AIA Disowns Gage and His Gaggle
Although they're happy to take his money, they make it quite clear that they consider him a nutcase:
The AIA itself, however, is firm about its relationship with Gage. “We don’t have any relationship with his organization whatsoever,” Scott Frank, head of media relations for the AIA, told me.
The former employee of the Walnut Creek, Calif.-based architectural firm Akol & Yoshii is a full-time 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but Gage tries to maintain a façade of being a scientist asking scientific questions. He does his best to avoid the murkier political questions of who could have orchestrated a conspiracy theory and cover-up of the size and scope that the 9/11 conspiracy movement alleges, but his technical views are actually quite mainstream within the Truth movement.
Hat Tip: Dave Thomas at JREF.
posted by Pat @ 8:11 AM
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It's interesting that they couldn't get an actual architect to write the article. It's also interesting that Jeremy Stahl finds it necessary to resort to blatant lies to bolster his piece.
What? They had a writer write the article? Shocking.
Maybe they couldn't find an architect to write it because none of them could stop laughing long enough to write about Box-Tard.
Why did they allow the writer to lie instead of demanding a truthful argument?
No lies, except in Brian's retarded troofer world.
If you don't know that the article is full of lies, you don't know about 9/11.
"If you don't know that the article is full of lies, you don't know about 9/11."
All I need to know is AIA wants nothing to do with Box-Tard Gage and his nitwit architects for BS buddies.
All the truth you need to know.
Pretty comical reference to Alex Jones, apparently the paranoid losers who listen to his show don’t believe him and he is “shocked.”
“Jones has also been on the receiving end of such resolute disbelief. When some listeners expressed doubts about his biography, he was startled to learn that some of them traveled to suburban Dallas to look up his high school yearbooks. “People just don’t believe anything,” he says.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romneys-tax-returns-obamas-birth-certificate-and-the-end-of-trust/2012/07/20/gJQA2eZbyW_print.html
Jones fans rejection of anything that deviates from his anti-American worldview and he wonders why he runs into skepticism? The only critique I have of the article is the description of him as a “libertarian.” I’m not a libertarian but have some respect for those who are and a true libertarian wouldn’t spew the anti-immigrant and anti-wealthy rhetoric of the likes of Jones. A better description of his views would be “populist” as almost all populists rail against “the elite.”
I tried to post the URL as a hyperlink, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyone know why?
MGF wrote: All I need to know is AIA wants nothing to do with Box-Tard Gage and his nitwit architects for BS buddies.
Right. All you need to do is skip to the desired outcome, and it doesn't matter one bit to you if the outcome is based on lies.
Gage isn't a lunatic. He's a con artist who looks around for the ignorant, mentally ill, and mentally incompetent so he can swindle them out of their money.
It's interesting that they couldn't get an actual architect to write the article. It's also interesting that Jeremy Stahl finds it necessary to resort to blatant lies to bolster his piece.
Why did they allow the writer to lie instead of demanding a truthful argument?
If you don't know that the article is full of lies, you don't know about 9/11.
Right. All you need to do is skip to the desired outcome, and it doesn't matter one bit to you if the outcome is based on lies.
See what I mean?
I'd also like to remind Brian that he still hasn't identified a single widow with a question. Not one.
"...I tried to post the URL as a hyperlink, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyone know why?"
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CD, it works for me.
Ian, you lie. You know as well as I that I have dozens of times named the widows who still have questions, and that 273 of the widows' 300 questions have not been answered by the 9/11 Commission.
GB, why are you quoting the unsourced claims of a bigot, liar, and advocate of armed rebellion against the Obama government?
Did you know that your source has called for 500,000 American Zionists to be imprisoned in concentration camps?
Still trying to pass off loaded questions that are attributed to no one as "questions," shit-for-brains?
Nothing ever changes with you, does it, scum.bag?
Lie, lie, lie and lie. And then you turn around and accuse your detractors of lying. Don't you have a female troofer to sexually harass, Prince Charming? Do the World a favor and go play in the middle of US highway 101.
"...GB, why are you quoting the unsourced claims of a bigot, liar, and advocate of armed rebellion against the Obama government?"
See what I mean?
You lie. The article originally appeared at SLC and was copied by Barrett and posted to his website.
ButtGale, you lie like Ian does. The questions were submitted by the Family Steering Committee to the 9/11 Commission.
