Thursday, March 28, 2013

Guilty, Until Proven Innocent

Anyone who has followed my politics will know that about the only thing I agree with Noam Chomsky on is the idiocy of 9/11 Truthers.  This recent post on 911 Flogger by Jon Gold once again demonstrates how out of touch the Truthers are, and Jon, relatively speaking, is actually one of the more rational Truthers.  Admittedly that is kind of like being the shortest giant or the most chaste woman in the bordello.  In any case,  Jon actually tries to argue that Noam should be be for the Truthers because if they succeed it will alter our traditional standards of justice, a goal I am not sure even Chomsky would be for, even if it benefited him politically.


Chomsky seems to miss an important point when dismissing 9/11 queries as a waste of energy. If 9/11 can be blown open, then absolutely everything can be challenged, because evidence will exist of the huge scope of the supporting conspiracy.
 In fact, if 9/11 truth were to be universally accepted and its implications digested, then a paradigm may emerge where the burden of proof shifts. It may become the norm that parties whose behavior suggests complicity; have to prove they were NOT implicated in various conspiracies. All of Chomsky’s pet projects would benefit from this. 

 As I have always said, scratch a Truther, find a Fascist.

Update:  I accidentally attributed this post to Jon Gold, read the wrong byline, it was actually posted by some guy at 911 Blogger named Speakingup.  My apologies to Jon for the mistake.  It has got to be embarrassing for him to be associated with the morons on there.

80 Comments:

At 28 March, 2013 23:43, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Sorry James, but that's not my post.

 
At 29 March, 2013 09:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

James, as usual you are ransacking the back pages of 911blogger to find things you can project on the entire truth movement. The blogger you cite appears to have a history of exactly TWO blog posts in five years. The post you cite was not posted to the front page of 911blogger and has no comments at all.

If the truth movement is dead and irrelevant, as you claim, why then is the ignored posting of some obscure blogger worth a comment?

It's as if I cited Ian's persistent claims that there are no widows as an example of current thinking in the debunker community.




 
At 29 March, 2013 09:32, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Chomsky actually said "...and even if it were proven to be an inside job... who cares?"

And James seems very proud to agree with him on that. Good for you and your intellectual rigor, Jamesy.

Still waiting for your nuanced essay on what makes tons of melted iron an 'anomaly' instead of 'evidence'. Any day now... Maybe compare sources with Pat. Oops!

 
At 29 March, 2013 09:34, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

And misattributing the post to Jon says a lot about your research skills. Yet again.

 
At 29 March, 2013 09:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Jones claims there's a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten iron collected at Ground Zero. The source for this ingot and the chain of custody have never been revealed.

Dr. Jones claims he did a chemical analysis of a sample taken from this ingot, and that he found that the material was iron, not steel. His basis for disqualifying steel seems to be that the sample contained no chromium. Last time I checked, A36 steel, the most common structural steel at the WTC, contains no chromium.

I think we need to establish a chain of custody for this sample and do some irrefutable analyses on it.

 
At 29 March, 2013 10:23, Blogger James B. said...

No, 911blogger is a strictly monitored site. Not everyone can post, or even comment on it. I certainly can't. I have been banned for taking certain positions. We maintain open comments here, so we only take responsibility for what Pat and I post.

 
At 29 March, 2013 10:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

911blogger clearly states this disclaimer for the post you cite: "911blogger.com seeks to cover a broad spectrum of news, posts in the blogs section are the responsibility of the poster, readers are encouraged to check the facts and form their own conclusions."

In my experience, people are banned at 911blogger not for their obscure blog posts but for their behavior on the commentary to posts on the front page.

Do you believe Ian's repeated claim that there are no widows?

 
At 29 March, 2013 11:09, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

As Jim Carrey's charactor "The Grinch" quite simply put it:

Denial is expected in the face of pure evil. I'm a psycho!"

My favorite quote is:

The nerve of those Whos. Inviting me down there - on such short notice! Even if I wanted to go my schedule wouldn't allow it. 4:00, wallow in self pity; 4:30, stare into the abyss; 5:00, solve world hunger, tell no one; 5:30, jazzercize; 6:30, dinner with me - I can't cancel that again; 7:00, wrestle with my self-loathing... I'm booked. Of course, if I bump the loathing to 9, I could still be done in time to lay in bed, stare at the ceiling and slip slowly into madness. But what would I wear?

