The "No-Buildings" Theory
Given that the "no-planes" theory seems to be, um, taking off, I thought I'd pursue the next big thing in CT circles: the "no-buildings" theory.
Now, I know what you're thinking already. "Pat, how can you say there were no World Trade Center buildings? We've all seen them hundreds and thousands of times."
Ah, but how many of you have really seen them in person, and not as pixels on your TV screen or computer monitor? Have you ever actually been inside the World Trade Center?
And even if you have seen the WTC, when did you see it? Who's to say it wasn't dismantled shortly after your last visit?
And think about the advantage to the neoconservatives. No need for a controlled demolition. No need to get rid of the bomb-sniffing dogs! No worry about collateral damage.
How did they do it? With holograms. Doubt it? Then look at this:
This also solves some of the anomalies with the collapse of the two buildings. How did the South Tower come straight down after it first started to tilt?
What about the Pentagon? Don't tell me you fell for the existence of the Pentagon? A huge, five-sided building constructed with concentric rings? Don't be absurd. We know Donald Rumsfeld can't account for $2.3 trillion in military spending, could it be the "construction costs" of this pretend building, which my sources tell me is actually a scale model mockup that can be found on the backlot at Universal Studios.
Yes, it's the biggest hoax since the moon landing! I explain it all in my new DVD, Loose Brains, available now for only $17.99 plus $2.99 shipping. You can also order an "Investigate 1941" tee shirt (1941 is the year construction started on the supposed "Pentagon"). By ordering this shirt, you promise to wear it to the planned protest on September 11, 2041 for the 100th anniversary of the groundbreaking. What's that? You didn't know that they "started" building the Pentagon exactly 60 years to the day before 9-11? Could they be any more blatant about it?
posted by Pat @ 7:48 AM
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83 Comments:
Like, hey man, wow, I mean, you nailed it, man, I mean, stop the FINALCUT-PRO, man his has to go in my new film man, Looooose Change 64!
Like hey man, I was never there, so it makes sense - you know, I mean, that's why when I had that thing about the pods, like I forgot that the pods, were really shadows, ya know, I mean, like how was I to know the sun came from the east that morning, and the pods were like the shodows of the engines.
Like wow, I mean, its not like that in Oneonta, ya know.
More Grist for the Mill (the mill being the assertion that 9/11 was a false flag operation):
The web page contains links to the audio archive of:
Taking Aim -- with Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone
I wasn't able to get the mp3 to download in full of one particular show of interest. I was able, however to get the streaming link to work for:
020910/ 9/11: False Flag Operation
Take a listen.
Let me translate the dutch:
We chase shadows, and imaginary bad guys, and make a career for ourselves, because you never catch them.
But hey man, we're just asking questions. And don't like the answer and change the subject.
As Mike Myers famously said:
There's two things I hate.
People who are intolerant of other people's cultures......and the Dutch.
Did you know that before 2004, the last time the Red Sox won the World Series was September 11, 1918? Must be part of the conspiracy.
Let's not check it and present something.
What you do, is go in on subjects, on which you guys have forknowledge, or inexplainable truths, PROOVING otherwise.
What I got from this was: you guys debunk things that you know about, and can't explain the truth (which is the dumbest thing I have yet to see on this blog). The truth isn't 'inexplainable' as it's the TRUTH.
The "no-tail" theory...
Flight 77's Missing Tail Section
Look how big 757 tails are.
Where did it go?
Btw, I've notice a lot of you 9/11 "debunkers" take a lot of things out of context from us 9/11 CT's. Wasn't that one of your main complaints against Loose Change, that they took things out of context?
Saudi Arabia funded the 9/11 attacks but we invade Afghanistan and Iraq
I wonder why we'd invande Afghanistan...might have something to do with the al-Qaeda camps all over the country and the Taliban harboring Osama and his ilk.
Now, Iraq, you have an argument there.
The "no-tail" theory...
Flight 77's Missing Tail Section
Yup, keep repeating it, it might make it relevant (how do you explain those crashes where the tail was destroyed?).
I guess you missed where it hit a concrete building and then was engulfed in a huge fireball. But those magic tail sections...they survive!
How about TWA flight 800?
The plane went down due to faulty wire insulation (and subsequent electrical arc igniting fumes and causes a fuel tank to detonate).
No tail?
