Sunday, January 09, 2011

J.O.N.E.S. Back from the Dead

The Journal of 9/11 Studies, which at one time announced that it was no longer going to publish, since truthers supposedly had made so many inroads to mainstream scientific journals that it had worked itself out of a job, has posted its first paper in 9 months. This paper, brace yourself, argues that AA77 hit the Pentagon. Gasp. Leave it up to the truthers to take 9 years to come up with the conclusion that everyone else figured out within about 20 minutes of the event. Next up on the horizon, a scientific study concluding that water is wet, and the Pope is Catholic....

All kidding aside though, I am not one for predictions, but I will predict that the next year or two in the nutjob community will evolve into a Civil War between the no-planer CIT, Rob Balsamo Pilots, David Ray Griffin, Loose Change crowd and the Planer Journal and 911 Blogger crowd, with the reality agnostics like Gage's group switching sides like a fickle Afghan warlord whenever the balance of power suits them.

Hey, at least schisms are entertaining. These guys have been pretty boring lately.

Update: I suppose I should also point out, since troofers will inevitably argue that Legge is one of the rational scientific fact-based members of the truth movement, that in a previous paper he, among other things, argued for those magical invisible GI Joe anti-aircraft systems hidden in the roof of the Pentagon. The paper has since changed of course, since even after passing "peer review", the paper underwent 7 rounds of revision.

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At 09 January, 2011 13:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

James B., that's an astute analysis. Yes, the war between the fact-based wing of the truth movement and the "credibility is over-rated" school has been building up for some time, and we're headed for an imminent show-down IMHO.

We may soon see that liars like Kevin Barrett, Willie Rodriguez, and the Citizen Investigation Team have embarrassed and disappointed their prestigious endorsers long enough that they will be dumped in the trashbin. It should have happened years ago.

 
At 09 January, 2011 13:54, Blogger Triterope said...

Actually, it has been dumped in the trashbin... along with the rest of the 9-11 Truth movement. You guys are just fighting over the side of the bin that doesn't have crud stuck to the bottom.

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Well TR, since it was years ago that polls showed that only 16% of Americans believed the government was telling the truth about 9/11, I guess that's a pretty big dumpster box you've got for us there.

Congratulations on your fearless stand with the elite who think Saddam Hussein did it.

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:21, Blogger Triterope said...

polls showed that only 16% of Americans believed the government was telling the truth about 9/11

...so 84 percent of Americans don't believe the government is telling the truth about 9/11. Is that what you're trying to say?

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:31, Blogger Triterope said...

This paper, brace yourself, argues that AA77 hit the Pentagon. Gasp. Leave it up to the truthers to take 9 years to come up with the conclusion that everyone else figured out within about 20 minutes of the event.

It's clear what they're doing though -- the paper is a response to CIT claims.

One group asserts that the plane approached from a direction which would not have permitted it to create the observed straight line of damage through the light poles and inside the Pentagon. This assertion is based on the group’s discovery of 13 eyewitnesses who allegedly place the course of the plane to the north of the former Citgo service station.

Gee, who could that be?

The question is, why does another faction in the Truth movement feel compelled to write a detailed response to CIT loonies? And why now?

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:40, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

16% of Americans believed the government was telling the truth about 9/11,

18% think the sun revolves around the Earth.

So if 16% is true it would only show 16% of the American public are as dumb as Brian Good. And I bet if you or I were to meet one of these people they would believe me after I educate them on both the Sun and 9/11.

You on the other would be recognized for what you are, a mentally dim 56 year old janitor.

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:43, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Come on Brian you know 16% is the best truthers can get to believe what they say.

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:43, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

And what is it 4.3% buy the controlled demolition scam?

 
At 09 January, 2011 14:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

TR, the reason Dr. Legge feels it necessary to slap down the CIT loonies is because they got endorsements from some prominent truth movement people and their flaky flyover hypothesis was recently featured on the Jesse Ventura TV show.

 
At 09 January, 2011 15:04, Blogger Ian G. said...

Well TR, since it was years ago that polls showed that only 16% of Americans believed the government was telling the truth about 9/11, I guess that's a pretty big dumpster box you've got for us there.

How do you rate the performance of the McKinney administration so far?

Congratulations on your fearless stand with the elite who think Saddam Hussein did it.

Poor Brian, he's babbling so much he can't even create good straw men.

TR, the reason Dr. Legge feels it necessary to slap down the CIT loonies is because they got endorsements from some prominent truth movement people and their flaky flyover hypothesis was recently featured on the Jesse Ventura TV show.

And nobody cares. We just find all the schisms and excommunications in this cult to be highly amusing.

 
At 09 January, 2011 15:17, Blogger James B. said...

There is a fact based wing of the 9/11 truth movement? I haven't met him yet.

 
At 09 January, 2011 15:41, OpenID jrebori682 said...

There is a fact based wing of the 9/11 truth movement? I haven't met him yet.

He wears a bright red winter suit, long white beard, comes around once every year in late December.

 
At 09 January, 2011 16:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Yes, James B., there is a fact-based wing of the truth movement--for instance the ones who recognize that of the 300 questions sent to the 9/11 Commission by the 9/11 widows, only 27 were answered--the ones who recognize, as Pat acknowledged, that NORAD lied their ass off to the Commission, that Philip Zelikow's egregious conflicts of interest and Condi Rice's blatant perjury made a joke of the Commission, and who recognise that NIST's dissimulation makes their reports inadequate to explain what happened on 9/11.

 
At 09 January, 2011 16:46, Blogger Triterope said...

there is a fact-based wing of the truth movement--for instance the ones who recognize that of the 300 questions sent to the 9/11 Commission by the 9/11 widows, only 27 were answered

So the fact-based wing of the 9-11 Truth movement is... Brian Good.

That explains a lot.

 
At 09 January, 2011 17:01, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Fuck your "300" questions Bwian.

They only answered 27 of them because those were the only questions that were relevant to the attacks.

I read the questions and most of them are political theater/bullshit. Just because a 9/11 widow asked them doesn't automatically mean she deserves to be humored with an answer.

Worse, many of the questions are not questions at all; they are allegations. Since 9/11/2001 most all of those 300+ questions have been answered. Just because you don't like the answers is your problem.

We've already established that you don't give a fuck about the widows because you have no interest in presenting your volumes of "Evidence" to the propper authorities. You have claimed that it would do no good but the truth is that you are both a coward and liar. Others in the troof movement have actually tried to get their day in court, talked to important people, and while they were laughed out of the room at the end of the day they made an honest attempt.

You've done what exactly?

You made disparaged your Congressional representative, and from your rant it was obvious that you've never actually been to her office (or maybe you're no longer allowed within 100 yards).

Either way you are a fake, a blow-hard, and for all of the mindless bullshit you post here you have never actually tried to make a difference beyond dressing up like Gay Fukes and stalking a fellow troofer.

You are in this for the chicks aren't you. Troofers are stupid thus easy to impress. Then you found out that while chicks dig guys in uniform it turns out that your janitor's jumpsuit isn't the turn on that you'd thought it would be. So you hang out here, because you are a pariah within the troofer community, and we're the only people ON EARTH who will even talk to you.

It sucks to be you, Bwian.

 
At 09 January, 2011 17:26, Blogger paul w said...

"Leave it up to the truthers to take 9 years to come up with the conclusion that everyone else figured out within about 20 minutes of the event."

Lol!!!!

This CIT thing is creating an enormous fuss in the aussie-based 911oz site as well.

The non-CITs talk about the CITs causing harm to their 'scientific, fact-based' research.

Beyond parody.

 
At 09 January, 2011 17:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

Mywon Gwegowy Fawwis, you say the unanswered questions are irrelevant to the attack.

Question 2 is to George Bush: "Who was in charge?"

Question 4 was "Why was our nation so utterly unprepared?"

In what way are those irrelevant to the attacks?

If the questions were inappropriate, then the widows deserve a respectful explanation of why they're inappropriate.

Why should I go to authorities who have already demonstrated their total lack of interest in the issues? There's no need to improve upon the case that justicefor911 took to Eliot Spitzer. What's needed is work to change public opinion and that's what I do.

I have been to my Congressional Rep's office many times and many of her town hall meetings. She's a disgusting political hack, a poster girl for the decline of this democracy.

Kevin Barrett is not a truther. When he got an interview on Russia Today he lied 4 times in the first 4 minutes. I dressed up like Guy Fawkes to lampoon and intimidate him--and it worked.