The quote above reminds me of the Twoofers.

 
At 29 March, 2013 11:12, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Another favorite quote that reminds me of the Twoofers:

The Grinch: [shouts] Hello?

Echo: Hello.

The Grinch: How are you?

Echo: How are you?

The Grinch: I asked you first.

Echo: I asked you first.

The Grinch: Oh right, that's REALLY mature, saying exactly what I say.

Echo: ...Saying exactly what I say.

The Grinch: I'm an idiot!

Echo: You're an idiot!

The Grinch: [whispering] Alright fine! I'm not talking to you anymore! In fact, I'm going to whisper! So that by the time my voice reverbarates off the walls, and gets back to me, I won't be able to hear it.

[pause]

Echo: You're an idiot!

 
At 29 March, 2013 11:12, Blogger James B. said...

They may post that default disclaimer, but it is clear they only allow posts and comments which represent elements of the Truther community.

 
At 29 March, 2013 11:58, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

"...readers are encouraged to check the facts and form their own conclusions."

Truthers often say that. In practice they become extremely frustrated when readers actually do it.

 
At 29 March, 2013 12:03, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

"...readers are encouraged to check the facts and form their own conclusions."

Yeah and then they ban you for having you own conclusion that differs from their own and then they tell everyone that us debunkers are the ones censoring them.

 
At 29 March, 2013 13:17, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"...us debunkers..." -TAW

Source? Substantiation? Anything at all?

Didn't think so.

 
At 29 March, 2013 13:44, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Source? Substantiation? Anything at all?

Didn't think so.


12 yrs of talking shit and not proving a damn thing without evidence?

DON'T THINK SO!

 
At 29 March, 2013 15:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

We've proven a lot of things. But you guys won't even admit that there are widows or that they have questions, or that we only got half a report.

 
At 29 March, 2013 16:35, Blogger Ian said...

If the truth movement is dead and irrelevant, as you claim, why then is the ignored posting of some obscure blogger worth a comment?

Because, other than your endless spam about invisible widows, this is all that's left of the "truth" movement.

 
At 29 March, 2013 16:36, Blogger Ian said...

Dr. Jones claims there's a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten iron collected at Ground Zero. The source for this ingot and the chain of custody have never been revealed.

Nobody cares.

Dr. Jones claims he did a chemical analysis of a sample taken from this ingot, and that he found that the material was iron, not steel. His basis for disqualifying steel seems to be that the sample contained no chromium. Last time I checked, A36 steel, the most common structural steel at the WTC, contains no chromium.

See above.

 
At 29 March, 2013 16:37, Blogger Ian said...

We've proven a lot of things. But you guys won't even admit that there are widows or that they have questions, or that we only got half a report.

Brian, your endless babbling about invisible widows won't change the fact that they have no questions.

Also, we got a full report. The fact that a mentally ill unemployed janitor doesn't understand the report doesn't change the facts.

 
At 29 March, 2013 16:59, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

We've proven a lot of things. But you guys won't even admit that there are widows or that they have questions, or that we only got half a report.

Name just one thing that you idiots put in the media that was official to blow the whole 9/11 Government Conspiracy wide open.

There are widows but they moved on with their lives and aren't interested in petty conspiracy theories involving nothing. They were concerned about their husbands deaths and wanted answers and they got them.

It's a shame you can't move on Brian, they are living their lives not knowing that an insignificant prick is talking about them.

 
At 29 March, 2013 17:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

TAW, among other things put in the media is the fact that hundreds of architects and engineers want new 9/11 investigations.

Also in the media was the fact that Dr. Zelikow wrote an outline to the report before the investigation even began, the fact that Commissioners Kean and Hamilton said that NORAD lied to them, the fact that a professor of structural engineering said he melted steel at Ground Zero, and the fact that steel was "vaporized" or "evaporated" at Ground Zero. That's for starters.

Your claim that the widows got the answers to their questions is a stubborn lie.

 
At 29 March, 2013 17:33, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

TAW, among other things put in the media is the fact that hundreds of architects and engineers want new 9/11 investigations.

Name the media that CURRENTLY is hosting a "new investigation".

Your claim that the widows got the answers to their questions is a stubborn lie.

They moved on with lives Brian. When they did that they had no more "unanswered questions". And that means you have nothing to go on. You lost!

 
At 29 March, 2013 17:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

The questions are unanswered, WAQo, and here's you trying to invent rules making that fact irrelevant.

