Wednesday, July 05, 2006

Morgan Reynolds, Another "Scholar" for Truth

Here's his web page on 9-11, which is a treasure trove of 9-11 nuttery. Reynolds is off the deep end in conspiracy theory never never land; he buys into the possibility of no planes at all:

Some readers might object that critical examination of the official airplane stories is silly because everybody saw a plane hit the WTC south tower that morning. But that was only one of four events and seeing is not believing in a world of special effects. Something fantastic shown on TV is not the end of a criminal investigation but the beginning. Any important proposition delivered by the media must be established by evidence independent of their sleight-of-hand. They have been repeatedly exposed as liars, usually on behalf of the social apparatus of compulsion they must appease daily to continue their high-revenue businesses over the public airwaves. The media are not so much “embedded” with the U.S. government and military as “in bed” with them. Even if you reject this “echo chamber” view, there is no doubt that the technology exists to insert prepared images into pixels in real time and make the images prepared in advance look (mostly) real. The first-down stripe inserted in NFL telecasts is an example. Some analysts argue that the WTC crashes were little more than Tuesday-morning cartoons. Whether or not such a conclusion is warranted, any proposed theory of what happened must be consistent with physical evidence and conform to the principles of physics, the official conspiracy theory included. We should put aside preconceptions based on pixels and evaluate the physical evidence anew.


This is the sort of stuff that even Dylan Avery considers nutty.

I noticed one other thing I'll hit on now. Reynolds notes:

In a violent encounter between an aluminum plane weighing nearly 140 tons and a steel tower weighing 500,000 tons, the plane, of course, would be crushed. Aluminum has lower yield and failure strengths than steel and a Boeing 767 mass was a minuscule—to use Hoffman’s term—three hundredths of one percent of each tower’s mass. "The impact did nothing," as UC Berkeley structural engineer A. Astaneh-Asl said, "the airplane did not do much damage."


First of all, it should be obvious that the relative weights of the buildings and the planes have very little to do with what happened. The planes did not collide with the entire buildings, they collided with 3-4 stories of those buildings.

But second, here's a Scholar for 9-11 Truth citing a structural engineer! Could it be that we've finally found the Truther with the background to comment with authority that the buildings could not have come down the way the official story tells us?

Uh, no. If you go to the article that Reynolds links, it's pretty obvious that UC Berkeley structural engineer A. Astaneh-Asl believes in the official story:

A structural engineer examining the twisted bones of the World Trade Center said Friday he has tentatively concluded the towers collapsed because of intense fires fanned by jet fuel.

The interior steel remained supportive after the crash, only buckling when the fire exceeded 1,000 degrees, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl said.

“The impact did nothing,” Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl said, pointing to a massive interior column from the south tower that he believes remained standing even after three-quarters of it was sliced away by a jet part.

He expects that research will examine whether a tougher skin for future skyscrapers might be useful in deterring similar assaults. A steel-concrete composite exterior, for example, might crumple a plane and keep more fuel outside, he suggested.

“This building could not fight. It was just innocently standing there and somebody shot it,” said Astaneh-Asl, a professor of structural engineering at University of California-Berkeley.

Pieces of one of the planes — the largest the size of a business envelope — were found imbedded in steel facade columns of one tower on the opposite side from where they entered, Astaneh-Asl said.


Reading the article, it's pretty clear that this was written in the first few weeks after the attacks. I don't know if Astaneh-Asl has changed his mind about the damage done by the planes themselves. But it's quite clear that he's not in the camp of the controlled demolitionists, let alone the nutty no-planers like Morgan Reynolds.

38 Comments:

At 05 July, 2006 22:22, Blogger James B. said...

Just to add to this. They are always trying to portray Reynolds as a Bush insider, because he worked in the Labor department. It is a bit of an exaggeration. He was an academic assistant to Labor Secretary Elaine Chao for all of 16 months. He primarily helped compile the monthly statistical reports such as the unemployment rate. He had a grand total of two people working for him

 
At 05 July, 2006 23:32, Blogger apathoid said...

