Thursday, February 03, 2011

Yes Cosmos Did Present Himself As A Family Member

Remember the whole bit a few months back about Cosmos claiming to be a nephew of Mickey Rothenberg? Well, after I called him out on it based on information developed by a pair of loathsome toads named Adam Syed and Hang 'Em High Kevin Barrett, Cosmos retorted hotly:
I have never referred to myself as a “9/11 family member”. During 2007 and 2008, I hosted a radio show called Truth Revolution Radio. I only mentioned Mickey a few times during the run of the show, but each time I did I noted the exact nature of my relationship to him. There are dozens of documented examples showing that I’ve frequently and publicly clarified my connection to Mark Rothenberg.

(Italics in original).

Syed had come up with a couple examples of Cosmos presenting himself as having lost an uncle on 9-11, like this one (starts about 6:30):

But you know how it is, some people do refer to a family friend as "my uncle", so it was hard to say that Cosmos was being completely untruthful. At least, until I remembered this clip (skip ahead to 8:00):

"I'm a family member. My uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that. I really resent that."

Note in particular that Cosmos uses his supposed familial relationship in exactly the way I suggested:
IMHO, Cosmos just used "Uncle" Mickey as a shield. How dare anybody question him; his uncle was murdered in the attacks!


Oh Cosmoooooos! You got some 'splainin' to do!

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85 Comments:

At 03 February, 2011 06:55, Blogger Bill said...

Not shocked. Just about every truther hides behind the "family members" in some capacity.

 
At 03 February, 2011 09:13, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Per usual, Pat Obesity tries his best to muddy the waters while avoiding the questions that make him squirm with cowardice.

How did the melted iron get in the dust, Pat? Can you source your answer?

No one in history has been so simultaneously transparent AND completely full of shit. You're truly a quantum miracle, Patricide.

 
At 03 February, 2011 09:35, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

How did the melted iron get in the dust, Pat?

Still being a retard aren't ya? You have no explaination about the gold & silver not melting.

No molten gold/silver = no molten steel/iron.

Fucking idiot!

 
At 03 February, 2011 09:37, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

BTW: I just knew some idiot Truther like Cowardly (Cosmos) would claim that he's related to a 9/11 Family member.

Does the family know what that retard was up to?

 
At 03 February, 2011 09:47, Blogger Ian G. said...

How did the melted iron get in the dust, Pat? Can you source your answer?

Modified attack baboons placed it there so retards like you could find it.

SATSQ

 
At 03 February, 2011 10:45, Blogger Pat said...

Fly ash in the concrete? Why are you presenting yourself as a family member in that video, Beard Boy?

 
At 03 February, 2011 10:49, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Pat, he's probably doing it for publicity & to get money off of the 9/11 Families.

Why else would he make such a claim? Because that's the way Truthers are, deceitful.

 
At 03 February, 2011 11:00, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"No molten gold/silver = no molten steel/iron." -Chewy Pretense

BRILLIANT, Chewy!! Make sure to report this air-tight logic to the JREF clubhouse. Not only will they believe you, but Mackey will respond with something sciency about WTC7, like "it in no way resembled a controlled demolition". Hurry!

"Fly ash in the concrete?" -Scat Scurrilous

Poor Pat. Got his lights punched out repeatedly with his own imbecilic words, then WEAKLY guesses "fly ash...?" when he's backed into a corner. What a sad coward. What convinced you that torches 'could easily' have caused the iron, Pat? What made you change your mind? Why should we take your word on ANYTHING (esp. over the RJ Lee Group) if you've already backtracked and flip-flopped on this 1 simple issue? Where was your failure?

Chewy, would you mind answering for Pat, in case he's feeling shy again?

 
At 03 February, 2011 11:23, Blogger Pat said...

I made the mistake of buying the idiot Troofer line that the iron must have come from the steel.

I am glad however to learn that one mistake destroys all credibility. This means that Richard "The insurance companies raised their premiums 2100%" Gage, David Ray "The Hijackers are alive" Griffin and Cosmos "I'm a family member" and all the Troofers have destroyed their credibility many times over.

Of course, we knew that; I am just surprised to learn that you know that.

 
At 03 February, 2011 11:35, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"...Troofer line that the iron must have come from the steel."
-Scat Liar-ly

Source? Who said the iron came from the steel? What does that even mean, Fatty?

