True Respect for the Passengers
Here's a nice little video tribute to Mark Bingham, one of the heroes of Flight 93. Or as Dylan and Uncle Fetzer would say, one of the "alleged" heroes. It's mostly stills of Mark, one of which will surely take your breath away--I know it startled me.
posted by Pat @ 3:53 PM
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"Mom? This is Mark Bingham... You believe me, don't you?"
So do you guys think the REAL Mark Bingham said this to his Mom?
Yes I do. I have often called friends, and identified myself by my full name. Would I do so with my mother, under NORMAL circumstances, no, but Think of the circumstances man.
You should be shamed of yourself for even commenting in this way. I am only glad you had the respect (I hope it was respect) not to say anything directly derogatory, although that can be left to your buddies over at LC.
If the circumstances were so grave, then at the most the real Mark would have said someting like "Mom, this is your son Mark". But no one and I mean no one immediately identifies themselves with their full name to their OWN MOTHER!!!
You believe me, don't you?
(LoL!!!)
Well, does Mark's Mom have a hearing problem?
You are one ignorant, mean sob. I wish someone would show your vile comments to his mother. Maybe then, when she tells you the truth, you'll feel the shame that you should already feel.
You mock the dead. I cannot believe you mock the dead.
and where do you get off telling us how people would react. You have no idea. You weren't there. You think you know how everyone would react in any situation?
"Mock the dead"! How have I "mocked the dead"?
If Mark had said this:
"Mom, it's Mark."
Mark's Mom, "Who?"
"Mark Bingham, your son!"
Then I wouldn't think anything really suspicious about it. But the caller says "Mark Bingham" right off the bat. Totally out of normal character for a person to say to their real Mother.
So do you guys think the REAL Mark Bingham said this to his Mom?
Yes, I beleive that someone who has been told he is at the center of a truly earhshaking event that he may not survive will go out of his way to ensure that he will be remembered accurately.
You on the other hand, will be completely forgotten before you're 40 and will die alone in your parents basement with no one to remember even your nom de guerre let alone your real name.
You must be insanely jealous (and I mean that literally) of Mark Bingham and the heroes of United 93.
Killtown, this is why if I ever met you I would beat your ass.
And this is why it's funny how on the SLC forums you said "funny CTs don't know this and OCTs do". It's because you people are ignoranmuses and/or morons. Any sane person would tell you it's not out of the ordinary for people to say ODD THINGS IN A CRISIS SITUATION.
You on the other hand, will be completely forgotten before you're 40 and will die alone in your parents basement with no one to remember even your nom de guerre let alone your real name.
Funny, I always pictured him around 15-16 years old. Please tell me he hasn't reached adulthood.
Who knows what was going through his head. for starters, he was talking to his aunt I believe, and then the phone was passed to his mom. That is when he said the "Mark Bingham" Line. Perhaps he wanted to make sure she knew it wasnt a cruel prank, perhaps the call was discussed with a fellow passenger before hand, at which time the discussed the need to say their full names.
I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T THERE.
Oh wait...
NEITHER WERE YOU KT.
once again, claiming to know how things should have happened based on 20/20 hinesight.
In the one in a billion chance that we are wrong, then all we have done is been mislead.
In the overwhelmingly like chance that you are wrong, you have mocked the dead, and mocked his family, you have slung mud at them, and insulted them.
Think about that...
alicehoglan@aol.com
that is her email, according to the Mark Bingham forum messageboard.
I was looking at Bingham's memorial site and it hit me why KKKilltown is so quick to pick on him.
We know already that KKKilltown is a jew-hater and a nazi sympathizer, he thinks both Hitler and Osama are innocent:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7618
What likely pisses off KKKilltown is that Mark Bingham was gay.
The whole nation, republican and democrat, black and white, jew and gentile, gay and straight, except for a few loons, all agree that Mark Bingham was a hero. Mark Bingham is most aptly described in the 2nd verse of "America The Beautiful": Oh beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife, Whom more than self thier country loved and mercy more than life.
That someone like Bingham could earn the accolades of a grateful nation and a place of honor in the pages of history just drives KKKilltown nuts. His prejudice and bigotry won't let him stand it, he just has to tear the man down out of a selfish desire to make himself feel like he isn't so small and pathetic.
Maybe it works inside your own little mind, KKKilly-poo. But not with us or the vast majority of your countrymen.
Go fade away, KKKT. We won't be missing you.
I've never thought much of it until I realized how funny it was.
Yeah, it's always hilarious how people say odd things when they're scared out of their mind. How about we chuckle about the guy going nuts over the phone while trapped in the WTC, and then guffaw as we hear him scream as the building collapses.
Man, I really want to beat the [crap] out of you [friggin'] jokes.
You guys do see that he said the word "Mom" to alert his Mom that it was one of her children. But hey, maybe Mrs. Bingham has multiple kids named Mark from different fathers and all her children named Mark know to use their last name to identify themselves to her.
