Interview With a Survivor
Our Italian debunking buddies interview a man who was visiting the 64th floor of the South Tower when the first plane hit, and in the stairwell when the second plane hit his building. Some interesting details about the security situation:
When you go through the lobby you had to get your picture taken and they were giving you a card with your picture and the date and what floors you were supposed to be on, with that card you could go to the elevators and go to whatever floor you were designated to. They really had good security at the World Trade Center. I went up to the 64th floor of the South Tower, I talked to the receptionist and she brought me to the conference room where my meeting was meant to begin at 8 o'clock, I think we started a little bit late like 8:05.Unlikely to convince the Troofers that security was too tight for their fanciful thermite emplacement, but then again nothing is going to sway them.
posted by Pat @ 6:32 PM
48 comments
48 Comments:
well, the truthers have lied about every detail of 911, so surely they will lie themselves out of this one too...
Remember how the Pentagon was the "most secured building" too? Truthers will say "oh that person is lying, they weren't there on the 64th floor."
As a matter of fact without a security card with your ID on it you can not enter those buildings. So how can a super secret covert black ops controlled demolition team plant explosives without an ID card? Don't Truthers know that the data collected from those ID's was logged into a computer and saved on file? Guess Truthers didn't think about that did they? Too damn stupid not to notice I guess. Just like the Pentagon, everyone has an ID card and without it you weren't allowed inside.
Explain this fact Truthers cause you fucking can't!
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All they need to do to shut the troofers up forever is to show a better quality video of the plane hitting the pentagon. Maybe one of those 84 hidden ones. National security? Still? 15 years later? C'mon, Bin Laden's dead, the war is over. Release the footage...
So All 84 cameras were pointing to 1 location on the Pentagon? Wow, that's kinda stupid if you think about it. Why have 84 cameras when you have witnesses from all around that saw Flight 77 crash into the building? Also why focus on cameras and not the plane debris?
Truthers - 14 years of failure and continuing!
WTF. This Stundie Award guy needs to calm down. Im obviously agreeing with the OP...
@DecideMyFate: all 84 videos have been released and are available on youtube.
And of course, they are ignored by the truther movement.
th, can you name a particular detail of 9/11 about which "the truthers" have lied? What "truthers" and what detail?
Where have 84 Pentagon videos been released and where can I see them on youtube.
So you think picture IDs are foolproof? Did none of you ever see "The Fugitive"?
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/15/national/15LICE.html
A deliberately set fire caused the death of a driver's license examiner who had been accused of illegally selling licenses to five Middle Eastern men who were being investigated for possible ties to terrorism, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has said.
Gasoline was poured on the clothing of the examiner, Katherine Smith, before she burned to death on Sunday in an automobile accident, J. Suzanne Nash, an F.B.I. agent, said on Wednesday.
Ms. Smith died one day before she was to have appeared in court with her five co-defendants after being arrested last week on charges of conspiracy to obtain driver's licenses illegally.
In a federal court hearing here on Wednesday, Ms. Nash said an accelerant had been found in Ms. Smith's car, adding that her death was "not an accident."
Investigators have said the gasoline tank of the automobile did not explode. Ms. Nash also said witnesses had reported that the interior of Ms. Smith's car was on fire before the vehicle struck a utility pole, causing just minor damage to the car.
Ms. Nash told the court on Monday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was looking into whether the five men who were arrested had ties to terrorist groups, citing connections to the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
The five men, one of whom said he was a plumber at the trade center and had a visitor's pass to the towers dated Sept. 5, are being held without bond.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/18/us/nation-challenged-suspicious-death-memphis-fraud-case-long-clues-but-short.html
Mr. Hammad had a worker's pass to the World Trade Center dated Sept. 5. Suddenly, the case became a possible terrorist plot.