I have never worn a janitor's jumpsuit. I come here because sometimes I get good leads (like the stuff about the microspheres in fly ash) and because somebody has to call your silly bluffs.

 
At 09 January, 2011 17:41, Blogger Triterope said...

Why should I go to authorities who have already demonstrated their total lack of interest in the issues?

Then why do you keep coming to us? Our lack of interest is just as great.

 
At 09 January, 2011 18:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

'Cause when I start to get discouraged about stupidity in the truth movement, then a look at your ignorance and inability to rub two logical propositions together does more to boost my faith in it than anything else I could do.

 
At 09 January, 2011 19:01, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What's needed is work to change public opinion and that's what I do.

How many minds have you freed so far?

 
At 09 January, 2011 19:30, Blogger paul w said...

"James B., that's an astute analysis."

You're not fooling anyone, Brian.

 
At 09 January, 2011 20:04, Blogger James B. said...

Kevin Barrett is not a truther. When he got an interview on Russia Today he lied 4 times in the first 4 minutes.

Which makes him a truther.

 
At 09 January, 2011 20:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, that makes him a lie-er.

 
At 09 January, 2011 20:35, Blogger Ian G. said...

Why should I go to authorities who have already demonstrated their total lack of interest in the issues? There's no need to improve upon the case that justicefor911 took to Eliot Spitzer. What's needed is work to change public opinion and that's what I do.

Wait a minute, I thought you had 84% of the public on your side?

Brian, maybe you should outsource the whole "change public opinion" part, since you've failed abysmally at it here.

I have been to my Congressional Rep's office many times and many of her town hall meetings. She's a disgusting political hack, a poster girl for the decline of this democracy.

Translation: she ignores me because I'm a babbling lunatic with no issues that are worth her time.

Brian, I could go to my congresswoman demanding investigations into allegations that Elvis rules the world from a secret lair on top of Mt. Rainier, but I shouldn't expect her to take me seriously.

Kevin Barrett is not a truther.

False.

 
At 09 January, 2011 20:36, Blogger Ian G. said...

'Cause when I start to get discouraged about stupidity in the truth movement, then a look at your ignorance and inability to rub two logical propositions together does more to boost my faith in it than anything else I could do.

Says the failed janitor, liar, and sex stalker who was thrown out of the truth movement.

Well, if it helps you to sleep at night to babble here and declare victory, I guess that's OK. I still think you should seek professional help.

 
At 09 January, 2011 20:36, Blogger James B. said...

Which is pretty much the definition of a truther. The name has always been used in an ironic way. Sort of like how you call the 300lb lineman from your highschool football team "slim" or your pothead neighbor "Einstein".

 
At 09 January, 2011 22:18, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"Question 2 is to George Bush: "Who was in charge?"

Question 4 was "Why was our nation so utterly unprepared?"

Seriously?

Just tell me that you had been out of the country since 1991, and that you had been in seclusion at a Tibenan monastary.

First off Bush was in charge. The President is never out of contact with the NSC ever.

For your second question, do you not recall the draw-down of our defense forces beginning in 1993? All of those military base closures? The realignment of the overall force structure? No more SAC, MAC, or TAC. There would be consequences for this.

We'll come back to this...

Then there was the Church Committee fallout. Strick lines were drawn mandating which agencies could spy inside the US and which ones could not. This was constantly re-emphasized every decade that followed. Even after 9/11 we saw Congress try to tighten the reigns once again. The consequence was that there were HUGE gaps in our national security.

Then there was the Aldridge Ames fiasco of 1994. The Clintin Admin ordered the FBI to investigate the CIA. This would lead to the bad blood between those two agencies that affected the results of Alec Station.

Then there was the problem that went all the way back to 1979. You know, that who US Government not taking terrorism seriously problem. Terrorism was a law enforcement problem. This was great for dealing with White Supremist groups, but it was a problem for international terror groups like Al Qaeda. Richard Marcinko detailed the many problems that the DoD and the Federal Government had dealing with terrorism in his 1992 book "Rogue Warrior".

There are dozens of other reasons. Most of them have to do with an optimistic world view and a wish for peace.

 
At 09 January, 2011 22:41, Blogger Triterope said...

'Cause when I start to get discouraged about stupidity in the truth movement, then a look at your ignorance and inability to rub two logical propositions together does more to boost my faith in it than anything else I could do.

So the 9-11 Truth movement is stupid, but we're even more stupid. And our extreme stupidity reinforces your faith in the mildly stupid.

My God, Brian, it must be such a burden to live in a world where everyone is so inferior to you. How doooooooo you deal with it?

 
At 09 January, 2011 23:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

M Greg, what you're missing is that the widows don't want your answers. They want official answers from an official investigative body. They didn't get them.

The 9/11 Commission Report You Make Up as You Go Along is not going to cut it with them.

 
At 10 January, 2011 02:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Smug.mug whines, "...I have been to my Congressional Rep's office many times and many of her town hall meetings. She's a disgusting political hack, a poster girl for the decline of this democracy."

Yo goat molester! I know know Congresswoman Anna Eschoo, and you're not fit to wipe her behind for a living.

The goat molester continues, "...I come here because sometimes I get good leads (like the stuff about the microspheres in fly ash)..."

Oh my God, I've created a monster. I knew that I would regret any effort to educate a troofer. My bad.

 
At 10 January, 2011 03:52, Blogger Garry said...

'the war between the fact-based wing of the truth movement and the "credibility is over-rated" school has been building up for some time'

There is a 'fact-based wing' of the troof movement? That's like saying that there are Nazis who don't really have anything personal against Jews, or members of al-Qaeda who have a few issues with US foreign policy.

 
At 10 January, 2011 06:44, Blogger Ian G. said...

M Greg, what you're missing is that the widows don't want your answers. They want official answers from an official investigative body. They didn't get them.

And nobody cares.

The 9/11 Commission Report You Make Up as You Go Along is not going to cut it with them.

The 9/11 commission report was good enough for me, James, Pat, Triterope, and Guitar Bill. 5 > 4. Your "widows" lose, Brian. HA HA HA HA!

 
At 10 January, 2011 07:32, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

'Cause when I start to get discouraged about stupidity in the truth movement, then a look at your ignorance and inability to rub two logical propositions together does more to boost my faith in it than anything else I could do.

Now you know what more moderate truthers think when they come here and see your idiotic ramblings.

 
At 10 January, 2011 08:35, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"....of the 300 questions sent to the 9/11 Commission by the 9/11 widows...."

And guess what, Boron?

Nobody gives a flying fuck.

 
At 10 January, 2011 08:38, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"If the questions were inappropriate, then the widows deserve a respectful explanation of why they're inappropriate."

They weren't inappropriate. They weren't appropriate.

They were stupid, and nobody gives a flying fuck about the.

 
At 10 January, 2011 08:42, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"M Greg, what you're missing is that the widows don't want your answers. They want official answers from an official investigative body. They didn't get them."

And nobody still doesn't give a flying fuck what the "widows"
want or don't want.

 
At 10 January, 2011 09:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

See what I mean? All I have to do is stand back and let you turkeys show who you are. Damn, if this was my blog I'd ban the lot of you. You're hurting your own case.

 
At 10 January, 2011 09:25, Blogger Bill said...

Kevin Barrett is not a truther.

And the Pope isn't a real Christian. Same stupid arguments.

 
At 10 January, 2011 09:40, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Damn, if this was my blog I'd ban the lot of you.

Don't worry about it Brian, you are not smart enough to start a blog. If you didn't live with mom and dad you wouldn't even have a computer.

Stick to the mop and bucket stuff.

 
At 10 January, 2011 09:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

No it's not the same argument. Barrett's lack of concern for truth is obvious in his actions, his statements, his lousy scholarship, and his lies.

He told me he's so busy he doesn't have time for fact-checking.

 
At 10 January, 2011 09:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dave, where did you get the idea that I'm a janitor? I'm just curious about how your mind works. Ian says so, so it must be true?

 
At 10 January, 2011 12:45, Blogger sabba said...

@Guitarbill, look who I found posting with a fake ID at Pumpitout.com Forum. No other than Willie's Bitch, Brian Good. His id id:"A Storm is coming", I guess he still gets the erections everytime we mention Rodriguez. See here:http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3470565/2/
So lets add this new Id to his chest of sock puppets.

 
At 10 January, 2011 15:27, Blogger Ian G. said...

See what I mean? All I have to do is stand back and let you turkeys show who you are. Damn, if this was my blog I'd ban the lot of you. You're hurting your own case.

What "case"? We're just laughing at you and your delusional babbling.

