Friday, June 09, 2006

The "No Todd Beamer" Theory

This is hilarious:

The Discovery Channel documentary, 'The Flight That Fought Back', produced by London-based Brook Lapping Productions,is based on research evidence includingthe 9/11 Commission Report and voice recordings leftby passengers and crew members of United flight 93,including the famous "Let's roll" call to action, frompassenger Todd Beamer. There is only one problem:Todd Beamer does not exist.Do a Social Security Death Index search for ToddBeamer at :

You get one record with the date of birth as SEPTEMBERELEVENTH, 1968 and date of death as 6/10/97. Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93,only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SocialSecurity Death Index.

Of course, there is a simple reason for this:

The SSDI does not include death records for everyone who has been issued a Social Security Number (card). Common reasons for exclusion include the following:

* The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
* The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
* The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
* Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
* A recent death may not be indexed yet.
* Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")

Hmmm, perhaps survivor benefits are being paid to his wife and children?

Hat Tip: JREF forum, Gravy and Chipmunk Stew (sounds delicious!).


At 09 June, 2006 08:54, Blogger nesNYC said...

Better question, why were the passenger counts on the planes unusually low? Can you find if this happens regularly? Remember Northwood talking about fake passenger lists who would actually be government agents? 2+2. Not saying it happened on 9/11, but just some food for thought.

At 09 June, 2006 08:58, Blogger Abby Scott said...

Circumstantial evidence is the best evidence!

My second favorite is the "debate style" when CT'ers say "Hey, but what about this!" and then post links to 3 different hour long home movies then leave.

At 09 June, 2006 08:59, Blogger Abby Scott said...

Are you sure it was unusual? I've been on lots of planes that were one third to half full.

At 09 June, 2006 09:09, Blogger James B. said...

I was on a flight to Frankfurt once that was so empty I was the only one in my row. It was great, I put all the arms up and slept. It must have been a fake flight!

The hijackers took several test flights. It is likely they picked flights that they knew would not be full.

At 09 June, 2006 09:12, Blogger nesNYC said...

The hijackers took several test flights. It is likely they picked flights that they knew would not be full.

Now you're talking. How and why do you come to this conclusion. Is it true that emptier planes pose less risk to your mission?

At 09 June, 2006 09:23, Blogger James B. said...

Yes, less passengers to intefere with the hijacking. You are able to move around the plane easier.

At 09 June, 2006 09:47, Blogger CHF said...

The more I hear from CT believers the more I'd love to see these 9/11 CTs go to court.

Can you imagine a lawyer spewing this "logic" to a jury?

"The planes weren't full. You must convict Bush!"

"The towers fell at free-fall speed while debris must have fallen at ultra-free-fall speed."

"I'd like to call my third witness: a philospohy professor who will testify on the matter of building collapses..."

It'd make for a good laugh if nothing else.

At 09 June, 2006 10:06, Blogger James B. said...

My favorite would be, "Yes, I know over a hundred witnesses saw AA77 crash into the Pentagon, but one witness said it sounded like a missile."

At 09 June, 2006 10:28, Blogger undense said...

My second favorite is the "debate style" when CT'ers say "Hey, but what about this!" and then post links to 3 different hour long home movies then leave.

The best way to reply to the spam and run types is to use a C&P reply that links to FEMA, NIST, and a psychiatric support group.

btw, love your blog.

At 09 June, 2006 10:49, Blogger Pat said...

Don't forget, the economy had slowed dramatically prior to 9-11. Slower economy means fewer people traveling. It is really only in the last few years that the airlines have gotten so good at packing the flights. And yes, it was well-reported that the hijackers were looking for flights that didn't have a lot of passengers. It was their misfortune that Flight 93, which only had two hijacker musclemen unlike the other three flights, happened to have quite a few athletes among the passengers.

At 09 June, 2006 10:54, Blogger Chad said...

The more I hear from CT believers the more I'd love to see these 9/11 CTs go to court.

Dude seriously? I want to film this. Dylan and his cronies have already written the damn screenplay. Just imagine the wacky lines from Liar Liar being delivered in a stone-cold serious A Few Good Men "You can't handle the truth!!" type of way.

Casting starts next weekend in Brooklyn. (I got dibs on one of the philosopher-turned-structural engineer roles.)

Joan can play herself.

At 09 June, 2006 11:34, Blogger JoanBasil said...

"And yes, it was well-reported that the hijackers were looking for flights that didn't have a lot of passengers." - Pat

Can you back this up with some history of these "19 hijackers" scouting out these particular flights and that they had found them at such low passenger counts on such a regular basis that they could make the assumption that these flights would have very few passengers? I can't find anything like that beyond surmises.

