Sunday, May 15, 2011

Lying Beleaguer...

AKA Brian Good:

Senator Mark Dayton already accused NORAD of lying, and Commissioners Kean and Hamilton wrote in their book that NORAD's shifting stories so angered them that they considered referring the matter for a Justice Dept. investigation.

But you'll never get the debunkers to admit it. You can quote the book and the news article and they'll just claim you're lying and taking stuff out of context.


I bring up the NORAD lies 3:00 into the debate with Jon Gold. The NORAD lies come up again at about 7:30 and at 8:30 I say "I think it's unconscionable the way that they lied to the commissioners and that was something they should have considered referring for criminal indictment."

Just call him Brian (Not So) Good (with the Truth).

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At 15 May, 2011 03:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 15 May, 2011 03:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Are there unanswered questions in regard to 9/11"

First of all, why should anyone take the two doe-eyed dildos who produced the debate seriously when they don't know to punctuate a question with a question mark? Inquiring minds want know.

Jon Gold's entire argument, moreover, is based on a logical fallacy: False equivalence.

Jon Gold claims that unanswered questions, no matter how trivial, are somehow "evidence." Gold's line of argumentation, however, is fallacious. In fact, questions are not evidence. This maxim is a major premise of jurisprudence. Sleazy defense attorneys often rely on precisely this brand of insinuation in order to sway the jury. Reliance on this tactic, however, is dishonest and is employed specifically to mislead the jury. Thus, Jon Gold's line of argument--to say nothing of the 9/11 "truth" movement in general--is specious and misleading.

That said, Jon Gold leads us down the garden path and asks us to consider the white lies NOARAD told to the 9/11 Commission. As anyone who has read NORAD's testimony can attest, the NORAD command didn't lie to cover up government involvement in some alleged international "conspiracy." Careful examination of the NORAD commanders' testimony leads to only one explanation for their reluctance to be candid with the 9/11 Commission: CYA (Cover Your Ass). Certainly NORAD's lies are unconscionable and to a certain degree inexcusable, but do they prove a high-level conspiracy to murder 3,000 innocent Americans? This is a leap of logic of Goodian proportions. In fact, the NORAD commanders feared they would be labeled incompetent and unfit for further duty, not pawns in some international conspiracy to murder 3,000 innocent Americans.

Thus, Jon Gold's argument is precisely the kind of rubbish we've come to anticipate from the so-called 9/11 "truth" movement, and is best described as bunkum, hokum, humbug, flapdoodle and balderdash.

Finally, should we be at all surprised that Brian "goat fucker" Good lies about the events of 9/11? The answer, naturally, is no more so than we should be surprised that night follows day.

 
At 15 May, 2011 06:33, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Jon Gold claims that unanswered questions, no matter how trivial, are somehow "evidence."

That sums it up. I think it's the most fascinating part of the 9/11 Truth Disease. These guys have made it their life's work to resolve trivial inconsistencies, oblivious to the massive inconsistencies those resolutions create.

Ever notice how there seem to be no prominent Truthers with young children? Little kids employ the same kind of shortsighted logic that Truthers do. Maybe dealing with that all day helps prevent one from using it.

 
At 15 May, 2011 07:52, Blogger Ian said...

Just call him Brian (Not So) Good (with the Truth).

Like Brian's claim that Willie Rodriguez doesn't have the guts to debate him?

 
At 15 May, 2011 10:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me. He's never done it in all these years, and there's no reason to think he'll do it now. He's only hidden behind a lot of lying shills and sockpuppets.

Years ago I challenged him to have a debate on Carol Brouillet's radio show. He doesn't have the guts.

 
At 15 May, 2011 11:37, Blogger sabba said...

snug.bug said...
Willie's Bitch Brian Good now is trying to hijack this post as well with his lies.
Ian, Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me. He's never done it in all these years, and there's no reason to think he'll do it now. He's only hidden behind a lot of lying shills and sockpuppets.

Years ago I challenged him to have a debate on Carol Brouillet's radio show. He doesn't have the guts.

as we can see here: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/05/screw-loose-change-to-host-debate.html
and also here: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/05/oh-canaduh.html
Brian the Liar has ran away from Rodriguez and will not debate him anywhere as he stated. Carol Brouillett will NEVER, EVER have him on her show.

Brian , by his own words, is worried about Rodriguez Charismatic personality.

 
At 15 May, 2011 14:51, Blogger roo said...

Brian,

You're a pussy! Go away1

 
At 15 May, 2011 14:58, Blogger Dan K. Stanley said...

Wow, I haven't heard from Martell in a while. I wonder what he'll think of this part of his life when he gets older?

 
At 15 May, 2011 16:25, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, Willie doesn't have the guts to debate me. He's never done it in all these years, and there's no reason to think he'll do it now. He's only hidden behind a lot of lying shills and sockpuppets.

Years ago I challenged him to have a debate on Carol Brouillet's radio show. He doesn't have the guts.


Unbelievable. Seek professional help Brian.

Also, Brian, I'm not a shill for Rodriguez. I never met the man. I just know that you're a deranged liar who is such a lunatic that you were expelled from the truth movement. A crackpot conspiracy cult that has Judy Wood, Bill Deagle, and Kevin Barrett as members in good standing decided that they couldn't deal with you anymore.

 
At 15 May, 2011 17:11, Blogger Ian said...

BTW, I think I can see how Brian ended up as a failed janitor:

The Intel Corporation in Mountain View, CA, late 1980s....

Brian's boss: Dammit, Good, I thought I told you to mop the floors!

Brian: You have not presented any evidence that I did not mop the floors.