You're silly. It's surely no secret to you that you're not very bright, so stop pretending.

 
At 29 March, 2013 17:45, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow

At the recommendation of Vice Chair Lee H. Hamilton, Zelikow was appointed executive director of the 9/11 Commission, whose work included examination of the conduct of presidents Clinton and George W. Bush and their administrations. Zelikow's prior involvement with the administration of George W. Bush led to opposition from the 9/11 Family Steering Committee, citing the obvious conflict of interest of having previously worked on the Bush transition team. It had recommended candidates for Cabinet positions and other top national security appointments. Many security positions were filled by people associated with the Project for the New American Century (such as Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld), which advocated a war with Iraq, and lamented that goal would take a long time, unless there was an event like "a new Pearl Harbor." In response to the concerns, Zelikow agreed to recuse himself from any investigation matters pertaining to the National Security Council's transition from the Clinton to Bush administrations, which Zelikow had helped manage.

http://www.philipshenon.com/pdf/zelikowemail.pdf

^^^^^
Email exchanges to Dr. Zelikow

 
At 29 March, 2013 17:48, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

The questions are unanswered, WAQo, and here's you trying to invent rules making that fact irrelevant.

ROTFLMFAO!

Who the fuck is WAQo? If anyone's Whacko it's you.

You are irrelevent just like your idiotic pursuit of those "unanswered questions" the widows don't really give a shit about anymore.

You're silly. It's surely no secret to you that you're not very bright, so stop pretending.

Expect a call from me in about 10 mintues and you'll see that I'm not pretending.

 
At 29 March, 2013 18:00, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Thought I was kidding when I called huh Brian?

You need to stop with the BS buddy. It was funny to think that I sounded "drunk", well I was standing outside in the cold and shivering.

What I said to you on the phone wasn't any kind of "threat" it was a warning.

 
At 29 March, 2013 18:08, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Sooner or later people like you Brian will do something stupid. For example Phillip Marshall, he got so involved in the conspiracy shit that he killed his 2 lovely kids and their dog then turned the gun on himself.

If you keep it up you're gonna do something incredibly stupid.

So what you have my phone number. I'm not hiding like a coward nor am I scared. You go ahead and call the authorities and I'll simply tell them the truth of our conversation.

 
At 29 March, 2013 18:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

It's surely no secret to you that you're not very bright. That's okay, you can still lead a rich and meaningful life. Best to keep on the sunny side, avoid antagonizing people, always remain positive and optimistic.

 
At 29 March, 2013 18:28, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Anyways if my relative was one of the widows I would certainly press charges on Brian for slander and libel.

Brian could get into so much trouble if they knew what he was saying and doing.

Brian might be a pain in the ass, he might be a stranger but he needs help. I'll offer to help him with his mental state if he's willing to show support that he does need help.

We definantly don't need another Phillip Marshall in the world.

 
At 29 March, 2013 18:34, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

It's surely no secret to you that you're not very bright. That's okay, you can still lead a rich and meaningful life. Best to keep on the sunny side, avoid antagonizing people, always remain positive and optimistic.

Sorry, no more calls to you. It was a 1 time only thing.

You've changed in conversation didn't ya since I called and talked to you personally.

Just 1 thing Brian, don't go pissing off the wrong people.

 
At 29 March, 2013 19:00, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Chomsky seems to miss an important point when dismissing 9/11 queries as a waste of energy. If 9/11 can be blown open, then absolutely everything can be challenged, because evidence will exist of the huge scope of the supporting conspiracy.

In fact, if 9/11 truth were to be universally accepted and its implications digested, then a paradigm may emerge where the burden of proof shifts. It may become the norm that parties whose behavior suggests complicity; have to prove they were NOT implicated in various conspiracies. All of Chomsky’s pet projects would benefit from this.


In fact they are a waste of energy and Chomsky was right in saying that.

How can you "challenge" something when there's no evidence to counter with? Sure there was a cospiracy, it was a conspiracy that began with the 1993 bombing and ended with the 9/11 Attacks by terrorists.

LOL! The only reason why it's not "universally" accepted is because they leave out the most important thing: Evidence.

LOL @ "pet projects". Like they don't have the names of those "pet projects"?

 
At 29 March, 2013 19:01, Blogger Ian said...

The widows have no questions, Brian. I have explained this to you many times, and you refuse to learn.

