Friday, March 16, 2007

Rosie Loses It

I've never liked this gal (brassy is not my style), but this takes the cake. Rosie spends most of the time claiming KSM was tortured (on a daily basis), makes a joke out of him being involved in incidents in which we know he was involved by claiming he was involved in the murder of OJ's wife and JFK. She puts air quotes around "terrorists" and moans that we've robbed KSM of his humanity.

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At 16 March, 2007 09:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...makes a joke out of him being involved in incidents in which we know he was involved by claiming he was involved in the murder of OJ's wife and JFK. She puts air quotes around "terrorists""

Yes, I agree, this mainstream media disinformation is quite irritating. perhaps we should debunk people like her.

 
At 16 March, 2007 09:41, Blogger ScottSl said...

Someone tell Rosie he admitted to 9/11 before his capture years ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,906911,00.html

 
At 16 March, 2007 11:50, Blogger 911coverup said...

Can you explain to me why the jounralist interviewing KSM was blindfolded?

 
At 16 March, 2007 11:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

March 16, 2007
ny911-UrantiaNSA Gate heating up: Jamieson compared with Stalin
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=3037
http://www.911researchers.com/node/299

 
At 16 March, 2007 12:52, Blogger ScottSl said...

Uh... guessing...so he doesn't know his location or can ID all his buddies.

 
At 16 March, 2007 13:14, Blogger troy said...

Far left ant-American nut

 
At 16 March, 2007 13:54, Blogger CHF said...

I must say I'm glad the twoofers have idiots like Rosie and Charlie Sheen as celebrity spokespeople.

It says a lot about the level of intelligence needed to join that "movement."

 
At 16 March, 2007 14:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, and the atheist government conspiracy theorists have sexual predator Bill O'Reilley. See that poor woman's affidavit.

 
At 16 March, 2007 14:37, Blogger shawn said...

http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/03/15/wtc-7/

Even worse.

 
At 16 March, 2007 14:39, Blogger CHF said...

It's sad to see successful people destroying themselves so willingly.

Congrates, Rosie: from now on you'll be known as a complete nut.

 
At 16 March, 2007 15:29, Blogger shawn said...

I don't know what's worse, the fact she wrote a post repeating incorrect claims about WTC7 (she copied and pasted the "facts" portion), that she thinks Google is a better source than the world's structural engineers, or that she writes like a 10 year old girl.

Is it really that hard to use capital letters and punctuation marks?

 
At 16 March, 2007 17:52, Blogger Manny said...

http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/03/15/wtc-7/

Now this is very interesting. Finally someone with some actual, well, money has libeled Larry Silverstein. I hope lawsuitlarity ensues.

 
At 16 March, 2007 20:11, Blogger pomeroo said...

When I interviewed Les Jamieson on 'Hardfire,' I was sharply criticized for providing a platform for fringe lunatics. I pointed out that the Nazis started out as beer-hall brawlers. Bush Derangement Syndrome allows the conspiracy liars' pernicious fantasies to seep into the mainstream. Sane people should wake up to the danger. The liars are a lynch mob.

 
At 16 March, 2007 21:50, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

tempestuous, that is 2 posts without you mentioning the word "atheist". Wad up wit dat?

TAM:)

 
At 17 March, 2007 04:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that debunking is a cultural phenomena, infested with atheists. In the process of cultural debunking, these atheists have lost all interest in seeking the truth about any matter whatsoever. It is the process of debunking anything (whether the result is truth, deception, or entertainment) that serves as the high for these humanists. They should be intellectually routed when possible, exposed when confirmed, named when necessary, and issued subpoenas when applicable.

 
At 17 March, 2007 05:44, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

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At 17 March, 2007 05:53, Blogger Der Bruno Stroszek said...

tempestuous, I would love to see you launch court proceedings against someone. I imagine you'd start off by accusing everyone from George W Bush to Barney the Dinosaur of being an evil atheist extremist, then openly wetting yourself under cross-examination.

 
At 17 March, 2007 06:13, Blogger texasjack said...

I think tempestuous is disinfo, either that or he/she is seeing a whole team of psychiatrists.

 
At 17 March, 2007 06:29, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"Yea, and the atheist government conspiracy theorists have sexual predator Bill O'Reilley. See that poor woman's affidavit."

Bill O'Reilley is an Atheist!!!! who molested Rosie? When did this happen? And why would Bill lower his standards in women so much?