Brian's boss: Jesus, Good, my shoe came off because it got stuck to the floor in a pool of dried, spilled Coca-Cola. Also, there's a puddle at the end of the hallway that is now a mosquito breeding ground!

Brian: Your claim that I did not mop the floors is illogical. Did Willie Rodriguez tell you I didn't mop the floors?


Brian's boss: You're fired.

 
At 15 May, 2011 18:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

LOL!

 
At 15 May, 2011 18:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 15 May, 2011 21:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I have never run away from Willie Rodriguez. But he, in refusing to answer questions, in refusing to engage in discussion on the internet, and in most cowardly fashion using Carol Brouillet as a human shield, has been running away from me for years.

Where did I say anything about Willie's charismatic personality? It must have been a joke--you know, wit? As opposed to what Ian and UtterFail can muster: wilt.

 
At 15 May, 2011 22:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

By the way, Ian, you forgot to include the part where the goat fucker accuses his boss of lying because he can't tell the goat fucker why it's obvious the floors were mopped, and then concludes his argument by telling his boss that he doesn't know enough about mopping floors to be able to state the obvious.

 
At 15 May, 2011 22:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, obviously my claim that you don't know enough about the construction of the WTC to know why NRDC's claim is ludicrous has wounded you deeply.

So why don't you go and fond out something about the construction of the WTC? I mean, the clue I gave you was friggin obvious, dumbass. You don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC.

Also, where's Willie? I thought there were claims made that he was willing to debate and I wasn't. Here I am. Here he isn't. For almost 4 years he's been running away from my questions.

 
At 15 May, 2011 22:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...As opposed to what Ian and UtterFail can muster: wilt."

The Good family motto: Incest is best, it's a game the whole family can play.

 
At 15 May, 2011 23:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...So why don't you go and fond out something about the construction of the WTC? I mean, the clue I gave you was friggin obvious, dumbass. You don't know the first thing about the construction of the WTC."

I've asked you on numerous occasions to give us your "theory", asshole, and so far I don't see anything.

Blowing smoke up our collective ass, goat fucker?

Or are you scared to death that I'll rip you to shreds?

Bring it on, goat fucker.

 
At 15 May, 2011 23:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, it is precisely because I know that it's a bulletproof fact that the NRDC notion of 424,000 tons of pulverized concrete is bullshit that I can make the claim in total confidence that it can not be contradicted.

I'm not scared of anything, including Willie Rodriguez, the 9/11 fraudster. Here I am, and here he isn't. Meanwhile, your buddy Kevin Barrett claims to be traveling in Turkey.

 
At 16 May, 2011 00:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer to my request, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

Put up or shut up, goat fucker.

Bring it on, charlatan.

 
At 16 May, 2011 00:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

Do your homework, bullshitter. The issue is obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about the construction of the wtc, which you obviously do not.

 
At 16 May, 2011 00:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 16 May, 2011 00:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

You're a liar and a pussy. You won't substantiate your assertion because you know that I'll rip your argument to shreds.

9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!

http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

 
At 16 May, 2011 00:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why do you in total hypocrisy continue to invoke the blog of a lying 9/11 bigot?

I guess desperation explains.

 
At 16 May, 2011 01:07, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

Why are you such a greasy, mealy mouthed charlatan?

Did you get sand in your pussy today, goat fucker?

9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!

http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

 
At 16 May, 2011 04:41, Blogger Ian said...

I'm not scared of anything, including Willie Rodriguez, the 9/11 fraudster. Here I am, and here he isn't.

False. You're terrified of Rodriguez. That's why you refuse to debate him. You know he's going to destroy you, we're all going to laugh at you, and you won't be able to do anything except squeal and call people "girls".

That's why you're posting so much dumbspam in an attempt to bury Willie's challenge to debate you.

 
At 16 May, 2011 04:43, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, Laurie Van Auken told me she wants you to debate Willie here. She says it will give he closure over the loss of her husband. She is in pain every day, Brian. How can you be so callous to the victims of 9/11?

 
At 16 May, 2011 08:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, there is no need for me to be afraid of that strutting, bragging, lying blob of latin manboob.

If Ms. van Auken wants to communicate with me, she needs to do so directly, and not through anonymous internet liars like you.

 
At 16 May, 2011 08:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

Here I am. Here Willie isn't. I'm not afraid of him. He's afraid of me. For almost four years the lying braggart has been running away from my questions. There's no reason to think he will ever answer them.

 
At 16 May, 2011 10:26, Blogger Max said...

Damn Brian - you are one sick individual. You need some serious help.

James & Pat - you really need to think about banning him. He is not right and as entertaining as he might be he seems to have crossed the line.

"I don't think your attacks on me, Kevin Barrett, and William Rodriguez

have anything to do with Kevin Barrett or William Rodriguez or

anything rational. The attacks have to do with Brian Good and Carol

Brouillet and are completely emotional. You have a crush on me and

erroneously hold delusions about me. You are being irrationally

jealous of Kevin and William. You cannot accept the fact that I am

happily married and refuse to allow you to TRY to cause trouble

between my husband and I. Because of your delusions, I cannot ever

feel "safe" in your presence alone, and would rather not see you

again, but you are so desperate for attention that you are doing

extremely negative, destructive things- attacking me and respected

members of the 9/11 Truth Movement to force me to pay attention to

you.



