Have You Ever Heard a Quiet Fire?
The conspiracy theorists are always going on about explosions in the World Trade Center, and how this proves that there were demolitions used. Loose Change spent several minutes on this issue. I have asked them repeatedly, and I never seem to get an answer, if a jetliner smashes into a building at 500 MPH is it supposed to be nothing but windchimes and elevator music? What is it supposed to sound like? Thankfully, I have never been in the situation, but I would imagine it would sound like the world was coming to an end.
But regardless, in massive building fires, explosions happen, stuff burns, heats up, explodes, crashes to the ground. Ask any firefighter, it is a dangerous, chaotic, noisy experience. Here is an example. Does this prove that demolitions were behind this building fire? I suspect Karl Rove... OK, it was in Spain, Carlos del Rove then?
H/T Markyx
A raging fire swept through the upper levels of an empty, 32-story office building in downtown Madrid early Sunday, causing no serious injuries but collapsing the top floors in a shower of flaming debris.
Bright orange flames shot out the sides of the Windsor Building, which is near one of Madrid's main boulevards.
The fire started around 11:30 p.m. Saturday and was still burning out of control several hours later. At least nine upper stories were on fire and muffled explosions could be heard in the building.
It continues:
The blaze was still raging out of control in the early hours of Sunday, having reached a fire wall on the 17th floor and reached almost to street level. Explosions could be heard within the building and authorities cordoned off a zone some 500 metres in diameter in case it should collapse.
And why did they cordon off the area? Don't they know that fire can't cause a building collapse?
posted by James B. @ 4:51 PM
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Well DUH guys!!
The building was in danger of collapse and needed to be cordoned off because it didn't have the extra material and stability that is easily provided by a 767 flying into it at 500+ miles per hour.
Shredded bits of aluminum fuselages have been proven to reinforce any structure over 3 stories high.
It's true, I read it on Wikipedia.
Explosions? In a fire?!
Now you're just pulling my leg.
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what really irks me is the video featuring that smug-looking hippie dude narrating from the pier in hoboken where he videoed the towers' collapse. the whole time he makes smug assertions (at least half of which i could answer immediately by inserting some real-world logic and common-sense)... i just wanna hit him. but some new yorker will probably take care of that for me.
anyway: the whole time the video (along with inferring that helicopters are dropping bombs on the buildings, which is so silly that the video editor may as well claim they're martian flying saucers abducting the survivors), they keep making note of these soft, low-rumbling "explosions", as if to say that these sounds are explosions of demolition shortly before the buildings will collapse. My problem? haven't you ever heard the sound of wind blowing across the mic of a camcorder??? I'm willing to accept that there were explosions to be heard, but I have to wonder how a camcorder a few miles away across the river is somehow uncovering covert evidence that nobody at the base of the fucking buildings noticed. (this is all pre-collapse, i should re-emphasize).
If anyone's confused by which conspiradroid video i'm talking about, i believe this is the one.
Listen to this Interview (from earlier today)
Interview: BYU Physicist Steven Jones
Didn't we already discredit Jones?
And how could we have "hard evidence" of bin Laden being involved in 9/11? We didn't have hard evidence of Manson committing any murders, but he's in jail for the rest of his life for ordering a bunch of murders.
Shawn,
This, Summation of Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi in the Charles Manson (Tate-LaBianca Murder) Trial, seems to explain the criminal standard for a conspiracy to commit murder charge.
Let see, though, you guys think conspiracy theory is bunk......
Hmmm. It's a good think you weren't jurors in the Manson trial.
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But regardless, in massive building fires, explosions happen, stuff burns, heats up, explodes, crashes to the ground. Ask any firefighter, it is a dangerous, chaotic, noisy experience.
Hey, that's not what some fire fighters on 9/11 said, there were there and their radio transmissions don't lie. Also none of the above produces any sizable readings on a Richter scale.
Does it mean we should stop chasing him? He did support indirectly to the attacks.
Did they really even start chasing him? I doubt it. As we all know, the wars were for other reasons that are now clearly evident.
As for him supporting the attacks, he denied involvement so I can't see how he was supporting them.
Listen to this Interview (from earlier today)
Interview: BYU Physicist Steven Jones
Wow! I do belive we have the smoking guns!!!!!
Didn't we already discredit Jones?
No.
No.
I believe we did, jackass.
Good news on the war front, reports indicate Zarqawi is dead.
You know Joan, I love how eyewitnesses are your best friend until they report something that goes against your theory.
Then it's, "Well eyewitnesses are never credible."
"People jumped out of the building from fear; I don't think it was in any way a decision to get away from the fire by jumping out of the building.
.......
I'm....truly....at a loss for words. Up to this point I'd thought you were fairly intelligent, but totally misguided. Now....how the hell am I supposed to answer that? You think....what? That people saw a waste-paper basket on fire, panicked, and threw themselves out the window? Wow. Just.....wow.
Joan.... Good God.
Do you honestly believe people would commit suicide out of FEAR?!?! Do you think 200+ people opted to never see thier wives/husbands/children/parents again because it was less scarey to jump?
