Tuesday, March 06, 2007

9/11 Deniers Attending Conference Sponsored by Extremist Anti-Semitic Groups

I posted earlier on the conspiracy theory conference that Dylan Avery announced he is attending this weekend, in the wake of cancelling from the 9/11 Accountability Conference because of the presence of one or more Holocaust deniers. In addition other 9/11 denial notables such as Kevin Barrett, Steven Jones, and Webster Tarpley are listed as speakers. I mentioned at the time that the conference was sponsored by a rather interesting group called the Freedom Law School, which seems to be dedicated to avoiding income taxes. I am afraid I underestimated just how extreme they are.

Upon further research it appears they are not just some fringe group, like a bunch of tax accountants on steroids, they are even on a list of "active patriot groups" compiled by the civil rights organization, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

The SPLC has even done news reports on their previous conferences. Let's just say they have some interesting friends:

IRVINE, Calif. -- Peymon Mottahedeh adjusted the knot of his Statue of Liberty tie and smiled broadly as he surveyed the cacophonous conference room inside the Atrium Hotel. More than 200 attendees swarmed vendors' tables as they waited for the seventh annual "Health and Freedom" tax-protesters conference to begin last March. Peymon -- who is known in tax-protest circles by his first name only, like Madonna or Prince -- had good reason to smile. At $50 a head, "Health and Freedom" in 2006 represented another substantial payday for the organizer and emcee of the annual gathering of tax protesters, which in recent years has attracted a variety of extremist speakers including Hutton Gibson, actor Mel Gibson's father, and Holocaust denier Willis Carto, founder of the Institute for Historical Review.

Slick brochures for this year's conference promised to show attendees how to "Wipe the IRS off of Americans' lives!" and provide answers to burning questions like "Is the One-World Government Coming?" and "Are The FBI & CIA Harming Americans?"

Ahh, the usual mix of Holocaust deniers and anti-NWO paranoids. The neo-Nazis at the American Free Press appear to be quite well represented, from the same source:

The real action of the weekend took place during breaks between speakers, when eager crowds formed at nearly every vendor's table, transforming the conference into a virtual swap meet of extremist and conspiracy-theory wares. Willis Carto's American Free Press needed two display tables for its revisionist history books and back copies of the Holocaust-denial magazine Barnes Review, another Carto creation. Both tables were nearly emptied by Sunday afternoon.

This association with the AFP, which we have discussed plenty of times before, is obviously continuing, as who is one of their speakers this year?


Mark Anderson
Reporter with the American Free Press, the largest independent weekly paper in America will share the major News/Events of the Year that the Major Media did not tell you! /www.americanfreepress.net

In fact, on the brochure advertising this conference, the AFP is listed as a co-sponsor.

The connection between the Freedom Law Center and Holocaust deniers is more than just incidental, last year the head of the organization, Peymon Mottahedeh, spoke at a conference year which was co-sponsored by none other than the American Free Press and the Barnes Review, the Holocaust denying publication which, as you may recall, published an article saying that Hitler should have won a Nobel Peace Prize.

The SPLC is not the only civil rights group that considers them extremists, this very event is on a list of extremist events compiled by the Anti-Defamation League:

Friday, March 09, 2007 - Sunday, March 11, 2007
Irvine, California
"2007 Justice and Freedom Conference"
Conference focusing on government conspiracies, sponsored by the Freedom Law School, a tax protest group
So Dylan, are you going to stand by your previous policy of not associating with Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites, or is the pay too good for this event?

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At 06 March, 2007 21:00, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like hey man, I mean like oy vey!

At 06 March, 2007 22:38, Blogger MarkyX said...

It seems everywhere the 9/11 Deniers turn, they are always in company with Holocaust Deniers.

At 07 March, 2007 00:42, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

Steady there, guys - I'm sure Jenny'll be along in the minute to remind us that a random Holocaust-denying poster once stopped off here and was deleted within a day or two, and that in her tiny little mind this is completely equivalent to being a member of a movement where Holocaust-denial publications are routinely cited as sources, where people attend conferences alongside Holocaust deniers, where Holocaust deniers are held up as celebrities and where every single member is either a Holocaust denier or one degree of separation away from a Holocaust denier.