Please stop attacking Kevin, William and I. Do something useful-

attack the people who did 9/11, not the people who are putting so much

effort into exposing the lies and stopping them. Leave me alone- stop

the email attacks on me and others. I think it probably harms your

reputation more than mine, although it is horrifically embarrassing to

me to think that at one time I thought of you as a friend. Now I only

see you as a threat to me, my family, the Northern California 9/11

Truth Alliance and the 9/11 Truth Movement. I have zero confidence in

your judgement and rationality."



Carol brouillet

 
At 16 May, 2011 12:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

So Max, if you agree with Carol's conclusion, you must agree with her premise that the bigot and liar Kevin Barrett and the lying con artist William Rodriguez were doing a good job of "exposing the lies and stopping them."

Her expressed belief that my attacks on them were emotional--instead of based on the fact of their bigotry and lies--stems from that premise. If she's wrong about that, then her conclusion, and yours, is irrational.

 
At 16 May, 2011 13:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There's only one glaring problem with your specious "logic," goat fucker.

Your "logic" assumes that you're telling the truth. And as anyone with an IQ in excess of his or her shoe size can determine, you never tell the truth.

9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!

http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

 
At 16 May, 2011 13:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, anybody who reads Barrett's writings and watches his RT interview can see that he's a bigot and liar. Anyone who watches Rodriguez's videos can see that Willie is a liar. "Opening doors and letting people out" can only be true if the people are locked in. They weren't. The objective fact does not depend on my veracity in the least.

 
At 16 May, 2011 14:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...UtterFail, anybody who reads Barrett's writings and watches his RT interview can see that he's a bigot and liar. Anyone who watches Rodriguez's videos can see that Willie is a liar."

Squeal, squeal, squeal.

Another unsubstantiated assertion from the king of unsubstantiated assertions.

"...The objective fact does not depend on my veracity in the least."

Says the proven compulsive liar and con artist. You wouldn't know an "objective fact" if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

You are making the unsubstantiated accusation. Thus, the burden of proof falls on our shoulder's and your shoulder's alone--you illogical fool.

Once again, you FAIL

Grade: F-

9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!


http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 16 May, 2011 16:00, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, there is no need for me to be afraid of that strutting, bragging, lying blob of latin manboob.

So why won't you debate him?

If Ms. van Auken wants to communicate with me, she needs to do so directly, and not through anonymous internet liars like you.

Brian, she doesn't want to communicate with you because you're a deranged sex stalker. She trusts me.

 
At 16 May, 2011 16:01, Blogger Ian said...

Here I am. Here Willie isn't. I'm not afraid of him. He's afraid of me.

False. Rodriguez is posting at this blog. You're terrified of him because he's a hero and you're liar and lunatic and sex stalker.

 
At 16 May, 2011 17:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, why would I be terrified of a washed-up con artist?

 
At 16 May, 2011 18:21, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"Ian, why would I be terrified of a washed-up con artist?"

Funny, we all ask the same question about you every day.

 
At 16 May, 2011 18:58, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, why would I be terrified of a washed-up con artist?

I dunno. I can't attempt to get inside the head of someone as pathetic and deranged as you, Brian. All I know is that you are terrified of debating Rodriguez, but your reason for being so is as much a mystery as your reason to spend every waking hour posting dumbspam about the man all over the internet.

 
At 16 May, 2011 19:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Willie has been running and hiding from my questions for almost four years. His favorite technique is to promise some grandiose debate some time in the future, which of course never comes off.

My concern in debating Willie is the same one I expressed two years ago at 911oz: that Willie's sociopathic nature makes it likely that he will carelesslu hurt innocent third parties. That is why it is necessary to have the debate on Carol Brouillet's radio show--so she will have edit power.

 
At 17 May, 2011 01:48, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You can run from the truth, goat fucker, but you can't hide.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"...I don't think your attacks on me, Kevin Barrett, and William Rodriguez have anything to do with Kevin Barrett or William Rodriguez or anything rational. The attacks have to do with Brian Good and Carol Brouillet and are completely emotional. You have a crush on me and erroneously hold delusions about me. You are being irrationally jealous of Kevin and William. You cannot accept the fact that I am happily married and refuse to allow you to TRY to cause trouble between my husband and I. Because of your delusions, I cannot ever feel "safe" in your presence alone, and would rather not see you again, but you are so desperate for attention that you are doing extremely negative, destructive things- attacking me and respected members of the 9/11 Truth Movement to force me to pay attention to you...Please stop attacking Kevin, William and I. Do something useful-attack the people who did 9/11, not the people who are putting so much effort into exposing the lies and stopping them. Leave me alone- stop the email attacks on me and others. I think it probably harms your reputation more than mine, although it is horrifically embarrassing to me to think that at one time I thought of you as a friend. Now I only see you as a threat to me, my family, the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance and the 9/11 Truth Movement. I have zero confidence in your judgement and rationality." -- Carol Brouillet

Source: 9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!

http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

 
At 17 May, 2011 07:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 17 May, 2011 08:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, Carol was complaining about what she perceived to be my attitude. She was wrong about my attitude. The only complaint about my behavior was that I was attacking W-Fraud and Barrett for their recklessness and dishonesty. Because Carol considered these two sociopaths friends, she interpreted attacks on them as attacks on her.

You have repeatedly shown yourself to be a fool, UtterFail, and you like Willie the Fraud are trying to distract from that by using Carol as a human shield.

 
At 17 May, 2011 10:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Perception had nothing to do with it, sex predator.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It's a good thing you were lying to Carol Brulliet's husband, because if you tried to lie to me about my wife and claim that she was sleeping with someone other than me in order to wreck our marriage, it would be a miracle if you ever made it out of the ICU when I finished pulverizing you--you pencil necked scumbag.

