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68 Comments:

At 13 August, 2006 22:56, Blogger shawn said...

Hey look, even Chomsky agrees with us.

Guess he's just part of the massive Zionist globalist conspiracy. His entire career (well, if one can call it that) and writings have all been a front so he could defend the government when they finally enacted their Final Plan.

 
At 14 August, 2006 04:27, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

Funny thing is - the super-kewl CT creators would've no doubt been avowed Chomskybots had they actually been accepted to a film school.

Or perhaps Chomsky doesn't want to be upstaged in the anti-Bush/America fauxmovement, and he's towing the "who you gonna believe - Ivory-tower god or film school rejects?" line. Kind of like a Democrat primary, without the fangs and nails.

Have to say that Chmosky can certainly make what resembles sense when he tries to. The problem is that he never tries to make sense, since leftism doesn't require one to think.

Lo, the irony.

 
At 14 August, 2006 04:35, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

It's sad that this issue has become a left/right thing in so many peoples eyes.
The CT gang membership is comprised of whackadoodles of all hues - Nazis, right wing Islamicists, far-left loony tunes...

It's blatantly obvious it's a clever/stupid thing.

 
At 14 August, 2006 04:54, Blogger Murdervillage said...

leftism doesn't require one to think.

And what political philosophy supports thoughtless comments like that?

 
At 14 August, 2006 04:56, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

Sorry - the LC creators, not the CTers. Different things.

Cass - What's the big deal about the political affiliations of people who peddle conspiracy theroies?

It matters, and is an elephant in the room (for many on the left). The difference in this instance between the left/right is that a) the right wing has no investment or any part of the 9-11 denial movement, and b) the kooks on the right wing aren't "going mainstream." For example - almost 40% of Americans (by some polls' esimations) at least find the LC bullsh*t plausible, and many believe it.

Given that LC is a fabricated lie that is on its way to the ashheap of history, I think it can be construed from these kinds of polls which political party has more dupes and CT-consuming lunatics in its ranks. Propagandists, like Michael Moore, for example, are given positions of stature and admiration within the "truth to power" crowd, and that crowd also resides on the left side of the isle.

You can't avoid it. These LC fools are the creations and bastard children that decades of unchecked radicalism and post-modern deconstructionism hath wrought, and it isn't the GOP that they're threatening to destroy.

 
At 14 August, 2006 04:57, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

And what political philosophy supports thoughtless comments like that?

No political philosophy. It is common sense.

 
At 14 August, 2006 05:08, Blogger Kodiak said...

I just want to point out to the good lieutenant that while the right wing isn't pushing this PARTICULAR brand of crazy that they have a brand of crazy all their own called "creationism" that is getting more and more mainstream, and that is just as wrong and potentially even more harmful than 9/11 denial.

9/11 denail tangetially supports the terrorists who want to kill people. Creationism actively suppresses scientific progress and is complicit in denying medical aid and progress.

So choose your poison, but there are nuts everywhere... don't think that it's one side or the other, it's just that the flavour changes.

 
At 14 August, 2006 05:17, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

"9/11 denail tangetially supports the terrorists who want to kill people. Creationism actively suppresses scientific progress and is complicit in denying medical aid and progress."

So - tangentially supporting the media and propaganda aims of terrorist murderers is less important than the questioning of a controversial scientific theory in a small number of US classrooms and a large number of US homes?

Forgive me, but I'm not convinced.

Any data to suggest that creationism is becoming the norm in science classrooms? That bio classes are throwing out textbooks and are replacing them with Bibles? Didn't think so.

Trying to find "right-winger" nuts to compare these LC disciples to is merely an attempt to divert away from the political affiliations and motivations of the creators and purveyors of the LC "movement."

Who do you think the LCers want to win in November? Answer that, and there's the political party they're attempting to use (hijack) to tell you what to do should the obtain power.

 
At 14 August, 2006 06:12, Blogger Manny said...

Guess he's just part of the massive Zionist globalist conspiracy. His entire career (well, if one can call it that) and writings have all been a front so he could defend the government when they finally enacted their Final Plan.

Believe it or not, there is a school of, well, thought is too kind of a word, but a school of something which maintains exactly that. The idea is that people like Chomsky (Amy Goodman is another person prominantly mentioned) are "gatekeepers," people who let out just enough of the "truth" to make it look like there's real debate but who in fact are working for the elites to keep the whole story, whatever that is, from the people or sheeple or whatever we're called these days.