Oh, so the unsourced claims of the notorious bigot Kevin Barrett are now sourced in the unsourced claims of an anonymous internet poster at SLC? How can an alleged IT guy make such a bogus allegation?
"...The questions were submitted by the Family Steering Committee to the 9/11 Commission."
Bullshit. The "questions" were assembled by troofers and attributed to the widows. Not ONE of your so-called questions are attributed to anyone.
"...Oh, so the unsourced claims of the notorious bigot Kevin Barrett are now sourced in the unsourced claims of an anonymous internet poster at SLC? How can an alleged IT guy make such a bogus allegation?"
See what I mean? You can't stop lying can you, scum.bag?
Anyone who reads the article can see that you're lying.
From the very top of the article we read--and I quote:
Screwloosechange publishes Snugbug's address & phone number, various & psundry pseudonyms, prominent activist's plea for him to stop harassing her, and more...Normally I would never read the ScrewLooseChange blog, much less the comments. Nor would I take any interest in the unaccomplished, none-too-bright pseudo-truther Brian Good. -- Kevin Barrett
Now stop trying to hijack the thread, sex predator.
ButtGale, you lie like Ian does. If you had bothered to check the web page I have cited here dozens of times, you would see that it is entitled "FSC Questions to the 9/11 Commission with ratings of its performance in providing answers" and was "Compiled by Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken".
http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php
Your inability to recognize that the claims of a liar like Kevin Barrett as to the source of his "article" have no credibility shows you to be an incompetent scholar.
You're the one hijacking the thread--changing the subject to me.
I want to discuss the AIA article and its many lies. You clowns haven't even read the article.
"...Compiled by Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken."
Idiot.
A list compiled by two troofers is worthless.
And learn to read, jackass. I said ATTRIBUTED, not "compiled."
So where are your attributions, sex predator? I stand by my statement: The "questions" were assembled by troofers and attributed to the widows. Not ONE of your so-called questions are attributed to anyone.
"...Your inability to recognize that the claims of a liar like Kevin Barrett as to the source of his "article" have no credibility shows you to be an incompetent scholar."
You've never proven that Keven Barrett is a liar. And you've never proven that the source is in question. Two SLC regulars participated in the thread--Ian and Dylan Unsavory--and they have NEVER QUESTIONED THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE THREAD WHICH BARRETT COPIED TO HIS WEBSITE.
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Any more lies for us, scum.bag?
"...You're the one hijacking the thread--changing the subject to me."
Wrong again, scum.bag. I answered CD's question AND YOU HAD A HISSY FIT.
"...I want to discuss the AIA article and its many lies. You clowns haven't even read the article."
You've made accusations, but you've provided not a scintilla of evidence to substantiate your 100% fact-free assertions. Thus, you've proven absolutely nothing. And you've certainly not proven that the article is composed of "lies."
The only person who failed to read the article can be found between your chair and your keyboard.
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The questions were submitted by the Family Steering Committee.
You seem to have a difficult time distinguishing your ignorant opinions from facts.
I have proven that Kevin Barrett is a liar. I have proven that he lied to Noam Chomsky when he (Barrett) claimed that he had lost a tenure-track job because of his 9/11 beliefs. Barrett never had a tenure-track job to lose. Barrett brags about his lies when he passed himself off to French media as a film producer. Barrett lies on the second page of his QWOT book, misquoting Rex Tomb. Barrett lied on KDKA radio when he claimed that all of the Nazis executed after the Nuremberg trials were executed for crimes against peace instead of crimes against humanity. He lied when he claimed that the FBI built the 1993 WTC bomb.
Barrett lies like Ian does. Barrett lies like you do.
Why won't you read the AIA article? Did your lips get too tired on page 2?
Barrett lies like Jeremy Stahl does in the AIA article.
"...The questions were submitted by the Family Steering Committee."
Which proves absolutely nothing.
Again jackass, WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS? You can't provide the attributions because the loaded questions that you misrepresent as "evidence" can't be sourced to anyone other than two insane troofers, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken.
Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.
"...I have proven that Kevin Barrett is a liar. I have proven that he lied to Noam Chomsky when he (Barrett) claimed that he had lost a tenure-track job because of his 9/11 beliefs. Barrett never had a tenure-track job to lose."