At 07 March, 2007 02:59, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Be on the lookout for American Revolution themed anti-semitic sock puppets. =P

At 07 March, 2007 03:20, Blogger What Would Grape Ape Do? said...

The surprise-o-meter registers zero.

At 07 March, 2007 05:08, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Still driving those Ford and VW motor vehicles?

At 07 March, 2007 05:10, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Still driving those Mazdas, Chrysler-Daimler vehicles?

Suppose that makes you an anti-semite, Jew killer, Baton March loving people as well.

At 07 March, 2007 05:43, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

Swing Dangler said...
Still driving those Ford and VW motor vehicles?

Isn’t that like saying you for Japanese imperialism because you drive a Mitsubishi?

They did build the Zero airplane.

And this "Rational" observation from a guy who believes in chemtrails and Roswell.

At 07 March, 2007 05:59, Blogger texasjack said...

If Henry Ford decides to participate in a car show any time soon, I'll be sure not to go. Since he has been dead for 60 years, I don't think I have anything to worry about.

At 07 March, 2007 06:14, Blogger Manny said...

So Dylan, are you going to stand by your previous policy of not associating with Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites, or is the pay too good for this event?

Only now that he's been caught (again). He has no personal reservations about these people, but he's aware of the potential negative effect on his bank account and he cares very deeply about that.

At 07 March, 2007 08:22, Blogger James B. said...

Suppose that makes you an anti-semite, Jew killer, Baton March loving people as well.

What exactly is Baton March? Is that like one of those high school marching bands?

At 07 March, 2007 13:08, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Still driving those Ford and VW motor vehicles?

Your being even more ignorant than usual Sieg Hieler.

The B-24 Liberator was manufactured in greater numbers than any other bomber of WW2 (including the legendary B-17) and formed the bulk of the USAAF's heavy bomber forces in both pacific and european theatres as well as serving in large numbers with the Royal Air Force.

In 1942, less than a year after Pearl Harbor, Ford motor company opened the largest factory complex outside the USSR and started churning out B-24's.

For the duration of World War 2, Ford Motor Company abandoned the civilian market, focusing instead on the objective of burying the Nazi and Japanese empires in American steel.

The last thing thousands of Nazis saw before passing into hell was a tank or plane built by Ford motors and you ask if any of us drive one?

The correct answer is "with pride".

At 07 March, 2007 13:33, Blogger James B. said...

I am reminded of that line from the HBO series Band of Brothers, courtesy of IMDB.

Hey, you! That's right, you stupid Kraut bastards. That's right. Say hello to Ford, and General f****n' Motors. You stupid fascist pigs. Look at you. You have horses. What were you thinking? Dragging our asses half way around the world, interrupting our lives. For what, you ignorant, servile scum. What the f*** are we doing here?

At 07 March, 2007 14:28, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Story of the Ford Willow Run Bomber Plant.

Willow Run produced 8,685 B-24's before it closed in 1945. When the final plane, christened the Henry Ford, rolled off the line, he let it be known that he wanted the plane named after the workers who had built it. The name of Henry Ford was erased from the plane and the workers autographed the nose.

Willow Run was but one plant of one company. General Motors and Chrysler also did their part. Former automobile plants built everything from tanks to bombs to guns.

At 07 March, 2007 15:39, Blogger Mark Roberts said...

Geez, I wonder what caused the cancellation of the $25-a-head screening of LC2ER at the predominantly Jewish 92nd Street Y in New York? Did the Jews find out who these guys associate with, did the Loosers realize that they'd be talking to a bunch of Jews, or did they fail to sell a single ticket?

At 07 March, 2007 19:32, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Guilt by association is the premise, correct?

Was Ford guilty of being an anti-semite?

Was Hitler an anti-semite?

Does that make you an anti-semite for driving a Ford?

Same line of logic applies to the tired truther-denier logic link.

I pointed this out the last time you tried to do this, and lo and hehold it was a good point. I believe it was the child, Shawn, that pointed out it was a good poin. Not the best as he could do better.

Such short memories...