 
At 17 March, 2007 06:40, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"I understand that debunking is a cultural phenomena, infested with atheists."

No, Beliving in bullshit is a common human weakness, debunking is just a reaction by people smarter then you (us atheist).

In the process of cultural debunking, these atheists have lost all interest in seeking the truth about any matter whatsoever. It is the process of debunking anything (whether the result is truth, deception, or entertainment) that serves as the high for these humanists.

Ah. yes us nasty "Humanist". Us who respect humans over the delusion of god and all that other comforting fantasy world of crystals, pyramids, aliens and 911truth.

They should be intellectually routed when possible, exposed when confirmed, named when necessary, and issued subpoenas when applicable.

BURN THE HERETICS!!!!

Yep, you are so enlightened.

 
At 17 March, 2007 08:25, Blogger shawn said...

In the process of cultural debunking

What the hell is cultural debunking? You can't debunk cultures.

 
At 17 March, 2007 09:30, Blogger roger_sq said...

What the hell is cultural debunking? You can't debunk cultures.

If a culture holds a myth, then a culture can be debunked.

Anyway there is extensice torture involved in the extraction of these confessions, and they are as meaningless as those of Stalin's traitors in the gulags. Sad we have adopted the same sense of 'justice' and you are al so blindly taken in by it.

 
At 17 March, 2007 10:53, Blogger texasjack said...

"If a culture holds a myth, then a culture can be debunked."

What cultural myth would that be Roger? Please provide a link to cultural myth debunking.

And what in the heck is extensice torture?

 
At 17 March, 2007 11:18, Blogger shawn said...

Anyway there is extensice torture involved in the extraction of these confessions, and they are as meaningless as those of Stalin's traitors in the gulags.

Why do you morons ignore that KSM admitted he masterminded 9/11 before any torture was involved?

The torture defense isn't retroactive.

 
At 17 March, 2007 12:34, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

The idea of torturing KSM it if it did happen was not to get him to confess to planing 911, there was enough proof for that already.

But to see if he knew of any upcoming plans and to get info on the location of other terrorist.

 
At 17 March, 2007 13:06, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

Looks like the "Ask Rosie" feature of her site is down!

Gee wonder why?

 
At 17 March, 2007 13:23, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

And why Barbara Walters head does not start spinning the Rosie engages in her mindless babbling is beyond me, didn't she use to be a REAL reporter?

 
At 17 March, 2007 14:07, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I've got a feeling this latest stunt may get her in a lot of hot water with Barbara, who is friends with many politicians, REPs and DEMs. It is one thing to call for an impeechment, but she is crossing the line, and I am sure she will be told to cool it.

TAM:)

 
At 17 March, 2007 14:39, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

I should also point out that he wasn't tortured for these confessions. He specifically alleges that he was tortured by the CIA, but denies (repeatedly) that anything he said during his tribunal or written statement was said under duress, and says nothing about being tortured by the military.

 
At 18 March, 2007 06:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

911truthiness said: No, Beliving in bullshit is a common human weakness, debunking is just a reaction by people smarter then you (us atheist).

Ah, yet even another atheist debunker.

There are atheists in Atheist Agenda who are working to lift the stigma of atheism as a whole and have a vision of using Atheist Agenda to accomplish this. Atheist Agenda is also a great atheist networking group. A new atheist is exposed to representatives from the spectrum of atheism in this group. From the type of atheist you seem to know so well such as the "shaggy atheist"

 
At 18 March, 2007 09:31, Blogger Unknown said...

Yes because we all know that fundamentalist religious zealots are morally sound without a single fault.

 
At 18 March, 2007 10:02, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Rosie is my new favorite Lesbian, anyway.

 
At 18 March, 2007 10:21, Blogger Cl1mh4224rd said...

tempestuous said: "There are atheists in Atheist Agenda who are working to lift the stigma of atheism as a whole and have a vision of using Atheist Agenda to accomplish this. Atheist Agenda is also a great atheist networking group. A new atheist is exposed to representatives from the spectrum of atheism in this group. From the type of atheist you seem to know so well such as the "shaggy atheist""

The atheist-to-other-words ratio in this paragraph exceeds healthy limits.

 
At 18 March, 2007 11:19, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

1. Bad link scotts, can you repost?

2. Why not eliminate any issue with KSM and let him be independently questioned by a lie detector specialist in full public view?