Once again, you're proving my point. You wrote the following on 29 September 2009 at time stamp 1:39 AM
"...CBSF, I didn't harass anybody. Kevin Barrett says I did, but Barrett is a liar. He lied to Noam Chomsky when he claimed that he'd lost a tenure track job. He never had a tenure track job." -- The goat fucker, an excerpt from 9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!.
Same argument, same verbiage. And you would have us believe that the source of Barret's article is in question?
You're an idiot--an oxygen thief with the morals of an alley cat. In fact, you're so dense that you provide evidence against yourself. To call you a cretin is an insult to cretins.
"...Why won't you read the AIA article?"
I did read the AIA article, and all I need to know is the following:
“...We don’t have any relationship with [Gage's] organization [A&E for 9/11 Troof] whatsoever." -- Scott Frank, head of media relations, AIA.
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Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.
ButtGale, you are denying reality. So you're calling the Jersey Widows liars? On what basis?
It seems to escape you that disinformation, when it's competently done, is 90% true. It also seems to escape you that people can cut and paste from the internet and thus impersonate others. You can not be the data professional you claim to be.
If you find someone on the internet calling somebody "ButtGale" does that prove they're me? Could you possibly be any dumber?
You, like MGF, are satisfied to leap to the AIA's bottom line. It doesn't seem to bother you that their position is based on lies.
That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
So yes, Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken ARE LIARS. Their "questions" cannot be attributed to ANYONE OTHER THAN KLEINBERG AND VAN AUKEN.
"... It also seems to escape you that people can cut and paste from the internet and thus impersonate others."
Bullshit!
No one impersonated you. In fact, you just provided the evidence against yourself--and I quote:
"...I have proven that Kevin Barrett is a liar. I have proven that he lied to Noam Chomsky when he (Barrett) claimed that he had lost a tenure-track job because of his 9/11 beliefs. Barrett never had a tenure-track job to lose." -- The goat fucker, 22 July 2012, 12:22.
"....CBSF, I didn't harass anybody. Kevin Barrett says I did, but Barrett is a liar. He lied to Noam Chomsky when he claimed that he'd lost a tenure track job. He never had a tenure track job." -- The goat fucker, an excerpt from 9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!.
Hell, even your buddy Snowcrash believes that you're a sex predator and a troll. That's why you were banned at TroofAction.
"... It doesn't seem to bother you that their position is based on lies."
What lies are referring to, goat fucker? You haven't proven that AIA lied. All you've done is make unsubstantiated assertions while providing not a scintilla of evidence to support your 100% fact-free nonsense.
Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.
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You know, goat fucker, when you find yourself in a hole, it's a good idea to stop digging.
Now keep digging that hole, cretin.
ButtGale, you make claims of knowledge you can not possibly have. It's a common fault among the self-deluded denizens of this board.
Barrett never had a tenure track job. He never will have a tenure track job. What does that prove aside from the fact that he never had a tenure track job?
My very first post in this thread asserted that the AIA article contains blatant lies. In 26 posts now, nobody has shown any interest in discussing those blatant lies. If I try to discuss them, you and Ian are just going to bury my posts under libelspam.
"...you make claims of knowledge you can not possibly have. It's a common fault among the self-deluded denizens of this board."
Babbling again, cretin? Or are you merely doing your best to avoid the question?
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
Kleinburg and Van Auken are liars, and so are you.
"...Barrett never had a tenure track job. He never will have a tenure track job. What does that prove aside from the fact that he never had a tenure track job?"
That's right, goat fucker. CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND LIE ABOUT BARRETT while you studiously avoid my question.
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
"...My very first post in this thread asserted that the AIA article contains blatant lies."
Yes, but you studiously avoid telling us the DETAILS. Thus, you've made another 100% fact-free assertion without providing so much as a scintilla of evidence to substantiate your insane bullshit.
"... In 26 posts now, nobody has shown any interest in discussing those blatant lies."
Right! Because everyone knows who's really lying...YOU.
"... If I try to discuss them, you and Ian are just going to bury my posts under libelspam."
Then why don't you take your accuser, Carol Brouillet, to court and sue her for defamation?
You won't take her to court BECAUSE YOU KNOW DAMNED WELL THAT SHE'LL PREVAIL.
Now answer the question, scum.bag:
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
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Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.