At 07 March, 2007 23:49, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Why are you trying to accuse us of unfairly painting all truthers as anti-semites when you, yourself are a raging anti-semite?

You posting here gives us plenty of ammo in that regard.

At 08 March, 2007 00:33, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

The thing you're deliberately ignoring, Swing, is that driving a car does not involve sympathizing with the politics of the manufacturers. You can, if you want, refuse to use products which you know have been produced by someone whose ideology you dislike, but continuing to drive a Volkswagen is in no way synonymous with actually citing and agreeing with the opinions of Holocaust deniers.

The 9/11 Denial movement isn't just 'loosely connected' to Holocaust deniers - it promotes, venerates, gives credit to, sells the work of and endorses them. I know you're being deliberately stubborn on this issue because you know you're wrong, but any sane person would agree that the 9/11 Denial movement has much, much closer links to Holocaust denial than some random guy in the street who drives a Ford Focus.

Was Hitler an anti-semite?

I'm sure you think he was just a misunderstood "anti-Zionist", Leuchter-boy.

At 08 March, 2007 10:30, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Sword of Lie
Please link proving that I'm an anti-semite.
Or are you using another JREF tactic?
Really and truly pathetic.

Bruno Read the last line of the post on this blogs story entry.
Guilt by association.

Now watch closely:
Ford is an AntiSemite.
If you a drive Ford automobile you are an antisemite
Associate with Ford you are an antisemite.

Willams is an antisemite.
If you read his book, you are an antisemite.
If you associate with Williams, you are an anti-semite.

Both logical fallacies, but one is used to discredit 9/11 truthers. The other I use to discredit anyone driving a Ford to prove the fallacy of debunkers trying to associate and link holocaust beliefs with 9/11 truth.

BOTH FAIL! That is why it is a tired and sick approach at trying to discred the 9/11 truth.

Do us a favor, go find the answers to James questions surrouding the FAA and NORAD.
Maybe you should try to find out what Cheney's order was?
Or maybe work on why all the warnings were ignored?

Ahh nevermind, you don't care.

At 08 March, 2007 10:59, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

You've missed my point completely, Swing - driving a car is not an inherently political act, but reading a political book is. Surely you can acknowledge this? I also think this is deeply disingenuous:

Willams is an antisemite.
If you read his book, you are an antisemite.
If you associate with Williams, you are an anti-semite.

And what about agreeing with Williams? Or holding him up as reliable and insightful? Or defending him against charges that he's an anti-Semite? Or citing his work in your publications? These things may not make someone an anti-Semite per se, but they do show that the person in question has a remarkably fucked moral compass.

Or, to put it another way, driving a Ford doesn't make you an anti-Semite, but saying Henry Ford was a great man whose politics you entirely agree with probably does. The Truthers' stance towards people like Williams and Hufschmidt is much, much closer to the latter than the former.

At 08 March, 2007 12:43, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

And what about agreeing with Williams? Or holding him up as reliable and insightful? Or defending him against charges that he's an anti-Semite? Or citing his work in your publications?

None of the above. You have to seperate the two issues completely.
Again, I don't support anti-semitism or holocaust denial.

Hypothetically speaking,
but because I read a book that does, because I associate with a person who does, that makes me anti-semite? Of course not. The same could be applied to any different controversial positions held by 2 different people.
But debunkers still try to promote such nonsense.

The thing you're deliberately ignoring, Swing, is that driving a car does not involve sympathizing with the politics of the manufacturers.

So according to you, reading a book involves sympathizing with the politics of the author?
I'm suprise you wrote that because you know that is a trap in your premise.

How can you justify studying history based upon that statement?
An example: My goal is to write a biography of Hitler. I read Mein Kamp to gain an insight into his believe system but according to you, I'm a supporter of Hitler?? Make sure you inform anyone who has ever written a biography on the worst person in history what they now sympathize with.

That makes anyone who reads 9/11 truth stuff a sympathizer of the 9/11 truth movement!
Bad logic brother, plain and simple.

What does Willams or Huffs research into the Holocaust have to do with their research on 9/11?
Nothing what so ever. Can one book be discredited and another one stand up to scruitny? Of course.