In other words, you backpedaled and flip-flopped embarrassingly, refused to retract your statements, and were too upset to even admit you'd fucked up royally. I see.

 
At 03 February, 2011 11:39, Blogger Pat said...

So Cosmos, are you Andrew Bernstein?

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:00, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Not so fast, Chubsy Wubsy. We'll deal with that aspect of your shitty research in a moment.

Since your bold assertion about the torches (echoed by several JREF members) was a failure, and you abandoned it, can you tell us why the RJ Lee report clearly states that the iron was melted in the 'conflagration' of the 'wtc event', and not from fly ash? What's your source this time, Fat One? Is it GutterBalls? Are you appealing to his authority now, Pat?
As for your imaginary friends Cosmos, Bernstein, etc., I don't know who they are, so you're wasting a LOT of energy sounding sure of things (as you tend to do, before being 'caught and corrected'). I'm here to ask YOU where you get your information, Pat. You're showing some piss-poor research and "debunking" skills, son. Pretty sad.

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:01, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Maybe we should just call you 'Hugh', since there's no brain activity at all up there?

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:07, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

can you tell us why the RJ Lee report clearly states that the iron was melted in the 'conflagration' of the 'wtc event', and not from fly ash?

It doesn't say that. Read it again. Or have an adult read it to you.

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:07, Blogger Bill said...

Wow...you sure hit a nerve Pat. Cosmo sure is doing his best to change the subject in true 9/11 Truth fashion.

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:10, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Cosmo sure is doing his best to change the subject in true 9/11 Truth fashion.

Cosmos must be feeling a little butt-hurt since Jon Gold doesn't exactly leap to his defense these days. Didn't even invite him to DC. Even an obese, deranged mongoloid fucktard like Gold must have his limits.

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:12, Blogger Pat said...

Andrew Bernstein? Is that you?

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:15, Blogger Bill said...

Its been a bad year for the twoof.

-Gold chains himself to the fence and rambles, no one cares.
-Gage gets exposed as reaping a healthy salary from the unwitting masses.
-Cosmo gets exposed as a lying douche.
-The Jones peer review debacle gets even worse than imagined.
-Bermas is delivering pizzas
-Rowe is selling smack.

Miss anything?

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat Cowardly (aka "Cosmos"?Andrew Bernstein) lies, "...can you tell us why the RJ Lee report clearly states that the iron was melted in the 'conflagration' of the 'wtc event', and not from fly ash?"

Again, for the 100th time, this is a link to the RJ Lee Report:

Source: WTC Dust Signature Report: Composition and Morphology: Summary Report, Prepared for: Deutsche Bank.

Cite the RJ Lee Report as concerns the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres. A simple cut-and-paste from the RJ Lee Report will suffice.

You can't cite the RJ Lee Report as concerns the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres?

Then STFU.

Continued...

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Why can't you answer my simple question, ass-munch? After all, if the RJ Lee Report says what you claim it says, all you need to do is make a simple cut-and-paste of the relevant material.

Face it, "Cosmos", you lost the debate, and I proved, beyond a doubt, that the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres was the World Trade Center's concrete. There's NO QUESTION that the Tower's concrete employed fly ash and pumice as aggregate for the lightweight concrete. The lightweight concrete, moreover, is the only source that fully explains why 10,000 TONS of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres covered lower Manhattan.

Face it, "Cosmos," you lost. You can whine about the RJ Lee Report until you're blue in the face, but the RJ Lee Report DOESN'T SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM THAT THE SOLE SOURCE OF THE SPHERES WAS THE "CONFLAGRATION" (FIRE), and it never will.

Now, go play in the freeway, "Cosmos."

 
At 03 February, 2011 12:46, Blogger Pat said...

Yep, GB. The amusing thing is that their whole premise is based on the iron coming from cutting the steel. But suddenly when I pointed out that could have come from the cutting torches, Cosmos fell back on "that wouldn't generate a large enough quantity of the microspheres." Exactly, Beard Boy!

 
At 03 February, 2011 13:07, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat,

"Cosmos" is resorting to straw man techniques. After all, you never claimed that the sole source of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres was the clean-up workers. You merely pointed out that the clean up workers were one source of the spheres, which is true.