ButtGale just goes poof, poof, poof. Just like his hair. Just like his Wayne Newton tribute act. Just like his IT career.
And there we have it folks. Once again, I've reduced the goat fucker to a babbling idiot.
Notice that he won't answer my question:
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
This proves that he's a liar. His alleged widows are, in reality, two insane liars (Kleinburg and Van Auken) who composed the loaded questions and then attributed them to the mythical "widows."
You're pathetic, goat fucker.
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ButtGale, so you're claiming that the Jersey Widows are liars, and that Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken are not widows? Is that your position?
And you rely on the claims of a proven liar and blatant Jew-hating bigot to support your position?
That's right, goat fucker, CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
WHERE ARE YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS?
What is your point? Are you claiming the Jersey Widows are liars? Are you claiming they are not widows? What misattributions are you claiming, and what evidence have you to support your claim?
And why are you hijacking the AIA thread to pursue this off-topic issue? Could it be because you can not defend the lies in the AIA article?
How many people where made widows on that fateful day, cretin? How many people lost their significant other on that fateful day? Thousands?
Show me the law that says an issue is unresolved until all questions, no matter how loaded or idiotic, are resolved.
You can't?
Then may I suggest that you STFU.
FACT: You're hiding behind the "widows" skirts while you troll the Internet. In other words, you're a coward and liar who relies EXCLUSIVELY on fallacious arguments and bald-faced lies.
Put a fork in it, goat fucker, you're done.
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Are you claiming that the widows don't deserve answers to their questions? Is that what you're reduced to?
Thousands of people were made widows on that fateful day--and all you can do is hold up 273 loaded questions that were composed by two women out of THOUSANDS who lost their loved one's on that terrible day.
You're irrelevant, goat fucker.
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So you're reduced to claiming that the widows don't deserve answers to their questions. And to citing the assertions of a liar and blatant Jew-hater to try to attack me. Thanks for making that clear--that's all you've got.
I'm not "reduced" to anything. Their loaded questions are, by definition, logical fallacies. Thus, Van Auken and Kleinberg are IRRELEVANT.
In fact, you're the one who has been "reduced" to whining about "questions" that are nothing more than logical fallacies (ie., loaded questions).
FACT: No one is obliged to answer questions posed by two hysterical conspiracy theorists--period.
Deal with it, goat fucker. You're utterly irrelevant.
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What a wuss. A grown "man" who hides behind two women's skirts. You da "man," goat fucker, you da "man"!
Pathetic.
Ian, you lie. You know as well as I that I have dozens of times named the widows who still have questions, and that 273 of the widows' 300 questions have not been answered by the 9/11 Commission.
False.
ButtGale, you lie like Ian does. If you had bothered to check the web page I have cited here dozens of times, you would see that it is entitled "FSC Questions to the 9/11 Commission with ratings of its performance in providing answers" and was "Compiled by Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie van Auken".
http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php
There are no questions at that link, Brian.
The questions were submitted by the Family Steering Committee.
False.
So you're reduced to claiming that the widows don't deserve answers to their questions.
The widows have no questions.
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Of course this is all completely off topic because GutterBall has hijacked the thread. Nobody wants to discuss the lies in the AIA letter.
Gutterball has not showed that the questions are "loaded" or fallacious. In fact it appears that you have never read the questions.
You continue to cite the empty and unsourced claims of a bigot and liar. Why is that?
Are you a Jew-hater like Barrett?
Yes, this thread is off topic, because you, Brian, refuse to face the fact that the widows have no questions.
Ian, your continued lies about tjhe fact of the widows' 273 unanswered questions are satanic.
Ian, your continued lies about tjhe fact of the widows' 273 unanswered questions are satanic.
The widows questions are not satanic, Brian. The widows have no questions.
Your lies are satanic, Ian.
"... Are you a Jew-hater like Barrett??"
No, I'm a goat fucker hater.
Are you a Jew hater? After all, the American 9/11 "truth" movement was started by an anti-Semite (ie., Eric Hufschmid).
So tell us, goat fucker, why do YOU associate with anti-Semites?
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ButtGale, I don't associate with anti-semites. The 9/11 Truth movement was started by family members like the Jersey Widows. Eric Huffschmidt was rejected by the truth movement before I even got involved.