 
At 17 May, 2011 12:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, where did you get the idea that I said anything at all to Carol's husband?

Have you learned nothing in the past ten years about the dangers of placing trust in unreliable intel? You're not skating on thin ice--you're trying to walk on no ice. Glug glug glug

 
At 17 May, 2011 16:38, Blogger Brian Good, Stalker said...

@Guitarbill,
This may help alot, trust me:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=22360&postcount=120

 
At 17 May, 2011 18:58, Blogger Triterope said...

Oh, wow.

 
At 17 May, 2011 21:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

What's that, another lie from another one of Willie's sock puppets? Have you noticed that the sock puppets seem to share the same grammatical tics (like weird plurals and stuff) as Willie himself?

 
At 17 May, 2011 23:24, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Wednesday.
Thanks everybody for the effort.
I apologize to the readers for the lost of time and for the cat and mouse race. We have seen the obvious actions of a Liar, an alleged stalker, a deranged attacker who not only lie about others beside me, not matter in what side they are, who at the end, did not and I repeat did not dare to face me. Although he is now trying to make a new conspiracy with me and the JREF, Screwloosechange, Pat Curley, etc. I have to say for the record that since I came here, I have been treated with respect and with patience and the only bad behavior has been, surprisingly from a self named truther who does not represent anybody on the truth movement that he alleges to be a researcher for (What?!). Bad behavior from somebody whose insults in every sentence and then call to civility and gentlemanly behavior if a debate was possible, does not makes sense to anybody on any side of the fence.
Again, my apologies for all the lost time and for dealing with the obvious mental case named Brian Good. I learned a new lesson from all of you here, and I am not afraid to accept it.
Good luck in dealing with him.

 
At 18 May, 2011 00:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie Fraud, why so quick to close down the debate offer? Can't you, the Truth Movement Darling, find one truth venue that will watch out for Carol's interests while you squash me, the Truth Movement Pariah, like a bug? Why not?

I reiterate my challenge from 3 years ago: if you ever appear in the Bay Area I will picket your venue, I will leaflet progressive events, and I will relish the opportunity to call you out for a liar to your face.

 
At 18 May, 2011 01:06, Blogger sabba said...

Willies lying bitch Brian Good says:
... and I will relish the opportunity to call you out for a liar to your face. Yeah right, you have been owned, pawned , you are definitively Willie's bitch now. Willie made you his bitch , here, publicly, for everybody to see.
have fun with your fake bravado now, Bitch!

 
At 18 May, 2011 09:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 18 May, 2011 09:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

In fact I have pwned Willie in one sentence:
If he saved hundreds on the 39 floors where he opened doors, then thousands should have died on the 130-something floors below the impact zone that he never reached--and they didn't.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker bald-faced lies, "...In fact I have pwned Willie in one sentence:
If he saved hundreds on the 39 floors where he opened doors, then thousands should have died on the 130-something floors below the impact zone that he never reached--and they didn't."


Willie the Rod made no such claim whatsoever--you lying prat.

Wikipedia wrote, "...He claimed in federal court documents that he single-handedly rescued fifteen persons. His website william911.com more modestly puts it 'helped fifteen (15) persons from the WTC to safety.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rodriguez

This proves what a scurrilous liar you are, goat fucker.

I proved you're lying about these figures in another thread; yet, you continue to tell the same lie as though it was never debunked.

The goat fucker continues to tell the same lies as though he was never debunked.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you don't know what you're talking about.

This three minute video shows where Willie claims repeatedly that he saved "hondreds" (isn't he cute? 25 years in the USA and he still says "hondreds".)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzBcan2Z3k

Willie claimed on C-Span that "this key saved hundreds of lives". When the BBC interviewer said "this key saved hundreds of lives" Willie nodded and said yes. He told Dutch TV "I was recognized for saving hundreds of lives". The trailer for one of his movies that never came off had his voice saying "I saved hundreds ... hundreds." You make up your facts.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Trying to bury your latest failure in dumbspam--you lying prat?

From Willie web page:

"...On 9/11, Rodriguez initially rescued fifteen (15) persons from the WTC, and as Rodriguez was the only person at the site with the master key to the North Tower stairwells, he bravely led firefighters up the stairwell, unlocking doors as they ascended, thereby aiding in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of those who survived. Rodriguez, at great risk to his own life, re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck."

http://www.william911.com/

Your word isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it, goat fucker.

Show me where the firefighters who accompanied Willie up the stairs bring his version of the story into question, or STFU.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Your word isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it, goat fucker.

From Willie's website we find the following:

"...On 9/11, Rodriguez initially rescued fifteen (15) persons from the WTC, and as Rodriguez was the only person at the site with the master key to the North Tower stairwells, he bravely led firefighters up the stairwell, unlocking doors as they ascended, thereby aiding in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of those who survived. Rodriguez, at great risk to his own life, re-entered the Towers three times after the first, North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building's collapse by diving beneath a fire truck."

http://www.william911.com/

Show me where the firefighters who accompanied Willie the Rod up the stairs bring his story into question?

You can't? Then STFU.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, the firefighters who accompanied Willie up the stairs died. That's what makes Willie's lies all the more disgusting. They died, he didn't, and he steals their glory with his bragging tales. Not one credible FDNY person will verify Willie's claims. In the case of John Schroeder we seem to have a guy who is deliberately trying to embarrass Willie by crediting him with rescues he never did.

 
At 18 May, 2011 12:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...UtterFail, the firefighters who accompanied Willie up the stairs died."

Says the compulsive liar and psychopath. Prove it.