"Cosmos" resorts to straw man techniques because he's trying desperately to change the subject. He knows very well that you and others have exposed his repeated lies as concerns his alleged blood relationship to "Uncle Mickey." He's well aware that his credibility can be measured in negative engineering units, and he'll resort to anything, no matter how intellectually dishonest, in order to regain what little credibility he had before you exposed him as a liar.

My advise: Let him twist in the wind. He has no credibility. ZIP. NADA. ZILCH. ZERO.

Obviously, he's so dishonest that he can't substantiate his "the RJ Lee report clearly states that the iron was melted in the 'conflagration' of the 'wtc event', and not from fly ash" claims with a simple cut-and-paste from the RJ Lee Report. Instead he ignores my repeated requests that he substantiate his assertions. This proves, beyond a doubt, that he's a scurrilous liar and a charlatan.

"Cosmos" is a sick, pathetic joke. And he knows it.

 
At 03 February, 2011 13:31, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

BRILLIANT, Chewy!! Make sure to report this air-tight logic to the JREF clubhouse. Not only will they believe you, but Mackey will respond with something sciency about WTC7, like "it in no way resembled a controlled demolition". Hurry!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=199005

Read the thread moron! I've included your stupid comments from here to JREF.

 
At 03 February, 2011 13:43, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Is Cosmos Living Out a Double Identity, as an OCT Supporter As Well As A Truther?

http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2963

"At the very least, ladies and gentlemen, the credibility of Cosmos is now in serious doubt. For many years he claimed family member status of a 9/11 victim, and is now unequivocally on the record as changing his story."

Yup, he's got some explaining to do.

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:01, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"I proved, beyond a doubt, that the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres was the World Trade Center's concrete."
-GoiterBulge

“Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension.” -RJ Lee Group
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The amusing thing is that their whole premise is based on the iron coming from cutting the steel." Fat Liar.

Another source-less comment AGAIN, Pat? Wow... you'd think that being bludgeoned over and over on your own blog would teach you some research skills...

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, "Cosmos," because that quote mined fragment of the RJ Lee Report doesn't prove or substantiate your argument, shit-for-brains.

Here's what you wrote: "...can you tell us why the RJ Lee report clearly states that the iron was melted in the 'conflagration' of the 'wtc event', and not from fly ash"

The quote mined fragment from the RJ Lee Report you present doesn't explain why 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres covered Manhattan. In fact, it says absolutely nothing about the observed volume of spheres reported by the USGS.

Tell us, "Cosmos," if Steven Jones' theory is correct, how did 3,900 lbs of "nanothermite" produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate microsheres?

THUS, ANOTHER EPIC FAILURE FOR THE 9/11 "TRUHT" MOVEMENT!

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Face it, "Cosmos," the only possible sources of 10,000 TONS of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres is the World Trade Centers' lightweight concrete, which employed fly ash and pumice as aggregate.

Wikipedia writes, "...Concrete is a composite construction material, composed of cement (commonly Portland cement) and other cementitious materials such as fly ash and slag cement, aggregate (generally a coarse aggregate made of gravels or crushed rocks such as limestone, or granite, plus a fine aggregate such as sand), water, and chemical admixtures."

Continued...

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

ScienceDirect.com writes, "...Strength properties of lightweight concrete made with basaltic pumice and fly ash...This paper presents a part of the results of an ongoing laboratory work carried out to design a structural lightweight concrete (SLWC) made with basaltic pumice (scoria) as aggregate and fly ash as mineral admixtures. A control lightweight concrete mixture made with lightweight basaltic pumice (scoria) containing only normal Portland cement (NPC), and with fly ash lightweight concrete mixture containing 20% of fly ash as a replacement of the cement in weight basis was prepared. Fly ash is used for economical and environmental concern. The concrete samples were cured at 65% relative humidity at 20 °C temperature. The compressive and flexural tensile strengths of hardened concrete, the properties of fresh concrete including density, and slump workability were measured."

Source: Strength properties of lightweight concrete made with basaltic pumice and fly ash.

Thus, it is proven beyond a doubt that flay ash and pumice were present in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers. It is well established, moreover, that the Towers floor assemblies were made of lightweight concrete. Thus, the only source of 10,000 TONS of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres is the buildings' lightweight concrete.