 
At 29 March, 2013 19:10, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

What's up Ian?

I did call Brian and it confirmed my suspicions that what I found was his actual phone number.

You should've heard what he said to me. Saying that I was "drunk" and what my point was. I told him like it was and left it at that.

I've got nothing to hide, why should he hide is the question.

Yes I'm a researcher and as a reseacher I've got to look at alot of topics, even if it means finding someones phone number and talking to them directly and not over the internet.

I understan that Brian has a lonely life and isn't surrounded by friends. That sucks for him but he should just leave things alone when they should be left alone. If he left this whole conspiracy thoery non-sense behind he'd have friends.

I would be his friend if he dropped about the widows and the whole conspiracy thing. He doesn't realize that we could be his friends if he comes to his senses.

 
At 30 March, 2013 08:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie. 273 of the widows' 300 questions were not answered.

TAW, NWOR.

 
At 30 March, 2013 09:34, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

TAW, NWOR.

Come on Brian, you have to make an effort to do away with all the conspiracy theories and the widows to become friends with us all.

If you can't do that then you'll never have any friends. Think about it!

 
At 30 March, 2013 11:01, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Re: Zelikow, Pat and James don't seem to wonder why an expert on public myths would be a strange choice to head the commission.

Oh wait, they think torches caused the melted iron in the dust. Never mind.

 
At 30 March, 2013 12:05, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1134%2FS0010508211050066?LI=true#page-1

Distribution of iron dust particles across the unburned zone during flame propagation in a verticle duct.

Funny how iron dust particles can be found almost any where.

 
At 30 March, 2013 14:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

Yeah, especially in science labs where you're studying flame propagation through a cloud of iron dust particles.

Iron spheres from torch cutting ops could not possible have made it to Brooklyn Bridge where one dust sample was collected an hour after the collapse.

Iron spheres may have come from the lightweight concrete if fly ash was used as an admixture, but there's no evidence that it was. We had some discussions earlier about this. If I remember right, something like 40,000 tons of fly ash would have been used, a couple of freight trains worth. Also, the iron particles which would have inhabited the fly ash would have introduced many thousands of tons of unnecessary and useless weight into the floors, they could have been easily extracted using ordinary industrial electromagnets, and their scrap value would have exceeded the value of the fly ash itself.



 
At 30 March, 2013 14:57, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Like Jesse Ventura said:

"That stuff is everywhere!"

Ironspheres are everywhere too.

 
At 30 March, 2013 15:27, Blogger snug.bug said...

You haven't shown that. In fact they were NOT in the native dust in office buildings around Ground Zero, which is why RJ Lee used them as an indicator of WTC dust.

 
At 30 March, 2013 16:24, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Brian, you don't have anything substantial to say that no iron spheres aren't every where.

So you're saying that there's none inside the steel mills and machine shops?

 
At 30 March, 2013 20:01, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

So Brian, have you made a decision about dropping the conspiracy theories and the widows questions and be our friend?

Do you think that fighting with people constantly is getting you anywhere?

Do you want friends or not?

 
At 31 March, 2013 05:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 31 March, 2013 09:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

Are you claiming Ground Zero was a steel mill and a machine shop?

Sure, fighting with people gets me somewhere. It helps me get to the truth. It proves I'm right--or it shows that I'm wrong. I'm rarely wrong because I want to avoid that. In the case of Wizzie LiedRugAs, I didn't know his story was a lie, but I suspected it because he acted more like a con artist than a hero. So I took the risk that I might be wrong. Fighting with people showed me that they didn't have any actual facts to support Willie's claims. In time I found the proof that his story was a lie. He admitted that the fifteen people he "rescued" were his co-workers in the ABM office who didn't need to be rescued. The statistics showed that his claim that he saved hundreds was a lie--because if people were locked in and waiting for the janitor to come and save them, then thousands should have died on the floors he couldn't reach. And then I found the story of Pablo Ortiz and realized that Willie had simply appropriated a dead hero's story and pretended it was his own.

I'm not friends with anonymous internet posters. I'm also not friends with liars. You, Ian, and MGF are liars.

 
At 31 March, 2013 09:34, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Are you claiming Ground Zero was a steel mill and a machine shop?

Asking a question with a question. Now Brian you know better than that.