In a telephone interview on Saturday, Mr. Hammad's father, Peter Hansen, said his son was a plumber, and he provided a letter he said he had obtained from his son's employer attesting to his work at the trade center. In the letter, dated Feb. 13, Sergei Denko, president of Denko Mechanical, said Mr. Hammad had been working for his company in the basement garage area of 1 World Trade Center.
''He was there for a couple of days,'' Mr. Denko said in an interview.
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/17/Worldandnation/Fiery_death_raises_fe.shtml
A few months ago, the contents of Sakher Hammad's wallet would have seemed innocuous: two video rental cards; two major credit cards; a card designating him a "charter member" of Team Ford Racing; a New York plumber's business card.
And a pass, dated 09/05/01 that gave him access to the lower basement of One World Trade Center.
Shown a photocopy, New York City Port Authority officials said the pass looked authentic, but they couldn't be certain without seeing the original.
Authorities say Sakher Hammad told them that he is plumber and that he and his cousin were in the tower to work on the sprinkler system. New York authorities have no record of a plumber's license for either cousin.
@truth hurts: I just searched and can't find any new Flight 77 videos on YouTube. Can you post some links please?
th, can you name a particular detail of 9/11 about which "the truthers" have lied? What "truthers" and what detail?
You've lied when you said that there are widows with questions. You've lied when you said that Willie Rodriguez is a fraud. You've lied when you said you didn't fail out of San Jose State.
So you think picture IDs are foolproof? Did none of you ever see "The Fugitive"?
It doesn't surprise me that you are familiar with this movie. After all, once you were fired from your janitor's job, you were probably interested in ways of lying and faking your way back into a job mopping floors. How many jobs did you apply for as "Desmondo Jose Ruiz", Brian? No wonder you're such a racist. Salvadoran immigrants were a lot better at your job than you were.
More lyin iananity from a lyin ianinny, I see.
Brian, i never said there were 84 hidden pentagon videos.
You still have a reading problem.
I pointed out many times to you when and how the truthers lied. But since you are a truther yourself, you of course will lie about that.
@decidemyfate: That is because you were spoon fed by the truther movement that there are 84 videos of the plane crash.
That is not the case. There are 84 videos of 911 confiscated by the FBI. Most of them are from Manhattan. 16 are taken at the pentagon, but most of them are from the aftermath, not of the actual plane crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEYdTecl6Y&list=PLkI0c104aTNy6oo0WClG8jzy_KpSXnERu
More lyin iananity from a lyin ianinny, I see.
Poor Brian. I've humiliated him again.
Well, Brian, you could always stop posting your dumbspam here. After 7 years and thousands upon thousands of pages of hysterical spam, you might try something else, given that you've accomplished nothing, but have been ridiculed mercilessly for your hideous haircut and your obsession with invisible widows.
Speaking of that, I made some crank calls last weekend to Laurie Van Auken. I suggested that her husband surived 9/11, and is living it up in Aruba right now. 9/11 was the perfect excuse for him to get away from that bitch. I mean, have you SEEN her? Oof! She needs to lay off the Ben & Jerry's.
Uh enough of this. Unsubscribe.
I hate it when people bitch about those 84 cameras that they think were @ the Pentagon. Then you tell them the truth and they won't believe it. Gullible twits, gullible twits every where.
th, you seem to think that lying stupidly is clever. Anyone can look upthread and see that you claimed that "all 84 videos have been released and are available on youtube" in the context of Pentagon videos.
You lie like an Ianinny. When did you point out how the truthers lie?
Michael Moore said "I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this.
Michael Moore has credibility. Lying anonymous internet posters like th have none.
It's cute that Brian thinks Michael Moore has credibility. It's also cute that he thinks Laurie Van Auken is a widow. Reality has never been Brian's strong suit, which is why he goes out in public with that hideous haircut of his.
It thinks it's funny.
No Brian, you made that up yourself. The question was if the 84 hidden videos might contain footage of the plane.
You turned that into 84 videos of the pentagon, while you perfectly well know that there are no 84 confiscated pentagon videos.