In a violent encounter between an aluminum plane weighing nearly 140 tons and a steel tower weighing 500,000 tons, the plane, of course, would be crushed. Aluminum has lower yield and failure strengths than steel and a Boeing 767 mass was a minuscule—to use Hoffman’s term—three hundredths of one percent of each tower’s mass.

Maybe I should send this fella some birdstrike photos of an AA 767 that hit a flock of double-crested cormorants at 12,000 feet and 400 mph.
According to Reynolds, the much smaller/softer birds should've just been crushed by the much harder 767 airframe. That was not the case. In one instance, a bird went clean through the fiberglass radome continued through the forward pressure bulkhead(.120 aluminum) and into the cockpit.

How is this possible? The physics is the same whether or not its the bird or the plane thats doing 400 mph. The soft hollow bones and feathers should've been no match for the pressurized aluminum hull......perhaps they were CGI birds and explosive charges created the holes?

 
At 05 July, 2006 23:55, Blogger Unknown said...

James,

As much as you and I disagree, I have to express my compliments on your work ethic. I'm kind of amazed that you've gone to the trouble that you have in transcribing audio, etc.

If I had the same work ethic on as you on this, I would do a long write-up on why the "no planers" (or perhaps it would be more clear in my opinion to say "not the specific alleged passenger airliners crashing") are describing the truth.

I understand this idea of doubting the existence of the planes appears so far out of the bounds of reality, this most of you here just write it off as desperation and delusion of those of us who can't just accept the official story.

For what it's worth it was probably last last year (2005) before I wanted to even begin to go this direction with the WTC. Before that, I also want to say that it took 2 years of review before I would begin to doubt the Pentagon airliner crash.

For those of you who simply roll your eyes, I honestly respect where you are coming from. The only way that you are going to understand why otherwise sane individuals could believe such a thing as this theory is by looking at the video evidence, including stills extracted.

The number of "videos" of the "2nd hit" that claim to be authentic are up into the high 20's, maybe 29?

Originally Nico Haupt claimed that all live TV of the 2nd hit was based on a CNN feed, but he has since updated that to say there was a FOX News feed from a 2nd vantage point.

For most of us (who believe this theory), it's actually the Naudet Bros video of the 1st hit that provides the foundation of the belief that the video of the "planes" and the "crash" into the WTC is a "cartoon" or manipulation of some sort.

With respect to both WTC hits, I acknownledge that many people heard and saw something like a plane. I respect that some eyewitness accounts provided fairly precise details that match the alleged flights. I don't have an explanation for this.

Of all the details of 9/11 that I like to discuss, the "no-plane" stuff is one which is almost useless to discuss on a blog like this with comments like this. The nature of the evidence is visual (video) and demands a large degree of immersion into the topic.

For anyone interested in really understanding the details and associated arugments, I suggest Nico's blog

 
At 05 July, 2006 23:56, Blogger default.xbe said...

yeah, i live in tornado country, ive seen teh whole 2x4 through a steel girder thing firsthand

 
At 06 July, 2006 00:27, Blogger apathoid said...

With respect to both WTC hits, I acknownledge that many people heard and saw something like a plane. I respect that some eyewitness accounts provided fairly precise details that match the alleged flights. I don't have an explanation for this.

bg, first off it was many thousands of people who saw the second plane hit with their own two eyes. Not just many, many thousands. If you cant even come up with a hypothetical scenario to explain why they saw a plane, why do you even support this theory?

Look at it this way. If YOU were in charge of the WTC attack planning and your goal was to make it look like an aircraft attack, how would you do it?
- use airplanes ?
- use fakery that looks like airplanes?

 
At 06 July, 2006 05:44, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Holy...shit. He is comparing the footage of the planes(which of course were all seen by thousands of eyewitnesses as has already been pointed out), to the FIRST DOWN LINE ON NFL FOOTBALL? This man is a SCHOLAR? Someone should be able to strip him of his degree. I don't care what his degree is in- he needs to lose it NOW!