Like hey man, like I didn't get much tail either, I mean, before Loose Change, but now there's like Samantha Woodhouse, and like I mean well, you know,
Shawn said... I guess you missed where it hit a concrete building and then was engulfed in a huge fireball. But those magic tail sections...they survive!
I guess you missed the photos in my blog which showed nothing hitting the 3rd story facade!!!
I guess you missed the photos in my blog which showed nothing hitting the 3rd story facade!!!
You notice some windows survived where the wings would've/should've hit? They're blast resistant, genius.
You guys would be the worst defense attorneys on the planet.
"Yes everyone saw my client kidnap the woman. Yes, they saw him cover the car in gasoline. Yes, they saw him light it on fire, BUT the woman's feet are missing. You must acquit."
Although, it's quite similar to how creationists work. They point out the missing "missing link" and ignore the mountains of other evidence to try to say "see, evolution doesn't work!"
Why don't you tell us where you think 6 million jews went, KKKiltown?
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7618
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Goddamit, he's a Holocaust denier? That's just disgusting.
Oh, and Killtown about 1.1 million died at Auschwitz, the 6 million is all the Jews killed in the Holocaust.
Let me correct myself, between 1 million and 1.5 million died at Auschwitz, a majority being Jews.
Shawn said... You notice some windows survived where the wings would've/should've hit? They're blast resistant, genius.
Yes, and? I'm talking about the tail section hitting against the relatively soft limestone. It would have made a mark if it obliterated against it.
Can't you even follow what I'm talking about? It might help if you actually LOOK at my blog.
So, Killtown is a "no-planer"(anywhere) and a holocaust denier. I guess we know how he feels about the Apollo moon landings and JFK.....sheesh.
It truly is a religion to these people. It's quite obvious they can't be swayed by logic, reason, or evidence. they'll believe any conspiracy theory, as long as one person has thought of it. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or can be supported, it's added to the grand CT mythos. I mean you could sorta (I guess) take a CT seriously if they only bought into one (or hell, let's be generous, maybe two), but when they buy into unsupported bull like the grassy knoll shooter or the Holocaust being propaganda you really can't see them as anything but a religious, blind-faith zealot.
Killtown, I gave you examples of high speed aircrashes yesterday where the tail mysteriously disappeared(as well as the rest of the plane). What do you have to say about that? Are they conspiracies too?
He ignores it.
It sounds like Pat agrees with William Rodriguez:
William Rodriguez Says He Saw WTC Plane Parts
apathoid said... So, Killtown is a "no-planer"(anywhere) and a holocaust denier. I guess we know how he feels about the Apollo moon landings and JFK
Curious what do you think "no-planer" means?
Holocaust denier? Apparently you don't read very well.
And please don't tell me you think Oswald did it alone!
apathoid said... Killtown, I gave you examples of high speed aircrashes yesterday where the tail mysteriously disappeared(as well as the rest of the plane). What do you have to say about that? Are they conspiracies too?
Again, address my question about 77's tail section FIRST, then I'll address yours.
And please don't tell me you think Oswald did it alone!
He was the only shooter. There's absolutely no question about that.
Whether there was a grander conspiracy behind his assassination of JFK, you'll have to find better evidence than CTers have given thus far.
Again, address my question about 77's tail section FIRST, then I'll address yours.
Actually he is addressing your question. He's showing how it's not unusual for the major portions of the plane to seemingly disintegrate. Not only that but you ignore how your point matters at all.
Holocaust denier? Apparently you don't read very well.
Holocaust denial refers to people who deny the generally accepted definition of the Holocaust, not just those very rare folks who think it didn't happen at all.
So, you dont deny Germany killed 12 million(give or take) Jews??
6 million Jews, 11 million total dead.
you think all videos, as well as the impact damage were faked.
Wow, the levels of delusion baffle me.
Hey KKKilltown, holocaust denial exists for one reason.
It serves the pourposes of the white power movement. That's it.
As soon as you start questioning the holocaust, you may as well cut eye-holes in your bed sheet and throw it over your head because you're in the Klan now, boy!
The Flight 93 Engines: WTF???
Hey, bg, how about we stop with the creationist tactics, huh?
Shawn said...He was the only shooter. There's absolutely no question about that.
