heard the explosions. Case closed. I`m sick of you bastards pretending you know shit. If you weren`t there, shut your mouth.
Thank you.

 
At 27 July, 2010 02:47, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'I was there that fateful morning.
We all heard the explosions. Case closed. I`m sick of you bastards pretending you know shit. If you weren`t there, shut your mouth.
Thank you.'

Bull. Shit.

http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm

 
At 27 July, 2010 04:56, Blogger Triterope said...

I'll settle this argument right now. I was there that fateful morning. We all heard the explosions. Case closed. I`m sick of you bastards pretending you know shit. If you weren't there, shut your mouth. Thank you.

What's your point?

 
At 27 July, 2010 07:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Notice that Brian Good doesn't want to discuss the presence of the Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al found in Jones' samples. You'll recall,

"...Finally, as long as Jones' iron-rich spheres contain K, Si and Ca, they are not the byproduct of a thermitic reaction." --GuitarBill

Have a look at Jones paper, titled "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," specifically page 19, Figure 16. Notice the Si peak. The Si peak is extremely important because Si is common to ash samples obtained from office fires.

Additionally, incinerators produce the same results, and yield peaks for Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al. Spherical particles are present as well. The spherical particles range in size from ~50 um to 10nm. Thus, I would expect to find Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al in the ash. They are a naturally occurring byproduct of office fires and incinerators.

Source: Characterization of Combustion Residues from an MSW Incinerator.

Thus, Jones' conclusions are erroneous. He failed to eliminate all the naturally occurring spherical particles that are common to office fires, for example, Si, Fe, K, Fe, Ca, and Al. Hence, it's safe to conclude that Jones needs to properly account for the presence of these elements before he leaps to the conclusion that the particles could only be the result of a thermitic reaction.

 
At 27 July, 2010 08:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"ManhattanMike"?

Another sock puppet, Brian?

Tell us, Brian, what does an "explosion" sound like? For example, can you differentiate an "explosion" from the east penthouse as it plummeted through WTC 7's roof and smashed into the floors below?

I don't think you can make that distinction. Think about it for a moment.

That said, like Jones, you're jumping to conclusions.

 
At 27 July, 2010 09:00, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" ManhattanMike said...
I`ll settle this argument right now.
I was there that fateful morning.
We all heard the explosions"

No you didn't.

 
At 27 July, 2010 10:05, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

On center stage the Debunker Cult will attempt to explain that nobody heard explosions down there that day!!! Sorry folks,this charade is sold out.

 
At 27 July, 2010 15:47, Blogger Triterope said...

Have a look at Jones paper, titled "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," specifically page 19, Figure 16. Notice the Si peak.

Christ, you mean Brian doesn't even know what's in Jones' paper? Oy.

 
At 27 July, 2010 19:06, Anonymous paul w said...

"Many Americans are unaware that three buildings within the World Trade Center complex fell on Sept 11, 2001."

And equally numerous are those who are unaware that many buildings were badly damaged and had to be pulled down.

As I was.

So?

 
At 28 July, 2010 00:36, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'On center stage the Debunker Cult will attempt to explain that nobody heard explosions down there that day!!!'

Yeah, Walt. And you've really got a wife and two kids as well. And your ex was a dancer. And you lived in the UK in 1995 (or was it 1997). And you never posed as 'A Real Veteran'. And Abdulmalek Rigi was a CIA agent, just like the Iranians said. And Mohamed Atta could teleport. And the WTC towers were destroyed by exploding paint etc etc

 
At 28 July, 2010 02:56, Anonymous ManhattanMike said...

You assholes can believe what you want. i KNOW WHAT I HEARD.
Most of the crowd that was watching the towers smoke were evacuated before they fell .
I still being in uniform hung out to see if i could help. Then it happened. Sounded like the fourth of july encore. At the time no one knew what the hell was going on. We just ran. We were told that it collapsed, due to fires.
I sick to death that i didnt speak sooner. Fuck you all that dont believe me.

 
At 28 July, 2010 04:13, Blogger Triterope said...

A guy named Mike?

Claiming to be a uniformed worker of some sort?

Insisting inside jobby job because he heard explosions?

Why does this sound familiar?

Oh, yeah:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/02/some-of-this-might-be-true.html

 
At 28 July, 2010 06:00, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'You assholes can believe what you want. i KNOW WHAT I HEARD.'

Yeah, and the Son of Sam heard voices in his head as well.

'Most of the crowd that was watching the towers smoke were evacuated before they fell.
I still being in uniform'

What uniform? Who are you claiming to be with?

'hung out to see if i could help. Then it happened. Sounded like the fourth of july encore. At the time no one knew what the hell was going on. We just ran. We were told that it collapsed, due to fires'.

So you didn't actually hear any explosions then. You just heard a building collapse.

'I (sic) sick to death that i didnt speak sooner. Fuck you all that dont believe me.'

If you're a New Yorker, and you were part of the emergency services (as you claim), how come you type English like a flid?

 
At 28 July, 2010 09:43, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"ManhattanMike said...
You assholes can believe what you want. i KNOW WHAT I HEARD."

Obviously you don't.

 
At 28 July, 2010 09:45, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"What uniform? Who are you claiming to be with?"

He was just back from three years in Iraq.

 
At 28 July, 2010 09:48, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I sick (sic) to death that i (sic) didnt speak sooner."

You speak the well English. You've been in the country a long distance!

"Fuck you all that dont believe me."

Back at ya, pal, back at ya.

 
At 28 July, 2010 11:38, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie Vanunu said...
On center stage the Debunker Cult will attempt to explain that nobody heard explosions down there that day!!!"

It WAS heard by Mark Fuckin' Lane.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!

 
At 28 July, 2010 12:42, Anonymous Arhoolie V,the Pornboy Masher said...

You're a regular riot,there Norton!! Anything on that birthday cake and Holy Bible that Ronnie the Dumbass sent to Ayatollah Khomeini (between multi-ton shipments of cocaine into the USA)?

 
At 28 July, 2010 13:28, Blogger avicenne said...

"I sick to death that i didnt speak sooner."

Why? You'd have received the same reaction your belated intervention is getting now. What do you think would have happened had you spoken out? The secret government conspiracy would have been exposed?

 
At 28 July, 2010 17:31, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Mark Fuckin' Lane.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!

 
At 28 July, 2010 17:32, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

You got Kennedy's brain, assholio?

 
At 29 July, 2010 07:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That brain is worth more blown to bits than your brain is in full "operation".

 
At 29 July, 2010 08:12, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunui said...

So,how many thousands of tons of cocaine did the Reagan Administration import into the US during their reign of terror,Ollie?

 
At 30 July, 2010 03:41, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

You tell me, Arseholie. And you tell my why you can't get any of your stories about your life straight as well.

 
At 30 July, 2010 10:48, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

Poor,poor pitiful Sackdoily.

 
At 30 July, 2010 10:48, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

Poor,poor pitiful Sackdoily.

 
At 31 July, 2010 05:05, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Poor,poor pitiful Sackdoily.'

That was a moronic remark the first time round, Walt. No need to repeat it twice.

How's your dancing girl doing?

 
At 31 July, 2010 13:34, Anonymous GIGOBull said...

GIGOBull, you claim that "oxygen doesn't show up in EDX", and yet Dr. Jones's XEDS traces seem to show Oxygen very well. Do you have a cite to support your claim?

 

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