No it's not the same argument. Barrett's lack of concern for truth is obvious in his actions, his statements, his lousy scholarship, and his lies.

No, it's exactly the same argument. The truth movement is a religious cult that has its schisms just as all religions do. You must be the equivalent of the Mormons or something, since no other truthers accept you in the group.

Dave, where did you get the idea that I'm a janitor? I'm just curious about how your mind works. Ian says so, so it must be true?

No, the truthers say it's so, and since they know you well, I'll take their word for it.

Also, you're not a janitor. You're an unemployed lunatic.

 
At 10 January, 2011 16:25, Blogger Ian G. said...

Another thing I've noticed with Brian over the years is how he reacts to statements about himself.

If you say something like "Brian wants to have sex with Kevin Barrett" or "Brian sniffs glue", he'll tend to ignore it.

But point out that he's petgoat, and he asks "Where did you get the idea that I'm petgoat?". Point out that he stalked Carol Brouillet, and he asks "where did you get the idea that I stalked Carol Brouillet?"

So if something isn't true about Brian, he'll ignore it. However, if something is true, but embarrassing, he'll play his cutesy game of "where did you get the idea", where he denies it.

So....

Dave, where did you get the idea that I'm a janitor?

Brian is (or was) a janitor.

Seriously, Brian, you're just too easy. Your mind isn't up to par with those of the rest of the people who post here.

 
At 10 January, 2011 18:09, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

The thing is that the questions are not representative of all the 9/11 families, and because of the massive loss of life the 10% rule comes into play.

The questions about why the nation as unprepaired are self-explanitory. There had been warnings going back to the 1980s which were either ignored, or even ridiculed.

That the fringe element of the widows don't understand this is their problem. It's not that I'm unsympathetic, it's just that their tragedy does not excuse their ignorance of current events and recent history. Just because you never read a newspaper or watched 60 Minutes between 1980 and 9/10/2001 should not warrent a multimillion dollar investigation to tell them something that is already known.

The other problem is that most of the questions have nothing to do with the attacks. The pipeline to the Black Sea? The Bush family's relationship to the bin Laden family? Names of covert operatives in charge of counter terrorism at CIA? None of those things has anything to do with the events of 9/11.

Period.

So why answer questions that have no bearing on the attacks? Even more important is why ask them to begin with?

The backround factor that lead to the intelligence failures WAS pointless investigations of the CIA and FBI in the past. Nobody wanted to stick their neck out because nobody wanted to be hauled before a House committee for violating some invisible barrier, or some suspected terrorist's civil rights. These investigations were spurred on by the snug bugs of the country who see conspiracy in everything.

So Brian YOU are to balme for 9/11. You and people like you.

So I expect to see your public apology to the 9/11 Widows soon.

 
At 10 January, 2011 21:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, since none of your accusations are true, my request for your evidence has nothing to do with their lack of truth. It has to do with the repetition. If you repeated the accusation that I sniff glue as often as you repeat some of the others, I would ask for your evidence of that.

So why do the questions have to be representative of all the familes. Most of the families are apathetic--so what?

Again, the widows are not interested in your historical analysis. They are interested in answers from an official investigation. They are interested in accountability. And your claim that we were unprepared because we've been ignoring warnings for 15 years is not an answer either. I guess you missed the chapter "The System was Blinking Red". Why were warnings from 13 foreign countries, 3 FBI offices, and the CIA ignored? The Mossad even named names!

The question about the pipeline is relevant, the widows explain, because the Clinton administration's plan to attack al Qaeda had been on hold while pipeline negotiations went on. That has everything to do with 9/11.

Why ask the questions? Well, maybe because the widows wanted to know why their husbands wound up stepping out of 100th floor windows?

Al Qaeda had already done the USS Cole attack and the Embassy bombings and the 1993 attack and the scope to investigate those suspected of connections to al Qaeda was there. James Bamford said that the CIA was not only permitted to share information about al Mihdhar and al Hazmi with the FBI, they were obligated by law to do so.

I'm not to blame for 9/11. I didn't ignore the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo and George Tenet and Richard Blee and Richard Clarke and Hart and Rudman. Cofer Black said of Condi "We did everything but pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head."

Where'd you learn to spell, anyway?

 
At 10 January, 2011 22:16, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, since none of your accusations are true, my request for your evidence has nothing to do with their lack of truth. It has to do with the repetition. If you repeated the accusation that I sniff glue as often as you repeat some of the others, I would ask for your evidence of that.

And here is janitor petgoat the sex stalker's pathetic response. At least he didn't call us "girls".

Where did you get the idea that I say you sniff glue? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that?

Again, the widows are not interested in your historical analysis. They are interested in answers from an official investigation.

Nobody cares what your "widows" are interested in, petgoat.

Al Qaeda had already done the USS Cole attack and the Embassy bombings and the 1993 attack and the scope to investigate those suspected of connections to al Qaeda was there.

So we're back to "al Qaeda did it" Brian? Maybe you should tell the other snug.bug who babbles about thermite to stop it.

I'm not to blame for 9/11. I didn't ignore the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo and George Tenet and Richard Blee and Richard Clarke and Hart and Rudman. Cofer Black said of Condi "We did everything but pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head."

So basically, you believe bin Laden did it and you're angry that incompetence on the part of the government helped al Qaeda succeed. OK, that's fine. I'm on your side then. Just please stop babbling about thermite being sprayed on the towers by unwitting elevator repair men.

 
At 10 January, 2011 23:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

So Pat wants NORAD held accountable for lying and you want Bush held accountable for his incompetence. I'd welcome you to the truth movement but, like Kevin Barrett, you discredit any cause with which you associate so I'm not going to. We don't want you.

 
At 11 January, 2011 05:50, Blogger Ian G. said...

So Pat wants NORAD held accountable for lying and you want Bush held accountable for his incompetence. I'd welcome you to the truth movement but, like Kevin Barrett, you discredit any cause with which you associate so I'm not going to. We don't want you.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

"We" don't want you? Who is "we", Brian? There's only you: a deranged liar, sex stalker, and failed janitor who babbles about thermite and smoldering carpets all day. Kevin Barrett says you've been thrown out of the truth movement. How pathetic does one have to be to get thrown out of a religious cult?

 
At 11 January, 2011 09:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I didn't get thrown out of anything. You don't know what you talk about and you make up your facts.

 
At 11 January, 2011 10:32, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, I didn't get thrown out of anything. You don't know what you talk about and you make up your facts.

My, such squealing!

Brian, you were thrown out of Richard Gage's group for using an AE911Truth e-mail address to stalk Carol Brouillet. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that you were thrown out of the movement.

Can you name a single truther who will endorse your membership in the movement? Mostly, I see truthers in good standing, like Barrett and Rodriguez, denouncing you. I can't find anyone who defends you.

 
At 11 January, 2011 11:36, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

polls showed that only 16% of Americans believed the government was telling the truth about 9/11

Brian,

You do realize that online polls don't count.

 
At 11 January, 2011 11:51, Blogger Bill said...

I am curious just how many people think the following:
The 9/11 Commission was a farce.
The NIST investigations was a farce.
That explosives(or whatever the thermite of the week is) brought down the 3 WTC buildings.

Of course we could keep hiding behind the ever precise association fallacy of, "the government lied".

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:27, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, where do you get the idea that I was thrown out of Richard Gage's group?

Oh, by the way, ask Willie how was his South Africa tour and how come there's no evidence of it on the internet.

Barrett a member in good standing? CIT does not cite his endorsement, though they cite Bruno Bruhwihler's. What does that tell you?

What makes you think I need defense? A bunch of liars lie about me. So what?

WAQo the NYT/CBS poll of 2006 was not an internet poll. It found that only 16% think the government told the truth.

See wiki article: September 11 attacks opinion polls

(or learn to google)

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:41, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, where do you get the idea that I was thrown out of Richard Gage's group?

From Richard Gage. I think he would know what he's talking about.

Oh, by the way, ask Willie how was his South Africa tour and how come there's no evidence of it on the internet.

You ask him. You're the one who's the obsessed lunatic babbling about the man 24/7, remember?

Barrett a member in good standing? CIT does not cite his endorsement, though they cite Bruno Bruhwihler's. What does that tell you?

That the truth movement is a bunch of religious kooks who excommunicate each other. However, I'm sure CIT and Barrett would both agree that you've been banned from the movement. HA HA HA!!!

What makes you think I need defense? A bunch of liars lie about me. So what?

So the truth movement is full of liars? Yes, I agree. However, I think they're telling the truth about you. Your insane actions here seem to confirm things.