3. Why not put him on trial as they did Moussaoui?


Further questions for KSM:

1. As part of your planning from "A to Z" how did you get all those flights unintercepted?

2. How did you manage to get explosive devices into the WTC subbasements?

3.How were you able to get the wrong tower to fall first on 9/11?

4.Were you able to influence the intelligence complex to ignore all of the warnings surrounding your hijackers using planes as weapons?

5. As part of your planning, KSM, who informed you that the Air Force would be participating in a number of wargames and live hijacking drills so as to confuse the responses of NORAD and the FAA?

6.KSM, how did you manage to curtail FBI ground level agents investigations into your activities?

7.KSM, as part of your planning from A to Z, how were you able to avoid ABLE DANGER'S tracking?

8. KSM, please describe the manner in which your operatives snuck knifes, guns, and possibly a bomb through airport security?

9. KSM, why did your hijackers hijack the planes and fly them in odd paths through the sky instead of taking a more direct route to the targets?

10. Why did you choose to have you hijacker fly all the way to Cleveland? Do you really hate the Browns that much?

11. KSM, as part of your operational planning, were you aware that some of your hijackers were living with an FBI informant?

12. KSM, where and when did you steal the identities of other people for some of your hijackers but not all of them? Why not all of the hijackers?

13. KSM, how were you able to convince Bush to link Iraq with 9/11?

14. If you are a terrorist, would you lie about being tortured?
If you were tortured, would you lie?

15. As an Islamic fundamentalist, why did you not try to take your own life before being apprehended or why didn't you have the infidels try to kill you?

16. KSM, why did you target the part of the Pentagon that was being rennovated to withstand blast damage?

17.KSM, why did your hijackers choose to make a very large turn in the airspace above the Pentagon instead of hitting the building in a straight line flight path?

18. Why did you have your hijackers hit the part of the Pentagon that housed civilian accounts instead of better target of your enemy?

19. KSM, why did OBL claim responsibility and then deny reponsibility for the attacks?
Why didn't you do the same?

20. Why, KSM, did you choose to attack the United States?
Do you hate our freedoms? Do you have any political reasons for attacking the United States?

21. Why did you choose to attack Israel, the hated enemy of Islamic Radicals worldwide?

22. Why did you choose to have your hijackers train in the country they were going to attack? Why didn't you have them train in foreign countries where the risk of detection would be lower?

23. What criteria did you use to choose the hijackers?

24. Why did you warn certain members in the government and the military to not fly on 9/11?

 
At 18 March, 2007 11:41, Blogger Unknown said...

There are already perfectly good answers to those questions that have been posted over and over again. How dense are you? I have a little tip for you. No matter how many times you ask the same question it won't change the answer.

I can already imagine that your thinking:

"Where have these answers been posted, I haven't seen them, point me to a link, etc etc etc..."

That means that either

A) You have piss poor reading comprehension and an equally crappy memory

B) Your using just another tactic in the long list of methods a denier uses to stretch out a baseless claim.

Either way, your an idiot.

 
At 18 March, 2007 12:16, Blogger Unknown said...

Richard
He thinks if he keeps asking the same dumb already answered questions, it makes him sound smart.
He has never provides us a list of engineers to back up his mindless babble.
He is typ of the toofers, they have no proof of anything so they try and answer questions with questions, it is the oldest ploy in the world that the toofers use.

 
At 18 March, 2007 12:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

..And you clowns are to cowardly to legitimately answer the fellows questions--and turn to the typical ad hominem routine again. You were straying away from it for a while---but you never fail to impress

 
At 18 March, 2007 13:15, Blogger texasjack said...

His questions are addressed to KSM, can't he speak for himself?

 
At 18 March, 2007 13:38, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I am not KSM, but lets see if I can do a good job of immitating him, to show you that your questions would solve nothing for you Swing...

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1. As part of your planning from "A to Z" how did you get all those flights unintercepted?


We bought tickets for flights extremely near simultaneous in their take off times, and then counted on american incompetence. Worse case scenario, we would kill hundreds via the people aboard the aircrafts.


2. How did you manage to get explosive devices into the WTC subbasements?


We didn't.


3.How were you able to get the wrong tower to fall first on 9/11?


I am no expert, but it seems to me that the first tower to fall was the one that had to support more weight on weakened supports, and was hit in the corner, weakening its ability to remain standing as well. Luck really.


4.Were you able to influence the intelligence complex to ignore all of the warnings surrounding your hijackers using planes as weapons?