"...I don't associate with anti-semites. The 9/11 Truth movement was started by family members like the Jersey Widows. Eric Huffschmidt [SIC] was rejected by the truth movement before I even got involved."
False.
You can't even spell "Eric Hufschmid." And he was never "rejected by the truth movement." In fact, he was the first American to publish his 9/11 conspiracy theory. Thus, he's the godfather of 9/11 troof.
Anymore 100% fact-free assertions for us, goat fucker?
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Your lies are satanic, Ian.
Well, Brian is dumb enough to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, so it's not surprising that he believes in Satan.
Also, Satan is invisible, yet Brian believes in him. That explains why Brian believes in the widows, even though they're invisible.
How about the anti-Semites and gun nuts in the Montana and Ohio militias who began publishing their anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories to the Internet ON THE EVENING OF 11 September 2001?
How about Adam Syed?
How about the late Eustace Mullins?
I can go on and on, goat fucker.
Face it. liar, your "movement" is crawling with anti-Semites.
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I can spell Eric Hufschmid, and I can spell GutterBall. I just don't see why I should bother.
Your inability to distinguish between the 9/11 Truth movement and the 9/11 conspiracy movement only shows your ignorance. Sucks to be you, huh? Such a doofus!
So why do you keep linking to the website of a proven liar and blatant Jew-hater? Are you trying to enhance the nut-job's SEO?
"...Your inability to distinguish between the 9/11 Truth movement and the 9/11 conspiracy movement only shows your ignorance."
The distinction exists in your diseased mind, and your diseased mind only. The 9/11 "truth" movement is a conspiracy movement.
Idiot.
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"...So why do you keep linking to the website of a proven liar and blatant Jew-hater? Are you trying to enhance the nut-job's SEO?"
If you had any idea how a search engine works you'd know what I'm doing.
I sure hope no one enters the string "Brian Good" into Google.
LOL!
Say goodbye to your non-existent "credibility," cretin.
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How nice for you that you get get to define what the 911 Truth movement is.
The 911 Truth movement is people who think there's been a coverup of what happened on 9/11 and want to know the truth.
A small subset of those people think they've got it all figured out, but a lot of those are nutjobs and most of us pay them little mind. But you guys seem to be obsessed with them.
"...How nice for you that you get get to define what the 911 Truth movement is."
There's no dispute. It's a conspiracy movement. Only a deranged liar of your ilk thinks otherwise.
"...The 911 Truth movement is people who think there's been a coverup of what happened on 9/11 and want to know the truth."
A "coverup" is a conspiracy--you cretin. Thanks for proving my point.
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"The 911 Truth movement is people who think there's been a coverup of what happened on 9/11 and want to know the truth.
A small subset of those people think they've got it all figured out, but a lot of those are nutjobs and most of us pay them little mind. But you guys seem to be obsessed with them."
Here, let me fix this one.
"The 911 Truth movement is a small subset of people who think there's been a coverup of what happened on 9/11. A lot of those are nutjobs.Pay them little mind."
There, all better.
"...you guys seem to be obsessed with them."
Because they were the ultimate cause of 9/11. All of the bureaucratic red-tape, and systemic road blocks that allowed the attacks to happen were erected by paranoid, assholes like you who called their Congress idiot, and told them the CIA was putting mind-control drugs in their Corn Flakes.
The 9/11 Truth movement undermined the Anti-War/Peace movement single handed. Because of troofers the Iraq War was never seriously question.
Conspiracy theorists have caused much damage because they've gone unchecked. Right now kids are dying because some conspiracy loon told them vaccines caused autism. In Pakistan clinics trying to vaccinate against polio are being bombed because conspiracy douchebags told them the vaccines are a secret CIA plot to map the DNA of the Taliban.
So yeah, we're a little touchy about dipshit troofers trying to advance their pinhead agenda(s) using the bodies of the dead of 9/11.
Your belief that there is no dispute only shows your ignorance. Many top people in the truth movement are as disgusted with the conspiracy theorists as you are.
Coverup is not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact. Philip Zelikow was the architect of Richard Clarke's demotion--Richard Clarke, who had the urgent plan to go after al Qaeda in 2000. Zelikow ensured that Clarke's plan was ignored, and then he was Director of the 9/11 Commission.
So Brian is now no longer into conspiracy theories? Damn, I so enjoyed his endless babbling about magic spray-on thermite and invisible, slient explosives and how they were put in place by invisible elevator repair men.