I would LOVE for you to tell that to a surviving family member.
"Your husband made you a widow and left you to raise two kids on your own because basically, when you boil it down, he was a chicken shit."
No Joan.... They jumped because they had. No. Other. Choice.
People jumped out of the building from fear; I don't think it was in any way a decision to get away from the fire by jumping out of the building.
Wow. That was incredibly stupid.
I wonder if Joan would have said the same thing of the jumpers at the Triangle Fire? The poor wee gals must have just been a bit frightened.
Methinks there are some strawmen in the room.
First, can someone tell me where is the 'official version' of events that mentions propane stoves? Until you can provide that from an 'official source' you're just beating strawmen.
As for what Rodriguez saw and heard, Fuel air explosions are not small, nor gentle.
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Ha ha ha ha!!! 2 500 lbs bombs drop on him and they find in one piece? Okay.. Hopefully, he's really dead this time. The last two times didn't help Bu$h's numbers enough, they had to make it look real good this time.
Also, this "event" is perfect for the war party. They get attention deflected from the growing Haditha scandal and "war" will now get accepted by a whole 2% more of Americans. Ya gotta love ;)
Ha ha! Check out the picture of Zarkawi they showed at the Pentagon!!!! Those must have been pretty precise 500 lb bombs to have blown up his body but leave his head intact!!!!! LMAO!
Ugh... It was so much more pleasant when you were away at conspiracy camp Nesnyc.
Also, this "event" is perfect for the war party. They get attention deflected from the growing Haditha scandal and "war" will now get accepted by a whole 2% more of Americans. Ya gotta love ;)
Since you nothing about Iraqi culture, research blood money. Then you might be more skeptical (funny how you're only 'skeptical' when it comes to an American claim).
Ha ha! Check out the picture of Zarkawi they showed at the Pentagon!!!! Those must have been pretty precise 500 lb bombs to have blown up his body but leave his head intact!!!!! LMAO!
Wasn't just his head left, killer. And didn't you see the aftermath when the Israelis took out the Hamas sheik? I could still make out his face.
you know nothing*
Wasn't just his head left, killer. And didn't you see the aftermath when the Israelis took out the Hamas sheik? I could still make out his face.
Now I know you guys are smoking sumthin' Did you get a load of the bombs going off from the videos? And we are to expect to see his head in one piece and not even his hair burned off? Yeah, it's like that passport found on 9/11; dejavu all over again!
Now I know you guys are smoking sumthin' Did you get a load of the bombs going off from the videos? And we are to expect to see his head in one piece and not even his hair burned off? Yeah, it's like that passport found on 9/11; dejavu all over again!
Way to not answer my post and just move on to something else. Zaqwari probably wasn't even killed by the explosive itself, but by the collapsing structure.
Zarqawi*
In 2001, 4 Canadian soldiers were killed and 8 wounded by a 500lb bomb dropped from an American fighter. I'm well aquainted with that incident because one of the dead was a friend of mine. None of those 12 were inside a structure which could have mitigated the effects of the blast. They were spread over an open field. The 4 dead would have been roughly 20 meters apart, with the closest 2 wounded being another 5 meters out on either side. So the damage caused by the bomb only caused fatalities within a 20-25 meter area. And this is OUTSIDE, in OPEN GROUND. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that, were a 500lb bomb to hit a building, the majority of the blast would be absorbed by the structure. People inside would not be "blown to shreds", they would be killed by either over-pressure, or falling debris.
In-Sync, don't you EVER get tired of being wrong?
Yeah, we lost 3 guys from 5th group unfortunately when they accidently called in a 2000lb JDAM within 100 meters of their position in open terrain. It also injured Hamid Karzai, but it did not vaporize them.
You are insane, look at the pictures of the towers. The steel beams on the exterior were warping under the heat. The top was leaning. When the second tower collapsed they predicted it a couple of minutes ahead of time, they could see the progression.
Maybe it was just a really slooooooooowwwwww controlled demolition?
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Joan's back! I'm scared!! Quick someone find me a 92nd floor window to jump out of....
They jumped from the WTC out of fear, not to save themselves.
You. Are. Unbelieveable.
Obviously they knew that the jumping scenario would not end with them safely at home having dinner with their families. They knew they were going to die. Either by flame (which I hear is quite painful) or by suffocation(which is equally unpleasant). They opted to go out on their terms.
What EXACTLY were they afraid of Joan? Please... enlighten us.
Can anyone look over the last 5 years and NOT say "We need more skepticism" after the "smoking gun turns into a mushroom cloud" crap that got us into this Iraq situation?
Yes, any intelligent, reasonable individual could. You're just pissed off because you were too dumb to understand the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place. It's not my fault, nor is it Pres. Bush's fault, that the media chose to fixate on the WMD issue, and that most people have such selective hearing that they can't recall any of the other reasons.
They jumped from the WTC out of fear, not to save themselves.
If that's the way YOU act, I would LOVE to catch you standing by a window some time just so I can sneak up and yell "BOO!".
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