Thursday, June 29, 2006

Another Lie From Fetzer?

Sheesh, no wonder this guy likes Dylan so much; they both lie like Joe Isuzu. Right after the exchange on the Colmes show with the guy whose uncle died in Pennsylvania, Fetzer says this:

I've got another Air Force colonel who's responsible for air crash investigations, told me the crash site looked to him like they brought a bulldozer out, dug a ditch, put some trash in it and blowed (sic) it up.


Hmmm, perhaps he means noted Air Force colonel Wally Miller (actually the coroner for Somerset County, where Flight 93 went down?

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."


Certainly sounds like a revision of the same quote.

35 Comments:

At 29 June, 2006 19:21, Blogger shawn said...

It's like these people never learned simile and metaphor in third grade English.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:30, Blogger roger_sq said...

It's like you people have cognitiv dissonance

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Meanwhile, investigators say they've found debris from the crash at least eight miles away from the crash site.

A second debris field was around Indian Lake about 3 miles from the crash scene. Some debris was in the lake and some was adjacent to the lake.

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The Boeing 757 still heavily laden with jet fuel slammed at about 575 mph almost straight down into a rolling patch of grassy land that had long ago been strip-mined for coal... The fuselage burrowed straight into the earth so forcefully that one of the "black boxes" was recovered at a depth of 25 feet under the ground.

F=ma? Not anymore!

"Now y'see heyar, plane went straight down 25 feet inta this heyar ground at 600 miles a hour, then some of it bounced out and landed 40 thousand feet over yonder."

uhmmm. ok.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:38, Blogger James B. said...

Meanwhile, investigators say they've found debris from the crash at least eight miles away from the crash site.


Yeah, paper and other light debris. Have you ever heard of this strange new phenomenon called wind?

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:42, Blogger shawn said...

"The impact spewed a fireball of horrific force across hundreds of acres of towering hemlocks and other trees, setting many ablaze."

So it set trees over HUNDREDS of acres on fire, but couldn't throw anything clear of the blast site?

Now I know why you guys pick and choose your quotes.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:43, Blogger shawn said...

Yeah, paper and other light debris. Have you ever heard of this strange new phenomenon called wind?

Didn't you know that plane explosions automatically destroy any and all light materials instantaneously?

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:48, Blogger Richard said...

Don't even bother using words like cognitive dissonance or formula's if you can't see that from the force of the plane impacting the ground that aluminum strips and various other light debris would be carried away by the wind.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:51, Blogger shawn said...

Don't even bother using words like cognitive dissonance

Roger has a huge problem with projection.

I would've written him off a troll by now, but with people like nesnyc floating around, anything's possible.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:51, Blogger Chad said...

Didn't you know that plane explosions automatically destroy any and all light materials instantaneously.

... They even vaporize air.

It's true, I saw it on an Alex Jones flick somebody uploaded in a BestBuy.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:54, Blogger roger_sq said...

Uh, yeah actually kerosene will vaporize everything it touches. Didn't you read the 9/11 commission?


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93site.html???

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:54, Blogger BG said...

Alright, already. Fetzer is sloppy.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:56, Blogger roger_sq said...

Don't even bother using words like cognitive dissonance or formula's if you can't see that from the force of the plane impacting the ground that aluminum strips and various other light debris would be carried away by the wind.

Sorry, I'm stuck on Occam's Razor conflicting with Brownian motion. That's all the bullshit I can handle for one night, have fun kids!

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:59, Blogger shawn said...

"Don't use logical words! I don't know the meaning! Wah!!!!"

Roger, stop pretending you're an adult. Hell, you tried to refute my invocation of Occam's Razor (correctly, by the way) with a false analogy.

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:00, Blogger James B. said...

Fetzer is "sloppy"? That is like saying that Jeffrey Dahmer had "issues".

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:03, Blogger apathoid said...

Sorry, I'm stuck on Occam's Razor conflicting with Brownian motion

Gee, another pseudo-intellectual on the internet.

What does Einsteins observation of tiny dust particles clumping together in water have to with explosions and wind currents (or Occams Razor)

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:04, Blogger roger_sq said...

Roger, stop pretending you're an adult. Hell, you tried to refute my invocation of Occam's Razor (correctly, by the way) with a false analogy.

refund...unless you went there for a rhetoric degree, get a refund.

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:06, Blogger shawn said...

refund...unless you went there for a rhetoric degree, get a refund.

hahahah why do you project all your faults onto us (although usually me)? You've been spewing rhetoric non-stop. "It's all speculation." That isn't logic. That's rhetoric.

You're the one who needs your money back.

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:29, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yeah, paper and other light debris. Have you ever heard of this strange new phenomenon called wind?

Nope. The DNA and other stuff was found 8 miles away. Nothing at the actual crater.

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:31, Blogger roger_sq said...

I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I

Stop hitting yourself!

Damn, what movie is that from?

Anyway I just went for a jog and I found a piece of flight 93 blowing across the street. What are the odds? The wind, of course. Wind disperses tiny pieces of wrecked airplane across 8 miles and is readily identifed as such, and pockets up in two locations.

Barf bags?

ttfn

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:34, Blogger James B. said...

Nope. The DNA and other stuff was found 8 miles away. Nothing at the actual crater.


Yeah, and I am sure you have credible proof for that. Just like Fetzer and his thermite explosives.

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:01, Blogger roger_sq said...

They found pieces of flight 77 eight miles from the Pentagon. And they found pieces of the other two planes in New Jersey.