Call me crazy, but I'm going to stick with my gut feeling that it was not really her son who called her.
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Call me crazy, but I'm going to stick with my gut feeling that it was not really her son who called her.
Unfortunately, she says it was him. I think I'm going to go with the woman who gave birth to him over some ignorant kind who doesn't know his [behind] from a hole in the ground.
They can't fake live calls, Einstein. Nor would they, it makes the conspiracy needlessly complex.
Call me crazy, but I'm going to stick with my gut feeling that it was not really her son who called her.
Sorry, mien herr. I can't call you "crazy".
Self centered jealousy and hatred aren't considered mental illnesses.
They can't fake live calls, Einstein.
You're right...oh wait, you're WRONG!!!
When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999
By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
And remember this article was in '99. A lot of advancements can happen in two years.
ahh yes, and so those people on flight 93, who only decided within 24h to take that actual flight, how did the government then get a 10 minute recording of their voice to then use for the fake calls???? pretty short notice, given the whole plan hinges on it....
beyond faking the voice, if, by some freaking mericle, they could, they could never get the tone, the subtext, the sublties that make each of our voices unique. I mean the stuff beyond what your hearing...the context in which things are said....oh ya, and the safe number...howd they get that....hmmmmmmmmmmmm
oh wait, i guess the bad evil government took them to a cave, tortured them or threatened them to speak for 10 minutes, then they took them away and did what with them???
Killtown, do you know what "near" means? Perhaps, you should consult a dictionary.
And excellent use of fallacy that because there have been advancements in the past, we should assume future advancements.
You're right...oh wait, you're WRONG!!!
Given the kind of thibngs you are so outrageously and horribly wrong about, you are in no position to be acting so haughty about anything.
http://www.ushmm.org/
If it was faked, wouldn't they be using a script anyway? So it is just as illogical either way.
Besides, remember, Mark didn't just talk to his mom, he talked to 3 people. Amazing flexibility in a recording. Even if it was a person speaking live, how did he know who was who?
KT, I could absolutely see Bingham saying that if he were distracted. That's one of the very thin reeds that the 9-11 Deniers have staked their fake cellphones claim on. Note that Dylan thinks it's suspicious when somebody's too calm (Betty Ong) and thinks it's suspicious when somebody else is rattled.
Now if we some family members of the said victims saying "He didn't act his usual self" or suggesting that their behavior was a bit off, then you might have something.
Ok...
"It sounded strange for her son to introduce himself by his full name."
Also look at the weird behavior...
"Mom? This is Mark Bingham," the voice said. It sounded strange for her son to introduce himself by his full name.
"I want to let you know that I love you. I'm on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb," he said.
"Who are these guys?" Alice Hoglan asked.
There was a pause. Hoglan heard murmurs of conversation in English. Mark's voice came back.
"You believe me, don't you?" he asked.
"Yes, Mark. I believe you. But who are these guys?"
There was a pause. Alice heard background noise. The line went dead."
Yeah, that wasn't strange.
If it was faked, wouldn't they be using a script anyway?
Why do you think the imposture used Mark's last name? Cause he was saying Mark's full name over and over in his head to remember that the imposture accidentally used his last name where he shouldn't have.
Note that Dylan thinks it's suspicious when somebody's too calm (Betty Ong) and thinks it's suspicious when somebody else is rattled.
Didn't all passengers sound calm in the recordings? When I watched A&E's Flight 93 where I think they used the actually recordings, I was amazed how calm everybody sounded except the guy locked in the bathroom with his super-reception cell phone!
I was amazed how calm everybody sounded except the guy locked in the bathroom with his super-reception cell phone!
Dammit, you are a moron.
CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES. Do you need it repeated over and over again?
CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.CELL PHONES WORK ON PLANES.
Why do you think the imposture used Mark's last name?
I like how Killtown says "alleged" in front of facts, but with things that aren't, he fails to preface with the term.
You meant to write "alleged imposture" (sic).
but why would he be saying his full name over an dover again? why would the voice actor even have to KNOW his full name? you CTers make no sense whatsoever
Also, why would the so-called imposter say something that would blow his cover like "Mom, you believe me?" or "This is Mark Bingham."
Funny how every OCT's cell phone worked on planes, but every CT's cell didn't.
Funny how every OCT has heard the phrase "pull it" used as firefighting terms before Larry said it, but every CT hadn't.
Also funny how every at the WTC scene knew the 7 was going to collapse when no other building had ever collapsed from just fire and debris damage.
Killtown.
How did the imposter get the combo to one woman's safe, and then recite it to the person on the other end, so that she could find her will??
Also, why would the so-called imposter say something that would blow his cover like "Mom, you believe me?" or "This is Mark Bingham."