Sure, fighting with people gets me somewhere. It helps me get to the truth. It proves I'm right--or it shows that I'm wrong. I'm rarely wrong because I want to avoid that. In the case of Wizzie LiedRugAs, I didn't know his story was a lie, but I suspected it because he acted more like a con artist than a hero. So I took the risk that I might be wrong. Fighting with people showed me that they didn't have any actual facts to support Willie's claims. In time I found the proof that his story was a lie. He admitted that the fifteen people he "rescued" were his co-workers in the ABM office who didn't need to be rescued. The statistics showed that his claim that he saved hundreds was a lie--because if people were locked in and waiting for the janitor to come and save them, then thousands should have died on the floors he couldn't reach. And then I found the story of Pablo Ortiz and realized that Willie had simply appropriated a dead hero's story and pretended it was his own.

Brian, fighting can also land you in jail ya know. You're just lucky they have a heart not to press charges on you, think on that will ya.

I'm not friends with anonymous internet posters. I'm also not friends with liars. You, Ian, and MGF are liars.

Brian, you haven't proven that we are. We're trying to steer you in the direction of the truth but you're too stubborn to look at the facts and the evidence.

I know it hurts not having any friends Brian.

 
At 31 March, 2013 09:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

I haven't done anything to get put in jail. I helped expose a common con artist named William Rodriguez for what he is. That's not a crime.

I've proven many times that you are liars--each of you.

You don't have any facts or any evidence. All you have is your own made-up fantasies. You don't know what you're talking about because you have not done your homework.

 
At 31 March, 2013 10:50, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

I haven't done anything to get put in jail. I helped expose a common con artist named William Rodriguez for what he is. That's not a crime.

I know you like Carol alot, but you calling her a liar?

Well if you exposed him then congrates, you're a debunker.

I've proven many times that you are liars--each of you.

Sure Brian. Let us know when you can officially prove that we are without relying on other conspiracy websites.

You don't have any facts or any evidence. All you have is your own made-up fantasies. You don't know what you're talking about because you have not done your homework.

Can you just see the irony of your post?

 
At 31 March, 2013 11:31, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why would I call Carol a liar? She supported Willie Fraudriguez in the past, she was unwilling to admit that she was wrong, and AFAIK she now recognizes that Willie was a liar and a fraud.

I'm a real debunker--I'm after truth. And thus I debunk everyone and anyone--unlike you peedunkers who only "debunk" people on one side. For instance, nobody here has ever called out Ian for his lies that there are no widows, they have no questions, yadda yadda.

I have many times proves that you, Ian, and MGF are all liars.

You don't know what irony is.

 
At 31 March, 2013 12:12, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Why would I call Carol a liar? She supported Willie Fraudriguez in the past, she was unwilling to admit that she was wrong, and AFAIK she now recognizes that Willie was a liar and a fraud.

I don't know, it seems like you are calling her a liar. Well she has her own opinions.

I'm a real debunker--I'm after truth. And thus I debunk everyone and anyone--unlike you peedunkers who only "debunk" people on one side. For instance, nobody here has ever called out Ian for his lies that there are no widows, they have no questions, yadda yadda.

Congrates Brian, you learned about sarcasm.

I have many times proves that you, Ian, and MGF are all liars.

Sure you have Brian, that's why we have friends right?

You don't know what irony is.

What's the definintion of "Irony" Brian?

 
At 31 March, 2013 13:19, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Brian,

Why did you join the 9/11 Truth Movement in the first place? Besides joining it for the "truth", what was the reason why you joined them?

We know you're no longer with them but still, why did ya?

 
At 31 March, 2013 18:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

I joined the truth movement for the truth. Since then I've had some differences with the "Jews did it!" movement, the "Inside Job!" movement, the "Controlled Demolition is proven!" movement, the "Willie R. is a Hero!" movement, the "Pentagon Flyover" movement, and some others. I remain in good standing AFAIK with the 9/11 Truth movement.

 
At 31 March, 2013 19:13, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

I joined the truth movement for the truth. Since then I've had some differences with the "Jews did it!" movement, the "Inside Job!" movement, the "Controlled Demolition is proven!" movement, the "Willie R. is a Hero!" movement, the "Pentagon Flyover" movement, and some others. I remain in good standing AFAIK with the 9/11 Truth movement.

So nothing else besides the "truth"? You had to join for something, what was it?

See, isn't it nice just to sit and have a good converstion without fighting with people?