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Here's the proof that fly ash and pumice are composed of iron-rich (in the case of fly ash) and alumino-silicate spheres (in the case of pumice).

The US Department of Energy wrote, "...All of the fly ash samples were comprised mainly of amorphous alumino-silicate spheres and a smaller amount of iron-rich spheres."

Source: US Department of Energy, National Energy Technology Laboratory: Fly ash characterization by SEM–EDS.

Here's a photomicrograph made with a Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM): Fly ash particles at 2,000 x magnification.

Photographic source: Wikipedia: Fly ash iron-rich spheres.

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

ScienceDirect.com writes, "...Strength properties of lightweight concrete made with basaltic pumice and fly ash...This paper presents a part of the results of an ongoing laboratory work carried out to design a structural lightweight concrete (SLWC) made with basaltic pumice (scoria) as aggregate and fly ash as mineral admixtures. A control lightweight concrete mixture made with lightweight basaltic pumice (scoria) containing only normal Portland cement (NPC), and with fly ash lightweight concrete mixture containing 20% of fly ash as a replacement of the cement in weight basis was prepared. Fly ash is used for economical and environmental concern. The concrete samples were cured at 65% relative humidity at 20 °C temperature. The compressive and flexural tensile strengths of hardened concrete, the properties of fresh concrete including density, and slump workability were measured."

Continued...

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Source: Strength properties of lightweight concrete made with basaltic pumice and fly ash.

Thus, it is proven beyond a doubt that flay ash and pumice were present in the construction of the World Trade Center Towers. It is well established, moreover, that the Towers floor assemblies were made of lightweight concrete. Thus, the only source of 10,000 TONS of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres is the buildings' lightweight concrete.

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

 
At 03 February, 2011 15:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Here's the conclusive proof that the World Trade Center Tower's floor assemblies were made of lightweight concrete.

Wikipedia writes, "....The floors consisted of 4 inches (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck."

Source: WTC--Structural Design.

Secondary Source: NIST NCSTAR 1 (2005), p. 10

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

 
At 03 February, 2011 18:42, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Another source-less comment AGAIN, Pat?

The passage you quote states only that the iron was there. It says nothing about the source. Any chance you'll get around to posting what the RJ Lee report says about the source of the iron microspheres?

If you're not feeling comfortable with that topic we can stick with something you're familiar with, like Cosmos telling a clumsy, stupid lie about Uncle Mickey.

 
At 04 February, 2011 09:32, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Since the temperature inside the WTC debris only reached about 1,341*F in some areas, it's highly unlikely that steel could melt at such a low temperature.

So "Cowardly" is completely wrong about molten steel/iron.

Hey Cowardly, it's called proper research pal. Epic fail on your part!

 
At 04 February, 2011 11:14, Blogger Pat said...

Looks like Microspheres Man has Friday off.

 
At 04 February, 2011 11:25, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Looks like Pat has offered nothing by way of actual refutation of the RJ Lee report, and that he swallowed Goiterbile's fake interpretation whole. How sad.

"...doesn't explain why 10,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres covered Manhattan. In fact, it says absolutely nothing about the observed volume of spheres reported by the USGS." -GoiterBalls

This is another lie. They clearly state that FE spheres comprised nearly 6% of the dust, and that the conflagration put them there.

Fat Pat and Goiterballs want you to believe THEIR MADE UP explanation of how that volume was reached. It's all in the report, kids. Post the link again, Billy.

 
At 04 February, 2011 11:37, Blogger Ian G. said...

And Cosmos is back because he clearly has nothing better to do with his life than stalk Pat.

Maybe you should try to get laid, Cosmos?

 
At 04 February, 2011 12:50, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

This is another lie. They clearly state that FE spheres comprised nearly 6% of the dust, and that the conflagration put them there.

No. That's nowhere in the report. You would have cited it by now if it was there.

You're just waking up at 11:30? Smoking weed and playing WoW at all hours must be more important to you than justice for Uncle Mickey. No wonder Jon won't talk to you... he's outgrown you. The whole movement has.

