Tuesday, April 02, 2013

Latest Poll: LIHOP At 11%

Public Policy Polling did a survey of various conspiracy theories; 9-11 Trutherism fell way down the list:

5% believe exhaust seen in the sky behind airplanes is actually chemicals sprayed by the government for sinister reasons

15% of voters think the medical industry and the pharmaceutical industry “invent” new diseases to make money

Just 5% of voters believe that Paul McCartney actually died in 1966

11% of voters believe the US government allowed 9/11 to happen, 78% do not agree

Some may get annoyed at a few of the questions designated as conspiracy theories; for example:

Voters are split 44%-45% on whether Bush intentionally misled about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 72% of Democrats think Bush lied about WMDs, Independents agree 48-45, just 13% of Republicans think so

While conservatives will probably not be happy with this one being included:

37% of voters believe global warming is a hoax, 51% do not. Republicans say global warming is a hoax by a 58-25 margin, Democrats disagree 11-77, and Independents are more split at 41-51. 61% of Romney voters believe global warming is a hoax

Personally I don't think it's a hoax, but I do think that the media has overstated the negative consequences at times and completely failed to set the proper example on many occasions. My personal favorite was when NBC sent Meredith Viera and a camera crew (and I'm sure a makeup specialist and other support personnel) to Australia to do a special live report about how serious global warming is. Hello!

The one question that I think they completely blew is this one:

Do you believe aliens exist, or not?

I certainly believe alien life forms exist somewhere in the universe; I do not believe they have visited Earth.

BTW, there are some interesting results on the 9-11 question in the crosstabs. The young (18-29) are much more likely to believe in the LIHOP theories than the old (over 65) by 18%-7%. There's not a huge difference between very liberal (14%) and very conservative (11%) on the question; moderates were the least likely to say yes at 8%. More Obama voters (13%) than Romney voters (8%) said yes to LIHOP; that may be more due to the age differences than anything else.

54 Comments:

At 03 April, 2013 05:01, Blogger Ian said...

With you on alien life, Pat. I mean, if life can exist in such inhospitable environments as hot acidic volcanic lakes, or the stratosphere, or in Lake Vostok, under miles of Antarctic ice, then one has to think it's possible to exist in inhospitable environments everywhere. Add in all the planets we're discovering outside our solar system, and I would think the likelihood is very high.

And while I'm sure there are many global warming deniers who fit the conspiracy theorist bill, many people are just low-information and don't really get the distinction between weather and climate. You see polls where more people believe global warming after a heat wave, or a powerful hurricane hits, but then stop believing it after a blizzard, or an unusually cold month (like the March we just had).

 
At 03 April, 2013 08:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lots of stuff to chew over in the crosstabs.

It's interesting that so many are so certain that bin Laden is still alive or that he's dead when there's no evidence for the former and we just have to take the government's word for it for the latter.

Some polls in 2004 were skewed because they only called landlines, and many young people do not have landlines. I wonder what the demographics of the sample was. Also, I don't participate in telephone polls because I've had inquiries in the past that I feared might have been from my employers or prospective employers, so I wonder how many people refused to participate in the poll at all.




 
At 04 April, 2013 05:00, Blogger Ian said...

I love it when Brian lets his guard down and starts saying the kind of incoherent nonsense you'd expect from a mentally ill unemployed janitor.

 
At 04 April, 2013 06:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

Poor Ian. His lips get tired when he reads.

 
At 04 April, 2013 15:32, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The young (18-29) are much more likely to believe in the LIHOP theories than the old (over 65) by 18%-7%.

That age group appears inherently more susceptible to crackpot ideas. Chemtrails are nearly matched with 9/11 Truth, and lizard people aren't far behind.

Puzzling exception: that's also the most likely group to believe Oswald acted alone. Somebody explain that.

 
At 04 April, 2013 16:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ummm, maybe 'cause they are susceptible to crackpot ideas?

A recent Gallup poll says a majority of those under 30 do not think Vietnam was a mistake.

 
At 04 April, 2013 19:11, Blogger Ian said...

Poor Ian. His lips get tired when he reads.

Squeal squeal squeal!


A recent Gallup poll says a majority of those under 30 do not think Vietnam was a mistake.

Who cares what people who were born a decade after the US left Vietnam think about it? Who cares what ANYBODY thinks about Vietnam in 2013?

Brian, it's not 1968 anymore. Try living in this century for once.

 
At 04 April, 2013 21:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I guess you never heard the bromide "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

If the young think Vietnam was not a mistake, then they're likely to do it again.