In fact if you look at the footage, you can clearly see pieces of flight 175 blowing off over the ocean, disappearing out on the horizon.

They found a couple barf bags in the Canary Islands, you know.

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:01, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like, Hey man, "looks like" doesn't equal- IS.

Cloud "looks Like Elvis" does not make it Elvis.

Like, hey man, my mother used to say my room "looks like a pig pen." but it wasn't like, I mean, a pig pen.

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:15, Blogger default.xbe said...

They found pieces of flight 77 eight miles from the Pentagon. And they found pieces of the other two planes in New Jersey.

In fact if you look at the footage, you can clearly see pieces of flight 175 blowing off over the ocean, disappearing out on the horizon.

They found a couple barf bags in the Canary Islands, you know.


this may not have occured to you, but crashing into an enclosed building might have a different effect on how debris get scattered vs crashing into an open field

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:32, Blogger roger_sq said...

this may not have occured to you, but crashing into an enclosed building might have a different effect on how debris get scattered vs crashing into an open field

Wrong. The answer is there is NO wind in NY or DC. Ct debunking is a physics-free zone. Its ok to be specific.

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:37, Blogger default.xbe said...

Wrong. The answer is there is NO wind in NY or DC. Ct debunking is a physics-free zone. Its ok to be specific.

you really do get more and inane all the time, dont you?

 
At 29 June, 2006 22:11, Blogger Richard said...

Nope. The DNA and other stuff was found 8 miles away. Nothing at the actual crater.

So does than mean you believe that Flight 93 went down? Or that you accept DNA evidence is a viable solution to identifying bodies? I'm confused, you guys need to get your "facts" straight. Also related to that if you believe a plane went down in PA do you concur that Loose Change was wrong about that? Or would that cause your head to explode? I looking forward to your answer....

 
At 29 June, 2006 23:41, Blogger default.xbe said...

and if it was all faked, why would they "find" dna 8 miles away?

or is this one of those times where you cant decide if bush is an idiot or a genius?

 
At 30 June, 2006 00:36, Blogger James B. said...

That is right up there with the theory, that instead of just using enough explosives to slowly collapse the tower, they had to go to all the trouble of wiring the towers with thousands of explosives to collapse it immediately and automatically draw attention to it as a "controlled demolition"

Hmm, why are their plans always ridiculously more complex than they need to be and flawed?

 
At 30 June, 2006 02:10, Blogger default.xbe said...

it reminds me of austin powers

Dr. Evil: Scott, I want you to meet daddy's nemesis, Austin Powers

Scott Evil: What? Are you feeding him? Why don't you just kill him?

Dr. Evil: I have an even better idea. I'm going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death

 
At 30 June, 2006 07:55, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Bush: Remember Larry! Don't say a word about our conspiracy! The US government is HAPPY to let you get involved in our massive conspiracy to achieve our geo-political aims!

Silverstein: YES SIR!!! I can't wait to collect the insurance money and REBUILD the WTC even though I didn't get enough coverage.

Silverstein(after PBS "confession") D'OH!!!

 
At 30 June, 2006 08:07, Blogger nesNYC said...

Silverstein: YES SIR!!! I can't wait to collect the insurance money and REBUILD the WTC even though I didn't get enough coverage.

Silverstein(after PBS "confession") D'OH!!!


No, more like:

Silverstein: Hey US Gov. me and the boyz of Zion have a plan. It will further our cause and be really lucrative for you guys. I'll buy the buildings and then prepare them and take the hit if need be. You guys take care of NORAD just long enough so we can pull this off.

US: Okay, we can definitely hold off NORAD for a bit. But what do you mean "take the hit."

Silverstein: As a leader of the boyz of Zion, we need to have someone that will assume responsibility if anyone ever gets wind of what will happen. I'll throw a bone out there and see if it has reverberations and to see if the cover-up was successful. If so, nothing will come out of it. But if someone indeed finds out, the Jew will take the hit. It's all been worked out so no need to worry, I'm pretty confident of that. In fact, I'll try and make double the insurance payout.

 
At 30 June, 2006 08:16, Blogger nesNYC said...

It's like you people have cognitiv dissonance

My assessment exactly.

 
At 30 June, 2006 08:51, Blogger Abby Scott said...

the Jew will take the hit.

Nice.

Just out of curiousity's sake, what is the "cause" that the Zionists are trying to promote?

World domination?

No links please, just your opinion.

 
At 30 June, 2006 10:30, Blogger apathoid said...

yep Roger, I'd also like an answer as to why they'd plant debris 8 miles from the crash site as well as on a lake.
Did they take a big bag of debris out on a boat and start distributing it all over the lake hoping Brownian motion would make the pattern look irregular?

Or was United 93 shot down?

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:02, Blogger shawn said...

Of course they have to make their conspiracy as ridiculous as possible.

And roger, you do project. You fail at every logical turn and then blame logic for your mistakes ("bastardized Occam's Razor" followed by a false analogy was a real laugher).

 
At 01 July, 2006 09:28, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Excuse me but since when was Larry Silverstein a leader of "Zionism"? Why would the government want to help this guy out or include him anyway? He would be another liability; and their resources would already be stretched thin since they need to lean on EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND DEMOLITIONS EXPERT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Lastly, WHY wouldn't he insure the buildings for ENOUGH MONEY, and why would he use the amount of money he got to REBUILD THE TOWERS instead of taking the money and running?

Your insurance fraud skills are lacking.

 

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