Funny coming from the same people who say 9/11 couldn't be an inside job because the perps couldn't keep it a secret for long and would let the cat out of the bag!
Funny how fireman on the scene told reporters that they felt the building was going to collapse...or are you insinuating that those firemen were also part of the BIG CONSPIRACY (que the echo effect)!!!
How did the imposter get the combo to one woman's safe, and then recite it to the person on the other end, so that she could find her will??
Yes, this one is strange. Seems she really knew for sure she was going to die...
" Elsa Strong says, "She said, 'Hi, Else, this is Lin. I just wanted to tell you how much I love you.' And she said, 'Please tell Mom and Dad how much I love them.' And then she got real calm and said, 'Now my will is in my safe and my safe is in my closet. and this is the combination.' And she just told me the combination of her safe. and then she just said, 'I don't know if I'm ever going to get a chance to tell you again in person how much I love you, but I'm really going to miss you.' And she said goodbye."
I don't know, sound all scripted to you?
Default, the first two things you quoted from Killtown are by far the most braindead comments I've ever seen in my life.
When I read his post on the forums I snorted milk.
You still didn't answere my question. Whether it sounds scripted or not, how did the "script reader" know the combination to the safe???
Because it wasn't a script reader, it was the actual person, and in her head was the combination to that safe.
I always get a kick when CTers say "No other steel framed building has ever collapsed from fire." I often ask for the reference, and a list of all the steel framed buildings, through all of recorded history, that were ablase, but didn't collapse. Still haven't gotten that list yet...
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAB0001.pdf
This is a link to the official Safety Board report.
Look at the times.
933 EDT Contact Loss (accident occured)
952 CDT (That would be 1052 EDT) The F16 is within 8nm of the flight. That is 52+27=79 minutes from loss of contact to f16 within 8nm for escort....
you'll find the times on page 3 of the report
Kodiak;
That is exactly why the people here do this. That reason, and so our future generations, now very impressionable, will get to see the evidence on the matter, not just rap videos selling sound bytes of heresay and speculation.
A man who died making a difference.
And this is what the CTs don't understand. We don't do this as government shills. We don't do it for a party. We do it for our fellow countrymen. The ones who died that horrible day none of us will every forget. And for the ones yet born who will only see the images and hear the stories. I'd rather they understand what truly happened that day then this nonsense spouted by people with an agenda and the critial thinking skills of chimps.
hey I'm a Canuck, 9/11 was an American tragedy, but we felt it up north to my friend. I want my kids to grow up knowing that their dad believed in the truth backed up by the facts, not by raving lunatic heresay.
Kodiak, thanks, that was my reaction too. This is what these CT promoters will never get, is that their treatment of the heroes on Flight 93 is what has energized the anti-9-11 Denial Movement. They could have played their little games with controlled demolition and missiles into the Pentagon and I would have ignored them like I do "The End of the World is Near!" prophets. But when Dylan took on the passengers and pilots, I got angry, as did Gravy (whose work debunking these monsters stands alone).
Funny how every OCT's cell phone worked on planes, but every CT's cell didn't.
People tend to miss things that they wish not to be true.
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=675091
IEEE Review, 19 March 1998
"Surprisingly, tests have shown that mobile phones actually work very well in the air. The aircraft structure does not prevent communication with the ground-the windows may well act as a form of slotted waveguide antenna-and coverage is excellent."
Hear that, kiddies? That's the sound a toothless inbred Alabama trailer trash with a swastika flag hanging from his wall makes when you destroy his religious beliefs.
hey I'm a Canuck, 9/11 was an American tragedy,
Not quite so... When you knock over the two biggest building in the financial center of our country's biggest trading partner, it is inevitable that Canadians will die. Osama, having been educated enough to know to hit america's financial capital would have also known this.... but he didn't care.
Twenty five of our countrymen were murdered on 9-11. here in Edmonton, we lost the Edmonton Oiler who before retiring from professional play, was a mentor to a young rookie named "Gretzky".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnet_Bailey
Don't ever let anyone tell you that Canada was not attacked on 9-11.
That's it. Mark Bingham identifying himself by his full name. Never mind molten metal, free fall buildings, thermate, we now have ultimate proof that it was an inside job. Of course I don't blame CTs for being suspicious, they've got nothing else to cling on.
God, that music is excruciating commercial pap!
Next time I phone my mother and tell her my full name, I'll let you know. What a load of crap!
Hear that, kiddies? That's the sound a toothless inbred Alabama trailer trash with a swastika flag hanging from his wall makes when you destroy his religious beliefs.
A team of over 250 volunteers from Alabama including physicians, nurses, construction workers, electrical engineers,and fireman among others were at Ground Zero in the early morning of 9/12 to help and assist in whatever capacity needed. I know many of those people and they do not live in trailer parks, have any missing teeth or are known to support Nazi's. Stereotyping only shows your ignorance.
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