 
At 31 March, 2013 20:58, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"Iron spheres from torch cutting ops could not possible have made it to Brooklyn Bridge where one dust sample was collected an hour after the collapse."

Allegedly collected hours after the collapse. The source is suspect. It doesn't match up with the samples RJ Lee collected which means the dust from the bridge has more to do with the bridge than the WTC.

" He admitted that the fifteen people he "rescued" were his co-workers in the ABM office who didn't need to be rescued."

You don't know if they needed to be rescued or not.

"The statistics showed that his claim that he saved hundreds was a lie--because if people were locked in and waiting for the janitor to come and save them, then thousands should have died on the floors he couldn't reach."

So what you're proving is you don't understand how to use statistics.


"And then I found the story of Pablo Ortiz and realized that Willie had simply appropriated a dead hero's story and pretended it was his own. "

And yet nobody else has noticed? None of the actual 9/11 widows, Ortiz's family nor the survivors who continue to publicly thank Willie have figured this out. Nobody from the NYC DA's office, NYPD, FDNY, or the NY Times has figured it out. These organizations have a documented track record of busting 9/11 frauds and con-men, so how has Willie continued to evade them? It's not like he's hiding somewhere, and on every September 11th everyone knows he will be at Ground Zero so it's not like he can't be tracked down.

Willie Rodriguez alone is a prime example of your intellectual failings. Somehow all of these law enforcement agencies have missed Willie's alleged crimes. His crime being a PUBLIC SPEAKER. They have busted 9/11 frauds for lessor crimes so how does Willie get a pass unless he did what he said he did?

Willie is also an example of your laziness. If you have "documented" and "proven" he is a fraud then why have you not presented you evidence to the NYPD fraud unit, the NYC DA's office, or the NY State AG office? You talk a lot about your "Duty" to the truth, but when it comes time to follow through on your duty you sit back on your aging white ass and call people names.

The real reason you won't take this to the NYC DA is because it's it is an actual crime to file a false police report, and you don't have a shred of proof that Willie didn't do the things he says (and others confirm) that he did.

Your cowardice is only overshadowed by your laziness. This is why you fail.

 
At 31 March, 2013 22:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF wrote: "The source is suspect. It doesn't match up with the samples RJ Lee collected."

I call bullshit. You Haven't read the RJ Lee report and haven't read the Jones report on the Brooklyn Bridge sample.

MGF wrote: "You don't know if they needed to be rescued or not."

There is no evidence that they needed to be rescued. They were in an office in the basement. They evacuated to the street. Willie describes no rescue.

MGF wrote: " you don't understand how to use statistics."

I understand just fine. Only about 100 civilians died underneath the impact zone. 99% of all civilians evacuated successfully. Thus Willie's 39 floors had survival rates no higher than any of the other floors under the impact zones,






 
At 01 April, 2013 17:32, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

" You Haven't read the RJ Lee report and haven't read the Jones report on the Brooklyn Bridge sample. "

I have read the RJ Lee report, and cited areas where you misquoted it many times.

Jones's Brooklyn Bridge sample was six years old, and suspect. Had the 9/11 Commission based any conclusions on this same sample Troofers would - rightfully - challenge the chain of evidence.

 
At 01 April, 2013 18:17, Blogger Ian said...

Well, it was a beautiful spring day, the Mets won on opening day, and Brina Good is still a failed janitor who believes in invisible widows with "questions". All is right with the world.

 
At 01 April, 2013 18:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, I never misquoted the RJ Lee report. You are very confused.

I note that you can't back up your claim that Dre. Jones's sample "does not match up with the samples RJ Lee collected."

And Ian still thinks that the widows are invisible, and still thinks he's funny.

 
At 01 April, 2013 20:04, Blogger Ian said...

And Ian still thinks that the widows are invisible, and still thinks he's funny.

Brian, you're the one who believes in invisible widows, not me. You also believe these invisible widows have "questions" that have been unanswered.

You live in a fantasy world.

 
At 01 April, 2013 20:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

I can't help but say to James B "It's got to be embarrassing for him to be associated with the morons" at SLC.

 
At 02 April, 2013 04:56, Blogger Ian said...

I can't help but say to James B "It's got to be embarrassing for him to be associated with the morons" at SLC.

Squeal squeal squeal!

You could always stop posting your spam here, Brian. I know that would be hard to do, since you've been banned from every other blog/message board out there, and it's not like you have a job or friends or family or normal hobbies to occupy your time.