We don't need to influence american beurocracy on anything, their incompetence is self evident...we counted on it.


5. As part of your planning, KSM, who informed you that the Air Force would be participating in a number of wargames and live hijacking drills so as to confuse the responses of NORAD and the FAA?


Noone informed us. Were there wargames that day? Ahh, probably. I am guessing they run wargames most days in Washington DC and the surrounding areas.


6.KSM, how did you manage to curtail FBI ground level agents investigations into your activities?


They were investigating me? Funny, Noone here has told me they were. I am sure this new revelation is backed up by numerous reliable sources, isnt it?


7.KSM, as part of your planning from A to Z, how were you able to avoid ABLE DANGER'S tracking?


Able Danger? Oh you mean that alleged, later proven false "mission/operation", well obviously, as it was false, I didnt have to do anything.


8. KSM, please describe the manner in which your operatives snuck knifes, guns, and possibly a bomb through airport security?


wouldnt you like to know...lol.

seriously though, only boxcutters and small plastic handled knives with non metal blades were brought aboard. The rest were threats only.


9. KSM, why did your hijackers hijack the planes and fly them in odd paths through the sky instead of taking a more direct route to the targets?


They were busy with other things, and they were not the greatest of pilots, you know what I am saying.


10. Why did you choose to have you hijacker fly all the way to Cleveland? Do you really hate the Browns that much?


Like I said, they were busy, and not very good pilots.


11. KSM, as part of your operational planning, were you aware that some of your hijackers were living with an FBI informant?


Really? Hmmmm. Interesting. So who was the real fool then?


12. KSM, where and when did you steal the identities of other people for some of your hijackers but not all of them? Why not all of the hijackers?


We stole enough. Multiple hijackers used the ids, circulating/exchanging them with each other where they could. In the end, we only had to cover the tracks of the few who were on watch lists.


13. KSM, how were you able to convince Bush to link Iraq with 9/11?


I did not do this. Are you mentally ill?


14. If you are a terrorist, would you lie about being tortured?
If you were tortured, would you lie?


I lie all the time, but I am not now...or am I.


15. As an Islamic fundamentalist, why did you not try to take your own life before being apprehended or why didn't you have the infidels try to kill you?


I did not want to die at that point. With the motion of a hand, I can tell others that follow me when to carry out the next plan. I am more important alive, than dead.


16. KSM, why did you target the part of the Pentagon that was being rennovated to withstand blast damage?


Renovated? really? I did not know that. Too bad, as that likely lessened the damage Hani could have done.


17.KSM, why did your hijackers choose to make a very large turn in the airspace above the Pentagon instead of hitting the building in a straight line flight path?


You are asking me? Did I fly the plane?


18. Why did you have your hijackers hit the part of the Pentagon that housed civilian accounts instead of better target of your enemy?


They were not very good pilots. I think they hit whatever area was most convenient at the time.


19. KSM, why did OBL claim responsibility and then deny reponsibility for the attacks?
Why didn't you do the same?


Because I am not OBL, and he is not me.


20. Why, KSM, did you choose to attack the United States?
Do you hate our freedoms? Do you have any political reasons for attacking the United States?


Yes I hate you all. Praise be to Allah.


21. Why did you choose to attack Israel, the hated enemy of Islamic Radicals worldwide?


The USA is the new Israel.


22. Why did you choose to have your hijackers train in the country they were going to attack? Why didn't you have them train in foreign countries where the risk of detection would be lower?


Flying was only one component. There was so much more involved in the operation, that it required the 19 to get here, settle, blend in, and then move forward with the plan.


23. What criteria did you use to choose the hijackers?


Willingness to become Martyrs, for the muscle, the ability to be ruthless, and kill with their hands, for the pilots, intellect, and aptitude sufficient to fly.


24. Why did you warn certain members in the government and the military to not fly on 9/11?


I didn't. Who said I did.

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So that is how easy it would be for KSM to answer your questions Swing.

TAM:)

 
At 18 March, 2007 14:24, Blogger Alex said...

They were not very good pilots. I think they hit whatever area was most convenient at the time.

Actually this raises a good point. I'd be interested to know whether Hani was supposed to hit the Pentagon in the first place. Has that ever been answered? I remember originally there being speculation that he was looking for a different target, but got lost and hit the pentagon instead as a target of opportunity. Anyone know anything about that? Has KSM been asked about the actual targets, or has OBL said anything about it? Ditto for flight 93, it'd be interesting to ask him where that flight was supposed to hit.