 
At 04 February, 2011 13:10, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Homina homina! Who's the little Asian hottie in the purple shirt at Troof protest a couple years ago? I'd pancake her lower floors.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:12, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"No. That's nowhere in the report. You would have cited it by now if it was there."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Try reading it, testes. Really try this time. Without drooling.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You have no credibility. "Cosmos."

No direct cut-and-paste from the Report, no cigar.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:25, Blogger Triterope said...

I'd pancake her lower floors.

I'd spray thermite on her infrastructure, if you know what I mean.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Hurry, "Cosmos," do the cut-and-paste from the RJ Lee Report before the library closes for the weekend!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Loser.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:30, Blogger Garry said...

'Pat Cowardly', you have masqueraded as a bereaved relative of the 9/11 attacks to claim some fake kudos for your rants.

You are scum. You are truly lower than snakeshit. Jeffrey Dahmer is looking at you from his pit in hell and saying, 'Damn, that man is a douche'.

 
At 04 February, 2011 14:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Come on, "Cosmos," post your 6% quote and garnish it with more specious nonsense. Because when you finish, I'm going to trash you, once and for all.

Come on, scumbag, I dare you!

(And don't forget, "Cosmos," I know the RJ Lee Report like the back of my hand--and I'm also well aware of it myriad faults.)

 
At 04 February, 2011 15:03, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"'Pat Cowardly', you have masqueraded as a bereaved relative of the 9/11 attacks to claim some fake kudos for your rants. "
-Garry

Source? Proof? Are you on Pat Curley's research team, that you just spew random bullshit and pray that you're right? Gutterbile does that too. You're in some enviable company, son.

 
At 04 February, 2011 15:14, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"I know the RJ Lee Report like the back of my hand--and I'm also well aware of it myriad faults."
-GoiterBoils

A demonstrable lie. How sad.

You claim they can't distinguish between spheres in fly ash, and melted iron in the dust, caused by fire. You've never seen the dust nor worked with it. Obvious lie is obvious. You continue to be a laughingstock, as does Pat. You're such a joke, you might as well call yourself Chewy JeffRense, or Keith Beachnut, or Patrick Curley.

 
At 04 February, 2011 15:24, Blogger Triterope said...

Jeffrey Dahmer is looking at you from his pit in hell and saying, 'Damn, that man is a douche'.

OK, I grant you he's a scumbag, but worse than a pedophile cannibal serial killer? That's a bit much.

 
At 04 February, 2011 15:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, "Cosmos," it's an evasion.

Where's the quote from the RJ Lee Report?

Produce the quote, NOW!

 
At 04 February, 2011 15:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The science illiterate, "Cosmos" scribbles, "...You've never seen the dust nor worked with it."

I don't need to work with the dust in order to find faults in the methodology--you shit-for-brains felcher.

Now, produce the 6% quote--you piece of shit.

NOW!

 
At 04 February, 2011 16:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I'm still waiting for that 6% quote from the RJ Lee Report, "Cosmos," and all I can hear are--you guessed it--

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

What were you saying about "laughingstock"--you science illiterate coward?

Come on, pussy, I dare you to post the 6% quote.

 
At 04 February, 2011 16:39, Blogger Pat said...

Take it easy on Cosmos, guys! Let's never forget... he's a family member!

 
At 04 February, 2011 17:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Before I tear "Cosmos" and new asshole, I have two questions for everyone who's interested: [1] How is fly ash produced? [2] How is pumice produced?

Clues:

[1] Fly ash: Think about the term pozzolan.

[2] Pumice: Think about the term obsidian flow.

And when you're finished, ask yourself another question: How does a scientist determine if iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres are the consequence of a "conflagration" or a another, perhaps natural, process?

%^)

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:38, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I'm still waiting for that 6% quote from the RJ Lee Report, "Cosmos."

*crickets*

*crickets*

*crickets*

What's the matter, "Cosmos," you don't want to play anymore, or did they close the library for the weekend?

 
At 05 February, 2011 04:55, Blogger Garry said...

'Source? Proof? Are you on Pat Curley's research team, that you just spew random bullshit and pray that you're right?'

You are 'Cosmos'. You claimed that Mark Rothenberg was your uncle (namely, a blood relative), as part of a sick stunt to bolster your credentials within the so-called 'truth' movement.