 
At 11 January, 2011 14:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I was not thrown out of Gage's group. You are a liar. Willie and Kevin are liars too, and I have demonstrated it many times.

Willie lies when he claims his key saved hundreds. The people were not locked in, and the survival rates on his floors were no higher than those on floors he didn't reach.

Kevin has lied many times, most obviously in claiming that he lost a tenure track job--when he never had a tenure track job and never will.

 
At 11 January, 2011 15:10, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, I was not thrown out of Gage's group. You are a liar. Willie and Kevin are liars too, and I have demonstrated it many times.

False. You were thrown out of Gage's group for stalking Carol Brouillet. I don't need Barrett and Rodriguez (who are always right about, incidentally) to tell me this.

Willie lies when he claims his key saved hundreds. The people were not locked in, and the survival rates on his floors were no higher than those on floors he didn't reach.

Nobody cares.

Kevin has lied many times, most obviously in claiming that he lost a tenure track job--when he never had a tenure track job and never will.

Nobody cares.

And let's remember that Barrett and Rodriguez are successful, esteemed truthers who have done many speeches, appeared on TV, etc. and have gotten the word out.

You, on the other hand, are a babbling liar who was thrown out of the truth movement.

 
At 11 January, 2011 18:13, Blogger Triterope said...

WAQo the NYT/CBS poll of 2006 was not an internet poll. It found that only 16% think the government told the truth.

For fuck's sake Brian, "84 percent" has been a running joke here for years.

 
At 11 January, 2011 20:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie. It's irrational for you to claim nobody cares that Kevin and Willie are liars--when clearly you rely on them for your claims about me.

For you to make libelous remarks about someone you don't know, not caring that those you rely upon for your information are conflicted and proven liars is highly irresponsible.

 
At 11 January, 2011 21:26, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, you lie. It's irrational for you to claim nobody cares that Kevin and Willie are liars--when clearly you rely on them for your claims about me.

Nobody cares that they're liars, Brian, because they tell the truth about you.

For you to make libelous remarks about someone you don't know, not caring that those you rely upon for your information are conflicted and proven liars is highly irresponsible.

"Libelous"? Brian, telling the truth about someone isn't libel. It's the truth that you're a failed janitor and sex stalker who posted at DU as "petgoat" and that you were kicked out of Richard Gage's group.

Yes, Rodriguez and Barrett are liars, but so are you. They, at least, still have some standing in the "truth" movement..

 
At 11 January, 2011 21:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, all I need to know about Willie's standing in the truth movement is that he hasn't had a gig in the USA since 2009 (and it flopped, despite the presence of Daniel Sunjata), his last gig that got any notice was in Paraguay in 2009, he could not get anyone to buy him an airline ticket so he could attend the Australia conference in 11/09, and that when he announced to the San Francisco truth email group that he was leaving to tour South Africa, not one person on the 270-person list wished him a public bon voyage.

I wouldn't claim credit for this state of affairs--Willie created it all himself. But it's pretty obvious that he blames me for it.

 
At 11 January, 2011 23:49, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Bith Brian Good Says:Ian, all I need to know about Willie's standing in the truth movement is that he hasn't had a gig in the USA since 2009 (and it flopped, despite the presence of Daniel Sunjata), his last gig that got any notice was in Paraguay in 2009... Constantly lying eh bitch? WR Has been all over Europe and getting newspaper coverage. You still do not know how to use google bitch?,
You lie about his last gig being on 2009 and you know it. Your masturbation poster boy have been very busy indeed. I see that he may not even post his future events just to pre-empt debunkers or stalkers like you, I think the second must be the real reason so he has an upper hand against you trying to disrupt his bs, and he may not even need the people in USA when he can sell his spiel to others gullible people around the world.

he could not get anyone to buy him an airline ticket so he could attend the Australia conference in 11/09...
and of course we have to believe you. were is your evidence, post it. We know one thing for sure Brian, you got also kicked from Australia's 9/11 group. Your forum posting has been a cause of laugh for them and you have been also banned there. Here look for yourself bitch: http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=372
Remember bitch? you were told to take your sexual obesessions with WR somewhere else...
and that when he announced to the San Francisco truth email group that he was leaving to tour South Africa, not one person on the 270-person list wished him a public bon voyage.
..and you have access to his e-mail account or the other 269 people personal accounts to find out if he inded got a personal and not a public bon vayage? your statement is ridiculous bitch. To your disgust and frustration he is or was indeed in South Africa and got close to 50,000 fanatics to see him, not counting the media coverage, Google it bitch.

It must hurt your efforts isn't bitch? Just stop lying about your facts before you point your perceived lies of others.

 
At 12 January, 2011 00:06, Blogger sabba said...

for everybody's interest (Pat and JAmesB included), I sent the following e-mail to William rodriguez via Social Network.

Sabbatini writes: Hello Mr. Rodriguez,
I know you may be busy but I will appreciate an answer to couple of questions. I am a member of theScrewloosechange blog and even though we may have different views on 9/11 I respect you for the actions on that terrible day.
Do you know Brian Good?
Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?
Thanks.

William@william911.com writes:
Hi Mr. Sabbatini
Thanks for the note. I am ver bus at the moment but will answer your questions.
Brian Good is a stalker who has harassed me and others. He wants so bad to be my bitch is almost laughable, but also creepy. He will not dare to debate me face to face and only wants to do it via online postings.

About your second question, I am not one of those persons who screams 9/11 was an inside job! for me to do that will be very irresponsible since I do not have the evidence to prove that and despite whatever has been pinned on me in past news articles, I do not think that if we are asking for a new investigation of any form, we cannot accuse first. I retract from that as I retracted from my lawsuit. I guess as time passes you learn more. Take care and say hello to JamesB and Pat Curley and tell them to reach out sometime to me.
William R.

 
At 12 January, 2011 00:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I said quite clearly that no one publicly wished Willie bon voyage. I have no way of knowing if they privately did so. The natural thing to do, seems to me, would be to simply hit "reply all" and say "Congratulations, Willie! Bon Voyage!"

I've seen no evidence at all that Willie actually went to South Africa. I did google it. No media coverage. No 50,000 fans.


I've seen no evidence of any Euro tour in 2010. If you have some, I'd like to see it.

Looks to me like Willie's pretty thoroughly busted in this 3 minute video here:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3470565/1/

 
At 12 January, 2011 01:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh, and since you know Willie so well--can you tell me about the 9/11 Truth movement's relationship with C-Span? That was a pretty good relationship through 2005 and 2006, but as far as I know the August 2007 Willie-fest at the Emanuel Church was the last time C-Span did 9/11 Truth?

Can you think of a time C-Span did 9/11 after that? Do you think Willie's lies that day messed up the relationship with C-Span?

 
At 12 January, 2011 02:45, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch saysSabba, I said quite clearly that no one publicly wished Willie bon voyage. I have no way of knowing if they privately did so. The natural thing to do, seems to me, would be to simply hit "reply all" and say "Congratulations, Willie! Bon Voyage!"
I guess that will be natural for you who likes the attention. For others, they may have a more personal friendship with him, who knows.

Willie's Bitch says: I've seen no evidence at all that Willie actually went to South Africa. I did google it. No media coverage. No 50,000 fans.
is out there bitch, keep looking.


Willie's bitch says: I've seen no evidence of any Euro tour in 2010. If you have some, I'd like to see it.

Is out there learn to google bitch, and by the way a hint for you, it was major media coverage ( to add to yor frustration!)

Willie's bitch saysLooks to me like Willie's pretty thoroughly busted in this 3 minute video here:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3470565/1/

Who fucking cares, only you bitch and it proves my earlier post of you being "A Storm i Coming" there. go ahead have fun denying it.

Also bitch, any comments about Australia or you missed that one too.

Willie's bitch says: Oh, and since you know Willie so well--can you tell me about the 9/11 Truth movement's relationship with C-Span? That was a pretty good relationship through 2005 and 2006, but as far as I know the August 2007 Willie-fest at the Emanuel Church was the last time C-Span did 9/11 Truth?

Can you think of a time C-Span did 9/11 after that? Do you think Willie's lies that day messed up the relationship with C-Span?