Brian what does Richard Clarke think happened on 9/11?
CD?
Space Beams?
Mini nukes?
GMS, I don't know what Richard Clarke thinks and neither do you. What he says is that George Tenet, Cofer Black and Richard Blee – knowingly withheld intelligence from the Bush and Clinton White House, the FBI, Immigration and the State and Defense Departments about two of the 9/11 hijackers who had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks. Clarke says the three CIA guys likely engaged in a cover-up by withholding key details about two of the hijackers from the 9/11 Commission.
I'm not aware that Clarke has any scientific or construction background, and I am not aware that he has any opinion on what happened at the towers.
It seems that no one here is qualified to discuss the AIA article.
Why you guys put so much energy into a subject you know so little about is a mystery to me.
The obvious answer is that you're aging and failing white guys who have an overwhelming need to feel superior to somebody--anybody!--and since it's no longer socially acceptable for guys like you to look down on blacks, asians, mexicans, and gays, you have to invent a fantasy group--"Da Twoofers!"--to which you can ascribe all kinds of absurd beliefs and which allows you to indulge the notion that by comparison with your fantasy you are rational and informed.
The obvious answer is that you're aging and failing white guys who have an overwhelming need to feel superior to somebody--anybody!--and since it's no longer socially acceptable for guys like you to look down on blacks, asians, mexicans, and gays, you have to invent a fantasy group--"Da Twoofers!"--to which you can ascribe all kinds of absurd beliefs and which allows you to indulge the notion that by comparison with your fantasy you are rational and informed.
Ah, the hysterical squealing of a failed janitor, liar, and lunatic who lives with his parents.
The funny thing, of course, is that Brian is that aging and failing white man. He has no job, no friends, no family, and does nothing all day but post spam on this blog. He hates Jews, blacks, Latinos, and women. He tried to join a conspiracy cult, 9/11 truthers, to give his empty life meaning, but he was thrown out for being a pervert and sex stalker and liar.
Ian, it's downright pathetic that you've got nothing better to do than lie about somebody you don't even know.
Ian, it's downright pathetic that you've got nothing better to do than lie about somebody you don't even know.
Squeal squeal squeal!
I've got plenty of things to do: my job, my girlfriend, my hobbies and interests. I just come here for a few minutes each day to remind you that you're a pathetic failed janitor, liar, and lunatic and that the widows STILL haven't had their questions answered.
I enjoy your pathetic crying each time I humiliate you.
"Your belief that there is no dispute only shows your ignorance. Many top people in the truth movement are as disgusted with the conspiracy theorists as you are."
If you ARE IN the 9/11 Truth movement you ARE a conspiracy nutjob.
"Coverup is not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact."
Except whatever "coverups" there are have nothing to do with the attacks themselves. In the many seperate coverups of the JFK Assassination not one lead back to Oswald nor a second shooter. They all lead back to RFK, and he was trying to protect his political future.
"Philip Zelikow was the architect of Richard Clarke's demotion--Richard Clarke, who had the urgent plan to go after al Qaeda in 2000. Zelikow ensured that Clarke's plan was ignored, and then he was Director of the 9/11 Commission."
So what? Clark was a bully, ask anyone, and Zelikow was probably tired of his crap. Besides, Clinton was President in 2000, so he didn't take the threat seriously either was witnessed by his limited response to the embassy, and USS Cole attacks.
It's easily the worst "coverup" in the history of coverups.
None of that has anything to do with the actual attacks.
"It seems that no one here is qualified to discuss the AIA article."
As evidenced in your fruitless, inane posts it seems you alone lack the intellect to comment on the AIA article. Maybe you could print it out so it will be easier to use your crayons.
"Why you guys put so much energy into a subject you know so little about is a mystery to me."
Based on the body of your posts across the internet, EVERYTHING'S a mystery to you.
"The obvious answer is that you're aging and failing white guys who have an overwhelming need to feel superior to somebody--anybody!--and since it's no longer socially acceptable for guys like you to look down on blacks, asians, mexicans, and gays, you have to invent a fantasy group--"Da Twoofers!"--to which you can ascribe all kinds of absurd beliefs and which allows you to indulge the notion that by comparison with your fantasy you are rational and informed."