 
At 05 February, 2011 08:59, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Cowardly sites the RJ Lee Report without showing anything to prove that molten steel/iron was ever present @ GZ.

Then again, he has to explain why the temperature in some areas of th debris pile only reached 1,341*F & why it's so damn low in temperature as to not cause the steel/iron to melt.

 
At 05 February, 2011 18:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

WAQo, 1341 F was the surface temperature, indicative of much greater temperatures underneath.

 
At 07 February, 2011 10:27, Blogger Ian G. said...

WAQo, 1341 F was the surface temperature, indicative of much greater temperatures underneath.

So there were greater temperatures in the depths of the pile? Even if you have evidence of that, who cares?

 
At 07 February, 2011 10:38, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, 1341 F was the surface temperature, indicative of much greater temperatures underneath

But you have no source for that Brian. I know you don't!

1,341*F was in some areas of the debris pile. You're just too afraid to Google it up to read the facts.

Steel has a melting point of 2,600-2,800*F. There's not a chance in hell you can prove that theory without evidence of its existence.

 
At 07 February, 2011 23:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

WAQo, the surface temperatures recorded by the AVARIS overflights were 1341 F. Since there were no fires burning on the surface at the time, the source of the heat must have been the pile below. Since dust has insulative properties, for 1341 F to be recorded on the surface, the heat source beneath the dust must have been much hotter.

 
At 08 February, 2011 05:42, Blogger Ian G. said...

Why do we care about the temperatures inside the debris pile, Brian?

 
At 08 February, 2011 10:31, Blogger snug.bug said...

Because there is the issue of the molten steel, and of WAQo's irrational inference from the presence of 1341 F surface temperatures that there was no molten steel, though it was reported by Leslie Robertson, Dr. Astaneh-Asl, Dr. Ghoniem, Captain Philip Ruvolo, and several others.

Ian, I suggest that you take a few junior college courses, and try to get some sense from your instructors and your peers about how much your "Nobody cares" line contributes to the discussion.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:12, Blogger Ian G. said...

Because there is the issue of the molten steel, and of WAQo's irrational inference from the presence of 1341 F surface temperatures that there was no molten steel, though it was reported by Leslie Robertson, Dr. Astaneh-Asl, Dr. Ghoniem, Captain Philip Ruvolo, and several others.

Well, Brian, it's impossible to get molten steel if the temperatures are only 1341 degrees. You should Google things like "melting point of steel". It will help make up for the fact that your an ignorant failed janitor.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:25, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, the surface temperatures recorded by the AVARIS overflights were 1341 F. Since there were no fires burning on the surface at the time, the source of the heat must have been the pile below. Since dust has insulative properties, for 1341 F to be recorded on the surface, the heat source beneath the dust must have been much hotter.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.A.1000K.fit.gif

Look at the chart Brian, the chart reads "1,000" Kelvin. That means the debris reached a temperature of 1,341*F.

I've provided the source for the 1,341*F, it's your turn to provide a source that says it was greater than 1,341*F

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, 1341 F is the surface temperature. Also, you're not allowing for the fact that under sulfidation attack with a eutectic mixture, steel melts at 1800 F, as discussed in the FEMA Appendix C report.

WAQo, 1341 is the surface temperature. Deep in the pile, under 30 feet of insulating dust, the temperature would be much higher.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:52, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, 1341 is the surface temperature. Deep in the pile, under 30 feet of insulating dust, the temperature would be much higher.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.A.1000K.fit.gif

I've provided the source for the 1,341*F, it's your turn to provide a source that says it was greater than 1,341*F

Either provide a source or you can simply sit there repeating the same retarded garbage you've been repeating or shut the fuck up.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:53, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

If Brian can't provide a source, like I did, sayingthat the temperature was "greater" than 1,341*F.

Then he's a lying piece of shit!

Source the info or STFU!

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:58, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

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At 08 February, 2011 12:05, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, 1341 F is the surface temperature. Also, you're not allowing for the fact that under sulfidation attack with a eutectic mixture, steel melts at 1800 F, as discussed in the FEMA Appendix C report.

That's nice, Brian. Also, why are you babbling about this? Did Willie Rodriguez tell you that there was molten steel?

 
At 08 February, 2011 12:18, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

steel melts at 1800*F

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

In Appendix C, it states that only the surface of the steel was vulnerable to corrosion & particules on the surface only melted @ 1,800*F.