Perfect question to bust you again bitch. I happen to know people a C-Span and have your answers. But first of all, I do not know Willie in person except for the email and the information out there, at least he starts sounding more reasonable than you in respect to the truth, or should I say, your truth.
Back to C-Span bitch. Actually Rodriguez C-Span presentation was the longest mainstream coverage the 9/11 bowel movement has received. It took Alex Jones a whole set of Presenters to achieve what your lover boy did, 2 hours alone and it was repeated that week several times. They even sell his presentation on DVD on their website: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/williamrodriguez02. I have been told that he has collaborated with C span on other issues like , the first responders, The Mosque at GZ Issue and the Guantanamo Bay Prisoners conflict, not on camera but by supplying contacts , leads etc. Furthermore, the relationship of C-Span has been damaged by stalker like you harassing producers, demanding coverage and sending endless BS info to people who may be the decision makers. I have no reason to doubt what the C-Span contact tells me so go ahead and pick up the phone, call C-Span assignment desk and validate your stupid claim that is due to WR that C-span hates the 9/11 truth Bowel movement. Proves us wrong "A Storm is Coming" bitch.

 
At 12 January, 2011 02:46, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch saysSabba, I said quite clearly that no one publicly wished Willie bon voyage. I have no way of knowing if they privately did so. The natural thing to do, seems to me, would be to simply hit "reply all" and say "Congratulations, Willie! Bon Voyage!"
I guess that will be natural for you who likes the attention. For others, they may have a more personal friendship with him, who knows.

Willie's Bitch says: I've seen no evidence at all that Willie actually went to South Africa. I did google it. No media coverage. No 50,000 fans.
is out there bitch, keep looking.


Willie's bitch says: I've seen no evidence of any Euro tour in 2010. If you have some, I'd like to see it.

Is out there learn to google bitch, and by the way a hint for you, it was major media coverage ( to add to yor frustration!)

Willie's bitch saysLooks to me like Willie's pretty thoroughly busted in this 3 minute video here:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3470565/1/

Who fucking cares, only you bitch and it proves my earlier post of you being "A Storm i Coming" there. go ahead have fun denying it.

Also bitch, any comments about Australia or you missed that one too.

 
At 12 January, 2011 02:47, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch says: Oh, and since you know Willie so well--can you tell me about the 9/11 Truth movement's relationship with C-Span? That was a pretty good relationship through 2005 and 2006, but as far as I know the August 2007 Willie-fest at the Emanuel Church was the last time C-Span did 9/11 Truth?

Can you think of a time C-Span did 9/11 after that? Do you think Willie's lies that day messed up the relationship with C-Span?

Perfect question to bust you again bitch. I happen to know people a C-Span and have your answers. But first of all, I do not Willie in person except for the email and the information out there, at least he starts sounding more reasonable than you in respect to the truth, or should I say, your truth.
Back to C-Span bitch. Actually Rodriguez C-Span presentation was the longest mainstream coverage the 9/11 bowel movement has received. It took Alex Jones a whole set of Presenters to achieve what your lover boy did, 2 hours alone and it was repeated that week several times. They even sell his presentation on DVD. I have been told that he has collaborated with C span on other issues like , the first responders, The Mosque at GZ Issue and the Guantanamo Bay Prisoners conflict, not on camera but by supplying contacts , leads etc. The relationship of C-span has been damaged by stalker like you harassing producers, demanding coverage and sending endless BS info to people who may be the decision makers. I have no doubt what the C-span contact tells me so go ahead and pick up the phone, call C-Span assignment desk and validate your stupid claim that is due to WR that C-span hates the 9/11 truth Bowel movement. Proves us wrong "A Storm is Coming" bitch.

 
At 12 January, 2011 02:49, Blogger sabba said...

for willies bitch Brian Good- here so you can buy your lovers DVD: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/williamrodriguez02

 
At 12 January, 2011 03:02, Blogger sabba said...

for willie's bitch, Brian Good:
A litle info on C-Span Databse about Conspiracy and 9/11. Bitch.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/search-results.php?keywords=911+conspiracy

 
At 12 January, 2011 09:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Thanks for making my point, Sabba.

You provided no evidence that Willie did any Euro tour in 2010, no evidence of any South Africa tour, and no evidence that C-Span continued its 9/11 coverage after Willie's silly brag-fest in 8/7.

So my belief that Willie killed the truthers' good relationship with C-Span, just as he poisoned relations between truthers and the press everywhere, stands. His tasteless bragging drove a wedge between truthers and the firefighters and police. Not one firefighter can be found who validates Willie's claims--except John Schroeder, whose extravagant praise of Willie seems calculated to discredit him.

 
At 12 January, 2011 09:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, your belligerent debating tactics remind me of those of Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo, and various anonymous supporters of Willie I've encountered through the years.

Do you think the SLC readers are dumb enough to think that a few references to "gullible people" and "fanatics" and the "9/11 bowel movement" show you to be a debunker? You didn't say anything bad about Willie. All the debunkers know he's a con artist whose blatant lies made fool of everyone silly enough to believe them.

 
At 12 January, 2011 10:54, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo the NYT/CBS poll of 2006 was not an internet poll. It found that only 16% think the government told the truth.

CBS is a media outlet Brian, they had internet polls dumbass!

 
At 12 January, 2011 10:59, Blogger Ian G. said...

Nobody cares about Willie Rodriguez, Brian.

 
At 12 January, 2011 11:24, Blogger snug.bug said...

WAQo, yes CBS has internet polls. The NYT/CBS poll was, however, not an internet poll. It was a conventional telephonic survey, 1000 samples, 3% margin yadda yadda.

Ian, Sabba clearly cares about Willie very much--praising Willie's two-hour C-Span program and even telling where you can buy it (but not where you can watch it free on Youtube).

 
At 12 January, 2011 11:54, Blogger Ian G. said...

WAQo, yes CBS has internet polls. The NYT/CBS poll was, however, not an internet poll. It was a conventional telephonic survey, 1000 samples, 3% margin yadda yadda.

Nobody cares.

Ian, Sabba clearly cares about Willie very much--praising Willie's two-hour C-Span program and even telling where you can buy it (but not where you can watch it free on Youtube).

Nobody cares.

 
At 12 January, 2011 12:58, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's whore- Brian Good says: "Sabba, your belligerent debating tactics remind me of those of Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo, and various anonymous supporters of Willie I've encountered through the years.
Count the ones here as well bitch.

Do you think the SLC readers are dumb enough to think that a few references to "gullible people" and "fanatics" and the "9/11 bowel movement" show you to be a debunker?
gullible people? Now you are making me laugh whore!I guess the fanatic title has posthumously been given to you by the readers and people who post here and your own people on the "bowel" movement. I do not put tittles on myself so, I am not a debunker like you may call me. I think you only see debunkers around your life. HMMM. Bitch, get the fact that nobody wants you! not even Willie , Kevin or Carol!

You didn't say anything bad about Willie. All the debunkers know he's a con artist whose blatant lies made fool of everyone silly enough to believe them. Who fucking cares? you seem to get a boner or an ass contraction every time we attack those of your obsession. The "real" janitor WR has the audience that you lack off and is killing you of envy. Get a life whore!

 
At 12 January, 2011 13:10, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, Brian Good-snug.bug said...

Thanks for making my point, Sabba.

You provided no evidence that Willie did any Euro tour in 2010, no evidence of any South Africa tour, and no evidence that C-Span continued its 9/11 coverage after Willie's silly brag-fest in 8/7.

You provided no evidence that he did not do a South African tour or anywhere else. The C-Span explanation is apparently no good for you? Funny that you do not pick up the phone and dial directly to the assignment Producers to find out. Go ahead bitch do the homework. Also try harder with google because you have been saying the same bullshit for a while.

So my belief that Willie killed the truthers' good relationship with C-Span, just as he poisoned relations between truthers and the press everywhere, stands.
Who fucking cares about what YOU believes? it is your personal believe fueled by your deranged obsessions. Get help, before you go shooting Rodriguez or Carol, I think that may be the next option for you . I think WR, Carol and Kevin should report you as an obsessed stalker and avoid another tragedy. Yes I think you could potential criminal bitch.

His tasteless bragging drove a wedge between truthers and the firefighters and police. Not one firefighter can be found who validates Willie's claims--except John Schroeder, whose extravagant praise of Willie seems calculated to discredit him.
Then he is really hero to us bitch. Thanks for pointing that out. Now go back to your room and be a good silly girl and tell your daddy to play the piano for you . Whore.

 
At 12 January, 2011 13:18, Blogger sabba said...

For willie's Bitch, Brian Good
Here Brian "A storm is coming", I did you a favor, got you C-Span Number. Go ahead, pick up the phone and call and ask your deranged questions there and then report your version to us bitch!