 
At 14 August, 2006 06:37, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

David Manning White didn't know just how prescient his "gatekeeping" research was - we are just now starting to see on a mass level the TV and print media sausage factories unravelling - only partially, at that.

Fortunately for the masses, the 'gates' of information have been basically blown off with the proliferation of the Internet and the keepers aren't as influential or as nearly as powerful as they see themselves.

 
At 14 August, 2006 08:55, Blogger Pepik said...

good lieutenant:

The debunking movement is non partisan. Why encourage a split with pointless partisan insults?

Do you honestly think Alex Jones is left? You obviously want the CT movement to be left, so you look for evidence to support your bias. But in my experience the CT movement is just as much the loony anti-globalist right wing.

 
At 14 August, 2006 10:58, Blogger CHF said...

I often find Chomsky's views a little too far out in Left field for my liking but at least the man uses facts (most of the time) and has the ability think somewhat rationally.

 
At 14 August, 2006 12:07, Blogger MarkyX said...

Back on LIttle Green Footballs a few years back, Dylan Avery posted how Chomsky was his hero.

Ouch.

 
At 14 August, 2006 13:39, Blogger CHF said...

Ouch indeed!

This is truly a moment to savour.

Just think...

This VERY MINUTE, thousands of rebellious kids are in their parents' basements tearing up their Chomsky collections in a blind fury...writing suicide notes covered in tears...

"All this time I thought you cared for the tooth, Noam. I thought you were in my corner giving me support to carry on the fight against the fascists who for some reason make no effort at silencing us. But all along you were just another agent for THEM! (the Illuminati/CIA/Jews). You just couldn't let your imagination flow, could you? You just have to have some 'facts' and 'proof' before believing in an incoherent story that doesn't even make sense! Whose political/historical views am I supposed to parrot now, huh??? I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!!!"

 
At 14 August, 2006 14:08, Blogger Dog Town said...

Chf,
I love the comments!
It is quite fascinating.
Noam better unlist his number and E-mail, I see lots of childish threats come'n his way.
Sucks telling the truth!

 
At 14 August, 2006 15:35, Blogger debunking911 said...

I told you guys, the only libs who believe this crap are a small % of liberal sheeple.

 
At 14 August, 2006 18:23, Blogger shawn said...

I told you guys, the only libs who believe this crap are a small % of liberal sheeple.

They're not even liberals. They're members of the far Left who have donned the once noble title in an attempt to make themselves seem normal.

 
At 14 August, 2006 18:24, Blogger shawn said...

I often find Chomsky's views a little too far out in Left field for my liking but at least the man uses facts (most of the time) and has the ability think somewhat rationally.

You're giving the man far too much credit.

 
At 14 August, 2006 19:21, Blogger nesNYC said...

Chomsky = damage control for "Israel."

 
At 14 August, 2006 19:47, Blogger shawn said...

Chomsky = damage control for "Israel."

...right, one of the foremost critics of Israel is damage control for the nation. The guy who wanted the dissolution of the state for a binational state, which would have quite an Arab majortiy. (Putting scare quotes around an actual country is by far the stupidest thing you've done, and that's saying a lot. Hey, look - there's that so-called "China".)

Nesnyc, why do you continue to pull these gems out of your ass? It might be nice if you were read on at least one subject before you commented on it.

 
At 14 August, 2006 20:42, Blogger shawn said...

Oh just realized why nesnyc said that. Chomsky's a Jew.

Guess you can't use your "Zionist" defense now.

 
At 14 August, 2006 20:45, Blogger CHF said...

Shawn,

my point is that Chomsky will usually base his beliefs on actual events, unlike the CTers. Nesnyc, for example, thinks Chomsky is a defender of Israel. This was simply pulled out of his ass and isn't based on anything in this world.

Chomsky, meanwhile, will often reach weird conclusions but he'll rarely conjure of an opinion out of absolutely nothing.

"US policy in Europe, as demonstrated by the 1982 CIA-backed military coup in Sweden...."

 
At 14 August, 2006 21:13, Blogger shawn said...

Chomsky, meanwhile, will often reach weird conclusions but he'll rarely conjure of an opinion out of absolutely nothing.

Oh, yes he does extrapolate from actual events. He just makes ridiculous claims like the Soviet Union was fighting for freedom of Eastern Europe and the United States was to kill millions in Afghanistan. Oh, and no genocide occurred in Cambodia.

 
At 14 August, 2006 22:46, Blogger James B. said...

Little known fact, Chomsky is also a cousin of Michael Chertoff...

 
At 15 August, 2006 12:06, Blogger Alex said...