I'm reading it right now & no where in the file does it state melted steel. There's even photographs showing steel not melted.

So Brian is utterly wrong on all counts.

 
At 08 February, 2011 15:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

FEMA Appendix C shows that the steel not only melted, it vaporized.

 
At 08 February, 2011 16:28, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

FEMA Appendix C shows that the steel not only melted, it vaporized.

It didn't melt nor evaporate. I've read Appendix C, you're making shit up & lying.

Also, do you want me to give your personal info to Barrett & Rodriguez?

I know where you live & phone number.

Produce the sources for your info!

 
At 08 February, 2011 17:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pfffffft

 
At 08 February, 2011 20:24, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Brain's a chicken!

So does that mean you want me to forward your personal info to Kevin & Willie?

 
At 09 February, 2011 03:40, Blogger Triterope said...

Pfffffft

Pilots For Truth? You're with that group now?

 
At 09 February, 2011 08:25, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Brian,

Why are you so damn idiotic to believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories?

You know that it's just made up bullshit to get your mind going about "What if this happened or that?" Not to mention "If only".

Those people truely sucked your mind & warped your thinking to the state you're in now.

You blame other people for your ignorance & stupidity & you're not man enough to blame yourself for your own actions.

You got yourelf into your own mess, you can get yourself out of it.

 
At 09 February, 2011 10:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

WAQo, where did you get the idea that I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories? Did one of Ian's imaginary friends tell you that?

Oh, and if you communicate with Willie be sure to ask him how his South Africa tour went. I'm really curious to know, since last time I checked there's nothing on the internet about it.

 
At 09 February, 2011 10:53, Blogger Ian said...

WAQo, where did you get the idea that I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories? Did one of Ian's imaginary friends tell you that?

You told us that, Brian. You tell us that every day with your mindless babbling about thermite and "set up to fail" and "essentially in free-fall" and SAMs at the Pentagon and pyroclastic flows and the like. If you didn't believe in an inside job, you would harp on this stuff endlessly.

Oh, and if you communicate with Willie be sure to ask him how his South Africa tour went. I'm really curious to know, since last time I checked there's nothing on the internet about it.

Nobody cares about him but you because you're an obsessed lunatic who can't stand the fact that he's still held in high regard by the truth movement while you've been thrown out of the truth movement.

 
At 09 February, 2011 14:52, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, where did you get the idea that I believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories? Did one of Ian's imaginary friends tell you that?

Since they booted your ass out of the Truth Movement. Duh!

No, someone by the name of Brian Good did. Oh, that's you!

 
At 09 February, 2011 14:54, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Oh, and if you communicate with Willie be sure to ask him how his South Africa tour went. I'm really curious to know, since last time I checked there's nothing on the internet about it.

Jealous that he went & you didn't?

 
At 09 February, 2011 14:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, if Willie is held in high regard by the truth movement how come he couldn't get anyone to buy him a ticket to Australia, how come he hasn't had a US gig in over a year, how come his most recent gig was a disaster, and how come, when he announced his departure on a South African tour, not one person responded with a simple "Bon Voyage"?

 
At 09 February, 2011 15:32, Blogger Triterope said...

By that standard, NOBODY in the Truth movement is held in high regard.

 
At 09 February, 2011 16:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

TR, I thought you guys were all complaining about how Gage and Griffin are raking in the bucks.

 
At 09 February, 2011 17:10, Blogger Ian G. said...

TR, I thought you guys were all complaining about how Gage and Griffin are raking in the bucks.

Complaining? I don't care what Gage and Griffin do since they'll never receive a penny of my money. If gullible ignorant loons like you want to flush what little money you have down the toilet on these frauds, who cares?

 
At 10 February, 2011 16:31, Blogger Triterope said...

TR, I thought you guys were all complaining about how Gage and Griffin are raking in the bucks.

Yes, but that's not the issue here. The issue is your definition of "held in high regard" as "getting other people to pay for your travel schedule." I'll give you Richard Gage, since he's still making this business model work. But if that's your standard for "held in high regard by the Truth movement" then he's the only person who qualifies. Which makes your criticism of Willie Rodriguez meaningless.

 

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