877-ON CSPAN

 
At 12 January, 2011 13:45, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's whore- Brian Good says: "Sabba, your belligerent debating tactics remind me of those of Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo, and various anonymous supporters of Willie I've encountered through the years.
Count the ones here as well bitch.


"Do you think the SLC readers are dumb enough to think that a few references to "gullible people" and "fanatics" and the "9/11 bowel movement" show you to be a debunker?

gullible people? Now you are making me laugh whore!I guess the fanatic title has posthumously been given to you by the readers and people who post here and your own people on the "bowel" movement. I do not put tittles on myself so, I am not a debunker like you may call me. I think you only see debunkers around your life. HMMM. Bitch, get the fact that nobody wants you! not even Willie , Kevin or Carol!

Willie's whore, Brian Good says:
You didn't say anything bad about Willie. All the debunkers know he's a con artist whose blatant lies made fool of everyone silly enough to believe them.
Who fucking cares? you seem to get a boner or an ass contraction every time we attack those of your obsession. The "real" janitor WR has the audience that you lack off and is killing you of envy. Get a life whore!

 
At 12 January, 2011 13:51, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, Brian Good-snug.bug said:
Thanks for making my point, Sabba.
You provided no evidence that Willie did any Euro tour in 2010, no evidence of any South Africa tour, and no evidence that C-Span continued its 9/11 coverage after Willie's silly brag-fest in 8/7.

You provided no evidence that he did not do a South African tour or anywhere else. The C-Span explanation is apparently no good for you? Funny that you do not pick up the phone and dial directly to the assignment Producers to find out. Go ahead bitch do the homework. Also try harder with google because you have been saying the same bullshit for a while.

So my belief that Willie killed the truthers' good relationship with C-Span, just as he poisoned relations between truthers and the press everywhere, stands.
Who fucking cares about what YOU believe? it is your personal believe fueled by your deranged obsessions. Get help, before you go shooting Rodriguez or Carol, I think that may be the next option for you . I think WR, Carol and Kevin should report you as an obsessed stalker and avoid another tragedy. Yes I think you could potential criminal bitch.

His tasteless bragging drove a wedge between truthers and the firefighters and police. Not one firefighter can be found who validates Willie's claims--except John Schroeder, whose extravagant praise of Willie seems calculated to discredit him.
Then he is really hero to us bitch. Thanks for pointing that out. Now go back to your room and be a good silly girl and tell your daddy to play the piano for you . Whore.

 
At 12 January, 2011 16:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

Hi sabba. I would like to see evidence of the audience you claim for Willie. As I said, his last appearance that I know of was in Jersey City in the winter of 2009/2010 and there were about 40 people there even though Daniel Sunjata was there too. As I remember the youtube video of Willie's talk appeared to have been edited, suggesting that maybe he didn't come off too well. If you have information about subsequent appearances I would certainly like to hear about it because I can't find anything new on the net or on Youtube.

You don't seem to understand that I can't prove a negative. I can't prove there's no C-Span after the Silly-Willie fest of 8/07, and I can't prove he didn't go to South Africa--I can only show that there's no evidence refuting my beliefs, and you're showing the same thing.

Mr. Schroeder credited Willie with saving people that not even Willie claimed--though Willie did not deny it. I think that was Schroeder's way of trying to embarrass Willie. There's a pretty good video about it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6OVeSq0r0A

 
At 12 January, 2011 16:44, Blogger Ian G. said...

As I said, his last appearance that I know of was in Jersey City in the winter of 2009/2010 and there were about 40 people there even though Daniel Sunjata was there too.

As if we need more evidence that the truth movement is dead....

Also, nobody cares about Willie Rodriguez. You're just an obsessed lunatic.

 
At 12 January, 2011 17:12, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba obviously has an extremely emotional reaction to charges that Willie is not getting an audience and that Willie spoiled the relationship with C-span. People do care.

 
At 12 January, 2011 17:56, Blogger Ian G. said...

Sabba obviously has an extremely emotional reaction to charges that Willie is not getting an audience and that Willie spoiled the relationship with C-span. People do care.

False.

 
At 12 January, 2011 22:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 12 January, 2011 23:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

According to sappa, 50,000 fanatics in South Africa care. I wasn't there. Do you think she's lying?

 
At 13 January, 2011 05:56, Blogger Ian G. said...

According to sappa, 50,000 fanatics in South Africa care. I wasn't there. Do you think she's lying?

Nobody cares. Well, you care, but that's because you're an obsessed lunatic who wants to marry Willie Rodriguez.

 
At 13 January, 2011 06:52, Blogger sabba said...

Ian G. said...
Nobody cares. Well, you care, but that's because you're an obsessed lunatic who wants to marry Willie Rodriguez.

Right on the nose IAN! you see when willie's bitch is confronted about his lies he will change it to "my beliefs" but goes on saying it as a fact. Instead of saying is my "belief" that WR has not done any appearances he will stated it as a fact. Typical truther. We of course are waiting his statement about Australia when you rightly pointed he has been banned and kicked out of the truther places. The bitch of course uses selective memory. When is he going to call C-Span? we are waiting for his report.

 
At 13 January, 2011 06:55, Blogger sabba said...

willie Rodriguez bitch Brian Good from Palo Alto california Sex Stalker said: snug.bug said...

"Sabba obviously has an extremely emotional reaction to charges that Willie is not getting an audience and that Willie spoiled the relationship with C-span. People do care.
Whore, we do not care about WR, is your lies what we care to expose since they are so obvious. Get help, potential terrorist.

 
At 13 January, 2011 09:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, is it your plan to audition for the Marx Brothers? Don't quit your day job!

It is my assertion that Willie has not had an appearance since the Jersey City fiasco last winter. I assert that because I can find no evidence of any appearance. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means provide it.

Are you claiming that Willie did appear in Australia at the "Hard Evidence" tour? If not, what's your point?

I have not need to call C-Span. I have found no evidence that there has been a C-Span 9/11 Truth program since the 2-hour Willie-fest in 2007. If you have evidence, please provide it. It's really too bad that Willie wasted the two hours on bragging about his world tour and a long and bogus "inspirational story". He could have given up some of his time to some serious people so they could put forth some serious truth.

What evidence do you have that I am a whore?

 
At 13 January, 2011 10:54, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch Brian Good from Palo Alto California (Snug Bug) said: "Sappo, is it your plan to audition for the Marx Brothers? Don't quit your day job!
Is that supposed to be funny bitch? you should get better jokes, but then again, you are a joke!

It is my assertion that Willie has not had an appearance since the Jersey City fiasco last winter. I assert that because I can find no evidence of any appearance. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means provide it.
Google it bitch! is out there. So let's get this right if I provide you with definite proof that he was indeed busy and had many presentations after your claimed event in Jersey City, you will accept that you have been wrong about stating that so many times and accept you have lied because you "believed" that he did not appeared anywhere since that time? Correct? Do we have a deal?

Are you claiming that Willie did appear in Australia at the "Hard Evidence" tour? If not, what's your point? I Never claimed that, I could not find a single post here of anybody else's claiming that either. In fact he did not. What I am clearly claiming is that you were banned and laughed at by the Australian 9/11 group while you claimed to IAN G. that you have never been kicked out by any group. I am claiming that you were kicked out by the SF 9/11 group for stalking WR, Carol Broulliett and others despite the fact that you deny it. I am claiming that you were left go by the Richard Gage group for being obsessed with William Rodriguez and because you got pissed off at Richard Gage support of WR and Annie Machon. I am claiming that your posts about WR in DU , were you were posting as Petgoat , were closed because of your obsession with him. I am claiming you were also told to get out by the 9/11Truth Forum for the same thing. I am claiming that you were banned by Wikipedia from editing several truthers pages after vandalizing Rodriguez profile too many times. I am claiming that you are a pussy because you will not face your lover face to face for a debate. I am claiming that you indeed dressed like the character in Vendetta, to make an ass of yourself in front of Kevin Barret and the police told you to stay away. I am claiming that you are a stalker and that you are a potential terrorist as many truthers are. Your obsessions are to obvious, you should be stooped.

I have not need to call C-Span.
I provided you with the number and there you go with your shoddy research skills. We are waiting for you to report back to us your findings. You won't because you live in a deceptive world and you "believe" C-Span may lie to you. Correct?

What evidence do you have that I am a whore? there is ample evidence of you on the net calling you a sex stalker. Whore.

 
At 13 January, 2011 11:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where do you get the idea that I'm afraid to face Willie for a debate?

He's the one that threatened to cancel his appearance in Oakland because he was afraid to answer a few questions.