The goat fucker lies, "...In the case of John Schroeder we seem to have a guy who is deliberately trying to embarrass Willie by crediting him with rescues he never did."

Nice doublethink, goat fucker. Orwell has nothing on you.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 13:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I can't prove a negative (that none of the men who went up the stair with Willie survived). There is no evidence that any credible firefighter verifies Willie's story, but you might start your investigation with an examination of John Schroeder's story. I don't know if Gravy discusses Schroeder or not.

Mr. Schroeder's story was for me the moment when the plot thickened and I started to get really interested in Willie's tales.

 
At 18 May, 2011 13:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...UtterFail, I can't prove a negative (that none of the men who went up the stair with Willie survived)."

I'm not asking you to prove a negative--you uneducated and deceitful prat. Obviously, your knowledge of logic is as threadbare as your alleged knowledge of physics.

You made a direct assertion--and I quote: "...UtterFail, the firefighters who accompanied Willie up the stairs died."

Prove it, or STFU.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 13:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, you asked me to show where the firefighters who accompanied Willie the Rod up the stairs bring his story into question.

I can't do that if they're dead. I can't prove that they're dead. Nobody can. Asking me to prove that they didn't survive is asking me to prove a negative. The most reasonable conclusion from the evidence is that they're dead.

 
At 18 May, 2011 13:57, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not proof, goat fucker. That's an evasion.

You made a direct assertion. Now, either back up your assertion with hard evidence or STFU.

You're nothing but a scurrilous liar, and not a word that emanates from your keyboard can be trusted for one microsecond.

 
At 18 May, 2011 14:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Asking me to prove that they didn't survive is asking me to prove a negative."

I didn't ask you to "Prove a negative"--you lying prat. I asked you to provide evidence to support your assertion.

Deceptively placing the word "not" in front of an assertion on your part doesn't mean I'm asking you to prove a negative--you lying prat.

 
At 18 May, 2011 15:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

I think it was Willie that told me they were dead. It's sometimes difficult to distinguish Willie from his sock puppets because they share the same grammatical tics.

 
At 18 May, 2011 16:11, Blogger Ian said...

@Guitarbill,
This may help alot, trust me:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=22360&postcount=120


Hilarious. And needless to say, Brian was banned over there. It's funny that this is the only site that is willing to tolerate Brian's insanity.

You really can't make someone like Brian up: an unemployed middle-aged loser who was somehow expelled from a crackpot conspiracy cult and spends hours and hours posting nonsense at this blog while getting laughed at and all the while claiming victory.

It's hilarious.

 
At 18 May, 2011 16:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...I think it was Willie that told me they were dead."

Oh, now it's Willie's fault that you try to pass of your opinion as "fact,"--you lying prat?

An ever shifting rational is the defining characteristic of a liar.

Once again, you FAIL.

Grade: F-

Squirm, goat fucker, squirm--you lying weasel.

 
At 18 May, 2011 19:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

Gosh, those shifting rationals. I hate it when that happens. Aren't you late for a MESA meeting?

Your use of white space for punctuation is thread pollution, UtterFool.

 
At 18 May, 2011 19:48, Blogger Ian said...

Gosh, those shifting rationals. I hate it when that happens. Aren't you late for a MESA meeting?

Your use of white space for punctuation is thread pollution, UtterFool.


You can always tell when Brian knows he's been pwn3d, because then he starts the pointless squealing. After that, he declares victory and calls everyone "girls".

You really are wildly entertaining, Brian.

 
At 18 May, 2011 22:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your habit of quoting the post immediately preceding yours is also thread pollution, Ian.

 
At 19 May, 2011 00:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 19 May, 2011 00:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

On the contrary, goat fucker, the real cause of "thread pollution" is a direct result of you clicking on "Publish This Comment."

 
At 19 May, 2011 06:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

My 9-year-old niece is ever so much clever than you, GutterBall. Here's how she puts it:

"Everybody has their faults,
but yours are only two:
Everything you say, and
everything you do."

 
At 19 May, 2011 18:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You don't have a niece, goat fucker. As I've already proven, your family tree is a straight line.

 
At 20 May, 2011 00:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFool, like most fools, you find it very easy to prove to yourself what you want to believe.

 
At 20 May, 2011 02:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, for someone with the IQ of lint, you certainly have a overblown opinion of yourself; nevertheless, the inbreeding is certainly obvious in your family.

 
At 20 May, 2011 11:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 20 May, 2011 11:24, Blogger snug.bug said...

But I play a hell of a banjo, don't I? That's 'cause I don't have fat floppy penises for fingers like some guys do.

Give it up, UtterFail. You can't even lie with any wit or style. Your househusbandry is taking its toll on your mind, which was no great shakes even when you still had an adult conversation now and then.

 
At 20 May, 2011 11:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Poor, goat fucker. He just can't handle that I have a career, an education and a family, while he lives with his mother in abject poverty.

In fact, the goat fucker's mother is so old that her blood type was discontinued. But you have to love the old hag, right goat fucker? After all, she's the person who shit you out into this world.

 
At 20 May, 2011 13:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

You and Willie are two peas in a pod--both determined to demonstrate that you have no class at all.

 
At 20 May, 2011 20:32, Blogger sabba said...

yeah Brian, you did a classy exit with the debate!

 
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At 20 May, 2011 23:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

As opposed to what, goat fucker? After all, you've never demonstrated one ounce of "class," all you have is crass.