At 09 June, 2006 11:37, Blogger dman said...

There were 44 people on Flight 93-
33 passengers, 7 crew (2 pilots/
5 attendents), 4 terrorists. This
is the flight which had only 4
hijackers, 1 being denied entry and
deported at Orlando by an quick
thinking inspector - a Hispanic
IIRC. That means there were only
2 hijackers to control the
passengers - 2 were in the cockpit
1 flying and 1 moving back and
forth from the cabin to the cockpit
When the passengers struck back
were able to overpower the cabin
hijackers - conjecture is were
able to kill/disable them and
tried to force way into cockpit.
The hijackers took "test flights"
to gauge number of passengers/crew
and their routines. Took flights
off peak to avoid large number of
passngers. Read "AMERICA'S SECRET
WAR" by George Friedman of Stratfor
corporate intelligence service -
has excellent analysis of why
hijackers choose certain planes
(Boeing), timing of flights -
departure times at 8AM and other
operational details.

At 09 June, 2006 11:46, Blogger James B. said...

It is in the 9/11 commission report. I know you CTs try to avoid that like kryptonite, but it would be nice if you tried reading it sometime.

The report, which is the culmination of a 20-month investigation into the plot that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, describes the meticulous planning of hijackers who sought to exploit weaknesses in airline and border procedures by taking test flights.

washington times on commission report

At 09 June, 2006 15:13, Blogger shawn said...

Hmm take a flight with 200 potential enemies or half that? Tough decision.

It was also a Tuesday morning, not exactly the busiest time for flying.

At 13 September, 2006 19:12, Blogger The Truth Is Near Your Hands-Grab It said...

the ssi is said to be 85 percent acccurate. so, you could say "well hes not on there, maybe theres a mistake..big deal right?" and it may not be a big deal, though it certainly doesnt provide evidence to show HE WAS on there. BUT, theres much more to this. take the 4 flight manifests and see how many individuals are listed on that index as dead. its extremely low, and its not even close to 85 percent. now THAT is evidence that is very substancial in a court of law.

i would tell everyone to be smart and just investigate for themselves. i do suggest Loose Change 2, definitely, and you'll find the facts they present there will quite convince you of the truth, but if you want simply look for yourself across the vast body of evidence. don't take ANYONES word for it..look for yourself, you owe it to yourself and those who died, and to anyone you love and everyone in the world..because right now we are in a "post-911 world"..and if its based on a lie, then our entire future hangs on the truth.

At 13 September, 2006 19:24, Blogger The Truth Is Near Your Hands-Grab It said...

btw, its a conspiracy theory only if its a theory. we're talking facts...theory would be to tell the exact story detail for detail, something none of us knows. fact is presenting the facts and recognizing what they can mean and cannot mean.


bbc reported at least 4 hijackers were alive 12 days after 9/11.
reports have now added up to as many as 9 still being alive.
what does this mean?
FACT-the 19 hijacker story cannot be true if some are still alive.

bye bye official government story.

lets try it again:

bin laden is a lefty.
FACT(check the fbi's profile of bin laden)
bin laden in the "confession tape writes and eats with his right hand.
what does this mean?
FACT-that cannot be osama bin laden in the confession tape.

bin laden is not wanted for 9/11 according to the FBI's most wanted website.
rex tomb(fbi spokesman)said that hes not wanted because theres no evidence to tie him to 9/11.
what does this mean?
i think thats self explanatory, but now you have to ask yourself:
well if bin laden isnt wanted by the fbi for 9/11, why does the media keep saying that he is and the government saying that he is?
why are they lying? and how can i trust them?

ladies and gentlemen, you can look that all up for yourself. and you should. and thats my challenge for you, if you sincerely care about the truth. all of that takes no more then a few minutes of time and i would certainly say that the lives of nearly 3000 people on that day, those who have died sinse from inhaling the air(that the government lied about,a crime of murder in itself), those who have had bombs and bullets kill them..the hundreds of thousands of civilians and the soldiers, and every persons civil liberties and the future of the country and world, are worth that much time. once you open that door though, there is no turning back. trust the facts, don't play politics, seek only truth and justice..murder is not democrat or republican, it is murder..truth is truth...this has nothing to do with "victory" for either side of the fence. there are people from all sides of the fence demanding the truth together. those who believe the governments official story are now in the minority, and that number is steadily shrinking, especially after this last weekend. people are learning, people are looking for themselves, the country and the world is showing life.


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