There is ample evidence on the net of a couple of liars making allegations about me. One of them is the liar, bigot, and incompetent scholar Kevin Barrett--whose responsibility it was to fact-check Willie Rodriguez before touring with him in 2007 and who failed to do so. The other is Willie Rodriguez, the con artist who steals his glory from the dead.

If there has been a 9/11 Truth C-Span show after Willie's silly 8/07 program, please provide evidence of it. I can't find any.

 
At 13 January, 2011 12:08, Blogger sabba said...

willie's bitch Brian Good from Palo Alto California (Snug.bug) said: Where do you get the idea that I'm afraid to face Willie for a debate?
All over the net you saying, that you do not do face to face debate. Only online debate. Even here in the past bitch. Are you going to lie that you never said that?
He's the one that threatened to cancel his appearance in Oakland because he was afraid to answer a few questions. So you say. No evidence anywhere but your statements.

There is ample evidence on the net of a couple of liars making allegations about me. and they are surely right about you, stalker.

If there has been a 9/11 Truth C-Span show after Willie's silly 8/07 program, please provide evidence of it. I can't find any. I do not need to provide evidence on something I do not care about. You should contact C-Span and provide us the report supporting your obsessions, bitch.

 
At 13 January, 2011 12:24, Blogger sabba said...

repost of Willie's bitch statement and his position of ignoring statements:

Brian Good says: Are you claiming that Willie did appear in Australia at the "Hard Evidence" tour? If not, what's your point? I Never claimed that, I could not find a single post here of anybody else's claiming that either. In fact he did not. What I am clearly claiming is that you were banned and laughed at by the Australian 9/11 group while you claimed to IAN G. that you have never been kicked out by any group. I am claiming that you were kicked out by the SF 9/11 group for stalking WR, Carol Broulliett and others despite the fact that you deny it. I am claiming that you were left go by the Richard Gage group for being obsessed with William Rodriguez and because you got pissed off at Richard Gage support of WR and Annie Machon. I am claiming that your posts about WR in DU , were you were posting as Petgoat , were closed because of your obsession with him. I am claiming you were also told to get out by the 9/11Truth Forum for the same thing. I am claiming that you were banned by Wikipedia from editing several truthers pages after vandalizing Rodriguez profile too many times. I am claiming that you are a pussy because you will not face your lover face to face for a debate. I am claiming that you indeed dressed like the character in Vendetta, to make an ass of yourself in front of Kevin Barret and the police told you to stay away. I am claiming that you are a stalker and that you are a potential terrorist as many truthers are. Your obsessions are to obvious, you should be stooped.

 
At 13 January, 2011 12:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sappo, you certainly seem to think you know a lot about me. Where did you find out all this stuff, and why, and why should anyone believe any of it? And you're calling me obsessed?

I informed myself about Willie because I could see the enormous damage he was doing to the truth movement and everywhere he went around the world truthers would destroy their credibility by trying to get the press to cover his obvious lies. And they would alienate firefighters when the truthers would give them the DVD and the firefighters would look and see a disgusting, lying braggart. Willie was enormously destructive, and since nobody else was willing to stop him, I took on the task myself. I wasn't obsessed. I was thorough, I was dogged, I was diligent.

Willie's not really an issue any more. His new Youtubes get very few views. The magic trick he did at the Valley Forge event was a hoot!

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:29, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch Brian Good snug.bug said...

Sappo, you certainly seem to think you know a lot about me. Where did you find out all this stuff, and why, and why should anyone believe any of it? And you're calling me obsessed?
Is all here in countless of threads. Is all over the internet as well. I have to admit that I like to see you- in the words of IAN- Squeal squeal squeal!

I informed myself about Willie because I could see the enormous damage he was doing to the truth movement and everywhere he went around the world truthers would destroy their credibility by trying to get the press to cover his obvious lies. And they would alienate firefighters when the truthers would give them the DVD and the firefighters would look and see a disgusting, lying braggart. Willie was enormously destructive, and since nobody else was willing to stop him, I took on the task myself. I wasn't obsessed. I was thorough, I was dogged, I was diligent.
A Stalker, obsessive and deranged sex maniac. diligent? ha, tell that to the FEDS when you go on a rampage.

Willie's not really an issue any more.
Lying. He is the object of your wet dreams bitch, everyone knows it.
His new Youtubes get very few views. I just checked and compared his account with your account( Punsuxtawneybarney) and he bypasses you 10,000 to 1. So you are just talking shit out of envy.
The magic trick he did at the Valley Forge event was a hoot! what the fuck are you talking about bitch? link?

Sappo, you certainly seem to think you know a lot about me.
is your father still playing piano?
are your parents still angry at you?

 
At 13 January, 2011 13:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pussa, Willie's videos over the last few months get very few views. He's not an issue any more.

I take it you can't provide any evidence of the South Africa tour at all, let alone the 50,000 fans you said were there.

 
At 13 January, 2011 15:29, Blogger sabba said...

willie's bitch Brian good from Palo Alto california -snug.bug said...

Pussa, Willie's videos over the last few months get very few views. He's not an issue any more. Now is in a few months? again bitch he outperform your views 100 fold and you still strugling with your silly videos.

I take it you can't provide any evidence of the South Africa tour at all, let alone the 50,000 fans you said were there. You still have not agree to the challenge, go back and read bitch and stop evading questions. It is easily noted. Also, you still have not agreed that you lied about your statements , whore.

 
At 13 January, 2011 17:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

In the last 5 months Wilie has posted 11 videos on his youtube channel, for a total of about 1300 views. That's pretty feeble, dude.

So you still can't back up the claim about 50,000 South African fans, huh?

 
At 13 January, 2011 17:36, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's whore- Brian good from Palo alto California-snug.bug said...

In the last 5 months Wilie has posted 11 videos on his youtube channel, for a total of about 1300 views. That's pretty feeble, dude. You are the one that cares bitch, is still better than Punsuxtawnebarneys( you of course) viewership I should add.

So you still can't back up the claim about 50,000 South African fans, huh? I can back up the claim that he was or is in South Africa and that he presented there, I cannot back up the 50,000, since it will involve me counting each one of the spectators. Are you ready to accept you lied all this time if I prove he was there? I am still waiting whore.
Can you still back up your claim that you were not kicked out from 9/11 groups?
Can you still backup your claims that willie will not "face you"?
Can you still backup your claims that you did not stalked Carol Broulliet?
Can you still backup your claims that you are not petgoat, Contrivance, Punsuxtawneybarney, truethruter, and the new one "a storm is coming?
Can you backup your lie that you were not let go from Richard Gages group?
Can you backup your claims that you are a respected researcher?
Can you backup your claims you are not a sex offender?
I know, you can't prove a negative...

 
At 13 January, 2011 18:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

I see that punxsutawneybarney's new videos in the last 4 months have gotten 2600 views. Wroudy's new videos in that time have gotten 1200.

So it kind of looks like Wroudy's losing his audience.

 
At 13 January, 2011 19:03, Blogger Ian G. said...

I see that punxsutawneybarney's new videos in the last 4 months have gotten 2600 views.

Yes, you would know this since you are punxsutawneybarney. There's only one lunatic obsessed with Willie Rodriguez, no matter how many internet IDs you create to try to obscure that fact.

 
At 13 January, 2011 19:40, Blogger sabba said...

Ian G. said...
Yes, you would know this since you are punxsutawneybarney. There's only one lunatic obsessed with Willie Rodriguez, no matter how many internet IDs you create to try to obscure that fact.

Indeed Ian, you are right again.

See how Brian Good ( The bitch) ignores all the other questions and just praises himself like the attention whore he is.

 
At 13 January, 2011 23:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian wrote: you would know this since you are punxsutawneybarney.

Yes, Ian, you're so smart. I know that because I am punxsutawneybarney. And I know how many views wroudy's videos got because I am wroudy too.

 
At 14 January, 2011 06:34, Blogger Ian G. said...

Yes, Ian, you're so smart. I know that because I am punxsutawneybarney. And I know how many views wroudy's videos got because I am wroudy too.

I didn't say you are wroudy. I said you are punxsutawneybarney. Learn to read.

It's obvious to anyone who knows how much of an obsessed lunatic you are that you're punxsutawneybarney.

 
At 14 January, 2011 10:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 14 January, 2011 11:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

Love that Ian-logic. Since I know how many viewers Punx had, I am punx; but the fact that I know how many viewers wroudy had does not show I'm wroudy. And obessive lunacy shows I'm punx. Would not obsessive lunacy equally show I'm wroudy?