 
At 06 July, 2006 06:23, Blogger Unknown said...

apathoid,

With respect to the first hit, I would challenge you or anybody to find more than 20 published accounts from people who claim to have seen it clearly. And among those whose accounts been recorded, there seems to be more whose description conflicts with Flight 11 than those whose descriptions match.

CNN still has a working video link that shows the Naudet video here:

First plane hits World Trade Center

Notice how little of the plane we get to see and what limited clarity there is.

 
At 06 July, 2006 06:24, Blogger undense said...

Did you know that computers aren't real? They are government generated holograms and illusions that make us BELIEVE we all talking to each other in, quote-unquote, "cyberspace." I'll give you the primer on the theory. See, it's easy to do because atoms are mostly empty space. The actual particles are an almost insignificant portion of the total space consumed by an atom. Therefore, since they are so tiny, it's really nothing to create those particles in accelerators and produce fake atoms. It's very similar to the Holodeck on Star Trek. In fact, when I first saw a holodeck on Star Trek and then Roddenberry died, I was like, you know, "WOAH!" Someone should look into that incident. Sounds fishy.

Anyway, back to the truth. If you bother to invest the time in years of diligent research, as I obviously have, you will discover this for yourselves. Just do some Googling and the truth will become self-evident. There's a person that calls themself Luna C. who spells it all out on their website. Check it out. We are all participating in an insidious government plan to distract us from the real truth that computers and the internet don't actually exist.

 
At 06 July, 2006 06:34, Blogger Manny said...

I don't know if Astaneh-Asl has changed his mind about the damage done by the planes themselves."

He hasn't, but his conclusions are not radically different from those reached by NIST. To wit: The impact of the airliners themselves was insufficient to bring down the towers AND the fires themselves were also insufficient to bring down the towers; but damage to the columns and floor trusses and (more importantly) to the fireproofing around the surviving columns and trusses which resulted from the impacts allowed the fires to do more damage than they would have otherwise and that combination brought down the buildings. One of his papers is here, from his website, here. The differences he has with NIST are, as you supposed, scientific and technical in nature and are part of an ongoing discussion about skyscraper protection. HE is an example of a guy who really is "just asking questions" -- smart questions, informed questions, sensible questions. I have no doubt whatsoever that if he's aware of it he is extremely pained to be misquoted by morons and terrorist supporters.

 
At 06 July, 2006 07:44, Blogger Manny said...

Oh, hey, I forgot to wonder: How did Astaneh "(point) to a massive interior column from the south tower that he believes remained standing even after three-quarters of it was sliced away by a jet part" or deduce that "(p)ieces of one of the planes — the largest the size of a business envelope — were found imbedded in steel facade columns of one tower on the opposite side from where they entered"? Wasn't all the steel spirited off by the conspirators?

 
At 06 July, 2006 07:56, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Did any of you guys consider that maybe we're all looking at this problem the wrong way?

 
At 06 July, 2006 08:03, Blogger Manny said...

You mean by debunking the morons and terrorist supporters who proffer such ridiculousness rather than forcibly sterilizing them to prevent them from breeding? Actually yes, that exact thought occurred to me when reading BG's nonsense about the not-plane I didn't not see.

 
At 06 July, 2006 08:22, Blogger BoggleHead said...

Terrorist supporters? You mean Saudi Arabia?

 
At 06 July, 2006 08:29, Blogger Jujigatami said...

I respect that some eyewitness accounts provided fairly precise details that match the alleged flights. I don't have an explanation for this.

Here's the explanation:

We saw the planes hit. ACTUAL COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS! As I have said before, I personally saw this, and it was UNMISTAKABLE! No video, no CGI, actual planes.

That is what happened, commercial airliners hit the towers.

You are a stupid and crazy shithead.

That explains everything.

 
At 06 July, 2006 08:29, Blogger Unknown said...

A link to another Morgan Reynolds Article:

The Risk of Winning: What Happens Once the 9/11 Sewer Opens Wide?