Back and to the left Shawn, back and to the left. Oh wait, his "nerve reaction" caused his head to SNAP VIOLENTLY back and to the left. How silly of me!
Actually he is addressing your question. He's showing how it's not unusual for the major portions of the plane to seemingly disintegrate. Not only that but you ignore how your point matters at all.
Shawn, GO BACK AND READ MY BLOG POST about the missing tail section!!! Obviously you DIDN'T!!!
Shawn said...Holocaust denial refers to people who deny the generally accepted definition of the Holocaust, not just those very rare folks who think it didn't happen at all.
Aw, the "generally accepted definition". Ok, and that would be what, those who think the numbers are wrong? What if I thought 20 million Jews died, does that make me a "holocaust denier"?
Btw, what does all this holocaust stuff have to do about my points about 9/11??? Is it a character assassination attempt by OCT's?
"Don't believe anything Killtown says about 9/11, because he's a HOLOCAUST DENIER!!!"
BG said...The Flight 93 Engines: WTF???
Yes, no 757 crashed in Shanksville. See my Flight 93 page.
apathoid said...I have no desire to look at your blog, so can you sort of summarize what you're trying to get at?
LoL!!! You guys are trying to debunk my claims and you HAVEN'T EVEN READ IT!!!
Man, you guys are killing me!
A quick summary of the missing tail section can be found here:
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-77s-missing-tail-section.html
And btw apathoid, it helps if you READ what you are trying to debunk!
Btw, what does all this holocaust stuff have to do about my points about 9/11??? Is it a character assassination attempt by OCT's?
"Don't believe anything Killtown says about 9/11, because he's a HOLOCAUST DENIER!!!"
Ok, I'l spell it out for you (even though I did a couple posts up).
It speaks of the general psychology of the conspiracy-minded person. They have this odd thought process that history isn't a set of random events, but all has a puppet master behind it. It shows that you'll have faith in a conspiracy theory because you believe in other unsupported nonsense.
I've read your stuff on Flight 93 (and your stuff on the Pentagon). You just repeat the same debunked nonsense, or point out what you see as holes, just as creationists do with evolution.
Will you, in turn, explain the 757 specific debris found at the Pentagon, all the eyewitness accounts of a large passenger jet, the DNA matches for flight 77's occupants, the fact that AA has a 757 missing, the fact that AA is missing all of AA77s flight crew, explain why noone saw AA77 land at its destination or anywhere else?.
He seems to be one of those that sees any evidence against their belief structure as falsified or propaganda.
Killtown, for your tail post to have any relevance (as it stands it's a red herring, which you still haven't adressed) you need to show how all the eyewitnesses wrong, explain the pieces of the plane on the lawn, explain the engine and wheels found inside the Pentagn, and explain where all the people are.
How does Apathoid propose to characterize the eyewitness testimony re: TWA 800?
How many people said it was a missle? All I can recall from back then (and it was quite awhile ago so my memory is fuzzy) was people saying they saw it explode.
Note that TWA800 was flying well above the ceiling for any and all portable missile systems. So it it was destroyed via missile, it was done with a missile from a ship at least Destroyer in size.
If such a craft fired a missile, every crewman would know of it. Especially if it was an accidental launch.
So all these crewmen managed to keep silence? I doubt it.
Another factor: There were simply no missile firing seacraft operating in the area where TWA800 blew up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Salinger_Syndrome
apathoid said...Well, I dont have to read it killtown. I already know how seriously [explicative deleted] up in the head you are.
So how fcuked up in the head am I?
Btw, why are OCT's so vicious to people trying to find out what really happened?
But lets say I go to your blog and "debunk" you(which is not possible because you do not accept evidence).
Oh I don't, huh?
Will you, in turn, explain the 757 specific debris found at the Pentagon, all the eyewitness accounts of a large passenger jet, the DNA matches for flight 77's occupants, the fact that AA has a 757 missing, the fact that AA is missing all of AA77s flight crew, explain why noone saw AA77 land at its destination or anywhere else?.
Ok, but I've already addressed all that on my website.
Shawn said...I've read your stuff on Flight 93 (and your stuff on the Pentagon). You just repeat the same debunked nonsense, or point out what you see as holes
You mean like how OCT's repeated the same debunked nonsense?
and explain where all the people are.
I wasn't a participant in the conspiracy, so how would I know?
You mean like how OCT's repeated the same debunked nonsense?