 
At 18 March, 2007 15:28, Blogger texasjack said...

There hasn't been much dispute that 3 of the intended targets were the WTC towers and the Pentagon. The White House or the Capitol were to be the fourth target, Atta wanting the Capitol because it was a bigger target and OBL wanting the White House. Atta got his way, although it never materialized.

 
At 19 March, 2007 07:19, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

We bought tickets for flights extremely near simultaneous in their take off times, and then counted on american incompetence.


Incompetence with 4 planes, but not the 100's of others on 9/11 KSM? Incompentence procedures that worked just fine in the past on multiple occasions of hijackings, KSM?
If fact, KSM, it was routine for intercepts to be practiced by the Air Forces just not shot down, as part of wargame scenarios according to a NORAD spokesman.

We didn't.
Debunked. If they didn't then who did? This is called ignoring the overwhelming evidence that something blew out the sublevels.

Luck really.
Luck to explain violation of basic physics. Ooookkkk.

their incompetence is self evident...we counted on it.
Practicing and preparing for an event generally isn't a sign of incompetence but preparation.

Oh you mean that alleged, later proven false "mission/operation"
KSM, if it were false, why did the leader of ABLE DANGER state otherwise and still hold to his guns regarding the tracking of those indidivuals? Perhaps, KSM, you should read more about Able Danger here:
http://www.roryoconnor.org/
blog/index.php?p=157

We stole enough. Multiple hijackers used the ids, circulating/exchanging them with each other where they could. In the end, we only had to cover the tracks of the few who were on watch lists.
Fair enough, KSM, but how did you avoid interception of your operatives if they were on watch lists?


seriously though, only boxcutters and small plastic handled knives with non metal blades were brought aboard. The rest were threats only.

How do we know, KSM, those were the only weapons on board? We have used Olson's record to point out the boxcutters used, but why then should we ignore the other weapons that were used?


I did not do this. Are you mentally ill?
Of course not. But I'm curious if you tried or if you sent emails to the President recommending this considering your or is it OBL's organization didn't quite see eye to eye with SH.

They were busy with other things, and they were not the greatest of pilots, you know what I am saying.

KSM, if you had muscle hijackers on each flight, what would the pilots of each aircraft be busy with other things? What other things might those include besides turning transponders off that would draw attention to your flight even sooner? How long does it take to turn a jet left?

I lie all the time, but I am not now...or am I.
That is why I'm recommending to the prosecuting torture...errr attourney to adminster truth serum into your vein.

I did not want to die at that point. With the motion of a hand, I can tell others that follow me when to carry out the next plan. I am more important alive, than dead.

Can you please describe the handmotions you are referring to?
How important can you be, KSM, in solitary confinement in Guantanmo?

Renovated? really? I did not know that. Too bad, as that likely lessened the damage Hani could have done.
KSM, you stated in a most un-Arabic way that you were responsible for the operational planning from A-Z.
Did you choose to leave the actual location of the target up to the hijackers? It would seem that would be a key part of your planning process-where exactly to hit each target to cause the most amount of damage to life and structure.

You are asking me? Did I fly the plane?
No, of course you didn't. You were responsible for the entire operation from A to Z.


They were not very good pilots. I think they hit whatever area was most convenient at the time.
As the operational planner from "A to Z", why did you choose hijackers that were not very good pilots?
Secondly, they hit what was most convenient. Isn't that a little haphazard of an excuse for the targets? Why did you leave the targets up to the hijackers when the attacks was a well planned and well coordinated attack?


Flying was only one component. There was so much more involved in the operation, that it required the 19 to get here, settle, blend in, and then move forward with the plan.
If flying was only one, but the most important, why did you choose hijackers that were poor pilots?

I didn't. Who said I did.
Just asking, KSM. Just asking.

Mr. KSM, were you being tortured when you answered these questions?
And are you lying or not?

Thanks, TAM!

Now in order to prevent another "official" 9/11 it would be nice to ask this KSM some of these questions.

 
At 19 March, 2007 08:00, Blogger texasjack said...

Swing, you do realize that KSM confessed to planning 911 before he was captured. Your little hypothetical is useless.
Do you know anything about KSM? Do you think he is a terrorist that hates America? Maybe you should do a little reading on the guy, maybe you'll understand that this is a bad dude.
Here's my hypothetical. Would you be willing to be in the same room with KSM, unarmed? Do you believe there are Islamic terrorists that have killed Americans?