And sabba, how would reporting 2600 views in four months be praise? Seems to me it's pretty piss-poor, nothing to brag about.

 
At 14 January, 2011 14:59, Blogger Ian G. said...

Since I know how many viewers Punx had, I am punx; but the fact that I know how many viewers wroudy had does not show I'm wroudy.

Uh...no. You are punxsutawneybarney regardless of whether you know how many views there are of those videos. You are punxsutawneybarney because you are the one creating and posting those videos. It's not hard, Brian.

And obessive lunacy shows I'm punx. Would not obsessive lunacy equally show I'm wroudy?

Uh....no. Wroudy seems to admire Rodriguez. You, however, hate him because you are sexually infatuated with him and he rejected you. You will never get over the fact that the strutting, bragging, lying hunk of latin manhood (your words) would not be your lover, so you stalk him online.

The exact same mindless babble that you post here is what punxsutawneybarney posts. You are punxsutawneybarney.

Also, you are a liar and lunatic and failed janitor who was thrown out of the truth movement. Just thought I'd remind you of that....

 
At 15 January, 2011 00:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

"hunk of latin manhood"?

Would you mind providing a reference to that? Did you see Willie's jiggly fat ass on Jesse Ventura's TV show?

 
At 15 January, 2011 07:30, Blogger sabba said...

@Ian G.
see the latst of Brian Good's posting. Have a laugh:
http://porkypigcartoon.com/kevin-barrett-go-to-your-room.html

Again, not even the truthers likes him!

 
At 15 January, 2011 07:31, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch-snug.bug said...

"hunk of latin manhood"?
your opinion and your wet dream figure. Bitch.

 
At 15 January, 2011 07:46, Blogger Ian G. said...

"hunk of latin manhood"?

Would you mind providing a reference to that? Did you see Willie's jiggly fat ass on Jesse Ventura's TV show?


You made that comment in another thread a while back about Rodriguez, because you're obsessed with him and want to have his children.

It's the same reason why you watched him on Jesse Ventura's show (I sure don't waste my time with such stupidity). You're disappointed that he has gained weight, as you want that handsome latin lover from your dreams.

It's OK to be in love with Rodriguez, Brian. It's just wrong to stalk him.

 
At 15 January, 2011 10:42, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I'm just sitting here laughing @ Brian. This is just too hilarious fellas, keep Brian going! I'm gonna have a Joygasm!

 
At 15 January, 2011 12:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, it has never been my opinion that anyone who spent the years of Clinton prosperity hiding out in a stairwell was hunk of manhood.

 
At 15 January, 2011 12:36, Blogger sabba said...

@Snug.bug, Punsuxtawneybarney, "A storm is coming", Petgoat, Contrivance, Truetruther, Brian Good from Palo alto, California, etc, etc.

Can you tell us why were you kicked from the 9/11truth Australian forum?

Can you tell us why you were kicked out from the San Francisco 9/11 truth forum?

Can you tell us why you were kicked out from the Richard Gage organization?

Is it true you used his organization computers to spread your hate e-mails against William Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, Carol Broulliett and David Ray Griffin?

I have more questions after you answer this ones, bitch.

 
At 15 January, 2011 12:40, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, BrianGood-snug.bug said...

Sabba, it has never been my opinion that anyone who spent the years of Clinton prosperity hiding out in a stairwell was hunk of manhood.
Right "contrivance", exactly what you said in Wikipedia. Your Hunk of a man, apparently is still a Ladies Man judging at his Facebook photos. It must make you jealous you are not the one being hugged, eh? You wanna touch it? Go ahead, you know you wanna touch it!
bitch!

 
At 15 January, 2011 13:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you still can't provide any evidence of Willie's South Africa tour or his 50,000 fans, eh?

 
At 15 January, 2011 14:37, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch- snug.bug said...

So you still can't provide any evidence of Willie's South Africa tour or his 50,000 fans, eh?
Oh I can. But you have to answer the questions first and agree to my challenge, bitch. Still waiting whore.

 
At 15 January, 2011 14:38, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good, ignoring them will not make them go away.

 
At 15 January, 2011 14:40, Blogger sabba said...

oh and I forgot...

Bitch!

 
At 15 January, 2011 15:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

So anyway, why did Willie spend the Clinton prosperity years hiding in a stairwell?

Seems like a person with his qualifications could have done very well among the friends of Randi.

 
At 15 January, 2011 15:14, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's bitch Brian Good-snug.bug says: So anyway, why did Willie spend the Clinton prosperity years hiding in a stairwell? is this your opinion that he hided in the stairwells?

Why don't you answer my questions first, whore?

or are there any link you can provide that says he spent those years "hiding" there? oh I get it , is your opinion. Guess what nobody cares about your opinion about WR, Carol, Barrett or DRG.

Seems like a person with his qualifications could have done very well among the friends of Randi.
Invoking Master Randi will give you the clue. Bitch.

 
At 15 January, 2011 15:15, Blogger Ian G. said...

Sabba, it has never been my opinion that anyone who spent the years of Clinton prosperity hiding out in a stairwell was hunk of manhood.

Brian, it's OK to love Willie, it's just not OK to stalk people. Everyone wants a hot latin lover. I, for instance, had a latin girlfriend (OK, she was half Colombian, half Jewish) for a while. Then she dumped me. The difference between you and me is I don't stalk her. I let her be, and sometimes when we see each other at parties, we're perfectly civil with each other.

 
At 15 January, 2011 16:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Willie is by no stretch of the imagination a hot latin lover. He's a fat failed con artist who allowed his lawyer to claim in a federal lawsuit that when the World Trade Center fell down, Willie could no longer make a living because there aren't a lot of 115-story staircases needing his cleaning epxertise.

I don't see how it's "stalking" to google "William Rodriguez" to try to find out how his alleged South African tour went.

 
At 15 January, 2011 17:12, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch-Brian Good Says:
Willie could no longer make a living because there aren't a lot of 115-story staircases needing his cleaning epxertise. So what you are saying is that is a "fact" that he is not making a living correct?
Can you provide proof of that? I bet you can't.
...by the way, we are still waiting for your answer about the other questions.
Bitch.

 
At 15 January, 2011 17:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't say he couldn't make a living. HE said he couldn't make a living. He said it in his federal lawsuit against Bush, which also claimed that he had single-handedly rescued fifteen (15) persons. He's never explained why he left these thrilling rescues out of his narrative, or why he never confirmed or denied John Schroeder's very puzzling tale about Willie's single-handed rescue of a dozen FDNY guys.

 
At 15 January, 2011 18:41, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's bitch, Brian good-snug.bug said...I didn't say he couldn't make a living.
False, that is a lie you said it, go back and read.

HE said he couldn't make a living. He said it in his federal lawsuit against Bush..
and that was when? 5 years ago? Do you think he may have actually made a good living despite your lies? Traveling around supporting your BS theories? HMMM, the indignity to unmask again, isn't it bitch? It is better said with your own words....

I can always count on you for an evidence-free assertion and/or a logic-free conclusion.
EXACTLY!

And you are still not answering the questions bitch.

15 January, 2011 16:15

 
At 16 January, 2011 07:38, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, Willie is by no stretch of the imagination a hot latin lover.

You're the one who referred to him as such, not me.

I don't see how it's "stalking" to google "William Rodriguez" to try to find out how his alleged South African tour went.

Right, because it's not like you've spent the last half decade babbling about him on every internet forum possible, making up dozens of internet names to lamely attempt to obscure the fact that it's one guy doing all the e-mailing and commenting and video posting.

Christ, Brian, you've been banned from multiple truther groups for stalking the guy.

You're obsessed with him and you want revenge on that strutting, bragging lying hunk of latin manhood for rejecting you.

 
At 16 January, 2011 10:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I have not and would not call that fat fraud a "hunk of latin manhood".

 
At 16 January, 2011 11:13, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, I have not and would not call that fat fraud a "hunk of latin manhood".

Right, and you also claim that you're not petgoat, you're not punxsutawneybarney, that you're not a janitor, that you weren't kicked out of Richard Gage's group, and that you didn't stalk Carol Brouillet.

 
At 16 January, 2011 13:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you don't know what you're talking about. You would do well to adjust your epistemology to reflect your very limited experience in the world.

 
At 16 January, 2011 21:28, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, you don't know what you're talking about. You would do well to adjust your epistemology to reflect your very limited experience in the world.

My, such squealing! Do you have dreams of Willie Rodriguez making you squeal with his hunky latin body, Brian?

 

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