No, you don't seem to get it. There's a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies actually have support (Iran-Contra, Watergate, etc), conspiracy theories do not (Apollo, JFK, 9/11 "truth", etc).
We are not OCTs, we live in the real world.
Tell me, why does every structural engineer side with us? That's a tad odd, isn't it? oh that's right, because the scientific (objective) evidence supports us. Weird how that works.
I wasn't a participant in the conspiracy, so how would I know?
Excellent shield. "I'm not part of the conspiracy." (I kinda guessed that since you're not a member of al-Qaeda.) But I get what you're saying, you're not part of the "government conspiracy" (which doesn't exist). You can't hide behind the "I don't know, I'm not part of it." It's not a valid defense. You can't "debunk" the footage, you can't "debunk" the eyewitnesses, you can't "debunk" the physical remains of the plane (although Loose Change tried and failed miserably). Could you Orwellian assholes stop your postmodern dance where you separate words from their actual definitions and use them as antonyms (truth becomes lie, objective becomes subjective, evidence becomes bullshit, etc).
Ok, but I've already addressed all that on my website.
Yes, by using the same debunked nonsense that's been addressed over and over again. This is why we say you won't accept evidence. You won't. Anything that destroys your preconceived bias is just completely ignored and you run back to your echo chamber.
Killtown has created a website completely involved in a fantasy world where the rules of logic, reason, and evidence don't apply...just like these guys
Shawn said...No, you don't seem to get it. There's a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies actually have support (Iran-Contra, Watergate, etc), conspiracy theories do not (Apollo, JFK, 9/11 "truth", etc).
Just because something has or doesn't have "support" doesn't mean it's true or not, it just means it's the "accepted" version.
We are not OCTs, we live in the real world.
You believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory don't you (19 Arabs instructed by OBL)?
Tell me, why does every structural engineer side with us? That's a tad odd, isn't it? oh that's right, because the scientific (objective) evidence supports us. Weird how that works.
How many do?
You can't hide behind the "I don't know, I'm not part of it." It's not a valid defense.
Ok, how am I susposed to where the passengers really went?
You can't "debunk" the footage
What footage?
you can't "debunk" the eyewitnesses
You mean like the one's who said it hit the lawn first and "cartwheeled" into the building?
This is why we say you won't accept evidence. You won't. Anything that destroys your preconceived bias is just completely ignored and you run back to your echo chamber.
I won't???
Just because something has or doesn't have "support" doesn't mean it's true or not, it just means it's the "accepted" version.
Ok this is how skepticism works: you accept whatever has the most evidence.
Or perhaps you haven't heard of Occam's Razor. It can be summed up as "keep it simple, stupid". Your grand conspiracies do not do that.
You believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory don't you (19 Arabs instructed by OBL)?
As I said, that's a conspiracy, CT is a derogatory term for ridiculous conspiracies.
How many do?
Zero side with you. Every one who's spoken on the subject is with us. Man, shouldn't you actually be well-read on this subject? You run a website about it and all.
Ok, how am I susposed to where the passengers really went?
You have to answer the question, not answer my question with a question. If we use Occam's Razor here's how it goes. Flight 77 was carrying passengers...that flight no longer exists...its parts were found in and around the Pentagon...ergo they were killed in the crash. That's of course ignoring the DNA evidence.
What footage?
There was footage of the Pentagon crash and it doesn't remotely resemble a missle (and I assume since you don't believe Pentagon was hit by a plane, you don't think WTC was either). Remember, there's no reason to lob a missle at the Pentagon when you have a plane hijacked and you've already crashed two.
You mean like the one's who said it hit the lawn first and "cartwheeled" into the building?
Source. Also, one guy? See how you morons work? If a hundred people saw the plane crash into the Pentagon, and one guy saw a smaller plane or saw it cartwheeled, all the other eyewitnesses should all be questioned now.
I won't???
Your site (and your comments to me at least) show that you won't. There's no evidence for a government conspiracy (unless you consider invading Iraq evidence) besides what's in people's heads. There's no solid evidence for anything but the 'official story'.
Shawn said...Or perhaps you haven't heard of Occam's Razor. It can be summed up as "keep it simple, stupid". Your grand conspiracies do not do that.
Actually, Occam's Razor sides with CT's!