@Stundie: truthers use questions as evidence. They don't want to see them answered.
So Decidemyfate leaves when answers appear....
It thinks it's funny.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because I've humiliated him more times that he can count, and Brian really isn't good at counting, which is why he's unemployed and lives with his parents.
th, you lie Lyian Iananity ike a Lyin Ianinny.
The issue, as anyone can see who bothers to check, was "All they need to do to shut the troofers up forever is to show a better quality video of the plane hitting the pentagon. Maybe one of those 84 hidden ones."
The plane and the pentagon. You are making a distinction without a difference in an effort to create confusion over your own self-pwnage.
Nobody said there are 84 confiscated Pentagon videos.
Lyin Ianinny, your Lyin Iananity does not have the power to humiliate anyone but yourself.
Both of you are trying to cover up the information about WTC passes that pokes a huge hole in Pat's claim that "security was too tight" for thermite emplacement.
The issue, as anyone can see who bothers to check, was "All they need to do to shut the troofers up forever is to show a better quality video of the plane hitting the pentagon. Maybe one of those 84 hidden ones."
No, Brian, the issue is that you're a failed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves.
Both of you are trying to cover up the information about WTC passes that pokes a huge hole in Pat's claim that "security was too tight" for thermite emplacement.
See what I mean? In your demented fantasy world, magic elves would have eluded security and sprayed magic thermite all over the elevator shafts.
It makes me wonder how you could babble about thermite while rejecting the far more probable explanation of 9/11: that modified attack baboons planted micro-nukes in the towers.
I like how the comments are about the Pentagon even though the topic is about a survivor of the South Tower.
I like how he's an engineer, and totally understood the collapse instantly when he saw it.
The security thing is good because it should be no problem to look up who was where when the elevators were being repaired. That data was backed up and stored off-site. But then that would just be too easy and require action instead of just asking questions.
The comments were about the Pentagon because nobody but me had anything of any consequence to to say about the topic subject--id cards in the WTC.
As an engineer, Jim Campbell was president and CEO of Ventaso Inc., a software company. His 2001 account does not reveal that he "understood the collapse instantly". NOVA tells us that most structural engineers were surprised when the towers fell.
The towers had a peak population of 50,000 people. Do you honestly think that WTC security checked photo ids for 50,000 people before letting them go up the elevators? At one ID every six seconds, it would take 50 guards 100 minutes to check all those IDs.
The towers had a peak population of 50,000 people. Do you honestly think that WTC security checked photo ids for 50,000 people before letting them go up the elevators? At one ID every six seconds, it would take 50 guards 100 minutes to check all those IDs.
Why would magic thermite elves need IDs to sneak into the elevator shafts?
@Mark: that is how truthers work. It is hard to get around the statements of this engineer, so they change the subject to pentagon videos and then start a quarrel about them when they actually get an answer.
The towers had a peak population of 50,000 people
according to the truth movement, they were almost empty, which is why they neede to demolish them..
Can you explain why you don't follow that theory?
NOVA tells us
And what does NOVA tell us about the cause of the collapse?
Magic elves don't need ID cards, Ian. They get smuggled in, hiding in cereal boxes.
th, who in the truth movement says the towers were almost empty. You make up your facts.
The issue, as anyone can see who bothers to check, was "All they need to do to shut the troofers up forever is to show a better quality video of the plane hitting the pentagon. Maybe one of those 84 hidden ones."
Indeed, maybe one of those 84 hidden videos shows a better quality video of the plane hitting the pentagon
It doesn't say that all those 84 videos were from the pentagon.
That is what you made of it.
Lets put it another way.
If you say "maybe this box of pictures contains a picture of me with a less hideous haircut" does not imply that ever picture in that box if of you.
Magic elves don't need ID cards, Ian. They get smuggled in, hiding in cereal boxes.