 
At 21 May, 2011 08:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 21 May, 2011 08:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

Thank you, sabba, I am pleased with the way that I handled the debate. I managed to achieve my primary goal of avoiding collateral damage, I made my point, I irrefutably demolished Willie's case in three sentences, I resisted the temptation to indulge in homophobia, and I demonstrated a humane and forgiving attitude when I suggested a pathway by which Willie can move on and reinvent himself as something worthwhile.
I think I handled it quite well.


UtterFail, all you've got is ass and gas.

 
At 21 May, 2011 10:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...I managed to achieve my primary goal of avoiding collateral damage..."

You don't give an damn about "collateral damage." The only person you give a damn about is yourself.

"...I resisted the temptation to indulge in homophobia..."

To say nothing of your indulgence in homosexuality.

I stand by my statement: You have not one ounce of "class." All you have is crass.

Proof?

If you had one ounce of class, you'd leave SLC. You've been asked repeatedly to go away and stop this nonsense; yet, you steadfastly refuse to just leave. Thus, you have not one ounce of class.

 
At 21 May, 2011 13:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

From Garbage In to QED in one spectacular leap. It's pretty easy to see, UtterFail, why you have outlived your employability.

Have you considered starting a medical marijuana farm?

 
At 21 May, 2011 22:20, Blogger sabba said...

William Rodriguez owned Bitch, Brian Good AkA- snug.bug, says: Thank you, sabba, I am pleased with the way that I handled the debate.
Yeah, by not facing Rodriguez and then hiding behind Carol's Radio show. Then Hiding behind Visibility911 and 911blogger. Congrats. You handle it very well and you may be seen as the new truthers debating star. NOT!

I managed to achieve my primary goal of avoiding collateral damage, I made my point, I irrefutably demolished Willie's case in three sentences,

Really? you really believe that? don't you? You have done nothing and you scared away in facing William Rodriguez on a debate. Simple as that.
but...! I will be clear with you, I manage to achieve my goal knowing your obsession of William. So I play you until I cornered you to babble your bravado and then *we* produced William Rodriguez to challenge you in real time.
You looked really classy yourself calling him names instead of facing him. Real classy from a bitch!

I resisted the temptation to indulge in homophobia...
Wow! so it is clear, you really wanted to indulge in homophobia! so much temptation!

...and I demonstrated a humane and forgiving attitude when I suggested a pathway by which Willie can move on and reinvent himself as something worthwhile.

you? forgiving? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
you do not forgive him to expose you , challenge you and then chew you publicly. Rodriguez was more forgiving by giving you the only chance you had to face him. who gives chances to a stalker? re think and re think.

I think I handled it quite well.
Indeed! we never expected anything less from you and your lies.

See Brian, I know how to make go gay crazy and talk about Willie all I want. Is a fact.


UtterFail, all you've got is ass and gas.

Oh wow, that is classy. Bitch!
Brian Good, Have you called C-Span yet?

 
At 22 May, 2011 09:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I faced Willie here. He ran away, as he's been running away for almost 4 years now.

I irrefutably demolished his case in three sentences:


1. You stole the story of Pablo Ortiz, a 9/11 hero who saved dozens of people by breaking down doors and letting trapped people out and who died himself when WTC1 fell down.

2. Your claim that you saved hundreds is verified by no one, proven by death statistics to be untrue, and depends on a belief that any fireman, cop, security guard, janitor, or architect can see in an instant is a lie--the notion that people were trapped behind locked fire exit doors waiting for an Angel of God with a Key of Hope to come and set them free.

3. Since the summer of 2007 you have been using Carol Brouillet as a human shield to try to intimidate me and to distract from your lies and delay the day when your fraudulence is exposed to all.

And Sabba if you want "to make go gay crazy and talk about Willie all I want," feel free. I'm not stopping you. Knock yourself out.

 
At 22 May, 2011 10:10, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Bitch, Brian Good says:
Sabba, I faced Willie here. He ran away, as he's been running away for almost 4 years now.
You did not face anybody. You just continued your nonsense that you do not dare to ask him in a debate. You are a disgrace to your own group. Pussy.


I irrefutably demolished his case in three sentences.

Say you and nobody elses. Your own believe and funny the best is number 3. YOu have been trying to lie for the last 4 years about how you harrassed Carol Brouillett and now you are trying to do some damage control, I have no doubts whatsoever that those emails were real, but keep doubting it, please! we will love nothing more than you pushing the issue, that way many of those e-mails can be made public!
Your number one point, is the first time you claim things about Hero Ortiz, whose family I am being put in contact with , soon. I will ask them their thoughts about you.how funy for somebody who has denied there was no need to use a key to open the doors since it was easy for people to get out, did not expect us to research and find out that indeed, they had to break doors and pry open places to rescue people. On that point alone I was waiting for the debate to see how Rodriguez was going to chew you on your statements. I guess, we will never know since you ran away.

 
At 22 May, 2011 10:13, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Bitch, Brian Good says:
...And Sabba if you want "to make go gay crazy and talk about Willie all I want," feel free. I'm not stopping you. Knock yourself out.

see what I mean...

Never fails.
Have you called C-Span yet?

 
At 23 May, 2011 00:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I confronted Willie in this forum, I presented him with 3 irrefutable points, and he ran away.

I long ago challenged him to debate on the sf911truth googlegroup. How about it?

Pablo Ortiz broke down doors to free people--up near the impact zone. Willie never got anywhere near the impact zone.

I didn't run away from anything. I'm right here, Willie isn't. I will debate Willie on Carol's radio program, on the sf911truth googlegroup, or by speakerphone at any meeting of the sf911truth alliance.

 
At 23 May, 2011 00:33, Blogger sabba said...