As I said, that's a conspiracy, CT is a derogatory term for ridiculous conspiracies.
It's still a conpiracy theory! The gov't hasn't even proved their case yet!
Zero side with you.
Nice side-step. How many side with YOU?
You have to answer the question, not answer my question with a question.
I was just showing you how foolish it is to ask me a question I couldn't possibly answer. So for the easy answer, I don't know where there are. They are MIA as far as I'm concerned.
That's of course ignoring the DNA evidence.
From the same MILITARY base that identified all of UA 93's passengers?
There was footage of the Pentagon crash and it doesn't remotely resemble a missle
I've proven that footage was totally fabbed, and btw, not saying it was a missile, but it definitely looks more like a missile than a 757!
Source. Also, one guy?
See my witness page.
There's no evidence for a government conspiracy (unless you consider invading Iraq evidence) besides what's in people's heads. There's no solid evidence for anything but the 'official story'.
I think it is YOU who won't accept evidence. Go look at my 'smoking guns' page.
You must have some idea if youre so sure AA77 didnt hit the Pentagon.
My guess would be as good as yours.
Tell me, killtown, how do you feel about the Moon landings?(yes, this is relevant)
We never never landed on the moon???
:-O
Did we land on Mars?
Did FDR know the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl at 0800 on Dec. 7?
Was TWA 800 shot down?
7/7 an inside job?
Illuminati exist?
UFO abductions?
Ghosts?
Clairvoyants??
Chemtrails?
In order:
I assume there is a lander on mars, but I could care less.
I don't know, did he?
I don't know, was it?
Yes, I believe 7/7 was. See Alex Jones' TerrorStorm.
Beats me, I don't care if they do or don't.
I don't know, have there been?
No.
Beats me.
Like "conspiracy chemtrials"? I never really investigated that and have little interest right now.
Actually, Occam's Razor sides with CT's!
Wow, that post was such a ridiculous rationalization of your thought process you'd be laughed out of any class on logic.
Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the best one (although you seem to forget the whole evidence aspect). Hijackers flying planes into buildings is a simpler explanation (and requires less assumptions and jumps and logic) than a vast government conspiracy, planned for years and having to involved at the least hundreds of people, used drone planes/no planes/etc to destroy the buildings to start wars and suppress our freedoms (especially since it's weird they wouldn't blame any Iraqis or plant WMDs in Iraq).
Yes, I believe 7/7 was. See Alex Jones' TerrorStorm.
Yeah, what a great person to turn too. Next I'll call up the National Alliance office to find out about the history of Judaism.
Gratuitous nazi reference
All Nazis are white supremacists, but not all white supremacists are Nazis.
And I didn't mean anything by it, except that his post was ridiculous in who his source was.
Okay, what about the 757 reg# N644AA, where did it go? Any ideas?
The government obviously took it somwhere and erased it from the records. Isn't circular logic fun? C'mon, everyone! Join in!
avery dylan, I'm rapidly becoming a fan of your comments--love your profile as well. :)
Like, Hey man! I mean, you know, like sometimes, I burn the DVD's myself, and put up the posters, in the subway, but you have to be fast, and before you get uptown, you go through downtown twice. You know?
Yes, and? I'm talking about the tail section hitting against the relatively soft limestone. It would have made a mark if it obliterated against it.
Uhm... Was the plane flying backwards in your brain?
I'm still trying to understand your obsession with "tail sections", KT. Why is that the only proof of a plane that you will accept?
Landing gears, engines, passengers body parts... All of those things were found (in addition to other plane parts). Yet you NEED there to be a tail section.
Why?
What a ef-ing wasteland of comments. I guest since Pat's post doesn't rank as one of his more inspired, it's understandable that, with such a low standard set, what following is hooey.
Take a break and read some interesting stuff:
Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules
BG, do you have any more Steve Jones MP3s?
Shawn said...Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the best one (although you seem to forget the whole evidence aspect).
Yes and the simplest explaination as to why there are SO MANY coincidences surrounding 9/11 is that it was an inside job. That would explain ALL the coincidences.
Or are you a coincidence theorist?
Yeah, what a great person to turn too. Next I'll call up the National Alliance office to find out about the history of Judaism.
I don't care what you think of him personally, his 7/7 evidence was solid.
apathoid said...You didnt pass my test, but you didnt do as badly as I thought you might. And you didnt really answer my questions either. When you answer question with questions it means you are trying to hide something..