Thanks for proving my point, you're babbling about IDs for no reason, since the magic elves who sprayed the magic thermite on the columns wouldn't need IDs anyway.
It's kind of pathetic that you don't even know your own theories of what happened on 9/11, Brian.
th, Michael Moore says there were 100 cameras at the Pentagon. Do you have any credible information that suggests otherwise? You are blowing stinky smoke.
I'm not babbling, Ianinny. You are.
Let's get back on topic. Pat said "security was too tight" for the emplacement of incendiaries in ten towers.
Here are some mainstream references:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/15/national/15LICE.html
A deliberately set fire caused the death of a driver's license examiner who had been accused of illegally selling licenses to five Middle Eastern men who were being investigated for possible ties to terrorism, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has said.
Gasoline was poured on the clothing of the examiner, Katherine Smith, before she burned to death on Sunday in an automobile accident, J. Suzanne Nash, an F.B.I. agent, said on Wednesday.
Ms. Smith died one day before she was to have appeared in court with her five co-defendants after being arrested last week on charges of conspiracy to obtain driver's licenses illegally.
In a federal court hearing here on Wednesday, Ms. Nash said an accelerant had been found in Ms. Smith's car, adding that her death was "not an accident."
Investigators have said the gasoline tank of the automobile did not explode. Ms. Nash also said witnesses had reported that the interior of Ms. Smith's car was on fire before the vehicle struck a utility pole, causing just minor damage to the car.
Ms. Nash told the court on Monday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was looking into whether the five men who were arrested had ties to terrorist groups, citing connections to the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
The five men, one of whom said he was a plumber at the trade center and had a visitor's pass to the towers dated Sept. 5, are being held without bond.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/18/us/nation-challenged-suspicious-death-memphis-fraud-case-long-clues-but-short.html
Mr. Hammad had a worker's pass to the World Trade Center dated Sept. 5. Suddenly, the case became a possible terrorist plot.
In a telephone interview on Saturday, Mr. Hammad's father, Peter Hansen, said his son was a plumber, and he provided a letter he said he had obtained from his son's employer attesting to his work at the trade center. In the letter, dated Feb. 13, Sergei Denko, president of Denko Mechanical, said Mr. Hammad had been working for his company in the basement garage area of 1 World Trade Center.
''He was there for a couple of days,'' Mr. Denko said in an interview.
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/17/Worldandnation/Fiery_death_raises_fe.shtml
A few months ago, the contents of Sakher Hammad's wallet would have seemed innocuous: two video rental cards; two major credit cards; a card designating him a "charter member" of Team Ford Racing; a New York plumber's business card.
And a pass, dated 09/05/01 that gave him access to the lower basement of One World Trade Center.
Shown a photocopy, New York City Port Authority officials said the pass looked authentic, but they couldn't be certain without seeing the original.
Authorities say Sakher Hammad told them that he is plumber and that he and his cousin were in the tower to work on the sprinkler system. New York authorities have no record of a plumber's license for either cousin.
Pat said "security was too tight" for the emplacement of incendiaries in ten towers.
Yes, Brian, which is why you propose that magic thermite elves snuck into the towers in cereal boxes to spray magic thermite all over the support columns. You've been babbling about this for 7 years here. The rest of your post is just spam.
Of course, you're a failed janitor who sniffs glue. Nobody cares what you propose.
Ianinny, the only one who ever proposed and/or babbled anything about magic elves is you.
I take it you have no comment about the pass in the possession of the mysterious Mr. Sakher Hammsd.
Ianinny, the only one who ever proposed and/or babbled anything about magic elves is you.
False. You've posted endless spam about magic thermite. Not nearly as much as your homosexual lovespam about Willie Rodriguez, of course.
I take it you have no comment about the pass in the possession of the mysterious Mr. Sakher Hammsd.
February of 2002. I was still in college then. Now I'm a successful professional with an MBA and years of experience, which is why I could afford tickets to see the Mets play the Cubs in the NLCS. You can't even afford a decent haircut.