You jeer at the frustration of the victims of 9/11 in their quest for answers. You're a scumbag.

 
At 05 April, 2013 04:42, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, I guess you never heard the bromide "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Brian is hilarious when he uses words he doesn't understand, like "bromide", in an attempt to seem intelligent.

Brian, if people in their 20s want a failed war fought on dubious grounds, they've got plenty to choose from in the past decade. I understand why a fossil like you would still think Vietnam is important, since your life wasn't the abject failure it is now in 1968. You still were in your glory days, before failing out of San Jose State, and then moving from one menial job to another while living with your parents.

If the young think Vietnam was not a mistake, then they're likely to do it again.

Actually, "the young" are more likely to invest in a textile factory in Vietnam. You live in a fantasy world.

You jeer at the frustration of the victims of 9/11 in their quest for answers. You're a scumbag.

Squeal squeal squeal!

You're not a victim of 9/11, Brian. You're a failed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves.

 
At 05 April, 2013 05:19, Blogger Len said...

LOL "11% of voters believe the US government allowed 9/11 to happen" but 13% believe Obama is the anti-Christ.

 
At 05 April, 2013 07:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie again and again and again. I understand "bromide" just fine.

You seem to be unable to distinguish between the point and the subject. The point was the lesson of a futile war on the wrong side of history. You think the points was "let's never fight the Vietnamese again."

I didn't say I was a victim of 9/11, Ian. I said you were jeering at the widows' frustration.

 
At 05 April, 2013 08:09, Blogger Oystein said...

28% believe in a sinister NWO, but only in 11% are 9/11 Twoofies? That means that even among NWO crackpots, 9/11 Twoof is only a minority stance.

4% believe in lizard people?? I'd be surprised if 4% even ever heard of such a thing! Clearly, respondends exaggerate their wooish beliefs, don't you think?

"Aliens exist" are commented on enough - there is no reference to a conspiracy here. Did the NWO create aliens, or suppress evidence? Or rig the philosophical or scientific arguments?

"Global warning" is more a matter of opinion, as the scientific data and theories are extremely complex, vast, cannot be beheld by amateurs, and there is only so much scientific consensus. So when the question is "Do you believe global warming is a hoax?", what do people actually repy with - their opinion on whether the consensus opinion is merely wrong (either just mistaken or deliberately invented/manipulated), or whether some group created this as a hoax? I am sure a significant proportion of the "yes" votes comes from people who think there is no man-made warming, but also don't think it's a hoax. And the converse: Some "no"-votes may come from people who think there is no man-made warming, and also don't think it's a hoax.

28% believe Saddam involved in 9/11 - this is truly sad.

 
At 05 April, 2013 10:24, Blogger Len said...

"A recent Gallup poll says a majority of those under 30 do not think Vietnam was a mistake."

OK so the same age group that thinks something stupid about the Vietnam War, are the most likely to support 9/11 CTs just like you do. How does this help your case?

 
At 05 April, 2013 11:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

My case is truth.

 
At 05 April, 2013 11:52, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Well I would think that the 11% is defininate evidence that the Truth Movements numbers have declined over the years. People are waking up to the fact that they haven't gotten any where in about 12 yrs.

 
At 05 April, 2013 15:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Definite evidence, I agree. But I still wonder about their polling methodology. Did they do something goofy, like only call land-liners, to skew their results?

The 11% is very strange. The most recent poll I know of is the Scripps-Howard that found that 36% found LIHOP very likely or somewhat likely.

Maybe the problem is that it was framed as "Do you believe LIHOP--yes or no?" Though I consider it the most reasonable explanation for what happened, I would have to say no, I don't "believe" that's what happened. I don't know what happened. That's why we need honest and complete investigations.

 
At 05 April, 2013 18:01, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

That's why we need honest and complete investigations.

Wasn't the Warren Commission honest and complete? How about the Space Shuttle Challenger and Columbia Commissions, weren't they honest and complete?

 
At 05 April, 2013 18:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't know about those other investigations, because I've had no cause to study them.

I have studied the NIST reports and no, they are not honest or complete.

 
At 05 April, 2013 20:01, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

I wonder how many people think that it was Janet Reno who let the dogs out in the year 2000?

 
At 05 April, 2013 20:40, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The 11% is very strange. The most recent poll I know of is the Scripps-Howard that found that 36% found LIHOP very likely or somewhat likely.