Your test! Ha! Ok, here's "my test," do you believe any factions in the U.S. gov't has ever committed a conspiracy?
Okay, what about the 757 reg# N644AA, where did it go? Any ideas?
Nope. You?
Chad said...Uhm... Was the plane flying backwards in your brain?
I love OCT'ers methods of debate; insulting!
I'm still trying to understand your obsession with "tail sections", KT. Why is that the only proof of a plane that you will accept?
Landing gears, engines, passengers body parts... All of those things were found (in addition to other plane parts). Yet you NEED there to be a tail section.
Because it's not like I'm asking where a windshield wiper is, I'm asking where is a MAJOR part of the plane.
All of those things you mention could have been planted or lied about, I can't see how a giant tail section can disappear without a trace.
Of course they have....9/11 would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind possibly and not a single whistle has been blown.
See here.
Do you see what a proper usage of Occams Razor wields?
You are making too many assumptions, which you've admitted you cant even explain...
An inside job is the easiest way to explain why there are so many coincidences surrounding 9/11, in accordance with Occam's Razor.
What would you like me to explain?
apathoid said...Killtown, I showed you 2 crash scenes where there was nothing idetifiable, not even a tail. I showed you a video of an entire plane disintigrating on contact with a concrete wall.
I've asked for your explanation, and did not get one...
Well 2 of you pics were from so far away that I couldn't tell what was what other than it did sort of look like an aircraft crash. So you provided bad examples.
The Sandia video actually works in my favor, however you'd have to read my blog to understand how it does.
apathoid said...Summarize it for me, or give me a direct link on your blog that talks about it
Man, i've been telling you to frickin read this blog post from the beginning! Now you'll know why your examples mean nothing for my challenge.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-77s-missing-tail-section.html
You know, in all of these posts I've yet to see any evidence that Killtown has a cranial section. Therefore he must be a cruise missile. Occam's razor proves it!
Delusion at its finest.
Pretty much. These people are beyond retarded. Can't understand how a plane's tail would disintegrate? A giant fucking fireball might be the answer. He still doesn't seem to fathom how this is a non-point.
Yes and the simplest explaination as to why there are SO MANY coincidences surrounding 9/11 is that it was an inside job. That would explain ALL the coincidences.
The thing about humans is we need to find patterns in the data, even when none exist. Heard of the Bible Code? Or recognize shapes in the clouds? All completely random things, that happen to coincide with images or events. Coincidences are called that for a reason.
Occam's Razor doesn't go with your thought process, I'm sorry. It just pisses me off that you think you use even the pretense of logic. You're just like the creationists who think science is on their side ('cause they can't understand that the eye, in all its complexity, could evolve randomly).
What would you like me to explain?
Explain away why the official story has more evidence for it than the "alternate theories".
I don't care what you think of him personally, his 7/7 evidence was solid.
Judging by how you deem what's solid or not, I'm gonna say he has less than zero evidence of any type of inside job.
Murdervillage is giving avery dylan a run for his money.
Shawn said...Pretty much. These people are beyond retarded. Can't understand how a plane's tail would disintegrate? A giant fucking fireball might be the answer. He still doesn't seem to fathom how this is a non-point.
Do you think I believe the tail section should not have disintegrated?
Coincidences are called that for a reason.
So you can have as many coincidences surrounding an event as you want without it suggesting it's a conspiracy instead?
Explain away why the official story has more evidence for it than the "alternate theories".
It does? That's news to me! Do they have over 200 pieces of evidence pointing that the Arabs did it?
Judging by how you deem what's solid or not, I'm gonna say he has less than zero evidence of any type of inside job.
Aw, so you won't even review his evidence? Nice. Where's my blinders?
It does? That's news to me! Do they have over 200 pieces of evidence pointing that the Arabs did it?
Pal, you can fall a fish a monkey, but that doesn't mean it can climb.
So you can have as many coincidences surrounding an event as you want without it suggesting it's a conspiracy instead?
Kill, you may not know this, but coincidences are not evidence. there could be a billion coicidences around 9/11, but if you don't have the solid evidence, it doesn't matter at all.
Aw, so you won't even review his evidence? Nice. Where's my blinders?