Sorry LT but you're off base on this one. Being unable to think is hardly limited to the left. There are plenty of people on the right side of the political spectrum who are just as unable to understand simple logic. For the most part, these types of conspiracy theories are the work of extremists. Keep in mind that the KKK, and many other holocaust deniers, are in fact technicaly right wing for the most part, even though they get quoted rather often by far-left whackos like our very own insync. The fact that more people on the left side of the spectrum can beleive that the 9/11 CT's are "plausable" is mainly due to their political leaning. If there were a CT which made the democrats look bad you can bet your ass that there would be more people on the right would say it's "plausable" than there would be on the left.

 
At 15 August, 2006 14:27, Blogger AbrashTX said...

9-11 Denial is where the extreme far left and the extreme far right have gone so far out that they end up meeting each other. Both extremes are a minority within their respective wings.

A small percentage of the population, regardless of political orientation, cannot or will not use the usual filtering mechanisms like Occam's Razor, and are prone to falling for conspiracism in varying degrees.

 
At 15 August, 2006 22:51, Blogger shawn said...

A small percentage of the population...cannot or will not use the usual filtering mechanisms like Occam's Razor

I'd put money on a majority of Americans thinking Occam's Razor is some new Gillette product.

 
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At 25 September, 2006 07:01, Blogger Shlomo Muslim Ph.D. said...

Here's what Chomsky said in "Power and Terror: Post-9/11 Talks and Interviews" ---

http://the-muslim-question.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-i-read-during-my-summer-vacation.html

 
At 29 September, 2006 19:01, Blogger Regis R. said...

Most of you are wrong on the political leanings of the conspiracy nut crowd. But I've stoped getting angry over it becaue a lot of people on the left think that the CT nuts are fellow leftists. This is understandable, however. I mean, by its very nature, alternate explenations of 9/11 (in case you haven't noticed they hate the term "conspiracy theorist") are inherentley anti-Bush, but but the few who comprise the CT crowd who are on the left would have to admit that a plot of this size would have taken so long to plan that Clinton would have to have been involved as well. I will be putting a long post on my blog soon concerning right-wing conspiracy nuts, but I don't have time to cover the subject here. When you look at the facts you will quickly find that most CTists are not on the left. I only know of a few on the left who buy into this BS but they are not big players in the liberal-left movement and they are definately not big players in the CT movement (a few examples are Peter Werbe and Mike Malloy). It should also be noted that (especially on the fifth anniversary of the event) many on the left are commenting on the rediculousness of these theories. Alexander Cockburn (who is actually to the left of me and I'm pretty far to the left) has done two columns for The Nation about conspiracy nuts (by the way I can't think of anyone at The Nation who buys into CT BS). The editor of The Progressive, Matthew Rothchild, did a blog post about the subject. As you have just seen Noam Chomsky doesn't believe in them. The list goes on and on. The thing is all of these people I have just mentioned (Cockburn, Rothchild, and Chomsky) refer to CTists as being on "the left." But consider for a second that if there are all these people on the left saying that 9/11 CTs are crap and call the people who believe in them as being left-wing then...well...how does that figure.

 
At 29 September, 2006 19:02, Blogger Regis R. said...

Oh...

PS: Michael Moore also doesn't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 
At 03 October, 2006 14:55, Blogger Rob Anderson said...

Chomsky makes sense on most things, if you take the time to actually read him.

 
At 23 October, 2006 03:41, Blogger ParsonsBen said...

I disagree with the notion that the 9/11 conspiracy theories come from the left.

If you look at the origins of these ideas, they are primarily of the far right, libertarian variety.

Alex Jones for example, is a traditional right wing conservative (not to be confused with a neo conservative)

The same people who throughout the 90s believed that Oklahoma bombing and Waco were massive government conspiracies are the same ones who levelled the initial charges against the Bush administration.

It is to be noted that certain groups have since latched onto the idea.

The intellectual elites on the left have recognized that the 9/11 conspiracy, regardless of its factual validity, is a useful tool against the current power structure. Complex insinuations by the intellectual elite in the west have led now a large portion of the body politic to believe (either publically or privately) these theories.

Typically, throughout history and across the contemporary political world, grandiose conspiracies exist in environments where lack of information exists, and the public becomes starved for context when consuming complex events.

The nature of the response by the government subsequent to the terrorist attacks in the United States led to such an environment.

Serious observers will notice that the 9/11 theories never really gained traction until after the Iraq war turned for the worse. The public felt betrayed and looked backwards for simple answers to problems most people cannot possibly comprehend.

 
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