Different doesn't mean strange. Maybe the number used to be 36% but years of Truther incompetence has reduced it to 11%. Maybe the Scripps-Howard methodology was skewed. Why the presumption that some arbitrary poll is accurate and shouldn't change?

 
At 05 April, 2013 21:36, Blogger Ian said...

My case is truth.

False. Your "case" is desperate delusions about 9/11.

Though I consider it the most reasonable explanation for what happened, I would have to say no, I don't "believe" that's what happened.

Nobody cares what you consider the "most reasonable explanation" since you're a mentally ill liar and ignoramus.

I don't know what happened. That's why we need honest and complete investigations.

See what I mean? Sane people know what happened and understand that we have had honest and complete investigations.

 
At 05 April, 2013 21:40, Blogger Ian said...

I don't know about those other investigations, because I've had no cause to study them.

You don't know anything about 9/11 either, but that hasn't stopped you from posting endless dumbspam about it.

I have studied the NIST reports and no, they are not honest or complete.

See what I mean? Brian, you're a mentally ill unemployed janitor who babbles about "essential mysteries" because you're too stupid, ignorant, and insane to understand what happened on 9/11. Normal, intelligent, educated people understand 9/11 just fine.

 
At 05 April, 2013 21:43, Blogger Ian said...

So Brian, do you ever plan on changing your avatar photo? We all know about your homosexual lust for Willie Rodriguez. You can stop advertising it everywhere.

How about using this photo of yourself with your deranged 1000 yard stare and your hideous homeless mullet?

http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood

 
At 05 April, 2013 22:33, OpenID AB said...

>>>> "It's interesting that so many are so certain that bin Laden is still alive or that he's dead when there's no evidence for the former and we just have to take the government's word for it for the latter."

Ummm, bin Laden's death was confirmed by a number of non-US sources including the bin Laden widows, the Pakistani authorities who interviewed the widows, al-Qaeda itself in a statement, and Ayman al-Zawahri in a video.

 
At 05 April, 2013 22:38, OpenID AB said...

"How about the Space Shuttle Challenger and Columbia Commissions, weren't they honest and complete?"

No. The Challenger commission failed to explain the descent dynamics of the shuttle pieces, the size and distribution of the debris field, the flashes trailing the right wing at T+45 seconds, the timing of the separation of the crew cabin from the body of the shuttle, and the degree of crookedness of the smoke plumes following the explosion. Also, the Commission neglected to search for thermite and explosive residues and failed to model a simulation that matches the video footage of the disaster. We need a new witch hunt--er, investigation--that is honest and complete, goddammit.

 
At 06 April, 2013 06:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

I see Ian spends his Friday nights in NYC giving fashion tips to a guy he wants to think maintains homosexual lusts.

RGT, mostly people change their opinions based on new information. There is little new information about LIHOP, and what there has been since 2006 (some refinements to the Able Danger story, the Behrooz Sarshar story, and the Mark Rossini story for instance) is all supportive of LIHOP suspicions.

Only simple-minded people would base their opinions about facts on their feelings about a movement.

 
At 06 April, 2013 07:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, are you claiming that the 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects, 6 AIA Fellows, 40 PhD engineers, and 11 Stanford engineers of AE911Truth.org are not intelligent and educated people?

As to my avatar, I use it to point out that Willie ran away squealing and crying when I pointed out that his hero story was a lie and a fraud, when I pointed out that he is a common con artist trying to pass off a $1 bill as a $20 bill, and that he stole his hero story from a true hero--Pablo Ortiz.

Old Jigglecheeks Willie ran away squealing and crying and he's hiding in his basement apartment in New Jersey with a dog named Elvis.





 
At 06 April, 2013 08:04, OpenID AB said...

Every large group has its nut-fringe. There are 50,000 Stanford engineering alumni. So what if 11 of them espouse fringe beliefs? 40 PhD engineers is peanuts compared to the 500+ PhD scientists (incl. 150+ PhD biologists) who signed the Discovery Institute's anti-evolution statement. Is anyone fooled by these kooky petitions?

 
At 06 April, 2013 08:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

So how many independent architects and engineers (free of professioal ties to NIST) can you name who have expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario? I'll tell you: ZILCH, NADA, ZERO.

 
At 06 April, 2013 09:54, OpenID AB said...

Jeez. Look on JREF, for starters. Lots of members are engineers and have expressed broad (though rarely perfect) agreement with NIST.