 
At 19 March, 2007 10:26, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Texas So you wouldn't like to know about the operational details in order to better prepare for and prevent another official 9/11 style of attack?

Two, would I dare be in the same room with him? Sure, I can hold my own.

Do you know why KSM hates America, Texas? Is it because of our freedoms as Bush lies about?

Do I believe there are Islamic radicals that have killed Americans? Sure do.

Are you aware of the circumstances, Texasjack of KSM's arrest? Perhaps you should read a bit...

http://www.iamthewitness.com/
Bollyn-Ahmed-Abdul-Qadus.html

What I find, ironic, Jack, is the transcripts of the interrorgation that show KSM having a poor command of the English language in the interview even though he was educated as an engineer in this country.
After the unending lies this U.S. administration has issued since its inception, I find it truly difficult to believe anything they say.

In one newspaper, KSM has already been killed. In another he is arrested with a mentally ill companion. In another, a 9/11 victim's family member calls this debacle a 'new low'.

So pardon me for being skeptical.

 
At 19 March, 2007 12:45, Blogger Alex said...

It's ok, we forgave you for being an idiot ages ago.

 
At 19 March, 2007 17:33, Blogger texasjack said...

Of course Swing totally ignores the fact that KSM confessed of the planning of 911 before he was captured.
I find it unusual that you're not afraid of KSM. Are you buddies with him? Aren't you scared the gubmint might find this out, that they aren't spying on you, researching you? Yes, you're sure proving your point of all those lost freedoms by freely criticizing the gubmint.
Swing, you're a self-proclaimed Educator with a Masters degree in Education from no college(pardon me as I burst out laughing), can't you provide any research outside of google? You have to be able to access a library on-line from the college you didn't name, don't you know how to use it? If you did you would realize that KSM had horrible English and was surprised that he got that far, according to Quentin Clay who paired up with him in his Senior Design class in college. You would also discover that it was at Chowan College and North Carolina A&T they his hatred for America grew. Try doing some real, extensive, qualified research Mr. Swingmasters--quit quote mining, learn to evaluate evidence,figure out what peer-review really entails, and live up to your phony degree.

 
At 19 March, 2007 18:05, Blogger ConsDemo said...

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At 20 March, 2007 09:14, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

Texas, why would I be afraid of someone in solitary confinement?

Why do you care if I fear anyone or anything?

And again, you are going off on wild tangents that are meaningless.

Lets see, finding primary source material through google is very bad versus going to a library to find primary source material which is very good. Are you kidding me??
Style over substance fallacy, chief, try again.

By the way, are you going to link to any of your blabber or should I accept it as copying and pasting?


South Asia Oct. 2002
A chilling inheritance of terror
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Ever since the frenzied shootout last month on September 11 in Karachi there have been doubts over whether Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed head of al-Qaeda's military committee, died in the police raid on his apartment.

Certainly, another senior al-Qaeda figure, Ramzi Binalshibh, widely attributed as being the coordinator of the September 11 attacks on the United States a year earlier, was taken alive and handed over to the US. The latest information is that he is on a US warship somewhere in the Gulf.

Now it has emerged that Kuwaiti national Khalid Shaikh Mohammed did indeed perish in the raid, but his wife and child were taken from the apartment and handed over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in whose hands they remain.

Sources close to Pakistani intelligence agents say that the wife, under intense interrogation, has revealed information that is likely to lead to a new crackdown in Pakistan, as well as in Southeast Asia.

After the Taliban and al-Qaeda were routed in Afghanistan at the end of 2001, many fled to Pakistan to regroup and set up new cells. One of these, as described in Asia Times Online, From the al-Qaeda puzzle, a picture emerges, was in Karachi, with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed as its head.

Despite being tracked by informers within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who has been described as "probably the only man who knows all the [al-Qaeda] pieces of the puzzle", always managed to remain one step ahead of any raiding parties in the slum areas along the coastal belt of Karachi.

However, it was then learned that Shaikh Mohammed had established connections with some local groups, including underworld figures, to entrench his cell. Using highly sensitive equipment, in April a call was tracked to someone by the name of Arif, living in the densely populated southwestern part of the city. Arif spoke to a Tunisian, passing on a message from Shaikh Mohammed. Subsequently, the Tunisian is believed to be the man who rammed a truck laden with explosives into a Jewish synagogue in Djerba in Tunisia in which many French and German citizens died.