Does he bring up the M16 connections like boggle does? You seem to think we all ignore all your fantasy rantings, we don't. Hell, I was one of you until I grew up.
Just a correction: Kennedy was shot twice. (Because I know Killtown will completely miss your point and just point out irrelevant inconsistencies).
Shawn said...Pal, you can fall a fish a monkey, but that doesn't mean it can climb.
I noticed you didn't answer my question.
Kill, you may not know this, but coincidences are not evidence. there could be a billion coicidences around 9/11, but if you don't have the solid evidence, it doesn't matter at all.
So you admit you're a coincidence theorist?
apathoid said...Coincidences?
Strange coincidences between Abraham Lincoln and John F Kennedy
I don't see how those are coincidences, I'd say they are more like strange simularities. I mean what would be the conspiracy theory derived from all those "coincidences"?
I noticed you didn't answer my question.
I guess you didn't get my point. You say you have 200 hundred pieces of evidence. I bet I could find someone with hundreds of pieces of 'evidence' that the moon landing was faked.
Here's what you ignore: the people on the plane said Arabs had hijacked the plane, we have their documents, and we hear them speaking on the black boxes.
If you say that evidence is faked/planted then you are using circular logic and cannot be reasoned with.
So you admit you're a coincidence theorist?
There's no such thing as a coicidence theorists. Coincidences happen all the time. It's only people who don't understand that who through them together to make goofy insinuations.
Instead of reading/watching Alex Jones, read some James Randi and Michael Shermer. You might actually learn something. I know they were a revelation for me.
Shawn said...Instead of reading/watching Alex Jones, read some James Randi and Michael Shermer.
Shermer??? I called him out on his 9/11 hit piece and he was too chicken shit to answer my questions! He is a FRAUD?
I don't see how those are coincidences, I'd say they are more like strange simularities. I mean what would be the conspiracy theory derived from all those "coincidences"?
I just about peed myself laughing when I read that. If you would only stop for a second and look at your "no tail" nonsense in the same way, you'd see exactly how retarded you seem to the rest of us.
All of those things you mention could have been planted or lied about, I can't see how a giant tail section can disappear without a trace.
Really? You can non-chalantly just plant a Boeing 757s landing gear or engines somewhere? An engine?!?!
And what about the even larger fuselage section? Why aren't you worried about that? Are you honestly thinking that tail section should've survived?
'Cause if so, then I think we know where to start your reparative therapy.
You can non-chalantly just plant a Boeing 757s landing gear or engines somewhere?
heh, I'm picturing a cartoon spy walking around..stops...glances around left to right, then quickly yanks a 757 landng gear strut out of his pocket, drops it in a corner, kicks some dirt on it and walks away, hands in pockets, whistling.
heh, whoever said CT fruitcakes didn't have their uses. they're always good for a laugh!
Shermer??? I called him out on his 9/11 hit piece and he was too chicken shit to answer my questions! He is a FRAUD?
I didn't know pointing out inconsistent logic constitutes a "hit piece" nowadays. You morons don't seem to get that they don't have to answer to you.
Randi and Shermer are real skeptics, unlike you disgusting pseudoskeptics.
Here's an odd coincidence.
BG, Killtown and Co. have been proven wrong by evidence eyewitnesses and history, and as such their supposed relevance (not to mention their funding sources) are in danger of drying up and whistling away into permanent irrelevance like broken wind.
Coincidence, or neo-con conspiracy to supress the real truth? Keep in mind - the definition of Occum's Razor, according to Killtown, is not actually the definition of Occum's Razor.
the definition of Occum's Razor, according to Killtown, is not actually the definition of Occum's Razor.
Yeah, it's hilarious how he doesn't understand OCcam's Razor. He says Occam's Razor explains a load of coincidences as a conspiracy...when it fact Occam's Razor would say they're a load of coincidences.
5-sided building? Why do they call it the Pentagon? I don't get it.
Anyway, I'm releasing a documentary that I made. After extensive research (online for 3 days) I've determined conclusively that 9/11 WAS a false flag event...meaning, it never happened. The WTC buildings are actually still standing, we just can't see them with the urban camoflage techniques employed by the NWO. I'll release my documentary on DVD. It will be free of charge, but you have to pay $89.99 for shipping and handling. Hey, I'm not looking to profit here, I just want to get the truth out there.
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