Saying that one must be "free of professioal ties to NIST" is just a slick way of dismissing firms like Simpson Gumpertz & Heger, researchers like Bazant & co-authors, and most anyone who studied the collapses professionally and likely would have had at least some interaction with NIST at some point.

 
At 06 April, 2013 09:59, Blogger Ian said...

I see Ian spends his Friday nights in NYC giving fashion tips to a guy he wants to think maintains homosexual lusts.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Boy, it really bothers you that I a) have friends and b) have a job, and thus can enjoy dinner and drinks with friends on the weekend, unlike you.

Ian, are you claiming that the 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects, 6 AIA Fellows, 40 PhD engineers, and 11 Stanford engineers of AE911Truth.org are not intelligent and educated people?

They could be intelligent and just insane. Just because you're both unintelligent and insane doesn't mean every truther is both.

 
At 06 April, 2013 10:01, Blogger Ian said...

As to my avatar, I use it to point out that Willie ran away squealing and crying when I pointed out that his hero story was a lie and a fraud, when I pointed out that he is a common con artist trying to pass off a $1 bill as a $20 bill, and that he stole his hero story from a true hero--Pablo Ortiz.

Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez. He's a hero, you're a liar.

Old Jigglecheeks Willie ran away squealing and crying and he's hiding in his basement apartment in New Jersey with a dog named Elvis.

At least he has an apartment. You live with your parents because you have no job. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

 
At 06 April, 2013 10:04, Blogger Ian said...

So how many independent architects and engineers (free of professioal ties to NIST) can you name who have expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario? I'll tell you: ZILCH, NADA, ZERO.

Poor Brian. He's so hysterical that he thinks if he types something in all caps, that will make it true.

Hey Brian, maybe if you babble about your "widows" and their 273 "unanswered questions" in all caps, that will get the questions answered too!

 
At 06 April, 2013 10:51, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

RGT, mostly people change their opinions based on new information.

The failure of significant new information to emerge is, in itself, new information. Any group that underdelivers on its promises for seven years will suffer diminished credibility.

 
At 06 April, 2013 10:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

AB, when you demand that I do YOUR homework and go looking among a bunch of anonymous liars at JREF who may or may not claim to be engineers, you're only proving my point.

You can not name even one independent architect or engineer who will publicly endorse NIST's collapse sequence.

1830 independent architects and engineers are not satisfied with the official investigations. You can't name even one who will say that he or she is.

The reason to dismiss Simpson Gumpertz & Heger is because under contract they did the FEA for NIST. It would be highly unprofessional of them to criticize the report done by their own client, and they wouldn't do it. They thus have a conflict of interest so any expression of confidence on their part in the NIST report is meaningless.

 
At 06 April, 2013 10:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, the group that underdelivered on its promises is the government. The 9/11 Commission promised to provide a “full and complete accounting” of what happened on 9/11 and NIST's objective was to explain "why and how" the buildings collapsed. Neither has done so.

 
At 06 April, 2013 11:40, OpenID AB said...

> "You can't name even one"

"I support the general conclusions of the NIST report."
--Leslie Robertson, chief structural engineer, twin towers.

 
At 06 April, 2013 11:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

Leslie Robertson's firm had a contract with NIST. Robertson is not independent. Besides, Robertson is a liar. See the five-minute youtube "The 9/11 Deep Mystery and the Crazy Engineers".

 
At 06 April, 2013 12:46, Blogger Ian said...

Leslie Robertson's firm had a contract with NIST. Robertson is not independent. Besides, Robertson is a liar. See the five-minute youtube "The 9/11 Deep Mystery and the Crazy Engineers".

Nobody cares what you think. You're a failed janitor who believes in modified attack baboons.

 
At 06 April, 2013 12:56, Blogger Ian said...

Let's also remember that Brian can't name a single independent widow with a question. Laurie Van Auken is affiliated with the Jersey Girls, and thus not independent. Also, she is a liar. See the 5-minute video at this site:

http://www.briangoodwearswomensunderwear.com

 
At 06 April, 2013 14:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

The Jersey widows are independent, Lian. They don't have professional ties to NIST.

 
At 06 April, 2013 17:29, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"A recent Gallup poll says a majority of those under 30 do not think Vietnam was a mistake"

...and how do they feel about the Spanish American War, or the Philippines Insurrection? Ancient history is ancient history.

"My case is truth."

It could also be a case syphilitic dementia.

"Ian, are you claiming that the 50 structural engineers, 40 high-rise architects, 6 AIA Fellows, 40 PhD engineers, and 11 Stanford engineers of AE911Truth.org are not intelligent and educated people?"