You don't even have to admit that I've pwn3d you. You can just disappear.

 
At 02 April, 2013 08:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that you're moronic, claiming that there are no widows and they have no questions.

 
At 02 April, 2013 10:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

What do you do, Ian, to make the world a better place? If your claims can be believed, you work in Wall Street at a job which contributes nothing to society but aids the profits of certain institutions, you spend your off hours enjoying life and getting your hair styled and going to baseball games.

Do you make any actual contribution to society, or are you nothing more than the selfish parasite your postings make you appear to be?

 
At 02 April, 2013 13:34, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Just call Brian up and talk to him personally. He'd change his tune a bit.

 
At 02 April, 2013 14:45, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"I can't help but say to James B "It's got to be embarrassing for him to be associated with the morons" at SLC."

James provides the only place on the internet that hasn't banned you for being a pompous, mentally ill ass.

If you can't say thank you then just shut the hell up.

 
At 02 April, 2013 15:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

TAW, you lie. I didn't change my tune one bit when you called and threatened me, saying people know where I live and something bad might happen to me.

MGF, you don't know what you're talking about. I post in many places on the internet. I have been banned a couple of times, usually at the insistence of Wizzie LiedRugAs. I don't think Wizzie has the power to get anyone banned any more.

 
At 02 April, 2013 16:07, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

I didn't change my tune one bit when you called and threatened me.

What exactly did I say that was "threatening" Brian? Word for word!

saying people know where I live and something bad might happen to me.

Yeah some people might come looking for you, just not debunkers nor the Government. Perhaps your friends in the Truth Movement might come over for a visit if you keep doing what you're currently doing towards them. You don't understand that I'm looking out for you, I don't want you to go the route Phillip Marshall took.

 
At 02 April, 2013 19:53, Blogger Ian said...

Of course that has nothing to do with the fact that you're moronic, claiming that there are no widows and they have no questions.

Poor Brian. He's still babbling about "widows" as if anyone cares.

What do you do, Ian, to make the world a better place?

Many things. One thing I don't do is spam the internet with idiotic conspiracy theories, nor do I stalk people.

If your claims can be believed, you work in Wall Street at a job which contributes nothing to society but aids the profits of certain institutions, you spend your off hours enjoying life and getting your hair styled and going to baseball games.

I don't work on Wall St. or get my hair styled. You make up your facts!

I do go to baseball games, however. Congrats on getting that right, and identifying me as someone with normal interests.

Do you make any actual contribution to society, or are you nothing more than the selfish parasite your postings make you appear to be?

Poor Brian. He's hysterical because I'm smart and successful, and he's a failed janitor and liar who believes in invisible widows.

 
At 02 April, 2013 19:54, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, you don't know what you're talking about. I post in many places on the internet. I have been banned a couple of times, usually at the insistence of Wizzie LiedRugAs. I don't think Wizzie has the power to get anyone banned any more.

Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez. Or your "widows".

 
At 02 April, 2013 19:59, Blogger Ian said...

James provides the only place on the internet that hasn't banned you for being a pompous, mentally ill ass.

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8832

Brian was banned from 911oz for posting endless dumbspam...and then he came back as "watson" to post the exact same endless dumbspam, and get banned again.

I guess that's just his way of "contributing to society". HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

 
At 02 April, 2013 23:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh right, I forgot. You got fired by Wall Street.

I got banned at 911oz for exposing William Rodriguez as a liar and a fraud. I was right. He is a liar and a fraud.

 
At 03 April, 2013 04:52, Blogger Ian said...

Oh right, I forgot. You got fired by Wall Street.

False. I've never held a job in finance, nor have I ever been fired (I lost a job in a mass layoff once). You live in a fantasy world.

You, however, remain a failed janitor who lives with his parents. And posts endless homosexual stalkerspam about Willie Rodriguez.

I got banned at 911oz for exposing William Rodriguez as a liar and a fraud. I was right. He is a liar and a fraud.

See what I mean?

 
At 03 April, 2013 07:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh, my mistake. You claimed you had an MBA. I thought you implied that you worked on Wall Street. I didn't pay much attention because there is no reason to believe anything you say.

There's nothing sexual about exposing a con artist. You seem to have funny ideas about foreplay. Do you and your financee do a lot of role playing?