 
At 06 July, 2006 08:30, Blogger Unknown said...

Jujigatami,

"
You are a stupid and crazy shithead."

That's it: you are off my Christmas Card list.

 
At 06 July, 2006 09:01, Blogger apathoid said...

CNN still has a working video link that shows the Naudet video here:

First plane hits World Trade Center

Notice how little of the plane we get to see and what limited clarity there is.


I could've sworn I saw a better resolution video of the North Tower hit than that one, but maybe not.
I do believe that the DVD they made has the clip in its full resolution, I cant imagine they'd have a movie camera that films in 240 X 180, so I'd say that particular video was compressed for dialup viewing....that said, you still havent given an explanation for everyone that saw UA175, which was most of Lower Manhatten. I'm not just talking about the impact, I'm talking about while it was still quite a few miles away.

I'd say easily a million people saw UA 175 at some time or another during its approach...

 
At 06 July, 2006 09:07, Blogger Pat said...

BG, there are many people who saw the first plane hit. My brother works in the old Pan Am building and told me that the traders on the upper floors saw the whole thing. And the second plane must have been seen live by something close to a million or more.

The "no-planes" theory is simply a reflection of the desperation by Truthers to maintain their conclusion in the face of a mountain of evidence that they are wrong. It solves one problem with the CT (how to get pilots to fly into buildings), but it creates a host of others (where are the passengers, what about the film/eyewitnesses).

It also strikes me as a perfect example of how conspiracy theories keep morphing and expanding, because let's face it, you have to keep it interesting in order to get media. But it's completely nutty.

 
At 06 July, 2006 09:56, Blogger Unknown said...

Pat,

I appreciate the civil way you state your opinion.

I respect that you represent the opinion of a huge number of people with your remarks.

However, you aren't really confronting the the evidence in general or the specific questions and issues. No discussion is complete without a detailed analysis of the Naudet Bros footage, the forms it has taken, and what versions show. No discussion is complete without specific details of accounts that are available from ground zero.

Pat, you are glossing over way too much.

 
At 06 July, 2006 10:01, Blogger Unknown said...

Great new MP3 (words by Steven E. Jones)

Web URL: www.denythepain.com

 
At 06 July, 2006 10:39, Blogger Chad said...

Great new MP3 (words by Steven E. Jones)

Thank you so much BG. Thank you for making me explain to my co-workers why I my face was red and tears were welling up in my eyes.

That is by far the funniest thing I've heard in a LOOOOONG time.

Please.... Convince the scholars to have that play every time you go to their website.

From the bridge:
I keep on cryin'
People... sheeple... PLEEEAASE


Pure. Effing. Poetry.

 
At 06 July, 2006 10:48, Blogger CHF said...

Wow....bg's a no-planer.

I guess that was the next logical step of his continued mental breakdown.

"The nature of the evidence is visual (video) and demands a large degree of immersion into the topic."

Sure bg, and you're a structural engineer AND an aviation expert to boot. If anyone's qualified to make observations it's definately you, isn't it?

By all means dude, lets hear your theory. PLEASE - broadcast your findings far and wide. Write letters to every newspaper in the world.

Hell, I've gotten almost 100 letters published in the last 5 years. I'll even give you some tips if it helps your view get out there.

The sooner this CT bullshit bites the dust the better. And you definately seem to be doing your part.

 
At 06 July, 2006 10:50, Blogger apathoid said...

bg,
You are the only one glossing over details here, not Pat. We've told you countless people saw the secong plane hit and many saw the first. Deal with it.

you aren't really confronting the the evidence in general or the specific questions and issues

What evidence? Give us your very best single piece of evidence that a plane didnt hit ether tower.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that anyone could actually delude themselves as badly as you have. Whats next, are you going to say the Towers are actually still standing, but the evil Bush admin cloaked them to decieve us, then took half of the insurance money and gave it to Halliburton to start drilling oil in Iraq? Where does it end?