William Rodriguez bitch and Stalker of Carol Brouillett, Brian Good, says:

Sabba, I confronted Willie in this forum, I presented him with 3 irrefutable points, and he ran away.
Lie. He came he challenged you and you dodge and manipulated the evasion. You are scared to face him and to debate him face to face.

I long ago challenged him to debate on the sf911truth googlegroup. How about it?
BS, you keep changing the places as we speak. You never showed evidence of anything that supports your statements.

Pablo Ortiz broke down doors to free people--up near the impact zone. Willie never got anywhere near the impact zone.

DUH!!!!

I didn't run away from anything. I'm right here, Willie isn't. I will debate Willie on Carol's radio program, on the sf911truth googlegroup, or by speakerphone at any meeting of the sf911truth alliance.
HHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH NOW IS THE SF911TRUTH GROUP! HOW FUNNY YOU ARE! You ran away years ago when Rodriguez offered to have an event for the benefit of 9/11SF group, you said it yourself and you decided not to do it because WR said he was going to bring victims with him. Your lies keeps getting bigger Brian Good.
Funny how he posted there in your olf "friends" group. It could have been easily erased by the admins... I mean Carol.
Bitch!
Have you called C-Span yet? is going to be a year soon that I have been asking you that.

 
At 23 May, 2011 00:44, Blogger sabba said...

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At 23 May, 2011 00:46, Blogger sabba said...

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At 23 May, 2011 00:47, Blogger sabba said...

William Rodriguez bitch and Stalker of Carol Brouillett, Brian Good, says:

will debate Willie on Carol's radio program, on the sf911truth googlegroup, or by speakerphone at any meeting of the sf911truth alliance.

A. Carol will never ever have you on the program.

B. You were banned from SF911truth group more than a year ago for harrassment and stalking of fellow members (Carol, Rodriguez, White).

C. by speakerphone? BUAWAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Case closed!
You see how I can get you to never stop your obsession with Willie Rodriguez Brian? I know how to push your buttons. I just have to do the homework to show how you lie. Believe me , this is fun for me.

 
At 23 May, 2011 11:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, Willie's grandiose insistence on a face to face encounter is his way of dodging. He's been afraid for 3-1/2 years to come to the Bay Area because he knows he's been exposed as a fraud and he will get a face to face encounter he will regret and possibly even criminal charges.

I am willing to debate Willie in any forum that is properly moderated and so protects the interests of Willie's human shields.

I didn't run away from anything and Willie didn't post at the sf911truth googlegroup. Kai Middleton posted his message. Why was that?

How do you know what Carol will never do? What's so funny about a speakerphone? We could have a 20-minute debate at the truth alliance meeting. You (I mean Willie) could make your (I mean his) silly claims about Carol to her face, and then she could explain that you're (I mean Willie) lying, and then I could explain that you're (I mean Willie) a fraud who stole the glory of the dead 9/11 hero Pablo Ortiz.

Willie doesn't have the guts.

 
At 23 May, 2011 11:47, Blogger sabba said...

William Rodriguez owned Bitch, Brian Good AkA- snug.bug, says:Sabba, Willie's grandiose insistence on a face to face encounter is his way of dodging. He's been afraid for 3-1/2 years to come to the Bay Area because he knows he's been exposed as a fraud and he will get a face to face encounter he will regret and possibly even criminal charges.

Buawahahahahhahahahhahahaha!!!!!!
that is the best idiotic post from you this last month!! Love it! So how come you will not face him? How come you do not press charges? I tell you why Brian, because he will own you again and then countersue you. All he has to do is bring a family member or a survivor and you are screwed. But then again, we challenge you to do that too!!
The plot thickens!!! Buawahahahahahhahahaha

I am willing to debate Willie in any forum that is properly moderated and so protects the interests of Willie's human shields.
Bullshit Brian Good. In a debate you cannot control the opponent. Sorry to enlighten you.

I didn't run away from anything and Willie didn't post at the sf911truth googlegroup. Kai Middleton posted his message. Why was that?

To make it more official. To have other members involvement. Why don't you contact Kai?

How do you know what Carol will never do? What's so funny about a speakerphone? Real pussy maneuver Brian.
We could have a 20-minute debate at the truth alliance meeting.
yeah , ok
You (I mean Willie) could make your (I mean his) silly claims about Carol to her face, and then she could explain that you're (I mean Willie) lying, and then I could explain that you're (I mean Willie) a fraud who stole the glory of the dead 9/11 hero Pablo Ortiz.
ME , I can debate you also if you want. I gathered enough lies from stuff not even related to willie that I welcome the invitation. How about it bitch? and since you are insinuating I am Willie, present your evidence to support it, and I will make you my bitch also. I challenge you my new Bitch.

Willie doesn't have the guts.
He already did Brian Good.
And so do I.
Have you called C-Span yet?

 
At 23 May, 2011 12:08, Blogger Brian Good, Stalker said...

Brian Good says:You (I mean Willie) could make your (I mean his) silly claims about Carol to her face, and then she could explain that you're (I mean Willie) lying, and then I could explain that you're (I mean Willie) a fraud who stole the glory of the dead 9/11 hero Pablo Ortiz.
yes why don't you,( I mean punsuxtawneybarney)support your silly claims? Why don't you ( I mean "Petgoat") get Carol B. to support you?
That could explain why you ( I mean Truetruther)cannot get on her show. You (I mean Contrivance, Snug.bug)could shut a lot of mouths here and on the internet once and for all...but that will never happen since they all think you are an asshole, a scumbag and a stalker.