For example, any work on Vietnam that places the start of that war on the shoulders of the North Vietnamese has now been discredited
due to declassified documents. Does that mean that all the other books by the same authors, professors, publishing companies are now discredited of course not.

That is the nature of history and its impact on written works.

Now here is where you will be correct: when the person begins to link the ethnic group of Jews with the event of 9/11. It is ok to be an Anti-Zionist and be Jew. They exist. But if a truther tries to link ethnic groups with 9/11 instead of the nationality, that is where the arguement ends, and I agree with you. Some link Israelis with the events of 9/11. If they find a basis to do that, fine. If they link Jews to 9/11, that of course is not fine. Based upon your writings, I would say you are smart enough to recognize that.

Anti-semite does not equate to anti-zionist. It is that simple. But look at what some of those who post on here attempt to do...that exact same thing. Disagreeing with state policy is not the same as racism. Pure and simple. If I disagree with Canada's state policies, I'm anti-Canadian?? I love Canada!

What truthers do in this case is say ok, the guy believes this and publishes this book. Fine his perogative, I don't believe it. Well ok he publishes a book on 9/11 and after reviewing the evidence and facts, I can believe it.
Two seperate issues. It truly makes so called debunkers really appear ignorant when they carry on such blantant fallicious arguements.

These things may not make someone an anti-Semite per se, but they do show that the person in question has a remarkably fucked moral compass.

Yeah, kind of like people who voted for Bush the second time. Yeah kind of like people who support Bush's policies. Yeah kind of like people who believe gravity was the only force at work on 9/11. Yeah, kind of like people that believe the Feds can do no wrong. I do agree with you there, a incredibly fucked moral compass.

Find the truth, Bruno. It is staring you in the face.

At 08 March, 2007 12:50, Blogger James B. said...

You are confusing reading a book, with taking money from someone or attending events that they put on. I got my degree in Russian Studies, so I obviously read a lot of communist literature that I did not agree with. That is academics.

That is completely different then if, for example, I spoke as a paid lecturer at a conference sponsored by "Stalinists for the Advancement of North Korean Atomic Weapons". The fact that I took money from them, and spoke at their conference, is a tacit acceptance, if not outright endorsement of their views.

At 08 March, 2007 13:35, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

So according to you, reading a book involves sympathizing with the politics of the author?

This is a fair point based on my original wording - it does leave that loophole. Based on what we're actually discussing, though, it's completely irrelevant because most of the 9/11 Deniers read and support people like Williams - by allowing him to participate in his events, quoting him as an authority on various matters and excusing his flagrant anti-Semitism.

I'm amused that, in your penultimate paragraph, you automatically assume I'm a Bush voter despite me having placed myself on the left of the political spectrum a few times here. But even if you hadn't read those comments of mine - and perhaps you haven't, that's fair enough - it's back to that assumption that the only reason why anyone would back the official story of 9/11 is because they love Bush, rather than because they have independent reasoning abilities and have come to a different conclusion than you.

Conspiracy theorists always do this. If you disagree with them, you're a brainwashed dimwit government-loving sheep. If you agree with them completely on every issue, congratulations! You're an independent and original thinker. Then they wonder why people get annoyed with them.

"Find the truth"? Please. You think driving a particular make of car is morally equivalent to allowing a Holocaust denier to sell his books at your conference. Who are you to tell anyone about truth?

At 08 March, 2007 23:21, Blogger Alex said...

If the Ford Taurus were manufactured in a concentration camp, you might have a point. As it is, you're just blowing smoke.

At 05 April, 2007 14:35, Blogger ronbarlean said...

I attended this conference, and I live in Nooksack Washington. If anyone has any specific questions, I am willing to give the information I have.


At 24 April, 2007 13:08, Blogger ronbarlean said...

I saw loose change and my jaw hit the desk. I realized I had been duped by the official story. Help me out here - the 'screw loose change' site is for or against the message of loose change?

Ron Barlean

At 08 June, 2008 02:29, Blogger Ampers said...

A lot of people here bandy the words, anti-semitic. This can also, quite correctly be written as anti-shemitic.

The Semitic races include not only Jews and Arabs, but also some related races.

So if you hate arabs you are anti-semitic as well.



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