Friday, June 09, 2006

If You Are a CIA Shill Please Raise Your Hand

These guys crack me up. Pat mentioned earlier how the Truthers were holding their own little Woodstock selling DVDs to each other. Now it appears that one of the Truthers, in responding to the NY Times article on the convention, is denouncing Loose Change as part of a CIA disinformation campaign.

• “There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch “Loose Change”, the seminal movement DVD.” (16th paragraph) – This is one of the biggest whoppers of all. I have watched “Loose Change” and in my expert opinion it is a very fine piece of CIA disinformation, one that fits an astute maxim by Professor Peter Dale Scott: “Disinformation, in order to be effective, must be 90% accurate.”Even though the film opens with some of my original research (including images taken from the FTW web site), it quickly sinks into a repeatedly debunked and confabulated hypothesis that no airliner hit the Pentagon.

This film is so slickly produced (and on such a large budget) that it is hard to believe that amateur filmmakers could have made it. Once the audience buys into all the credible research at the front, they are quickly swept away in a flood of easily impeached high-tech nonsense, and that was the film’s intent.Not long before “Loose Change” was released, a recently retired high-ranking US Naval officer approached me and tried to sell me on the claim that no plane hit the Pentagon. He even claimed that he had been inside the Pentagon on 9-11 and had seen no aircraft wreckage.

He kept pushing but could not persuade me, because (as I told him) I was aware of more than 130 independent, non-military eyewitnesses who had been traveling on nearby I-395 who swore that they did see an airliner hit the Pentagon. Having driven on I-395 many times, I know that they had a perfect view.

Of course the Loosers are not going to take this sitting down, so they immediately start accusing Mr. Ruppert of himself being part of the plot:

Hey Dylan

You know this means that "Loose Change" is very close to the mark of what really occured on 9/11 If it was not, they would not even be mentioning you and Loose Change!!!

Of course no plot would be complete without the theories:

LOL! Speaking of CIA, Rupert, and ex LAPD detective, says he recruited by them but declined.

Mmmmkay...He's so obsessive about peak oil and pushing the resulting CFR depopulation plans, most likely, HE'S the "intelligence" plant.

Is there anyone who is not working for the CIA? I haven't been getting my checks, it is starting to tick me off.

41 Comments:

At 09 June, 2006 13:37, Blogger Falco98 said...

I like how the CTs are so undivided against the *actual* truth, but when person "A" sees through flimsy the fallacies of person "B", it automatically means "B" is a plant by "the man", and then when person "B" feels insulted it means person "A" is a part of the plot.
I guess they'll just keep chasing their tails thus without ever realizing that all their heads are in the clouds...

 
At 09 June, 2006 13:41, Blogger Conspiracy Smasher said...

I've been getting my monthly Shill Stipend like clockwork. I suggest you email larry@illuminatti.org for the proper forms....

 
At 09 June, 2006 14:53, Blogger James B. said...

I think I am having problems with my TPS report...

 
At 09 June, 2006 15:54, Blogger JoanBasil said...

The 3 fellows who made Loose Change don't seem to be into this stuff. Didn't they work out something with the Naudet brothers over a lawsuit?

 
At 09 June, 2006 18:54, Blogger dman said...

How does one become a Shill? How
much does it pay? What are the
benefits? Do we get our own cloak
and dagger? What about TWEP
(terminating with extreme prejudice
any moonbats we encounter?

 
At 09 June, 2006 20:43, Blogger Alex said...

How does one become a Shill?

It's a long and involved process, including interviews, a background and credit check, aptitude, physical, and medical testing, as well as a mystical lake-side bonfire ceremony involving the swearing of allegiance to the Zionist flag. That last bit is where you learn all the secret handshakes.

How much does it pay?

The base pay rate is $21,000 per annum, however, side benefits include full medical and dental, free air-travel, being pre-warned about all plots to crash airliners into buildings, stock options in Halliburton, and insider-trading tips for Boeing and AA stock.

What are the benefits?

Look under "how much does it pay".

Do we get our own cloak and dagger?

This is one of the many myths centering around the modern Zionist/CIA Shill movement. In fact, both cloaks and daggers were phased out more than 4 decades ago. You will however receive a complimentary yarmulke, as well as a copy of The Protocols of Zion, and Donald Rumsfields best seller hit "Torture for Dummies" to help you adapt to the Shill way of life.

What about TWEP (terminating with extreme prejudice any moonbats we encounter?

While the opportunity for TWEP is certainly present, the Zionist/CIA Shill movement strongly encourages that you refrain from terminating any moonbats whom you may encounter. Instead, we suggest that you contact the NSA in order to arrange for illegal wiretaps to be installed on their phones. This is guaranteed to provide hours of entertainment, à la "Half Baked". We never get tired of listening to potheads whining about their fascist mothers demanding that they get out of the basement and find a job. However, if termination has become a priority objective, we suggest you contact your nearest CIA representative to arrange for an assassin on a grassy knoll, or hellfire missiles from a black helicopter. After all, we wouldn’t want to have anyone killed without a conspiracy being formed about it.