You are the oldest poster here, and the least successful to boot. The reason you cling to your 9/11 fantasies is because admitting you've wasted your time, helped extend a war in Iraq, and made such a galaxy-sized fool of yourself is too much for you to deal with.
You can already hear people laughing at you now, and you fear the laughter will grow.
MGF, you think you know things you can not possibly know, you make stuff up and you won't lift a finger to find actual facts because they will destroy your erroneous beliefs about What Makes Sense.
The USS Cole attack was in mid-October, 3 weeks before the election. Clinton didn't want to launch a lame-duck war. So he left it for Bush to do it. Bush did nothing about the USS Cole attack.
Clinton ordered the CIA to kill Osama and they wouldn't do it. He wanted cruise missile strikes on the camps and the Navy insisted on unreasonable lead times. He wanted commando raids on the camps and the Secy of Defense argued against it. Bush did nothing, nada, zilch. Worse than nothing. He grounded the drones so they didn't even have surveillance on the camps. That has to do with the actual attacks.
You claim knowledge of my achievements and you have no idea what they are. Apparently you regard Ian as a reliable source of information though he lies blatantly in almost every post.
I am capable of discussing the AIA article, but I'd prefer to do so with someone who's actually read it instead of someone who's going to operate on the basis of ignorant assumptions about what's in it.
Brian, you're not capable of understanding the AIA article. You're a failed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves.
Ian, stop flirting with me. You're not cute.
"Clinton ordered the CIA to kill Osama and they wouldn't do it."
Nope. CIA couldn't do it under his administrations ridiculous ROE.
"He wanted cruise missile strikes on the camps and the Navy insisted on unreasonable lead times."
Nope. He got his missile strikes. He also called Pakistan to alert them, they in turn called the Taliban, and they called Al Qaeda.
"He wanted commando raids on the camps and the Secy of Defense argued against it."
He wanted raids with no civilian casualties, and no US casualites, and the SecDef pointed out he was stupid.
"Bush did nothing, nada, zilch. Worse than nothing."
Never been in dispute.
"He grounded the drones so they didn't even have surveillance on the camps. That has to do with the actual attacks."
Wait, you said Bush didn't do anything, but then you say he did. Make up your mind.
"You claim knowledge of my achievements and you have no idea what they are."
You're many failures are well documented across the internet.
"Apparently you regard Ian as a reliable source of information though he lies blatantly in almost every post."
I regard Ian as my tag-team partner in the ongoing circus your poor mental health creates.
"I am capable of discussing the AIA article"
Actually, no you are not. You have had many chances, yet all you do is whine.
"... but I'd prefer to do so with someone who's actually read it instead of someone who's going to operate on the basis of ignorant assumptions about what's in it."
Translation: I can only talk to people who share my 4th grade reading comprehension level, and won't point out how dumb I am.
The CIA couldn't kill Osama? You know this how? The CIA met with Osama at the American Hospital in Dubai two months before 9/11.
Your smug fantasies are a waste of time.
>You're many failures are well documented across the internet.
Where did you learn to punctuate, genius?
Very little about me is "documented" on the internet. Allegations about my alleged failures are not documented anywhere, and if you had half an education you would know what "documented" means and you would know how stupid and empty those allegations are.
Ian, stop flirting with me. You're not cute.
Brian, the fact that you think I'm flirting with you just demonstrates your crippled epistemology.
Very little about me is "documented" on the internet. Allegations about my alleged failures are not documented anywhere, and if you had half an education you would know what "documented" means and you would know how stupid and empty those allegations are.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Poor Brian. He's so stupid that he didn't realize that the thousands of pages of dumbspam he posted all over the internet (mainly about his lust for Willie Rodriguez) would lead the whole world to know that he's a failed janitor who was banned from the truth movement for being a sex stalker.
Ian, the obsessive lies of anonymous internet posters are self-discrediting.
Ian, the obsessive lies of anonymous internet posters are self-discrediting.
Brian, you're not anonymous. Everyone knows who you are, and that you're a failed janitor, liar, and lunatic who was banned from the truth movement.
Ian, the obsessive lies of anonymous internet posters are self-discrediting.
Repeating the same dumbspam over and over again isn't going to get the widows' questions answered, Brian.
And you repeating your liespam claiming the widows don't exist, or they're invisible, or they don't have questions is not going to prevent them getting their 273 pending questions answered, either.
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