Burn Baby Burn
One of the biggest straw man arguments put out by the conspiracy theorists is that the fires at the World Trade Centers were not hot enough to melt steel. Of course nobody but the conspiracy theorists have ever argued that it was, but even moonbat physicist Steven Jones acknowledges that steel loses half its strength at 650 degress celsius.
If you bring this up, they will of course change the argument to "Yeah, but there is no way the fire could have gotten that hot". So I decided to do a little research, and I found an example of fires in an experiment burning in excess of 700 degress celsius.
How did they achieve such high temperatures now? Was it tons of burning jet fuel? Military explosives? Thermite charges? No, it was in a simple house fire, in an experiment conducted to improve fire investigation.
But I am sure all that jet fuel would cool things off...
posted by James B. @ 12:51 PM
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Ha ha! Reaching there huh? Did you take into consideration that a house fire is small and concentrated as opposed to a huge steel building that could displace the heat throughout its structure? You'd need an awful lot of jet fuel or office furniture to prevent this dampening effect. Basically, the WTC fires were contained in a single point but the entire structure acted like a huge radiator distributing the heat away from that central point. In a house, the fire can’t go very far and is therefore contained and more intense as a result.
Did you take into consideration that a house fire is small and concentrated as opposed to a huge steel building that could displace the heat throughout its structure?
You forget to take into account the elevation of the office tower (you know, wind) and the fact it was an open structure? This creates a blast furance.
Basically, the WTC fires were contained in a single point but the entire structure acted like a huge radiator distributing the heat away from that central point.
If this were true we wouldn't have seen much smoke.
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Basically, the WTC fires were contained in a single point but the entire structure acted like a huge radiator distributing the heat away from that central point.
Fire needs three things to burn Nessie. You got HEAT, but conveniently neglected FUEL and OXYGEN.
Did the structure distribute those two things away from that one contained single point as well?
'Cause otherwise, those flames are gonna keep burning.
If this were true we wouldn't have seen much smoke.
Incorrect ASSumption. Since the fire burned cooler, more smoke was prevalent. Typically, hotter fires burn with less smoke. Especially fuel fires.
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Did the structure distribute those two things away from that one contained single point as well?
Another incorrect ASSumption and, "these two" things are not what you guys claim bought the buildings down. You say heat did but as I show, there wasn't enough heat to do what you are saying it did. It's like a BBQ grill that has hot charcoals, if you touch the sides and even the legs, you'll fell the heat because the whole structure is convectional, that's a basic principle. Are you saying that didn't happen on the trade towers? I guess those "Muslims" were magicians too hey? LOL!
so this fire must be like what, 40 degrees? look at all the smoke
You should refrain from commenting if you cannot understand the concept. Thanks.
Nessie, were you upset that Joan was getting all the crazy attention? Little nervous that she might take the title of "Person Most Likely To Post Comments That Either Offend, Make No Sense, Or Are Just Too Ridiculous To Acknowledge While Miraculously At The Same Time Making No Coherent Argument Whatsoever"?
There there now.... there there.
He's actualy making a fairly valid point for once, which, I think some of you are misunderstanding. What he's saying is that the heat being absorbed on the burning floors would have caused not just the steel at that point, but also the steel in the rest of the building to heat up. In other words, it would take a much larger ammount of total heat energy to bring up the temperature of the steel in the towers than the steel in a house. So far he's correct.
Where his logic breaks down is in his assumption that heat convection occurs instantaniously. Like when he says here:
"It's like a BBQ grill that has hot charcoals, if you touch the sides and even the legs, you'll fell the heat because the whole structure is convectional, that's a basic principle."
Ofcourse, Mr. Einstein over has never conducted such an experiment, otherwise he'd know that the base of the legs is a lot cooler than the grill itself. So heat doesn't travel immediately throughout the entire structure.
His second mistake is the assumption that all the steel in the building had to heat to 600 degrees or so. That's ofcourse nonsense, and becomes much easier to understand once you realize that heat transmition even through steel takes time. The steel in the burning parts of the building heated and expanded. As it expanded it weakened. When it reached the critical point, it collapsed. What the steel in the rest of the building is immaterial.
Thanks, I knew I was using the wrong word there :)
You should refrain from commenting if you cannot understand the concept. Thanks
You've never heard "the pot calling the kettle black" have you?
And that's ridiculous to say a smaller/cooler fire produces less smoke. Smoke is a grouping of air-borne particles, being charred and sent skyward by the flames. Ergo, a hotter and/or larger fire would sent more particulate matter into the air, creating thicker smoke.
what about the second world trade center that was nailed, all the fuel clearly EXPLODES out of the side of the building. Ware was the fuel that burned that trade center. that building the first to fall! U WISH it was the steel that melted! About steel, theres differant types of steel, hard steel, soft steel. I guess it must of been low tepered steel. The structure must have been made by cast metal, considering thats week steel. And thats how the 2 of 3 structures fell, I can go on... U WISH it was a house fire that burned hot
U WISH, u could find evidence that this was actually a terror attack on US soil! Find it, then post it, this will be fun
U WISH, u could find evidence that this was actually a terror attack on US soil! Find it, then post it, this will be fun
explosions in word trade center before a during the planes hitting, why
what about the ashes coming from the ground all around the world trade centers
and the people that were burned comin out of the elevators at the bottom floor, U WISH it was a terror attack
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