Tuesday, July 18, 2006

More Science from Spooked911

This time he's got a challenge:

1) Obtain the Microsoft Flight Simulator Software and install it.

2) Learn to fly a Cessna 172 prop plane (if you already are a pilot, you can skip this).

3) Download and install the Boeing 767 plug-in, and take-off from Boston Logan airport.

4) Navigate to Manhattan as fast and efficiently as possible, then accelerate to 540 mph-- and on your FIRST ATTEMPT, fly perfectly through the middle of lower Manhattan, where the WTC used to be.

5) Let me know if you succeed.

If you DO succeed, also try a run taking off from Washington Dulles with a Boeing 757, going west for an hour, then turn around, and navigate to the Pentagon and try the "Hani Hanjour maneuver" (a 270 degree turn at 500 mph, then level off and approach the Pentagon on a flat approach, only a few feet off the ground.


Of course, you know what the toughest part of this challenge is? No, it's not buying Microsoft Flight Simulator. It's the part where you have to "take-off from Logan Airport". I've got an older Flight Simulator program; I think the name was F-2000, which simulated the entire San Francisco Bay Area. Drove me crazy trying to learn how to take-off with that plane. Apparently the designers realized that this was difficult, because they included an option where you could just take over the controls in mid-air (as happened on 9-11).

And when that difficult part was removed, flying the plane itself was actually quite easy.

24 Comments:

At 18 July, 2006 07:58, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I have a MUCH better idea! Go out and buy CnC Generals, and start a map against 7 computer opponents, ALL ON THE HIGHEST DIFFICULTY!!

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:02, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like, hey man, I mean, it's an experiment - and if he can't do it, it can't be done.

I mean, it's like the science in Loose Change - you can't argue with science.

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:05, Blogger MarkyX said...

Aww man a GAME challenge.

I really want to test this out, and I'll record it using FRAPS.

I'll play his game, if I can find a copy cheap or a friend.

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:15, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

At first I didn't even want to validate the suggestion with a reply, but its so annoying, I was compelled.

A VIDEO GAME IS NOT SCIENCE!!!

I wish someone would take these people aside, shake the F@#king S^*t out of them, hit them with a big rubber hammer, and then put them back on the shelf where they came from.

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:42, Blogger Chad said...

If only the 9/11 Commission, NIST, and FEMA had thought of this idea first, maybe we wouldn't have as many woos as we do.

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:43, Blogger CHF said...

All the reports from engineers and flight safety experts mean absolutely nothing.

But some idiot on his MicroSoft Flight Simulator?

Now THAT'S evidence.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:46, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

The other problem is that if this guy can't complete what he is talking about, how would that prove that this can't be done anyway? All this tells us is that he just sucks at video games. And he probably does. No matter what the result, I would challenge him to Street Fighter II(any edition). He will feel the wrath of the TIGER UPPERCUT!!

 
At 18 July, 2006 08:46, Blogger debunking911 said...

I've had flight sims for some time. It's not as hard to fly a 757/767 as it is flying a 747. 757 and 767 aren't as sluggish. I could hit any building with one. Especially one with the washington monument in the background. The towers would have been a breeze. Much of the flight was "Set it, and forget it". On the top of the instrument panel is the auto pilot. Set the VOR airspeed and alt. Only an absolute moron could screw it up.

As for the time, I have 2004 on my laptop. I'll see if I can do it though it's been a while and I don't have my wheel and rudders anymore.

 
At 18 July, 2006 09:06, Blogger Manny said...

It's true. Also, the PNAC learned that if you learn just 5 patterns you could eat all the dots on any Pac-man level (PNAC = PAC-N = PAC MAN, of course) and that's how they decided to "eat" the Middle East and advance their plans.

"BIN laden" = Blinky
"New PearL Harbor" = Pinky
"Islam" = Inky
"World Trade CENTER" = Clyde

Duh.

 
At 18 July, 2006 09:13, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

"BIN laden" = Blinky
"New PearL Harbor" = Pinky
"Islam" = Inky
"World Trade CENTER" = Clyde

Woooaoaahh, hey man, I think I need to put that in my new version. Loose Change Final Final FInal Cut 26.

 
At 18 July, 2006 09:17, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

PNAC gets the big dot, those guys turn blue, and then they become the hunted!!!

 
At 18 July, 2006 13:12, Blogger undense said...

His challenge forgot something. Spend some hours in a 757/767 flight simulator first, then try it.

I bet it becomes much easier when you're already familiarized with the controls layout and flight characteristics.

But why let niggling little considerations like that screw up a conspriacy theory?

 
At 18 July, 2006 13:32, Blogger apathoid said...

I'd bet good money that any decent flight sim geek could pull this off 99 times out of 100, even taking-off and navigating to the DC, NYC areas..

Much of the flight was "Set it, and forget it". On the top of the instrument panel is the auto pilot. Set the VOR airspeed and alt. Only an absolute moron could screw it up.