Yes. Belonging to AE911Troof draws into question both their intellect and their emotional stability.

"So how many independent architects and engineers (free of professioal ties to NIST) can you name who have expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario?"

The National Institutue of Standards and Technology is what the big kids call a prestigious organization. They actually make the world a better place. Someone who has worked on a NIST is not someone guilty of anything other than being gifted. It's like working with NASA.

The better question is why have none of the AE911Troofers never worked for NIST? Incompetence? Never got the call to the big show? Could their disdain for NIST actually be jealousy?

I think so.

 
At 07 April, 2013 07:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your belief that the Philippine insurrection (which continues in Mindanao today) is irrelevent to insurgencies we fight today only shows the poor quality of your thinking.

How exactly does signing a petition calling for new 9/11 investigations draw into question the signators' "intellect and their emotional stability"? That's rich, coming from a college dropout like yourself who can't even remember the heat of fusion from Chem 1A.

You can not name ONE independent architect or engineer (free of professional ties to NIST) who has expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario. You seem to think that doesn't matter, because NIST is a "prestigious organization". What's prestigious about junk science, dishonesty, dry-labbing, and reverse-engineering?



 
At 07 April, 2013 08:08, Blogger Ian said...

The Jersey widows are independent, Lian. They don't have professional ties to NIST.

False.

Your belief that the Philippine insurrection (which continues in Mindanao today) is irrelevent to insurgencies we fight today only shows the poor quality of your thinking.

I love it when Brian confidently asserts something even though he has no idea what he's talking about. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.

How exactly does signing a petition calling for new 9/11 investigations draw into question the signators' "intellect and their emotional stability"? That's rich, coming from a college dropout like yourself who can't even remember the heat of fusion from Chem 1A.

Brian, you'd probably do well not to call other people a college drop-out, given that you failed out of San Jose State and can't hold down a job mopping floors.

 
At 07 April, 2013 08:09, Blogger Ian said...

You can not name ONE independent architect or engineer (free of professional ties to NIST) who has expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario. You seem to think that doesn't matter, because NIST is a "prestigious organization". What's prestigious about junk science, dishonesty, dry-labbing, and reverse-engineering?

Poor Brian. He's hysterical because serious scientists aren't listening to the babbling of a failed janitor who wears women's underwear.

 
At 07 April, 2013 09:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, all you do is lie. What kind of fool spends his time that way?

What ties have the widows to NIST? When did I fail out of San Jose State?

 
At 07 April, 2013 12:15, Blogger Ian said...

Poor Brian. I've humiliated him again.

Brian, you told us yourself that you failed out of San Jose State.

The widows are not independent because they're tied to the Jersey Girls. Please identify an independent widow with a question. You can't because there are none.

 
At 07 April, 2013 14:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lian, I never said any such thing. You live in a fantasy world.

Being tied to the Jersey Girls does not create a conflict of interest. Being tied to NIST does. The Jersey widows are not tied to NIST.

 
At 07 April, 2013 15:42, Blogger Ian said...

Lian, I never said any such thing. You live in a fantasy world.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Being tied to the Jersey Girls does not create a conflict of interest. Being tied to NIST does. The Jersey widows are not tied to NIST.

Brian, this excuse-making doesn't change the fact that the Jersey Widows are not independent. Please identify an independent widow with a question. You can't because there are none.

 
At 07 April, 2013 17:03, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Man, Brian's off his meds big time.

 
At 07 April, 2013 19:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your belief that the Philippine insurrection (which continues in Mindanao today) is irrelevent to insurgencies we fight today only shows the poor quality of your thinking.

How exactly does signing a petition calling for new 9/11 investigations draw into question the signators' "intellect and their emotional stability"? That's rich, coming from a college dropout like yourself who can't even remember the heat of fusion from Chem 1A.

You can not name ONE independent architect or engineer (free of professional ties to NIST) who has expressed confidence in the NIST collapse scenario. You seem to think that doesn't matter, because NIST is a "prestigious organization". What's prestigious about junk science, dishonesty, dry-labbing, and reverse-engineering?

 
At 08 April, 2013 15:07, Blogger Ian said...

Man, Brian's off his meds big time.

 
At 08 April, 2013 15:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Those who wish to obscure the fact that they can not answer important questions post Lyinanity instead.

 
At 09 April, 2013 17:13, Blogger Ian said...

See what I mean?

 

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