 
At 10 June, 2006 05:29, Blogger BG said...

I'm an ONI shill, not CIA.

 
At 10 June, 2006 08:00, Blogger Alex said...

"I'm an ONI shill, not CIA."

I find it difficult to beleive that you'd be able to find employment with any organization whose name includes the word "intelligence".

 
At 10 June, 2006 13:59, Blogger nesNYC said...

LOL! Thanks for quoting me.

How does one become a Shill?

You guys all qualify, in fact, you're giving away your services for free. You should contact the appropriate authorities and get your $$ :D

 
At 10 June, 2006 14:33, Blogger undense said...

You guys all qualify, in fact, you're giving away your services for free. You should contact the appropriate authorities and get your $$ :D

Bbbbut, how can we tell if those authorities are part of the conspiracy or not? Even you Loosers have to be extra careful ever since the LC forum was infiltrated by the disinformers, don't you?

/glances carefully through the venetian blinds

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:28, Blogger Alex said...

It's easy. If they try to back up any part of the "official story", they're part of the conspiracy. Also, if they pretend to be opposed to the "official story", but make easily-debunkable claims, they're either part of the conspiracy or working for those who are part of the conspiracy.

Right in-sync? Back me up here buddy.

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:32, Blogger nesNYC said...

It's easy. If they try to back up any part of the "official story", they're part of the conspiracy. Also, if they pretend to be opposed to the "official story", but make easily-debunkable claims, they're either part of the conspiracy or working for those who are part of the conspiracy.

Right in-sync? Back me up here buddy.


Your answers are here:

COINTELPRO

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:34, Blogger shawn said...

Wow the moron doesn't even get how ridiculous it is to try to support that claim.

Where's your evidence COINTELPRO still operates?

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:37, Blogger shawn said...

Hell, by nesnyc's logic, he's a member of COINTELPRO. His points are easier to debunk than Loose Change's.

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:41, Blogger Alex said...

You know, as insane as it is, you just gotta love the simplicity inherent in such an outlook on life. There's no need to argue, or study, or modify your beleifs when confronted by opposition. You simply label your oponent a COINTELPRO operative, and carry on with your gormless diatribes. It's even an improvement over the practices of the religious extremists: simply labeling your oposition as heathans, and claiming that you must be right because God said so. It must be truly awesome to be able to maintain such a mindset.

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:50, Blogger nesNYC said...

Where's your evidence COINTELPRO still operates?

"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

George Santayana


In the 60's, there was no evidence cointel was happening THEN but it indeed WAS as it was later discovered. Just because the cointel ops don't leave a paper trail like they used to doesn't mean their not playing the same game. Come on! Use that brain matter between your eyes!!!!

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:52, Blogger Alex said...

"Just because the cointel ops don't leave a paper trail like they used to doesn't mean their not playing the same game."

No, but it also doesn't mean that they ARE still playing the same game. He didnt' ask for your opinion, he asked for your evidence.

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:53, Blogger nesNYC said...

It must be truly awesome to be able to maintain such a mindset.

You should understand this first hand since you blame everyone else except the Government where the finger of blame should rightfully point.

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:57, Blogger Alex said...

The thing is, I have fairly solid evidence linking the people I blame for the events I blame them for. I don't go around saying that muslims are responsible for Pearl Harbour, Nazi death camps, faking the moon landing, and overthrowing the USSR. And I don't create new versions of events once others show me new evidence. Nor do I blow off evidence presented by others by saying they're an "al-qaeda dissinformation operative", or a "commie pinko liar". In other words, there's absolutely zero similarity between the way I analyze data, and the way you "analyze data".

 
At 10 June, 2006 15:58, Blogger shawn said...

Just because the cointel ops don't leave a paper trail like they used to doesn't mean their not playing the same game.

See, you err on the wrong side EVERY time. When there is no evidence for something, you're supposed to assume it didn't happen.

Never heard "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence"?

It's like you use antilogic at every turn.

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:00, Blogger shawn said...

You should understand this first hand since you blame everyone else except the Government where the finger of blame should rightfully point.

man, you love speaking backwards.

You blame the government over everyone else, no matter what the evidence, and if it contradicts your viewpoints it must be disinformation from the government.

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:00, Blogger Alex said...

Shawn, this guy's version of Occam's Razor couldn't cut melted butter :)

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:02, Blogger shawn said...

Shawn, this guy's version of Occam's Razor couldn't cut melted butter :)

hahha too true.

Though I doubt he even knows what Occam's Razor is.

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:13, Blogger Alex said...

Heh, wanna bet he write back saying "I prefer "Gillette Mach 3"?

His approach is more like Occam's Hammer. Slam as many different factors into a theory as possible, then draw as many conclusions as you can. He must have forgotten the word "non" in "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem".

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:16, Blogger nesNYC said...

No, but it also doesn't mean that they ARE still playing the same game. He didnt' ask for your opinion, he asked for your evidence.

The evidence is that COINTEL ops are still happening. The most famous in recent times is that of the '93 Trade Center Bombing were federal agents setting up a "sting" operation gave the bombing informant live explosives. This was all documented in the court transcripts as the informant saw he was being used and recorded FBI agents giving him the orders. You can't have anything more solid than that now could you?