 
At 03 April, 2013 08:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 03 April, 2013 10:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

If I was wrong about Willie it would be justifiable to speculate about my motives. But since I am right that he is a con artist, and I have proven that he is a liar and a fraud, such speculations are not justified.

Late in 2006 Carol Brouillet asked me to write a review of Willie's DVD. I'd first heard of Willie back in 2004 in connection with his lawsuit against George Bush, and was inclined to think well of him. After watching the DVD once, I drafted a favorable review. There was no reason for any animosity.

Then I watched the DVD again and realized that his story did not add up. I also found a video of another version of his schtick on the internet and saw that he was crying on cue when he told the story of the woman cut in half by falling glass. I informed Carol that I could not write a favorable review.

I kept my knowledge to myself, satisfied to have kept myself free of an embarrassing endorsement. Late the following spring I heard that Willie was coming to town and I figured that since nobody else had noticed that his story didn't add up, maybe I had been wrong. After all, I'd only invested a few hours in investigating him. I thought Hispanic Outreach could be a productive experiment, and I started making inquiries about organizing an appearance for him in San Jose.

I also wanted the architects and engineers group to investigate the basement bombs story, Willie being just one witness of several. So I started some work on that. But first I wanted to get some clarity on his story of the 22-story collapse in WTC1. Willie claimed that he had .been trying to reach the Windows on the World restaurant, climbing up the stairway, “opening doors and letting people out”.

He claimed he got as far as 39 when there was a 22-story collapse above him, from 65 to 43 “Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!” My engineering instincts were that this alleged 22-story internal collapse was impossible and if it did happen, it would have caused the destruction of the tower when Willie was still on 39. If this happened, it would be a great mystery because the airplane damage was up at 93 to 99, and those floors were separated from 65 by reinforced mechanical floors at 75 and 76. So what caused the collapse at 65? I wanted the architects and engineers to investigate this too, so I started making some preliminary inquiries.

Carol informed Willie that I wanted to know details about the 22-story collapse--did anyone else see it? Hear it? How did he know it was a collapse? When he heard on the radio "We lost 65!" were they maybe talking about Engine 65, which was destroyed?

Willie's response was quite unheroic. Rather than address my questions, he threatened to cancel his Oakland appearance in a 600-seat hall! I found this behavior puzzling, and began to wonder if my attitudes about his DVD had been right after all.

Willie's response was quite unheroic. Rather than address my questions, he threatened to cancel his Oakland appearance in a 600-seat hall! I found this behavior puzzling, and began to wonder if my attitudes about his DVD had been right after all.

It was several years before I realized why Willie reacted so strongly to these questions. It was because the 22-story collapse was the keystone to his story—without that lie his whole narrative arc fell apart.

 
At 03 April, 2013 10:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 03 April, 2013 11:03, Blogger snug.bug said...


See Willie's whole story had one big problem. If he was such a hero, how come he survived when other heroes, such as Frank DeMartini and Pablo Ortiz, did not? If he saved hundreds of lives on floors 1 to 39, how could he turn his back on the people from 40 to 88 who presumably needed help just as badly as those under 40? How could he abandon his heroic quest to climb to the top, leaving it in favor of helping one man in a wheelchair get down from 27 to the ground?

He solved his problem with magic. Poof! 65 to 43 were destroyed. All the people on those floors were dead. Problem solved. Sleight of hand. Act of God. Fog of War. And it must be true, 'cause here's the Key of Hope to prove it!

But it's not true. It didn't happen.

The amazing thing is that he got away with this con for so long. He did so because people wanted so badly to believe him, because nobody could believe that anybody could be such a scumbag as to lie as he did, and because he engaged in a campaign of intimidation, slander, and character assassination against those few people who were willing to call him what he was: a fraud, a common con man who stole the hero story of Pablo Ortiz and tried to pass it off as his own.

 
At 04 April, 2013 04:53, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, can you create a Cliffs Notes version of all that dumbspam you just posted? I've told you before, nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.

 
At 04 April, 2013 05:04, Blogger Ian said...

Hey Brian, I heard a rumor that the widows questions were answered. Is it true?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

 
At 04 April, 2013 06:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

There's nothing homosexual about exposing the con artist William Rodriguez for what he is.

Look at yourself, scumbag, jeering at the frustration of the victims of 9/11 in their quest for answers.

 
At 04 April, 2013 19:09, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, you're not a victim of 9/11. You do, however, spit on the graves of the victims by promoting deranged conspiracy theories about 9/11.

 

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