After this suicide attack, the FBI were onto Shaikh Mohammed in a big way, and, no doubt not entirely without coincidence, on September 11 they decided on a showdown at the apartment of Shaikh Mohammed, his wife and child, in the Defense Housing Authority near Korangi Road. A number of Arabs were also living in the apartment at the time.

Initially, the joint ISI-FBI plan was to take Shaikh Mohammed alive so that he could be grilled, especially as he was believed to have knowledge of other al-Qaeda cells in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere. However, as a plainclothed officer climbed the stairs toward the third-floor apartment, a hand grenade was thrown, and he retreated. Reinforcements then arrived, and for the next few hours a fierce gun battle blazed.

The FBI, still keen to take Shaikh Mohammed alive, teargassed the area, and a number of people were captured. However, despite instructions to the contrary, a few Pakistan Rangers entered the flat, where they found Shaikh Mohammed and another man, allegedly with their hands up. The Rangers nevertheless opened fire on the pair.

Later, the Pakistani press carried pictures of a message scrawled in blood on the wall of the flat, proclaiming the Muslim refrain of Kalma, in Arabic: "There is no God except Allah, Mohammed is his messenger"). An official who was present in the flat at the time of the shooting has told Asia Times Online that the message was written by Shaikh Mohammed with his own blood as his life drained from him.

Subsequently, to their surprise, the raiders learned that Ramzi Binalshibh had been netted in the swoop. And nothing further was said of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

But now it emerges that an Arab woman and a child were taken to an ISI safe house, where they identified the Shaikh Mohammed's body as their husband and father. The body was kept in a private NGO mortuary for 20 days before being buried, under the surveillance of the FBI, in a graveyard in the central district of Karachi.

The widow subsequently underwent exhaustive interrogation in the custody of FBI officials, during which she revealed details of people who visited her husband, and of his other contacts and plans. News of the death of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was intentionally suppressed so that officials could play on the power of his name to follow up leads and contacts.

From this it emerges that, in particular, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was in close contact with the Rabitatul Mujahideen, an alliance formed by Indonesia's Jemaah Islamiyah to act as a central committee for leaders of the various militant groups in Southeast Asia. He was also in touch with dissident groups within the Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Pakistani-based militant group that has been active in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) in Indian-administered Kashmir, and another Pakistani militia, the Ansarul Islam.

Intelligence officials now believe that through these links a new wave of terror will be unleashed - and officials have already taken the precaution to warn the intelligence agencies of friendly countries to check the lists of all people who have undergone flight training in the past six months: They have been led to believe that another World Trade Center/Pentagon attack is being planned, although not on a target in the US.


So who exactly is confessing to 9/11? A dead man or a patsy?

Yes, that is right! From the same people that brought you Iraq and WMD's, Iraq and 9/11, The Air Is Fine in NYC, the truth now emerges about KSM and 9/11.

Texas and friends, wake up, open your eyes and recognize that you are being lied to yet again!

 
At 20 March, 2007 11:54, Blogger texasjack said...

"Lets see, finding primary source material through google is very bad versus going to a library to find primary source material which is very good. Are you kidding me??"

Swing, you just exposed yourself as a fraud. You have a Masters degree? LOL! I never said that google wasn't a potentially good source of info, I said it's not the only one. There is this thing called books, that are well researched and sourced, another called journals that you can't find on google. There is this thing called peer-review that you seem to be immune to. Come on Swing, do a little research outside of google and find where I found the information I wrote about KSM, I challenge you. Also, provide some info that has been peer-reviewed by a respected journal on any aspect of 911 that proves your assertions. It should be pretty simple for someone with an advanced degree.

"Why do you care if I fear anyone or anything?"

My point exactly. You and others rant incessantly against the Bush Administration, and yet you suffer no repercussions from that said govt. It sounds like a pretty tolerant govt. to me.


Finally, you prove my assertion that you're incapable of evaluating evidence. You say that KSM is in solitary confinement and/or a patsy or he's dead. There is almost always going to contradictory evidence in any investigation, it is the ability to determine which evidence carries more weight, which evidence is more credible, or which evidence corroborates other evidence. Time and time again you have been unable to distinguish this. In this case, a confession, along with other corroborating, credible evidence, points directly at KSM being the mastermind of 911. Try do some responsible research Swing, or give back that degree you borrowed.

 

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