 
At 23 May, 2011 13:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, since Willie clearly has no ethical or moral sense, I must play my cards carefully to ensure that no innocents are hurt by his cowardly insistence on employing human shields. Only a moderated debate can ensure that.

I have supported my claims, sabba. I showed that Willie is a liar, a fraud, and that he steals his glory from dead heroes.

 
At 23 May, 2011 19:39, Blogger sabba said...

William Rodriguez owned Bitch, Brian Good AkA- snug.bug, says:Sabba, since Willie clearly has no ethical or moral sense, I must play my cards carefully to ensure that no innocents are hurt by his cowardly insistence on employing human shields. Only a moderated debate can ensure that.
Ethical you? that is a new one! the lying, insulting bastard now is ethical!
Indeed, you have been playing your cards extremely careful, by not facing him. It is obvious to anybody Brian, everybody but you.
Have you called C-Span yet?
Are you accepting my debate challenge bitch? You claimed I was willie and I offered to face you and debate you on other garbage not even related to Carol. Are you game bitch?

 
At 23 May, 2011 20:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

I faced him, sabba. I showed irrefutably that he was a liar and a fraud. All he can do is claim "Just wait until the debate!" We already had the debate.

 
At 23 May, 2011 22:13, Blogger sabba said...

WIllie's lying yenta and Bitch, Brian Good aka snug.bug said...

I faced him, sabba. I showed irrefutably that he was a liar and a fraud. All he can do is claim "Just wait until the debate!" We already had the debate.
you did not faced him and you did not prove anything but that you were lying by your own references. You even said here:I am willing to debate Willie in any forum that is properly moderated and so protects the interests of Willie's human shields.
and here: I don't think a debate under SLC's sponsorship is a good idea because SLC has already shown that its agenda is to try to make the truth movement look bad.
or this: They have already done what they can to try to make me look foolish, and can do little more. All that's in it for them is to give Willie a chance to make Carol look foolish, and I'm not going to be a party to that.
or how about this excuse?: The reason it can not be in real time is because the hero Willie uses Carol as a human shield and I don't want her hurt.
We can find other things like this one:A real time debate is not acceptable...
Well? how about this Brian Good? sabba, real time debates are a bad idea when one of the parties will abuse the opportunity by lying.

And don't we love when the Stalked person himself came here and said:

William_Rodriguez said...

Hey Brian, I called Carol yesterday to check things out and compare notes. I also corroborated certain things and I am totally sure that she will not have you on her show. If you think I am lying, go ahead, communicate directly with her.
Find out if I did or did not call. GO ahead, nobody else's knows that but her and me and now everybody. She does not talks to you, and will not talk to you.
And yes , I want you to face me and I want to expose your lies that you have denied here as well. Even and fair.
I do not have all the time for worms like you so better take this opportunity and make your case once and for all.

So you see, and everybody can see why you are such a pussy and now, Willie's bitch. I cannot wait for you to face him on 9/11blogger and visibility911 like you said! ah and of course SF9/11group. We cannot wait to see the meltdown!!!!!

Do you like my new photo of you Brian?

 
At 24 May, 2011 11:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why should I care whether Willie called Carol or not?

I proved irrefutably that he was a liar and a fraud. All he can do is claim "Just wait until the debate!" We already had the debate.

 
At 24 May, 2011 12:12, Blogger sabba said...

yeah right! keep dodging Brian Good. Nobody believes you anyway.

Did you like my new photo Brian?

 
At 24 May, 2011 14:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

A wide-angle close-up is not my best shot. It might improve W-Fraud's appearance though.

 
At 24 May, 2011 14:52, Blogger sabba said...

So what is your best shot? medium shot or close up? I am sure I can produce one of you.

 
At 24 May, 2011 22:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

Normally portraiture is done with the equivalent of a 100-150 mm lens. Normal lenses tend to distort someone's nose. A wide-angle lens introduces even more distortion. In the case of your avatar, the jaw is too big, the nose is about right and the forehead is shrunken.

 
At 24 May, 2011 22:09, Blogger sabba said...

Ok Brian, Thanks for the observation. I think I found a better picture of you. Is more descriptive and the lens was not on close-up 100 mmm. I will wait for comments on this photo of you on my AVATAR to see if the group likes it better. You see I am still trying to find the best photo that fits you, of you.

Have you called C-Span yet?

 
At 25 May, 2011 09:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

There's no reason to call C-Span. If there has been a 9/11 Truth program on C-span since Willie squandered two hours in 8/07 on bragging and lies, it is up to you to demonstrate it.

 
At 25 May, 2011 12:14, Blogger sabba said...

Willie's Bitch , Brian Good, AKA- snug.bug said...

There's no reason to call C-Span. If there has been a 9/11 Truth program on C-span since Willie squandered two hours in 8/07 on bragging and lies, it is up to you to demonstrate it.

...and I told you that rodriguez 2 hour fest was repeated several times that same week and that hey have the best views about ROdriguez. IT is you who has to demonstrate that it was because of willie that C-Span does not covers your bs. We called. You didn't.
Bitch!

 
At 25 May, 2011 13:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

Repeats of Willie's performance are not the issue. The point is that since Willie's fraud-fest, C-Span has not done any more 9/11 Truth coverage. The truth movement had a good relationship with C-Span--they covered Griffin's Madison speech, they covered the family members' press conference in DC, they covered the scholars' symposium in LA.

Then they covered Willie's silly piffle in 8/07 and they haven't done a truth movement program since. Looks like Willie killed the relationship--because he made the truth movement look like a bunch of rubes who will believe anything.

 

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