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:28, Blogger shawn said...

The evidence is that COINTEL ops are still happening.

That isn't COINTEL, you moron.

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:30, Blogger Alex said...

An FBI sting operation is now cointepro?

Huh???

Can you go for more than 2 minutes without making some massively ridiculous leaps of logic? I can't even argue with you because your arguments are so inconsistant that half the time I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say.

 
At 10 June, 2006 16:32, Blogger shawn said...

Nesnyc, since you know next to nothing about practically everything you yourself post, I'll let you in on a little secret...(COINTELPRO was used to discredit radical groups of AMERICANS, not to sabotage plans by foreign jihadists to murder Americans).

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:01, Blogger nesNYC said...

Can you go for more than 2 minutes without making some massively ridiculous leaps of logic? I can't even argue with you because your arguments are so inconsistant that half the time I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say.

Holy freakin' shit! Why, why, why do I have to spell things out for you people? What you really have to do is stop taking the official stories as fact for a minute and think "what if." It will all fall into place.

COINTELPRO is an acronym for a series of FBI counterintelligence programs designed to neutralize political dissidents.

Question, does FBI still run counterintelligence operations and programs? If, then COINTELPRO is still alive! Duh.

In the case of the '93 bombing, the sting was successful in that the FBI knew the exact detail of the bombing at all stages of the operation. If one was to try and discredit Muslims using a [counterintelligence] operation, wouldn't setting them up to commit crimes the perfect solution to discredit them? It also plants the idea in people's minds to expect more.

That's how Black Panthers and FALN were set up to take the fall in the 60's and 70's. Your "tax/tribute" $$'s hard at work there.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:03, Blogger shawn said...

Question, does FBI still run counterintelligence operations and programs? If, then COINTELPRO is still alive! Duh.

Wrong. COINTELPRO was only against internal political dissidents. The sabotage of FOREIGNERS attacking American interests is not counterintelligence against American political dissidents.

You obviously needed it spelled out for you. I know you won't back down, because you'll never admit you were wrong, but I figured I'd throw out the problem with your logic.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:04, Blogger shawn said...

The FBI didn't set up Ramzi and company to do the bombing! They were going to have someone infiltrate their group and replace the explosives with something harmless.

God, do you even read your own sources?

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:05, Blogger Alex said...

Ok, so your premise is that investigating a crime is actualy counterintelligence? So, if the cops know that there's a drug deal about to take place, they're not attempting to apprehend suspects, they're trying to "discredit dissidents"? Wow. Your world must be one messed up place.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:17, Blogger nesNYC said...

They were going to have someone infiltrate their group and replace the explosives with something harmless.

That someone was named Emad A. Salem and he did in fact notified the FBI when this thing was going down so as to prevent it but they didn't. He recorded them giving him the orders; it's all on tape and court transcripts.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:22, Blogger shawn said...

And that makes this COINTELPRO how?

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:23, Blogger nesNYC said...

COINTELPRO was only against internal political dissidents.

At that time? Last I check, the Black Panthers are no more and the new kids on the Block are the Muslims.

But you think COINTEL was simply on official operation, it wasn't. It was a series of infiltrations, stings, dirty trick and other provocations to make these groups commit crimes whereas the whole would then take the fall. In that, it was a strategy to discredit, confuse and shut down these groups. The COINTEL strategy can easily be used against any group, domestic or international. Why does it simply need to be confined to the shores of the US? Answer, it doesn't.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:30, Blogger nesNYC said...

And that makes this COINTELPRO how?

This operation has all the hallmarks of a COINTEL op.

1. They deceptively infiltrated the group with and agent provocateur
2. They facilitated in the manufacture of the explosives
3. They guided the operation along and then didn't stop it so as to discredit Muslims in general.
4. This in turn planted in the American psyche that Muslims were capable and prepared them for the coming attack on 9/11 and the subsequent "War on Terror."

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:33, Blogger shawn said...

This operation has all the hallmarks of a COINTEL op.

For the last goddamn time, COINTELPRO was for discrediting DOMESTIC political dissidents, NOT foreign jihadists.

Oh please, now you think the government is anti-Muslim? Bush has been bending over backwards to portray Islam as a religion of peace.

 
At 10 June, 2006 17:41, Blogger Alex said...

Meanwhile, at the same time as we were "trying to make the muslims look like the bad guys by having them try to blow up the WTC" (according to in-sync), we were spending money and getting our soldiers killed in Bosnia in order to protect Bosnian mulsims from being slaughtered by Christian Serbs.

Makes sense to me.

 
At 10 June, 2006 19:02, Blogger shawn said...

Makes sense to me.

But don't you see?! We were saving a population of Muslims from genocide in order to use as cover for when we started our war against the brown people!

 
At 10 June, 2006 23:31, Blogger Alex said...

Yep, we really hate those brownies. All that humanitarian aid we keep pumping into their countries is really just a cover so when we start killing them it'll look like we're just trying to help.

There's conspiracies everywhere!

 
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