Indeed, I cant stress how easy it would be to takeover an airliner thats already on autopilot, and steer it into a building. They didnt even need to track VORs either. The Navigation Display has the ability to map all airports, VORs, NDBs etc..to a distance of 320 miles, by simply turning the heading knob they could track a general course into their target areas.
If the hijackers had read up on FMS navigation at all, a few deft keystrokes would have done all of the hard work of descending and navigating for them. All that would have to be done at the last minute is to disconnect the autopilot and point the nose at the building. Pretty simple.

 
At 18 July, 2006 14:12, Blogger Pepik said...

You people probably thought this was to obvious to point out, but if you don't mind, I will.

1. Take off from Boston Logan Airport.

Alright, step one and you already got it wrong. The hijackers didn't do the take off.

2. Hit it on your first try.

Why the first try? Because the highjackers couldn't have bought a copy of flight simulator and practiced it a THOUSAND times? How about this: get a commercial pilots license, and then practice EXACTLY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN for months on a flight simulator. Then see if you can do it "first try".

 
At 18 July, 2006 15:10, Blogger debunking911 said...

You don't even need to take the auto off. Just pull the wheel enough and it automatically shuts off.

 
At 18 July, 2006 15:20, Blogger nesNYC said...

And when that difficult part was removed, flying the plane itself was actually quite easy.

Yeah, it's easy to steer the plane, but is it easy to navigate? Did you take the challenge? Let me shed a little light here, IT CAN'T BE DONE!

 
At 18 July, 2006 15:25, Blogger nesNYC said...

But some idiot on his MicroSoft Flight Simulator?

If it was good enough to convict Moussaoui, it is good enough to disprove the 9/11 official fictional bullshit.

 
At 18 July, 2006 15:27, Blogger shawn said...

If it was good enough to convict Moussaoui, it is good enough to disprove the 9/11 official fictional bullshit.

Let me save you the trouble - "the jooooos did it!"

 
At 18 July, 2006 16:00, Blogger apathoid said...

You don't even need to take the auto off. Just pull the wheel enough and it automatically shuts off.

Yep, but it does take quite a bit of force to actually move the column when its on autopilot, particularly at high speed. There are force transducers which make it difficult so the crew doesnt inadvertantly disconnect. Many years ago, an L1011 crashed into the everglades because the crew bumped the column forward and started a slow descent into the swamp. All 3 crewmembers were busy trying to figure out how to relamp an inop light and werent aware of what was going on. Sad, but true..

Nessie said...
Yeah, it's easy to steer the plane, but is it easy to navigate? Did you take the challenge? Let me shed a little light here, IT CAN'T BE DONE!

Good God man. To quote Shawn. "Do you ever get tired of being dead wrong?"
1. They(the hijackers) had pilots licenses which means they knew how to naviagate. Its not rocket science, especially on a highly automated jet.
2. If it cant be done, every pilot in the world(particularly every 757/767 pilot) would be up in arms. But they arent. Only one poseur who isnt a pilot at all (Nila Sagadevan) thinks it cant be done. EVERY PILOT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD knows how easy it was to do what the hijackers did. You idiots just cant come to terms with it...

 
At 19 July, 2006 06:44, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

I hate to be the first one to ask the obvious.

But if it's so bloody impossible to hit a building, then how can a pilot hit the runway (wich isn't much wider) when he lands?

Uhhh... oops?

 
At 19 July, 2006 10:05, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Better yet Sword,

"How do pilots routinely land on aircraft carriers, even at night, despite that fact that they are a moving platform?"

Let us all share a hearty laugh at those who believe crashing a plane into a large building is "too difficult". Crashing a plane is the EASIST thing to do! Even I could do it and I have NO FLYING EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER!!!

 
At 22 July, 2006 00:37, Blogger STH said...

I find it interesting that the Hijackers were able to locate their targets without any help from traffic controlers. A map and a compass? Also the blame for the lack of any sort of interception leads directly to Donald Rumsfeld..

This means that up till June 1 of 2001 generals were in control of aircraft piracy (hijackings)

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction
CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued to provide
"guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO),
National Military Command Center (NMCC), and
operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy
(hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects."
This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997.

This CJCSI states, "In the event of a hijacking, the
NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA.
The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as
authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to
the Secretary of Defense for approval."

Reference D refers to Department of Defense Directive
3025.15 (Feb. 18, 1997)

 
At 22 July, 2006 08:10, Blogger Alex said...

I find it interesting that the Hijackers were able to locate their targets without any help from traffic controlers. A map and a compass?

I find it interesting that you were able to locate this website without any help from an operator. Did you see a newspaper add, or look it up in a phone-book?

 
At 08 February, 2007 18:23, Blogger Michael said...

All of them are interesting experiments: but what if we are able to eliminate the need for any experiment? I've no wish to be a killjoy if you're still learning MS Simulator, but have a look at the first frames of the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmeAHvb_gM
Is that a sharply banking 767 coming into frame between 0:22 and 0:42? Anybody feel up to commenting on the likely flying skills of whoever might have had his hands on the yoke?

 

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