 
At 06 July, 2006 11:03, Blogger Pat said...

BG, are you folks using Naudet video from the DVD, or from somebody's YouTube upload? And let's accept for grins that the North Tower wasn't hit by a plane. What about the South Tower? You can't deny that there are dozens of people who filmed it, hundreds who photographed it, and hundreds of thousands who saw it live, and tens of millions who saw it live on TV.

 
At 06 July, 2006 11:12, Blogger James B. said...

You know, this explains the Superbowl last year. Just because 60,000 people saw the game live, and millions of people watched on television doesn't mean the game actually was real. It was faked. The Seahawks really won! Prove otherwise.

signed,

a desperate Seahawk fan in Seattle

 
At 06 July, 2006 11:41, Blogger undense said...

james b.

Shhhh! Remember Roethlisberger?

There was no motorcycle accident. As a brave whistleblower with a conscience, he was about to spill the beans when the NFL-SS caught up to him first, knocked all his teeth out, and promised to do worse if he told the truth. The motorcycle stuff was staged and sold to the public by the complicit lapdog media.

Unfortunately you've already gone and made the knowledge public and now they'll be after you too. I would suggest you move to Cleveland and wear a Brown's helmet at all times. Nobody would suspect a Brown's fan could be smart enough to know the truth.

 
At 06 July, 2006 11:56, Blogger James B. said...

I would suggest you move to Cleveland and wear a Brown's helmet at all times. Nobody would suspect a Brown's fan could be smart enough to know the truth.


Hah, according to an article in the Baltimore Sun from 1996 the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, therefore they no longer exist. This is obviously part of the conspiracy too.

 
At 06 July, 2006 11:59, Blogger Pat said...

Ah, so James, you're a "no-Brownser"?

 
At 06 July, 2006 12:15, Blogger undense said...

Hah, according to an article in the Baltimore Sun from 1996 the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, therefore they no longer exist. This is obviously part of the conspiracy too.

Of course. That's why nobody would consider a Browns fan particularly smart.

C'mon dude. Like the NY Times, you're giving all the secrets away.

 
At 06 July, 2006 12:52, Blogger shawn said...

I sat in my history class (of all classes, huh?) that September morning and watched a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER CRASH INTO THE TOWER LIVE. I saw it with my own two fucking eyes.

 
At 06 July, 2006 14:17, Blogger CHF said...

c'mon shawn...think outside the box!

Who you gonna believe, your eyes or BG?

 
At 06 July, 2006 18:29, Blogger BoggleHead said...

The main problem I have with the official version of 9/11 is 28 redacted pages from the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Failures.

Whatever's in there obviously shows an embarrassing link directly from the Saudi government to the hijackers.

Is this the only known support network in the United States for the hijackers?

 
At 07 July, 2006 02:14, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I have a theory about the no-plane theory. I think CTs basically are trying to use some kind of bombardment tactic where they basically toss a massive amount of crap at the audience knowing that some of it will stick, and the nuttier theories will just further confuse things. It seems to be working so far.

 
At 07 July, 2006 11:02, Blogger CHF said...

JPSlovjanski,

all CTers do is toss crap against the wall. They can't even put together a chronology that they all agree on!

They don't even care if their points contradict themselves.

I've met CTers who first claim the USAF "stood down" and then claim that Flight 93 was shot down!

 
At 10 July, 2006 01:36, Blogger mcar abasa said...

acbnews.go.com/US/story?id=92525&page=1

How do you explain what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7?

 
At 10 July, 2006 01:36, Blogger mcar abasa said...

acbnews.go.com/US/story?id=92525&page=1

How do you explain what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7?

 
At 10 July, 2006 01:37, Blogger mcar abasa said...

acbnews.go.com/US/story?id=92525&page=1

How do you explain what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7?

 
At 10 July, 2006 01:37, Blogger mcar abasa said...

acbnews.go.com/US/story?id=92525&page=1

How do you explain what happened to WTC 1, 2 and 7?

 

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