Anything about Sakher Hammsd [sic] from this decade, or at least since the iPhone was released?
Ianinny, I never posted anything about magic. I leave that to Lyin Ianinnies like you.
I never posted any lovespam about Willie R. All I ever posted was facts that showed his fraudulent hero story to be a lie. Facts he can not and will not refute.
You seem to think your tickets to the Mets have something to do with Mr. Sakher Hammad's passes to the WTC in 2001. Thanks for showing the quality of SLC debunkery. It's no surprise that Pat and James post so infrequently on this blog when the local talent is oozing stinky juice as they sashay down the street.
I never posted any lovespam about Willie R
You are joking, right?
th, Michael Moore says there were 100 cameras at the Pentagon
And what is his evidence for that?
Of course, you never bothered to ask him.
You just eat what he says like candy.
Ianinny, I never posted anything about magic. I leave that to Lyin Ianinnies like you.
False.
I never posted any lovespam about Willie R. All I ever posted was facts that showed his fraudulent hero story to be a lie. Facts he can not and will not refute.
False.
You seem to think your tickets to the Mets have something to do with Mr. Sakher Hammad's passes to the WTC in 2001.
No, my Mets tickets indicate that I'm smart and successful, while you're a total failure and loser who babbles about ancient history like Sakher Hammad.
Thanks for showing the quality of SLC debunkery. It's no surprise that Pat and James post so infrequently on this blog when the local talent is oozing stinky juice as they sashay down the street.
Squeal squeal squeal! Poor Brian, he's hysterical because I asked for something current about Sakher Hammad, and all he can do is babble about his bizarre sexual fetishes. Brian, please keep your perverted fantasies off of this board.
Anyway, Brian, today is Friday, which means another week has passed without the widows getting their questions answered. Just imagine what would happen if they tried to get President Trump to answer their questions. He'd laugh in their faces and tell them to come back when they've lost weight and put on more makeup. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!
th, I never posted any lovespam about Willie R. I pointed out that his hero story was impossible and fraudulent and that he stole his glory from the dead--specifically from Pablo Ortiz, whose story Willie appropriated for himself.
Michael Moore's evidence for 100 surveillance cameras around the Pentagon is, as his statement makes clear, his own direct observation. If you wish to dispute it you are free to travel to Arlington and count them for yourself. Do you doubt that there are 100 surveillance cameras around the Pentagon? On what basis?
Ianinny, your Mets tickets indicate that you haven't a clue how much your wife resents their cost. Baseball is dying. Who wants to watch a bunch of men in their pajamas standing around scratching their crotches waiting for something to happen?
The original post was about ancient history such as the security procedures at the World Trade Center. You may have forgotten all about 9/11 because of your preoccupation with the fashion scene, but not all of us have.
Where do you get your idea that President Trump would laugh at the widows? I bet you're one of those clowns who opens the newspaper to the sports section and throws the rest away.
So we have to take his word for it...
well, that indeed is not enough Brian.
You believe Moore walked around the pentagon counting the camera's?
Unlike some people around here I have no need to wallow in minutiae to try to pretend that I have a point.
Unlike some people around here I have no need to wallow in minutiae to try to pretend that I have a point.
It's good that you admit that you don't have a point.
Anyway, it's hilarious that a member of a conspiracy cult that has about 7 members left says "baseball is dying" while, homosexual pervert that he is, describing it as men in pajamas.
The original post was about ancient history such as the security procedures at the World Trade Center.
Yes, Brian, this is ancient history, given that the only thing you have is a bunch of almost 14-year-old newspaper articles about some nobody. You'll also inevitably counter my claim that the truth movement is dead with 10-year-old polls and a follow-up evidence-free assertion that the truth movement is much larger now.
The truth movement is dead. You're a failed janitor who lives with his parents. You lose again, Brian.
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